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Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 02 2015 03:52 GMT
#1681
OK I guess I'll go read batsnacks instead of Lazermonkey or Vivax. I remember catching that marv said Lazermonkey was a background type player which means I'd have to read all his messages in context of the thread which means reading dozens of pages I ain't got time to read, so forget that. I remember not thinking much of Vivax either way so I'll just wait on that too.
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 02 2015 03:53 GMT
#1682
On January 02 2015 12:48 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
We dont need to switch to bats in an hour when no one is here to talk about it. Whats wrong with geript now?

He just feels genuine. It's making me uncomfortable. I'd have expected him to either give up or fiercely fight for survival if he were scum. But he's not really doing either of those things.

On January 02 2015 12:49 Eden1892 wrote:
Something about claiming you were "too emotionally invested for my own health" seems... out of bounds, you know?

Hm, you're kind of right. I can see BlazingHand pulling that, but it's a bit more difficult to see a newbie who hasn't played a game in 6 months pull that off. However, I'd argue that even if you're scum you can feel too emotionally invested at some point. I know I've felt that way.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 02 2015 03:54 GMT
#1683
On January 02 2015 12:52 justanothertownie wrote:
Artanis:
FFL2 batsnacks mafia
Carol of the Bells batsnacks town

Ugh it's 5am I don't want to do this ;_;
I'm just going to skim through it and hope the differences are clear enough.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 02 2015 03:55 GMT
#1684
Because I think chyz and geript are better lynches? I havent read bats filter all the way thru, I'd prefer not to have a last second vote swing. I'm leaving for.dinner soon but bats is definitely a player i want to look.into more on my own later
RIP Aaliyah
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 02 2015 03:55 GMT
#1685
Is there a current vote count? I'd like to get off a good lynch but I don't think Chyz is it.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
January 02 2015 03:58 GMT
#1686
ANyone want to ask me anything or...?
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 02 2015 03:58 GMT
#1687
On January 02 2015 12:58 batsnacks wrote:
ANyone want to ask me anything or...?

Are you mafia?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16316 Posts
January 02 2015 03:59 GMT
#1688
On January 02 2015 12:58 batsnacks wrote:
ANyone want to ask me anything or...?

No. Would prefer you doing things on your own.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16316 Posts
January 02 2015 03:59 GMT
#1689
On January 02 2015 12:55 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Because I think chyz and geript are better lynches? I havent read bats filter all the way thru, I'd prefer not to have a last second vote swing. I'm leaving for.dinner soon but bats is definitely a player i want to look.into more on my own later

His filter isn't long.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
January 02 2015 04:01 GMT
#1690
On January 02 2015 12:58 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 02 2015 12:58 batsnacks wrote:
ANyone want to ask me anything or...?

Are you mafia?


I wish.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16316 Posts
January 02 2015 04:04 GMT
#1691
Let's see what happens.

##Unvote
##Vote: batsnacks
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
January 02 2015 04:04 GMT
#1692
jat I already said I'd play.

Why am I mafia?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16316 Posts
January 02 2015 04:05 GMT
#1693
Because this is not your townplay.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
January 02 2015 04:06 GMT
#1694
On January 02 2015 13:05 justanothertownie wrote:
Because this is not your townplay.


Can you think of something that we can actually have a conversation about?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16316 Posts
January 02 2015 04:06 GMT
#1695
Sure, you choose.
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16316 Posts
January 02 2015 04:07 GMT
#1696
Maybe start with giving some reads with reasoning.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 02 2015 04:07 GMT
#1697
Meh, I don't see the big difference between the filters that you described. In Carol he mentions HTS a lot but only quotes him once. Bats doesn't seem to be that inquisitive to me, mostly engaging his null reads rather than town or scumreads. Bats looked more like a cheerleader when he played scum whereas this game he's coming up with his own thoughts.
Eden1892
Profile Joined March 2014
United States5866 Posts
January 02 2015 04:08 GMT
#1698
Maybe there's something here.

On January 01 2015 06:13 batsnacks wrote:
I think robik is mafia. Here is my lame meta read:

Town robik is usually enthusiastic about playing at the start of games and is quick to form reads and call people out.

He's usually really loud about the fact that he's town (as both alignments) and says it over and over again "I'm town you suck." He did that a little bit this game.

Scum robik, i.e. Robik in this game, is obviously in the thread and is responding when his name gets called, but he lacks reads and is not passionate about solving people's alignments. He is only passionate about talking about him.

And this scummy too:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 05:59 IAmRobik wrote:
I kinda wanna lynch TheChyz to see if DrH is right


##vote: IAmRobik

This post is strange, because he says that Robik is deviating from both his normal town and normal mafia behavior, and thus that makes him mafia. I guess the argument is that there's greater deviation from his normal town game than from his normal mafia game, but batsnacks, in making a self-professed "lame meta read," expressly notes that Robik is deviating from both of his normal games. This bothers me because it doesn't match my thought process if I'm in batsnacks' shoes:
1. If someone is deviating from both their normal town game and normal mafia game, my first thought is that there must be extenuating circumstances responsible for the deviation. Deliberate change in play style, extended absence due to work, or a holiday, like, say, Iunno, New Year's Eve... these would be where I'd look for explanations, not "Robik is mafia."
2. Perhaps more telling, but if I find myself deciding my read on someone is lame, I don't bring it up and I certainly don't put my vote down for them. I keep looking.

Tellingly, he never pushes the Robik lynch and never really brings it up in subsequent posts.

batsnacks then later proposes that Chyz might have been milking his Koshi read for town credit, ignoring the fact that Chyz's read on Koshi changed in the two instances batsnacks cites to support it. This "contribution" is senseless to me.

On January 01 2015 06:44 batsnacks wrote:
Mr DrH what do you think about this:

First TheChyz posts this:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 01:58 TheChyz wrote:
I don't like how koshi entered the thread. But afterwards he makes a decent defense of me and seems to be able to make a coherent read on me. I don't see a point to defend me as scum so early on with little votes and as such that leans town to me.

I don't see where people are getting this geript thing. If someone can enlighten me but I liked his intros into the thread, nothing amazing but better than the other fluff people were posting. Later on he has seem to slacked off a bit but other than not seeming to scum hunt as much as I'm used he doesn't seem scummy. null for me. Maybe you guys know him better than I and have a bad feeling but I don't see anything conclusive.

I don't like lazer atm. He hasn't really done any scum hunting this game and is rehashing old stuff and using it again. The read on robik is w/e. Robik has done nothing except "activity" posts so obv that doesn't look good as town. However him making a read on those 2 robik posts and having nothing on anybody else apart from me doesn't sit right. His case on me can be thought of both ways and as such is pointless. Basically his reasoning is if I was scum and was asked to push my thoughts I would. But the same case can be made of me as town. I don't like his play atm and want more from him.
##Vote: Lazermonkey


And he earned town points for it:

Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 02:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I kinda like how paranoid Chyz is being.

Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 02:03 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Like, everyone's jumping down on his throat and he starts his post with "I don't like how Koshi entered the thread" which is pretty much the only person that really defended him.


Then later he posts this:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.

And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.


And gets more town points:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 04:00 Eden1892 wrote:
On January 01 2015 03:52 TheChyz wrote:
I'm having some trouble with koshi after thinking it some. Basically once koshi started defending me, thats mostly all that koshi has contributed to the thread. Just talks about me being town and dr.H being wrong in his read. Like the first time seeing it it felt fine but the longer this game goes, that is all that koshi has been really on. Nothing much else apart from saying "this person is fine, these people are on my scum list, etc". I haven't really felt like I have gotten anything from koshi.

And his read on me just seems to good to not have a decent enough read on somebody else. Again I don't get why a scum would poke their head out this early to defend a lynch that doesn't have traction yet but the longer he does it the more it seems like koshi just knows im town but hasn't added too much to the thread other than that. Just seems suspicious to me.

I really like this post for town. You know the old tell about forgiving your attacker that mafia tend to do, because they know the person attacking them is right and they would rather defuse the threat with kindness and cordiality instead of trying to engage someone they know is right?

It's the opposite here. I feel like attacking your forgiver is a good town tell. Mafia don't turn around and get after people who are defending them, and doubly so if they're actually under some significant suspicion. Mafia do numbers-crunching and try to see how many people they can keep on their side and don't try to attack people defending them to gain town credit. It just doesn't make sense.

I feel better about Chyz for this post




Do you think TheChyz is intentionally rehashing the koshi read to gain town points?


He never actually does anything with this, either. Not only is the question fundamentally flawed, it doesn't seem to be going anywhere, and he isn't really doing anything with it. He talks some more about it but again, it doesn't really get to the conclusion "lynch Chyz" or anything. Even if batsnacks didn't horribly misinterpret what Chyz said, this wouldn't be the tenth most incriminating case on Chyz in this thread even if we took out the cases DoctorHelvetica made.

The last page of batsnacks' filter seems similarly unproductive and unhelpful. A "fuck you Chyz" and a vote, presumably for self-voting, which, as I've already argued, probably shouldn't be there because Chyz seems town. Some random mechanics/roles stuff that doesn't really matter. A couple of general "is anybody there?" type questions and, notably, no real effort to push the Lazermonkey read he was so hard on earlier.

I don't get the sense this guy cares about who we kill. Maybe it's time we make him care.

##UNVOTE: geript
##VOTE: batsnacks
“I like to see myself as the swim instructor that trows kids in the pool shouting at them they should try to not drink too much water.” - Koshi
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
January 02 2015 04:08 GMT
#1699
I kount vot


ritoky (1): DoctorHelvetica, sicklucker, marvellosity, Superbia
TheChyz (5): Eden1892, DoctorHelvetica, Vivax, TheChyz, Batsnacks, DoctorHelvetica, Artanis[Xp]
DoctorHelvetica (0): TheChyz, Koshi
geript (7): Koshi, Artanis[Xp], Palmar, Artanis[XP], Lazermonkey, DoctorHelvetica, Marvellosity, KelsierSC, justanothertownie, KelsierSC, sicklucker, Eden1892
marvellosity (0): Artanis[Xp]
Lazermonkey (0): TheChyz, Batsnacks
IAmRobik (0): Artanis[XP]
sicklucker (1): ritoky
Vivax (1): Koshi
Batsnacks (1): Justanothertownie

Not Voting: folks

Currently geript is set to be lynched.

until deadline.

ModeratorINFLATE YOUR POST COUNT; PLAY TL MAFIA
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
January 02 2015 04:08 GMT
#1700
That's not what I said. I said can -you- think of something that -we- can actually have a conversation about?

You're the one voting me. Can't you give me something I can actually respond to other than "this isn't your town play"?
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