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On January 03 2015 14:50 justanothertownie wrote: Koshi was the most obvious nightkill there ever was. Not that it matters now that they are dead. It makes my medic read a decent shot to be right fwiw.
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Add DrH to that list of one must be scum. but to a much lesser extent than the other 4.
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In the least mafia should probably feel bad for the Eden kill if they thought he was a role. I'm not seeing anything of note or any hint that he was blue at any point. Even if Sick is mafia, they wouldn't kill him just to remove that suspicion. Eden doesn't have enough town pull.
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Note, the only exception is that if the mafia team is something like Chyz, Superbia, SickL, glowingbear, + low thread presence/non-vet. Not an impossible team. Even then going for the double kill is probably better than not. Like VE would be a better neutral kill. Artanis wouldn't be a bad shot either as he's less likely to pull medic save since he essentially led the mislynch.
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On January 04 2015 07:21 VisceraEyes wrote: He voted in response to Palmar's rant about Vivax think, so if geript is town maybe Palmar swayed him? This is patently untrue. I didn't realize there was a voting thread. If you follow my filter I voted in thread twice for vivax. Just consider my vote in thread the point at which it would've been in placed in the voting thread. Robik looks terrible but he has 11 pages. Him town reading Eden would be consistent with the NK on him if he's mafia. But he's a real pussy as mafia. I haven't read each Vivax post in depth. But from what I've seen today his unique point of view. Rather he's making bad but logical arguments. That's his scum meta where he loses his unique town perspective. Superbia looks just as bad still. His play actually heavily reminds me of DrH in bluelightz where (as mafia) he super raged for catching heat for being inactive and not voting. It's really out of place. I still think Damdred is town, but he 100% is red or blue.
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Also the vet mafia is either Palmer or DrH. I've been waffling on Marv. Still am in many regards. His D2 play is far more in line w/ his town play so I think I'm just going to ignore D1 due to NYE. Granted, I'll catch heat for thinking DrH is mafia or potentially so, but I think everyone's ignoring how he's acting and thinking. There's agenda behind each post he makes. He's either trying to make it unfun for other people (a tactic he approves of as mafia), he's trying to line up lynches multiple lynches down the road, he tries to bury any sort of productive discussion. As town he's tunnely and generally a pretentious asshole, but he also stops to think at points. He really hasn't considered anyone's reads or points critically. He's one of the most logical players (read LID and his push on Prome as an example) but he's in no way done my that this game.
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Gotta pay the drive home. The Eden kill means there's a vet mafia. Vivax doesn't count. He's been around for a while but no reason to not go for 2 get NK as (if he's the only one) vivax has no thread pull. When there are unexpected NKs there's a reason for it. Eden being (universally) townread doesn't explain it best option is that both were medic dodges. It suggests that the NK plan for tonight is JAT plus get or double vet. Likely the former. Maybe a blue snipe though.
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On January 04 2015 08:18 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2015 08:15 geript wrote: Gotta pay the drive home. The Eden kill means there's a vet mafia. Vivax doesn't count. He's been around for a while but no reason to not go for 2 get NK as (if he's the only one) vivax has no thread pull. When there are unexpected NKs there's a reason for it. Eden being (universally) townread doesn't explain it best option is that both were medic dodges. It suggests that the NK plan for tonight is JAT plus get or double vet. Likely the former. Maybe a blue snipe though. Didn't you say Koshi was the most obvious medic save earlier? How is he a medic dodge now? Because I think he's the obvious save, it doesn't mean that mafia don't consider him a medic dodge. Perhaps they assume Marv/Artanis/Palmer is the obvious save. In a game with Marv/Palmer/Artanis/Koshi as tier 1 kills, I'm guessing they took the medic dodge target.
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Going to play some league and take a dump. Then I'll read filters specifically. You going to be around in an hour or two Artanis?
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On January 04 2015 08:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: List of people I would lynch today if I had enough lynches: Superbia Vivax Geript Robik
Maybe GlowingBear too. He's been mentioned a few times as well but no one's actually bothered to check into him as far as I can see. I've read gb. Thought he was town. I'll look back into him. Iirc he's sporadic in activity as either alignment.
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Fwiw Artanis I think Kelsier had a really good point on GB too which supported how I was already reading him.
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Fwiw Artanis, GB has a bunch of random inconsistencies. But for the most part they're actually pretty towny. He's not really a player who would show his balls as mafia and be carefree about what he's posted. He doesn't really even defend against or deflect from his inconsistencies. Rather it looks more so like he's town from the attitude of how he comments toward JAT in their spats. It actually make me question if JAT isn't just being the high posting scum. It's not like he hasn't done it before.
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Also fwiw, I don't think sick lurker can be mafia with laser. Both can be town but it's more likely that one is mafia.
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On January 04 2015 09:29 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Geript why havent you voted for vivax yet He's a good lynch from the things I've read about him, but I haven't actually directly read his filter myself. I might end up disagreeing and looking for a better lynch elsewhere. I just want to actually evaluate who I've voting for. Just because Koshi and others have had good points on Vivax doesn't make them right.
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On January 04 2015 09:36 Superbia wrote: Already talked about ritoky and lazer.
Geript feels the exact same as the last game I played in (where he was mafia): 1. Starts off tryhard and gets serious very quickly like he has something to prove. 2. Pretty much a non-agenda during d1. Says a bunch of somewhat townie shit, but pushes on nothing. 3. Then tunnels on a vet (marv now, HF then).
Also HARD READS marv mafia, after which he just votes batsnacks (which he didn't even believe in, whatsoever) followed by vivax out of nowhere, the two other wagons. He never votes marv, HIS HARD SCUM READ. Then the whole non self-preservation vote debacle, which has been discussed. I believe the self-preservation vote was unnecessary because he had team mates riding the vote train read to switch over if necessary (using the incredibly bad excuse dubbed "shenanigans").
SickLucker loves to focus on himself when he's town (played with him in campus mafia, where he was town and I was mafia), which he has not done this game at all. I'm not a 100% sure if he has changed up his gameplay or what, but I'm expecting town SL to call himself confirmed town every 3 posts, usually based on something ridiculous. This game has been completely different from his town game.
Like the guy literally says I wasted my vote when he is scum-reading ritoky himself. What?
Also associative read if geript is scum (which I believe). This is 100% flat out a false explanation of my play in Russian. There's huge differences in my play there and here. Not just in activity but also in purpose. I made huge pushes on multiple days and nights and kept town completely off kilter in Russian. I made a case on Damdred, HF, major points on Marv, case on SnoMan which forced him to claim. This is basically just completely wrong and misrespresenting my play in Russian and any sort of comparison here. This is exceptionally scummy.
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On January 04 2015 09:47 sicklucker wrote: Haha like holy shit I just figured an easy way to confirm people slam messed up Fuck no. Don't use this. Even trying to do this is flat out cheating and I will fucking lynch you and push for you to get a huge fucking ban for this type of shit. This type of shit is totally unacceptable. Not only am I guessing that your system won't actually be correct, but this is the reason why hosts and cohosts shoudl always be very careful about how they post in and out of thread. The game should be about what happens int he game and not about OGI.
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On January 04 2015 09:50 sicklucker wrote: I dont think its cheating at all but ill check with slam It is cheating. If it's true, then it's bad of Slam to do. If it's intentional (which I doubt), then it's exceptionally bad form as a host and he should never host again. This is not a theme game; this is a normal (albeit a slightly odd one because of the open setup). You should never ever use OGI (partly because it's wrong sometimes or in the least misinterpreted) but also because it breaks the spirit of the game. It's why there isn't out of thread communication. It's really, really wrong. Seriously stop this shit.
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On January 04 2015 09:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 04 2015 09:21 geript wrote: Fwiw Artanis, GB has a bunch of random inconsistencies. But for the most part they're actually pretty towny. He's not really a player who would show his balls as mafia and be carefree about what he's posted. He doesn't really even defend against or deflect from his inconsistencies. Rather it looks more so like he's town from the attitude of how he comments toward JAT in their spats. It actually make me question if JAT isn't just being the high posting scum. It's not like he hasn't done it before. But his analysis is so shallow. Is that not something that you get whilst reading his filter? It's just.. ugh. Presuming you're green I think it's really unlikely JAT is scum. No reason for him to create a last minute voteswitch onto Bats, WIFOM is a terrible reason as he wasn't exactly in need of towncred. Have you read Russian? That was in part a reason why I was townread in it. I helped switch off of Damdred and helped look for an alternate lynch (as mafia). Prima facie it's a townie move; but it's also very good play as mafia to do it as well. It helps keep town focused on town in stupid ways. JAT in my experience is a much better mafia player than town player; I wouldn't put him past it whatsoever. As for GB's analysis, I haven't ever really seen him have great amazing deep reads on people. I actually don't think his townread on me was awful; if anything, the better argument against him is TMI especially if Vivax is mafia. His response towards the mislynch (Hey I was on Vivax) in addition to they miracle read on me would be better points.
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On January 04 2015 09:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Damdred is always polite Ritoky. Show nested quote +Further it is almost like you're distinctively attempting to avoid reading what people call "tier 1 players". You don't give definitive stances in terms of scum reads on almost any major thing happening in the game. So either you think all of these people are town fighting in which case you're not doing much to stop it or you are positioning yourself to have no real definitive stance so you can fall on whatever side is best for you. Gonna have to check if this is true but I like this observation just for how its developed. My experience is that he's more polite and less active as mafia. It's actually what has me questioning my blue read on him. He actually made a quite interesting point on me that I don't think he would if he were mafia (let me find it).
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On January 02 2015 12:22 Damdred wrote: Heres the problem i'm struggling with, with Geript i've played with him a good amount of times and I have a huge amount of respect for his scum game. But sometimes as town he shows up and really doesn't give a shit (no offense) we have a similar situation in avocado numbers mafia I think was the name and geript barely went down with a whimper, also when he went into fanfic mafia when he replaced in he basically refused to do anything after being scum read. He does have a few really good town games though but i've seen geript just not care, so its really giving me pause here. This is what I'm talking about. I think it was before people were really considering not lynching me.
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