Imperial Mafia - Page 445

On January 15 2015 18:53 sicklucker wrote:
Marv where are you. Im really going to kill you if you dont go all out on mylo

On January 15 2015 08:44 Vivax wrote:


Then give us a better interpretation.

On January 15 2015 08:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

He seems to have a clear suspicion of LM which he's not been pushing much yet. It is troubling.

On January 15 2015 09:12 Vivax wrote:
Ok, so here we go:



I don' think LM is lying when he says he has exams and can't play properly. But he's scum, which is why we witnessed so much brain farting when I questioned him.

He told his scumbuddies that he's scum, and that he won't have time to play and said "Pls, bus me cause I can't try harder than this".

Now I go into a hypothetical world where SL is town. He's just a town who says a ton of dumb shit that makes me scumread him everytime. Kels softed cop D1, and he was actually right when he said that LM scumslipped he was scum with super. But the Vivax I am, who doesn't care about filter size and has trouble distingishing bad from scum, I keep pushing him thinking he's scum while in fact he's just the next JAT.

So marv and Kelsier agreed. They would push the wagon on him, grab a shitton of cred, and carry their team to victory.

Now it's night. I found another load of reasons to push SL with. But scum can't push him. They can't push him cause they will need an ally tomorrow, after they NK Artanis and push the lynch on me. GB is somewhat doing his own thing with Damdred, and Damdred is basically my ally. Plenty of room for the next mislynch. They can push Damdred, they can push me.

That's why Kelsier shows absolutely zero suspicion on SL, and instead tries to win his favour by defending him and trying to discredit me.

That's why marv keeps silent. He doesn't need to do a thing if SL is indeed town. He just sits back and enjoys, waiting for the opportunity to strike while I keep pushing a townie. They will probably lose LM at some point, probably tomorrow, but afterwards, Chez will side with Kelsier and marv cause of the palmar lynch he didn't want, and GB will probably accept the theory that I'm scum with Damdred and be willing to lynch either of us.

Capiche? That's basically a possible scenario. I guarantee you. Marv will never die on a night this game. Marv isn't trying to solve this game. He's just setting up the stage to win the game for scum.

So, according to this theory where I assume SL is scum. The team left is: Kelsier, marv, LM

On January 15 2015 09:13 KelsierSC wrote:


Where Marv and I vote lm last night and afk?

On January 15 2015 09:24 Vivax wrote:
Now it's up to Chez, GB, Damdred and SL to do the rest.

I don't count myself cause I don't have the marv wizardry to be able to begull the thread, which earns him a 90 % scum winrate

On January 15 2015 09:47 KelsierSC wrote:
Ok answer this, what scummy thing have I done ?

I read sl as town, you ask me why I don't instantly scumread him and I tell you why.
Because right now your theory is that two mafia voted on the third and then left and that everyone who voted on palmar was town.

On January 15 2015 10:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Like I said, I'm not entirely happy with the explanation, but eh. Marv not leading a lynch on mafia throughout this game would get to him, so I can see him trying, and at that point you may as well join in to add to the cred.

Basically Marv would be super screwed if he led/was part of a wagon that lynched town today if he were scum. It'd be possible to sac Marv and just go full on Palmar, but he's had a 38 page game so I doubt he'd be willing to do so.

On January 15 2015 20:23 sicklucker wrote:
So marv do you agree with artanis that vivax is town. Or can he be a tryhard mafia here?

On January 15 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm convinced.

I'm voting LM tomorrow.

One thing is certain: they wanted to keep ritoky alive.
And if they wanted to keep ritoky alive, is that because they would want to try to keep his cop claim untouched.

It means they didn't know who the cop was.

It means they thought someone else was the cop.

I have to figure out who.

On January 15 2015 10:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Ok I'm convinced.

I'm voting LM tomorrow.

One thing is certain: they wanted to keep ritoky alive.
And if they wanted to keep ritoky alive, is that because they would want to try to keep his cop claim untouched.

It means they didn't know who the cop was.

It means they thought someone else was the cop.

I have to figure out who.

On January 02 2015 18:27 Koshi wrote:

This is a 100% bullshit post from Vivax. There is no way town Vivax thinks like this. Vivax also slipped in his own bullshit by saying the red bolded.

That's enough to read Vivax 100% scum. The entire post is such bullshit. VIVAX IS SMART. Yet "he wonders why" or "he can't grasp" very simple stuff.

This is not town Vivax

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Other reason to why Vivax is scum:

You have to understand Vivax posted this on page 59.
While the batsnacks thing happened on page 57.

So Vivax is 2 pages behind. Yet he says this:

This is 4 hours later. HOW IS VIVAX NOT CAUGHT UP YET?

Vivax is bullshitting you people. He is playing you with this entire "I am not caught up" bullshit. He is using it to not draw too much attention to him. Or that people expect him to participate in the ongoing lynch.

Vivax did not touch geript immediately when entering the thread.
Vivax is a town leader. Vivax is smart. Vivax is the true detective.
Vivax was in this thread for multiple hours and did not touch geript. There is no excuse for a townplayer who was "contributing" to not touch geript. He quoted something from batsnacks and Lazermonkey on page 57. Everything around geript happened already. Why is he not participating in the moment?

But he has time to to ask marv 2-3 times why marv wanted Vivax to come to the thread. But Vivax never does anything with marv ignoring him. Or explain why it is important. WHY is it important marv wondered if Vivax would come back? Do you think Vivax would have produced some sick meta read on marv if marv replied? Nope. It was a bullshit random question.

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Dat adhom. Ok. Now you can die.
I made it pretty obvious that my suspicion wasn't because Vivax was inactive on NYE.

This is the second or third post in which Vivax says "that he doesn't understand" why people are thinking he might be scum.


Even if he disagrees with the reason why people read Vivax as scum. He should at least have a grasp on why it is. Or at least question it. Look it up. But no. This game Vivax is from Barcelona and he knows nothing.

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Also notice how he leaves the thread making 4-5 joke posts and making himself popular? If Vivax really was catching up this entire time, he would leave the thread with some sort of -final reads after catching up-. Or at least something concrete.

Not make 5 joke posts and fuck off. Nope. Never.

Vivax was lurking guys. A real not caught up Vivax who was catching up would not be posting so much in the moment stuff. He was caught up and lurking the entire time he was here.

On January 03 2015 14:36 sicklucker wrote:
To vote vivax or to vote gerit it is a decision but a win win.

On January 03 2015 20:35 marvellosity wrote:

ya. they're all pretty terrible but it's a Palmar-type read so I'm eliminating him. if Robik is town I'm gonna have to adjust my expectations for him down accordingly, but it may just be possible that he's town given Vivax. 1/3 pushing jat like a weirdo seems more likely than 2-3.

anyway, we need to kill vivax and not falter. 2 basic reasons

1.a different reaction to basically everyone bar DrH on Chyz
2.the terrible push on jat, particularly twisty shit like jat already demonstrated of cherrypicking his filter
3.koshi will be mad and he's a qt

if you're not gonna vote vivax, you need to explain *extremely* clearly why

##vote: Vivax

On January 04 2015 01:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
##Vote Vivax
#Teamkoshi

On January 04 2015 02:07 VisceraEyes wrote:
Vivax your D1 scumhunting method can be categorized as "hands-off". For this reason, I VOTE THEE!

On January 03 2015 22:41 Lazermonkey wrote:
My objection to kill Vivax at this point is that he is still refusing to talk about all other lynch targets and keeps on defending himself and/or pushes for people who aren't getting lynched this decade. Couldn't scum Vivax try to hop on some easy target instead of Eden/jat?

Though I don't think this is a super strong argument for Vivax either since it still would mean his town play is garbage.

On January 05 2015 14:12 Alakaslam wrote:


Vivax (3): IAmRobik, marvellosity, Palmar, justanothertownie, artanis[xP], VisceraEyes, DoctorHelvetica, Sicklucker, geript, ritoky
Superbia (4): artanis[xP], sicklucker, Damdred, Artanis[XP], sicklucker, marvellosity, justanothertownie
IAmRobik (1): geript, Superbia
sicklucker (0): ritoky, superbia
TheChyz (0): Palmar
geript (6): Vivax, Artanis[xP], DoctorHelvetica, Lazermonkey, palmar, VisceraEyes, justanothertownie, Artanis[XP]

Geript is lynched.
Deadline is in

On January 05 2015 09:25 Vivax wrote:
If we shenannie we shenannie onto Robik, like Palmar wants, and cause of this:



Currently rereading geript as I tend to second guess myself as deadline approaches, but the part where he doesn't put Chyz into his PoE no-lynch-pool just looks too bad for my taste. He doesn't argue by scumreading people for reasons, he argues by townreading some with reasons and scumreadin the rest.

But he found a reason to townread TheChyz previously and somehow decided to simply not talk about him again and try to put him into the townpile with his former reasoning. Instead he just throws away his opinion of him being town which he had during D1 with no mention why.

On January 14 2015 21:24 KelsierSC wrote:
Reasons why Vivax is scum, you can see it EOD






I think this is a critical post



A summary

He doesn't really want to lynch palmar and he scum reads GB&SL. Yet he decides to vote on the same person as his two scum reads?

Then he basically gives himself a way to sheep artanis, unless artanis votes on the same person as marv...hmm I wonder who that is. oh wait it is his scum partner LM.

and now apparently marv is def mafia...he doesn't give a shit about the people who just fucking voted on town.

Lynch this dude

On January 15 2015 10:24 KelsierSC wrote:
So just to Math this out.

In this situation where a town got mislynched. Tomorrow its 5 vs 3 and mafia can win that day with a mislynch.

If lazer was lynched yesterday and he is mafia. Then tomorrow it is 6 town vs 2 mafia. If mislynch then it goes to 4 town and 2 mafia and mafia will require another mislynch and a day to win the game.

If you want to explain why mafia adds an extra day and tries to get 2 mislynches in a row with less people then go ahead.

On January 14 2015 10:10 KelsierSC wrote:
So just did this to help me out in my brain.

Essentially if you have a red that person scum read you before they died. , if you have a green that person town read you before they died. If you feel that I didn't put a read on then that is ok.
I haven't included replacements because I just don't count their reads
Artanis being universally town read means that his reads will give a +/- 1 either way when he gives his list.




To me there is no way that SL is mafia in this game. we have to lynch vivax at some point.