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On January 02 2015 11:28 Koshi wrote:
Batsnacks might be town as well. He is batsnacks insane. This is not sure. I am sleep depraved atm
Where do you get that from? batsnacks has literally done nothing besides defending chyz. Not stepped on anyones toes.
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TheChyz seems very impulsive, going for gut feelings and ill-thought out ideas for the most part, then suddenly comes back in with a very new and much more level headed attitude which shifts after only a few posts into anger. Then starts thinking pretty rationally again about half an hour later. He then gets angry at Lazer for claiming to tunnel on Chyz, which I find odd. Why would it make you mad that someone felt he pushed too hard on you, even if he didn't? It seems very opportunistic.
In Cultured, Chyz seems a lot more upbeat, though he's also defensive about some flaws he's made in the start. The tone is very different even though people also want to hang him. + Show Spoiler +On March 08 2014 05:08 TheChyz wrote:Ok after a night rest I got to thinking and imo I still think Wave is the most likely to be scum. The scum really didn't have to do much other than have a decent day 1/night 1. After that it was just easy sailing so I don't actually think scum really had much to do apart from push the lynches of the "list". As such wave is the one that keeps bringing up to lynch by the list the most imo and as such that is mostly why I think he is scum. That is who I would vote for, but since I'm going to work atm and won't be back till around deadline (my 15 is roughly near break) I'll keep my vote on no lynch (don't wanna get modkilled to help town since thats cheating). I'm just gonna leave saying this last word. Nothing on concrete has really been put on me. The only thing that people keep rehashing is just the non vote on suki day 1. That argument alone is so weak but it seems the only thing you guys are doing is thinking each of you is confirmed town so the only one with a small question mark is going to get lynched. "Follow the list", pretty good plan scum, keeps you alive all game long. What seems more likely, a noobie's second game (being town last game) having nothing scummy except for some overblown vote argument thats super wishy-wash (similar to my town game) or a veteran scum being able to hide under voting in a list? Anyways, gg guys. Was fun  (and HELLA stressful  )
That said, there's a difference between getting lynched on D1 when you're being tunneled throughout the whole day and getting lynched and during LYLO after a long, but seemingly fair battle. I still think there's a discrepancy, and a few points that you've made resonated with me, but I'm not as sure about it as you are.
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On January 02 2015 11:21 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 11:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 02 2015 11:03 geript wrote:On January 02 2015 10:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 02 2015 10:29 geript wrote:
Artanis. You make me sad. You made me sad by either rolling mafia or playing this poorly as town  Not having the drive to post and reread 80 times like I normally do isn't playing poorly. I'm sheeping a good wagon. I've been the focus of attention for most of 2 days now at least part of which is due to the fact that vets "caught" me early and the fact that the day has stagnated due to NYE. Like, I don't feel like putting in 48 hours of work in this type of situation. Especially when a cop is probably going to red check me tomorrow. That's a really bad situation for town. You gotta look at it from my side too. Sometimes it's best to bite the bullet to let town move the fuck on. If you think sacrificing yourself is a better play than proving you're town through good play then I don't think anything I say will help. What I expected from you was some form of direction, but I find it extremely lacking in your posts. To me, the most damning point is having 4 suspects within one hour, and asking none any questions or pressing them for anything (other than calling Marv 100% scum) If you post good gifs I might still lynch someone else though. On January 02 2015 11:05 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 11:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 02 2015 10:55 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 10:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Vivax: Concrete things I didn't like about Geript. -Holding back information until questioned (read reasons on Dr.H, read reasons on Koshi) -Laying out lines and never getting back to them (questioned me on what I thought of sl/eden/kels, never got back to me when I expanded upon it, so I pulled him back on it and it felt like he didn't have much thought behind it) -Doesn't care about getting lynched + Show Spoiler +On January 01 2015 05:44 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 05:42 IAmRobik wrote:
Have we decided which non-robik/non-marv/non-drh person we're lynching? Lots of people seem to think that I'm the lynch. Kinda scary because I doubt many people will actually ahve read the thread by the end of the day or half of it and most of the vets seem to be on that train. But meh. I really dgaf about that. People are just historically bad at reading me correctly. -A large part of his filter is just.. not saying anything. I mean scroll through it, put up a notepad and fill in what you've learned. -Throws suspicion in every which way but doesn't pursue anything. + Show Spoiler [examples] +On January 02 2015 04:23 geript wrote:
First off, I'm really surprised that more people don't want to lynch Robik. New Years has fucked with us all I imagine in addition to the surprise start, but Town!Robik tends to play quite differently. He's aggressive; he bounces all over the place. He makes huge sweeping townreads that are the craziest shit I've ever seen. He's really passive. Nothing "turns his wheel" so to speak. Usually he'd be on something like a dog in heat by now. That's my first read. On January 02 2015 04:48 geript wrote:
In looking at some of Lazer's past games, he's probably an ok lynch. Marv is right on that he's pretty much a background player. On January 02 2015 04:54 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 04:53 Eden1892 wrote:
I mean, he's on track for a >10pg filter by the end of day 1 and the most prominent memories I have of him are obnoxiously pushy questions that don't have a clear endgame and asking the cool kids what to think. Seems like he's said a lot so far in terms of post count but a little in terms of actual value. This is out of place in where I am int he thread. But I'm pretty sure that this is kinda exactly why I've been called scum this game. At least in part. Pretty odd that Eden defines that as my scumplay. The other thing about Eden that's been bugging me is that specific weird heuristics get dropped from the scene for no reason. Usually when town goes ham, they go ham. But there's a specific level of crazy but not too crazy that makes me think that Eden is probably a pretty good lynch as well. On January 02 2015 05:32 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 05:27 marvellosity wrote:
don't like this list:
people i don't want to lynch for some reason:
1; Koshi
4; Artanis[XP]
6; Marvellosity
7; justanothertownie
8; IAmRobik
10; Palmar
11; Damdred
15; KelsierSC
17; DoctorHelvetica
18; Eden1892
Hmm? arbitrarily feels like a 1/2 deal. Nothing to back this up:
5; Lazermonkey
9; TheChyz
Wat r u doing
2; GlowingBear
14; Vivax
19; RebirthOfLeGenD
20; Superbia
Some PoE title:
3; Geript
12; batsnacks
13; sicklucker
16; ritoky
I take no responsibility if this does or does not contradict something I said previously. Just making this list makes me think I should look at sl though, he could be mafia. Normally I remember him when I read stuff.
I don't like this list at all Marv. Back to scumpile. 4 different scumreads within the timeframe of an hour. Doesn't really follow up on anything but Marv, of which he just nitpicks the list and talks about fear lynching. -Excuses - Has a 6 page filter, yet talks about how he's busy. + Show Spoiler +On January 02 2015 06:03 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 05:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 02 2015 05:57 Palmar wrote:On January 02 2015 05:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Palmar, do you still believe Geript to be the best lynch today? Yes. One thing that particularly stands out to me is that I'm sort of in the driver's seat on this lynch, and geript hasn't even mentioned or addressed me at all. Like all he has to do is change my mind, but for some reason he's shying away from any interaction with me. Well, you haven't been around until recently so that's a reasonable consideration. It's weird that he hasn't really defended the main points against him or really push anyone. Just calls Lazer an "ok lynch", calls Eden a "pretty good lynch", decides Marv is scum again yet he seems to have no interest in actively not getting lynched. It's really weird because no matter his alignment he shouldn't want to get lynched. I don't want to get lynched but I'm busy. Plus, I don't think people are going to listen to what I have to say whatsoever unless I get lynched. Granted most people will likely forget it and some people will likely just dismiss it. But just promise me to look back at my list and think about it. I'll try to be back later to explain things in more detail. But I still haven't had a shower or anything to eat or drink yet today and I have a shitton of stuff to do and I really want to play league. That's pretty much it. I'm still going to look into the filters of Chyz and Vivax to see if they're better lynches and make up my mind. Also have a look at batsnacks. But no one's even voted batsnacks yet, I'll look into him D2. On January 02 2015 10:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Artanis, do me a favor and scan thru his filter from his last game...should make it v apparent I take it you're referring to your enfant terrible? Will do. Thats not an excuse. What difference is there between one vote on Vivax and 0 on batsnacks? There are still 3 hours until deadline and I might push for a batsnacks lynch. Two votes on Vivax. If you make a good case I'll look into it but I'm already doing more reading than I was planning at 3am. Artanis, there's really not any more direction that I could post than I've already posted. You guys have been all like "OMG his stuff is so shit." People say that shit all the time when I'm town. I also tend to find the right answer in ways that other people don't. I look at games entirely differently than most here. All of what's happening is that my posts are being buried in my filter by me trying to explain this shit to you guys. You don't see Marv around actually caring who gets lynched or why. Why is he so focused on a town? Why has his game been exceptionally different from his town play? Why doesn't he want to lynch Robik? Why is Robik so nothing like the usual townplay I've seen? Why is GB changing his mind in 5 minutes when nothing of note in the thread has changed? Why is Vivax someone that most people are "considering" but few people have any actual drive to consider the situation? I don't feel like being tunneled for 3 more days which if I don't get lynched is my expected lifespan in this game. I've told you who I think is off and why. You might not understand it. But I don't think I can explain it better. Marv isn't town!Marv. Vivax has a decent shot of flipping scum. GB, idk. I've always had a hard time reading him and I don't think he's a great player. Chyz is town. DrH is maybe town but if he is then he's a large detriment to the game. Palmer is town. Damdred is town. Koshi is almost assuredly town (not because he doesn't want to kill me). You're town. I think sicklucker is probably town his play looks more similar to his townplay to me and when I reread him again I think he's getting a bad rap because people aren't looking at the towny hints. Kelsier is a tough read. But as scum he tends to be active and do things even when the thread's not moving or changing direction. He's alot like me in that he likes to think ahead a bit I think. I don't really see that in his filter. So he's probably town. JAT is town. Just trust me on this <3.
You didn't post a gif
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On January 02 2015 11:28 Koshi wrote:
Batsnacks might be town as well. He is batsnacks insane. This is not sure. I am sleep depraved atm
Koshi I don't want to unvote thechyz. He self voted and left the thread. If he's mafia and I don't vote him it will piss me off.
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I have seen scum martyr and self vote and ragequit in many different ways. Wifom, meaningless. Youre saying he has to be town because he martyred? His actions up to that point are scummy too.
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On January 02 2015 11:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 11:21 geript wrote:On January 02 2015 11:10 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 02 2015 11:03 geript wrote:On January 02 2015 10:31 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 02 2015 10:29 geript wrote:
Artanis. You make me sad. You made me sad by either rolling mafia or playing this poorly as town Not having the drive to post and reread 80 times like I normally do isn't playing poorly. I'm sheeping a good wagon. I've been the focus of attention for most of 2 days now at least part of which is due to the fact that vets "caught" me early and the fact that the day has stagnated due to NYE. Like, I don't feel like putting in 48 hours of work in this type of situation. Especially when a cop is probably going to red check me tomorrow. That's a really bad situation for town. You gotta look at it from my side too. Sometimes it's best to bite the bullet to let town move the fuck on. If you think sacrificing yourself is a better play than proving you're town through good play then I don't think anything I say will help. What I expected from you was some form of direction, but I find it extremely lacking in your posts. To me, the most damning point is having 4 suspects within one hour, and asking none any questions or pressing them for anything (other than calling Marv 100% scum) If you post good gifs I might still lynch someone else though. On January 02 2015 11:05 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 11:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 02 2015 10:55 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 10:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Vivax: Concrete things I didn't like about Geript. -Holding back information until questioned (read reasons on Dr.H, read reasons on Koshi) -Laying out lines and never getting back to them (questioned me on what I thought of sl/eden/kels, never got back to me when I expanded upon it, so I pulled him back on it and it felt like he didn't have much thought behind it) -Doesn't care about getting lynched + Show Spoiler +On January 01 2015 05:44 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 05:42 IAmRobik wrote:
Have we decided which non-robik/non-marv/non-drh person we're lynching? Lots of people seem to think that I'm the lynch. Kinda scary because I doubt many people will actually ahve read the thread by the end of the day or half of it and most of the vets seem to be on that train. But meh. I really dgaf about that. People are just historically bad at reading me correctly. -A large part of his filter is just.. not saying anything. I mean scroll through it, put up a notepad and fill in what you've learned. -Throws suspicion in every which way but doesn't pursue anything. + Show Spoiler [examples] +On January 02 2015 04:23 geript wrote:
First off, I'm really surprised that more people don't want to lynch Robik. New Years has fucked with us all I imagine in addition to the surprise start, but Town!Robik tends to play quite differently. He's aggressive; he bounces all over the place. He makes huge sweeping townreads that are the craziest shit I've ever seen. He's really passive. Nothing "turns his wheel" so to speak. Usually he'd be on something like a dog in heat by now. That's my first read. On January 02 2015 04:48 geript wrote:
In looking at some of Lazer's past games, he's probably an ok lynch. Marv is right on that he's pretty much a background player. On January 02 2015 04:54 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 04:53 Eden1892 wrote:
I mean, he's on track for a >10pg filter by the end of day 1 and the most prominent memories I have of him are obnoxiously pushy questions that don't have a clear endgame and asking the cool kids what to think. Seems like he's said a lot so far in terms of post count but a little in terms of actual value. This is out of place in where I am int he thread. But I'm pretty sure that this is kinda exactly why I've been called scum this game. At least in part. Pretty odd that Eden defines that as my scumplay. The other thing about Eden that's been bugging me is that specific weird heuristics get dropped from the scene for no reason. Usually when town goes ham, they go ham. But there's a specific level of crazy but not too crazy that makes me think that Eden is probably a pretty good lynch as well. On January 02 2015 05:32 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 05:27 marvellosity wrote:
don't like this list:
people i don't want to lynch for some reason:
1; Koshi
4; Artanis[XP]
6; Marvellosity
7; justanothertownie
8; IAmRobik
10; Palmar
11; Damdred
15; KelsierSC
17; DoctorHelvetica
18; Eden1892
Hmm? arbitrarily feels like a 1/2 deal. Nothing to back this up:
5; Lazermonkey
9; TheChyz
Wat r u doing
2; GlowingBear
14; Vivax
19; RebirthOfLeGenD
20; Superbia
Some PoE title:
3; Geript
12; batsnacks
13; sicklucker
16; ritoky
I take no responsibility if this does or does not contradict something I said previously. Just making this list makes me think I should look at sl though, he could be mafia. Normally I remember him when I read stuff.
I don't like this list at all Marv. Back to scumpile. 4 different scumreads within the timeframe of an hour. Doesn't really follow up on anything but Marv, of which he just nitpicks the list and talks about fear lynching. -Excuses - Has a 6 page filter, yet talks about how he's busy. + Show Spoiler +On January 02 2015 06:03 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 05:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:On January 02 2015 05:57 Palmar wrote:On January 02 2015 05:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Palmar, do you still believe Geript to be the best lynch today? Yes. One thing that particularly stands out to me is that I'm sort of in the driver's seat on this lynch, and geript hasn't even mentioned or addressed me at all. Like all he has to do is change my mind, but for some reason he's shying away from any interaction with me. Well, you haven't been around until recently so that's a reasonable consideration. It's weird that he hasn't really defended the main points against him or really push anyone. Just calls Lazer an "ok lynch", calls Eden a "pretty good lynch", decides Marv is scum again yet he seems to have no interest in actively not getting lynched. It's really weird because no matter his alignment he shouldn't want to get lynched. I don't want to get lynched but I'm busy. Plus, I don't think people are going to listen to what I have to say whatsoever unless I get lynched. Granted most people will likely forget it and some people will likely just dismiss it. But just promise me to look back at my list and think about it. I'll try to be back later to explain things in more detail. But I still haven't had a shower or anything to eat or drink yet today and I have a shitton of stuff to do and I really want to play league. That's pretty much it. I'm still going to look into the filters of Chyz and Vivax to see if they're better lynches and make up my mind. Also have a look at batsnacks. But no one's even voted batsnacks yet, I'll look into him D2. On January 02 2015 10:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Artanis, do me a favor and scan thru his filter from his last game...should make it v apparent I take it you're referring to your enfant terrible? Will do. Thats not an excuse. What difference is there between one vote on Vivax and 0 on batsnacks? There are still 3 hours until deadline and I might push for a batsnacks lynch. Two votes on Vivax. If you make a good case I'll look into it but I'm already doing more reading than I was planning at 3am. Artanis, there's really not any more direction that I could post than I've already posted. You guys have been all like "OMG his stuff is so shit." People say that shit all the time when I'm town. I also tend to find the right answer in ways that other people don't. I look at games entirely differently than most here. All of what's happening is that my posts are being buried in my filter by me trying to explain this shit to you guys. You don't see Marv around actually caring who gets lynched or why. Why is he so focused on a town? Why has his game been exceptionally different from his town play? Why doesn't he want to lynch Robik? Why is Robik so nothing like the usual townplay I've seen? Why is GB changing his mind in 5 minutes when nothing of note in the thread has changed? Why is Vivax someone that most people are "considering" but few people have any actual drive to consider the situation? I don't feel like being tunneled for 3 more days which if I don't get lynched is my expected lifespan in this game. I've told you who I think is off and why. You might not understand it. But I don't think I can explain it better. Marv isn't town!Marv. Vivax has a decent shot of flipping scum. GB, idk. I've always had a hard time reading him and I don't think he's a great player. Chyz is town. DrH is maybe town but if he is then he's a large detriment to the game. Palmer is town. Damdred is town. Koshi is almost assuredly town (not because he doesn't want to kill me). You're town. I think sicklucker is probably town his play looks more similar to his townplay to me and when I reread him again I think he's getting a bad rap because people aren't looking at the towny hints. Kelsier is a tough read. But as scum he tends to be active and do things even when the thread's not moving or changing direction. He's alot like me in that he likes to think ahead a bit I think. I don't really see that in his filter. So he's probably town. JAT is town. Just trust me on this <3. You didn't post a gif
why you no comment on his jat read that is basically my read?
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Besides what are we going to do tomorrow if thechyz is still alive and DrH takes it upon himself to tunnel him for another 15 pages.
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I'm sorry for my absence, had parents and work today so got sucked away.
Quick thought list
I do not think i would lynch Chy today yea his going away post was kind of meh but he put the effort in to at least do it and his frustration really seems like its honest, and the tunnel on him this game is way different then the game he is linked to I think. Its way more concentrated here and I don't think he really can do much when hes being called scum for almost half the posts every page.
Koshi really brought up something good about vivax I think but i'm not sure that i like how geript is marching to his death here either.
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Not necessary if he left the game, eventually he'd get modkilled or lynched just for lurking.
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On January 02 2015 11:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I have seen scum martyr and self vote and ragequit in many different ways. Wifom, meaningless. Youre saying he has to be town because he martyred? His actions up to that point are scummy too.
Grtz. Town does it 9 out of 10 times. Scum 1 / 10
These are accurate numbers.
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On January 02 2015 11:35 batsnacks wrote:
Besides what are we going to do tomorrow if thechyz is still alive and DrH takes it upon himself to tunnel him for another 15 pages.
check him
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Since he's behaved very scummily up to then who cares? Can anyone save themselves in your eyes just by martyring? You obviously think the case holds no water regardless so why hammer on this specifically and why are you obsessed with chyz when ive been talking geript the last few pages anyway. Youve spent more effort trying to make me look bad than making any cogent points about vivax. At least im focused on my reads
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On January 02 2015 11:37 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 11:35 batsnacks wrote:
Besides what are we going to do tomorrow if thechyz is still alive and DrH takes it upon himself to tunnel him for another 15 pages. check him
There's a framer dude.
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Vig him and dt check whoever the hell they want
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On January 02 2015 11:37 sicklucker wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 11:35 batsnacks wrote:
Besides what are we going to do tomorrow if thechyz is still alive and DrH takes it upon himself to tunnel him for another 15 pages. check him
SL what about the framer and millers? Do you think mafia really reacts the way that he did here?
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On January 02 2015 11:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Vig him and dt check whoever the hell they want
Town doesn't have a vig.
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On January 02 2015 11:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Vig him and dt check whoever the hell they want
There is no vig in this game...
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On January 02 2015 11:41 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 11:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Vig him and dt check whoever the hell they want Town doesn't have a vig.
Your team on the other hand....
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Oh i thought there was a vig. There was some.nonsense about vigs in the beginning but i never actually read the setup at all.
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On January 02 2015 11:41 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 11:41 batsnacks wrote:On January 02 2015 11:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Vig him and dt check whoever the hell they want Town doesn't have a vig. Your team on the other hand....
On January 02 2015 09:54 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 09:51 sicklucker wrote:On January 02 2015 09:43 justanothertownie wrote:
Does anyone have any reason why we shouldn't just lynch batsnacks? Hes already cussed at multiple new players therefor he is town. But to be serious hes too hard to read I think he could be a mislynch. Since when is batsnacks hard to read? Are you kidding me?
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