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On January 02 2015 05:33 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 05:31 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 05:30 TheChyz wrote:On January 02 2015 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 02 2015 05:10 TheChyz wrote:On January 02 2015 05:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 02 2015 05:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Ritoky hasn't impressed me at all since yesterday. His failure to move on from the joke about a policy lynch ir whatever said to me disinterested and bad townie. Scumteam if they weren't totally stupid would tell him not to bring that up again considering he got heat from it before. He's a player I would put in the DT pile, i get stuck in the wifom But don't you find his large post just weird. Not even just the stuff he says inside of it but the format of it. Like he was in no need to give a read on every single person. I just find that pointless because not scum hunting and looks more defensive. Other than being scum and thinking you have heat and just throwing every read you have to try to appease people that your doing something or if you are town and know your going to die to give the rest of town your current reads I see no reason to do that. Therefore he falls into the scummy category, does he not? I just find no reason to talk about everybody instead of only the few which he has a good read/focus on. You're confirmed scum, no reason to have a conversation unless you would like to explain your various lies. You're breaking even further away from your town meta. Why are you buddying up to me to get approval on your read, just post your case and quote mine like i know you're capable of. You dont wanna put in effort for cases you know are crap, your mentality is changed a lot I think all of your cases are just shit meh cases that your trying to grasp a hold onto anything and make it be like. Oh he said this thing which I have nothing to say but it came at a WRONG TIME that seems opportunistic. Also almost all of your scum reads and town reads a few hours ago where mostly. "good things about chyz said" = scum, "bad things about chyz said" = town. THis game has been so unpleasant with you which is mostly why I'm ignore your shit posts on me. I really hope scum kills me night 1 so that can shut you up tbh. There is no way scum ever kills you. why not want me dead instead
Because you're way off track and usually get worse as the game goes on.
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On January 02 2015 05:27 marvellosity wrote:
don't like this list:
people i don't want to lynch for some reason:
1; Koshi
4; Artanis[XP]
6; Marvellosity
7; justanothertownie
8; IAmRobik
10; Palmar
11; Damdred
15; KelsierSC
17; DoctorHelvetica
18; Eden1892
Hmm? arbitrarily feels like a 1/2 deal. Nothing to back this up:
5; Lazermonkey
9; TheChyz
Wat r u doing
2; GlowingBear
14; Vivax
19; RebirthOfLeGenD
20; Superbia
Some PoE title:
3; Geript
12; batsnacks
13; sicklucker
16; ritoky
I take no responsibility if this does or does not contradict something I said previously. Just making this list makes me think I should look at sl though, he could be mafia. Normally I remember him when I read stuff.
Look Here's my specific issues with the list. I'm in PoE, which I guess is explainable. Batsnacks idk. Haven't seen traps but as I recall he hasn't really be doing much of anything. When I reread sicklucker I think he might be town. I forget why, but it wasn't terribly memorable. Bat/rit both feel like coin flips instead of solid PoE targets.
Plus, he's got Eden and kelsier as town. Kelsier might be when I reread him before crashing last night, but Eden's in a weird spot. I don't think Eden's town. It's even more troublesome that Marv finds Robik to be town. Robik is 0% town.
Serioiusly. Town Robik is all over the place. He's aggressive. He does stuff. He pushes opinions. He's an overall jackass (much like myself sometimes). This game Robik doesn't care whatsoever. Robik hasn't posted much and he doesn't care. That's quite definitive of his scumplay.
Koshi, he might be town, he might be scum. I'm really unsure because he's so convinced I'm mafia. Maybe it's just me who's exceptionally off this game, but it's really weird that both Koshi and Marv haven't picked up on or pushed Robik. It's really weird that Koshi comes in and thinks Eden is bad and then thinks he gets better. He started bad and then goes into lala land.
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On January 02 2015 05:41 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 05:39 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 05:36 marvellosity wrote:On January 02 2015 05:31 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 05:27 marvellosity wrote:
don't like this list:
people i don't want to lynch for some reason:
1; Koshi
4; Artanis[XP]
6; Marvellosity
7; justanothertownie
8; IAmRobik
10; Palmar
11; Damdred
15; KelsierSC
17; DoctorHelvetica
18; Eden1892
Hmm? arbitrarily feels like a 1/2 deal. Nothing to back this up:
5; Lazermonkey
9; TheChyz
Wat r u doing
2; GlowingBear
14; Vivax
19; RebirthOfLeGenD
20; Superbia
Some PoE title:
3; Geript
12; batsnacks
13; sicklucker
16; ritoky
I take no responsibility if this does or does not contradict something I said previously. Just making this list makes me think I should look at sl though, he could be mafia. Normally I remember him when I read stuff.
I also don't know if I like the list but it looks almost exactly like mine so I am fine with you. Do you have a specific reason for the Eden read? I wasn't sure of his attack on Chyz at the beginning, but his posts since all sound natural. I also think the evolution of his Chyz read is townie - it actually looks like he's interested in his alignment, rather than trying to paint him as one or the other. if you read your filter yourself you'll see what i mean. Hmm. If it wasn't Eden we are talking about I would agree with this very much and in fact he also is on my do not lynch list still but I feel like he is considerably less towny than he was in heavyweight. I checked and the only difference between our lists is damdred. Why is he on yours? damdred read is thin, but he's trying enough for me not to wanna go near lynching him today. i can't imagine the world where i decide to lynch Damdred today, which is what that list is essentially saying
Nah, Damdreds town. I'd stake 45% of my reputation on it.
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On January 02 2015 05:37 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 05:34 geript wrote:On January 02 2015 05:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 02 2015 05:04 geript wrote:On January 02 2015 05:02 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Why did you omgus a null read again? Your explanation just made it seem like you decided marv was mafia before anything happened i.e. fake read Who are you talking to and what about? You. It's quite possible that I just decided Marv was mafia because he felt off. Meh. Wouldn't be the first time I've jumped to conclusions. That said, his list is awful. feeling really good about it actually. is attacking me your only way out at this stage? is jat scum for agreeing with my list in its entirety?
Lynch Marv Final answer. Marv is mafia. Never been wrong before boys. Never will.
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On January 02 2015 05:43 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 05:41 geript wrote:On January 02 2015 05:27 marvellosity wrote:
don't like this list:
people i don't want to lynch for some reason:
1; Koshi
4; Artanis[XP]
6; Marvellosity
7; justanothertownie
8; IAmRobik
10; Palmar
11; Damdred
15; KelsierSC
17; DoctorHelvetica
18; Eden1892
Hmm? arbitrarily feels like a 1/2 deal. Nothing to back this up:
5; Lazermonkey
9; TheChyz
Wat r u doing
2; GlowingBear
14; Vivax
19; RebirthOfLeGenD
20; Superbia
Some PoE title:
3; Geript
12; batsnacks
13; sicklucker
16; ritoky
I take no responsibility if this does or does not contradict something I said previously. Just making this list makes me think I should look at sl though, he could be mafia. Normally I remember him when I read stuff.
Look Here's my specific issues with the list. I'm in PoE, which I guess is explainable. Batsnacks idk. Haven't seen traps but as I recall he hasn't really be doing much of anything. When I reread sicklucker I think he might be town. I forget why, but it wasn't terribly memorable. Bat/rit both feel like coin flips instead of solid PoE targets. Plus, he's got Eden and kelsier as town. Kelsier might be when I reread him before crashing last night, but Eden's in a weird spot. I don't think Eden's town. It's even more troublesome that Marv finds Robik to be town. Robik is 0% town. Serioiusly. Town Robik is all over the place. He's aggressive. He does stuff. He pushes opinions. He's an overall jackass (much like myself sometimes). This game Robik doesn't care whatsoever. Robik hasn't posted much and he doesn't care. That's quite definitive of his scumplay. Koshi, he might be town, he might be scum. I'm really unsure because he's so convinced I'm mafia. Maybe it's just me who's exceptionally off this game, but it's really weird that both Koshi and Marv haven't picked up on or pushed Robik. It's really weird that Koshi comes in and thinks Eden is bad and then thinks he gets better. He started bad and then goes into lala land. your first paragraph is terrible especially, because it essentially describes the exact reasons that batsnacks and sicklucker have arrived there sicklucker isn't memorable and batsnacks isn't doing anything, and you can't see why they've made it to that list? for realsies?
I can see that argument, but I remember getting a townread on sick. I think it had to do with something newbs usually do as town. Bat is maybe ok for no traps. The town list is actually far more damning in my opinion. There's no way you have a townread on Robik. Absolutely not. It also really bugs me that the town pile you've created is essentally a group of sycophants for you and Koshi right now other than perhaps Artanis.
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Meh, whatever Marv. I'm really hungry and don't feel like posting 4 pages on how you're scum. You are. Congrats you got me lynched; well Koshi got me lynched.
Here's a tl;dr version that people need to sheep:
1. Read on Robik is fucking terrible. Robik is scum
2. No interactions with Koshi--normally these two are absolutely fucking hilarious to play with
3. Not fun; little to no sarcasm, wit, or fun factor that makes Marv fun to play with
4. Wouldn't read me like he does. He'd be more scared to lynch into me (looking elsewhere first) and less sure on his read on me.
5. Marv wouldn't fear lynch on D1
6. Really fucking terrible list post.
@Artanis, Palmer and Doc. Look at Marv. He's not right. Doc get your head screwed on straight and actually think about the game critically. I'm pretty sure your read on Chyz is wrong.
Town:
Artanis[XP]--Not as active as I'd like. But I'm prettty sure he's town
DoctorHelvetica--Way off track
Palmar--First time he's read me wrong as town. lolz
TheChyz--He's just new. But he's town.
Damdred--He's town. But force him to post a bunch tomorrow because he notices some good things here and there
justanothertownie
sicklucker--I initially had him below this in the unsure pile. But I had a townread on him when I read him before I slept. Cursory view of his meta points towards town; that said, it's not wholly applicable because of different game situations imo.
Unsure but active pile:
batsnacks--of these two, bat is the most likely to be mafia.
KelsierSC--felt towny but i forget why
GTFO:
RebirthOfLeGenD
Superbia
Vivax
GlowingBear
Mafia lean:
Eden1892--Went ham but not fully ham. Then drops ham and never goes back to ham land. Really odd start.
ritoky -- He townread me at a weird point. His read on Robik was pretty weird. Marv wants to lynch him but doesn't really follow up on it.
Koshi --Could be wrong here
Mafia:
Marvellosity
IAmRobik
Lazermonkey--From a cursory view of his past 3-4 games
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On January 02 2015 05:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 05:57 Palmar wrote:On January 02 2015 05:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Palmar, do you still believe Geript to be the best lynch today? Yes. One thing that particularly stands out to me is that I'm sort of in the driver's seat on this lynch, and geript hasn't even mentioned or addressed me at all. Like all he has to do is change my mind, but for some reason he's shying away from any interaction with me. Well, you haven't been around until recently so that's a reasonable consideration. It's weird that he hasn't really defended the main points against him or really push anyone. Just calls Lazer an "ok lynch", calls Eden a "pretty good lynch", decides Marv is scum again yet he seems to have no interest in actively not getting lynched. It's really weird because no matter his alignment he shouldn't want to get lynched.
I don't want to get lynched but I'm busy. Plus, I don't think people are going to listen to what I have to say whatsoever unless I get lynched. Granted most people will likely forget it and some people will likely just dismiss it. But just promise me to look back at my list and think about it. I'll try to be back later to explain things in more detail. But I still haven't had a shower or anything to eat or drink yet today and I have a shitton of stuff to do and I really want to play league.
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On January 02 2015 06:03 justanothertownie wrote:Noone in this game ever gives reasons for his read on me. 
No reasons necessary bbycakes. Granted I think I said the same thing last time and you were mafia but meh.
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Also, fwiw Artanis, I saw this lynch coming yesterday. Considering the situation, activity, etc. It's a really hard lynch to get out of and all I can do is do my best to steer who to next.
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On January 02 2015 06:06 Koshi wrote:
Why is Kelsier suddenly town geript? You had him as top mafia and now he is town but you forgot why?
I read his filter again.
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On January 02 2015 06:23 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 06:22 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
if someone can read geript's multiple criticisms of my list and conclude they are genuine objections rather than objections for the sake of objecting/trying to discredit me, i'm all ears.
1 fake e-sports dollar says you can't though. True but you have to realize that this does not necessarily make him mafia. i don't think town-geript bullshits reasons on multiple people on my list if he is town.
Your list is bad and you should feel bad for posting it.
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On January 02 2015 06:30 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 06:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 02 2015 06:21 Palmar wrote:On January 02 2015 06:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
i didnt read your case on geript palmar and i agreed with what marv said. am i scum if he flips town too? i think this is a bit much No, you're just another brick in the wall. Only marv is confirmed scum if he pushes a lynch on town geript. It doesn't seem like anyone agrees. It's pointless to talk about at the moment anyway. You'll still be able to say what you want after the flip. To be honest. There is more. I am town. Therefore geript must be mafia for TMI. How else would he know I'm town?
No, we've had some town on town action recently.
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On January 02 2015 06:49 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 06:47 geript wrote:On January 02 2015 06:23 marvellosity wrote:On January 02 2015 06:22 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 06:16 marvellosity wrote:
if someone can read geript's multiple criticisms of my list and conclude they are genuine objections rather than objections for the sake of objecting/trying to discredit me, i'm all ears.
1 fake e-sports dollar says you can't though. True but you have to realize that this does not necessarily make him mafia. i don't think town-geript bullshits reasons on multiple people on my list if he is town. Your list is bad and you should feel bad for posting it. Geript why are you mafia?
Because I had to get you to listen to my nightkills so we could actually win this time. Plus, no modkill would help. You think Superbia will post today or will he be replaced instead of modkilled?
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Maybe I'm wrong about sicklucker that post is bad.
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On January 02 2015 08:57 marvellosity wrote:
because he's a newish player and he's under this humungous tunnel and he's playing the game alone, not with a team. that's the other, very plausible, read.
You mean a point I've made multiple times.
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On January 02 2015 08:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Can i restate the point that the chyz has lied over and over again? Not a single person has engaged me on this. If im wrong just fucking refute me
Can I restate the fact that you've entirely wasted day 1 seemingly on purpose.
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On January 02 2015 09:13 Koshi wrote:Explain to me why Vivax is so focused connecting people with geript. Yet never talks about geript his alignment and his own view on geript. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 06:47 Vivax wrote:
Hi. I still have to read a fair lot but I'm currently keen on what batsnacks wrote and agree with him on LM. The post looks extremely formulaic and I have no idea why he would talk so much about Chyz when he's going for geript anyway. The first paragraph just should looks like a soup of looking agreeable but not really. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 08:55 Vivax wrote:
The list doesn't make him look any better to me. If anything it makes me wonder why he feels defeated so quickly. Looking at his scumreads I don't really grasp how he can tell apart people like geript and Koshi from the rest of his null/scummy-pile, they only appear rarely in his filter.
Seems interesting. Maybe I should pay more attention right now.
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On January 02 2015 09:29 Palmar wrote:geript isn't even trying to defend himself. No matter his alignment now he should be lynched. If he is town this is rubbish play. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 06:05 geript wrote:
Also, fwiw Artanis, I saw this lynch coming yesterday. Considering the situation, activity, etc. It's a really hard lynch to get out of and all I can do is do my best to steer who to next. This post is complete bullshit. The only reason he's in trouble is because he's not contributing to the game when he could have. There are 20 people in the game and no one is batting an eye because some players have less activity than normal. there is a reason that 19 people are not getting lynched and geript is. It's because what he has done this game amounts to basically nothing. In this kind of a situation, any town player will find the motivation to defend himself. He's hardly even attempting to do it. We need to kill him. And if he actually flips town, we need to call him bad postgame, because this kind of defense is basically unacceptable. All he had to do was to engage with a few people controlling the lynch, most importantly me, and change the read, but it's almost as if he doesn't think he can do it. There are only two options here. #1: geript thinks he's just terrible at town, has no ability to convince people, and is willing to sabotage town based on his incompetence. #2: geript is mafia and thinks he won't be able to imitate his town style in prolonged interrogation. I actually think geript has both confidence, and that he always plays to win. This defeatist attitude does not fit at all, so I'm hoping that option 2 is the one that is true and he simply has given up trying to fight the lynch.
Vivax is a very, very good candidate for being mafia. I have no problem with people going after him.
You're missing the situation. though.
##vote Vivax
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On January 02 2015 09:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 09:31 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Of course i will be switching to geript if there is a chance someone other than him thechyz is lynched. Second option is better than nothing I'm ok with both lynches tbh. It kinda sucks to have two martyrs and only one noose.
Meh I'm not martyring. I'm just not really motivated to play right now and idk why. Like I've posted my best thoughts and the best strategic play for me is to get my points out there. Like I'm the obvious frame target so that means that any cop check on me is pretty questionable. So I have to hope that I'm a miller. Or that the cop doesn't come out. Just simpler to get lynched and solve the problem.
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