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sicklucker
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On January 12 2015 23:06 marvellosity wrote: come on, GB. A hard deflection? I don't think anyone was massively surprised at the n2 kills, so it wasn't anything at all that needed deflecting. sl: hold on to me tight, i promise everything will be ok If I say something is odd and the guy just say "yes but let's not talk about it" is a deflection. It doesn't matter if night2 kills where not a surprise. The guy is dismissing an important fact. He agrees with me, marv. If he thought like you, he would say "I disagree, night kills were perfectly done" | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
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Damdred
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On January 12 2015 23:04 sicklucker wrote: We really need to do 12/24 hour cycles slam like in mspaint. disagree totally we need every second to figure out the mafia team. Shorter days favour mafia over town. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
i'm not sure how much you can read into someone going "lol, yeah" when what you mentioned was only really a sidepoint to the main topic at the time | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On January 12 2015 23:12 Damdred wrote: disagree totally we need every second to figure out the mafia team. Shorter days favour mafia over town. i'd say shorter day today would favour mafia, but not necessarily in general. shorter days when things are more settled help prevent impatience and paranoia from town | ||
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GlowingBear
Brazil12446 Posts
On January 12 2015 23:13 marvellosity wrote: well, it could be read that he is dismissing a fact that he doesn't see as particularly important after all. i'm not sure how much you can read into someone going "lol, yeah" when what you mentioned was only really a sidepoint to the main topic at the time Add that to the lack of push from SL to LM. SL, who thought that mafia not shooting him night2 implies he green checked a scum. | ||
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Damdred
15669 Posts
On January 12 2015 23:28 GlowingBear wrote: Add that to the lack of push from SL to LM. SL, who thought that mafia not shooting him night2 implies he green checked a scum. Are you more sure of SL than you are of LM at this point? | ||
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Vivax
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Considering to just sheep DP, cause he was awesome. Then again I laughed for a good while after reading what Artanis wrote, not sure if I'd use it for scumhunting at this point though. GB, can you make something more complete about SL? I have a lot of stuff scattered around in my filter on him. Wanna know if you truly believe what you say cause I'm kinda concerned DP died. Currently still got a question dominating my mind: If SL's plan was to greencheck LM from the start of D2 (cause he said his greencheck was supposed to confuse scum), why did he bother posting lists of scummers twice or thrice that were obviously fake cause LM wasn't in it before he carried out the plan??? I really think his "masterplan" was just a result of getting very nervous about what he was doing, ie fakeclaiming cop. D2 it just looks like he invents one thing over the other. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On January 12 2015 19:35 marvellosity wrote: hey sl. Kill Plam with me? Should be more game-solvey than voting Vivax right now. ##Vote: Palmar That's not how it works marv. And it's strange that you don't know it. You have to actually say why I am mafia. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
Also, you stated before that Marv was 100% scum, then you said later that Marv should read you as town whether he's town or scum implying that you do in fact doubt your read on him. Why and where did that happen? | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16987 Posts
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On January 13 2015 00:05 Palmar wrote: That's not how it works marv. And it's strange that you don't know it. You have to actually say why I am mafia. there's reasons from various people littered all over the thread. You see, actually it is how it works. Pretty sure you've said it yourself - cases are just for herding the sheeple. The fact is your sustained play (purposeful choice of words) over the course of the game means the sheeple don't need something pretty to convince them. | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On January 13 2015 00:07 Palmar wrote: Like I get the idea "hey let's vote palmar so he defends himself". But you have to give at least one reason as to why I am scum. Otherwise you're just killing me for... I have no idea what. l2r | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On January 12 2015 23:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Your case on GB was most curious Don't know what you mean by curious. It's super townie if you know how brains work. If I am mafia, I already know GB's alignment, so why would I bother with the whole "start out piling some scum points on him, pretend to read more, then completely flip my conclusion and call him town". Like I'm not good enough at scum to do that. Now obviously you can argue this, but I'd think that because I have perfect information as mafia, I wouldn't have bothered with the whole changing my mind in the middle of the post/filter read. I think I'd rather have tried to strengthen whichever conclusion I wanted to reach by mostly citing examples pointing in that one direction. Stopping mid-filter when I feel confident he's town after questioning some of his early stuff, is something not many mafia would do. On January 12 2015 23:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: And your case against Damdred dubious What do you think of Damdred? Do you disagree that he's played this game very much in the background? He's not taken any kind of a leadership role in town and even now, with just a handful of players remaining, almost nothing he has written really stands out. Sure, voting superbia on day 2 builds the case for him being town somewhat (also, remember, I didn't know superbia was mafia when I wrote my stuff on Damdred, as he hadn't flipped). But it all depends on whether or not we think superbia actually had a real chance to die that day. Also, I cba checking, but was geript firmly in the lead? or was Vivax right there? We may have to check that. On January 12 2015 23:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: You helped lynch Geript, a member of our town So what? Being wrong on my first target happens all the time. Weren't you on his wagon too? I made a case, I believed in it, geript's non-response made me want to go through with it. Do you doubt that I believed geript was mafia? Or at least he had a good chance of being one? On January 12 2015 23:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote: What have you done this game that hasn't made us frown? On December 31 2014 22:48 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Palmar confirmed town for making me laugh. I also kinda agree that we haven't really had a Geript moment of insight yet, which reminds me a bit of LXI where he just waddled through. I would like to hear Geript's dumb reasons for considering Dr.Helvetica town. 100% defense. Confirmed town. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On January 13 2015 00:19 sicklucker wrote: Ok palmer and its a big one. In a 366 page game not one post you made has helped us find scum. This makes you scum 1st of all, read my filter. There's a ton of reads in there. And I got geript lynched. I mean, he turned out to be town, but at least I did something. What have you done? | ||
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marvellosity
United Kingdom36160 Posts
On January 13 2015 00:25 Palmar wrote: Don't know what you mean by curious. It's super townie if you know how brains work. If I am mafia, I already know GB's alignment, so why would I bother with the whole "start out piling some scum points on him, pretend to read more, then completely flip my conclusion and call him town". Like I'm not good enough at scum to do that. Now obviously you can argue this, but I'd think that because I have perfect information as mafia, I wouldn't have bothered with the whole changing my mind in the middle of the post/filter read. I think I'd rather have tried to strengthen whichever conclusion I wanted to reach by mostly citing examples pointing in that one direction. Stopping mid-filter when I feel confident he's town after questioning some of his early stuff, is something not many mafia would do. You're absolutely self-aware enough to do this Palmar. C'mon. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On January 13 2015 00:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Palmar, you were very clear in that Marv should townread you after your defense. What meta read do you believe he has on you and why did you say he should already have a townread on you to begin with? Also, you stated before that Marv was 100% scum, then you said later that Marv should read you as town whether he's town or scum implying that you do in fact doubt your read on him. Why and where did that happen? Marv is the big x factor this game. At 2-3 occasions I've basically jumped up "aha, marv must be mafia", but then he keeps being reasonable and I can't convince myself he's 100% mafia. Like he does some weird things, but comes back to sound reasonable again. He reacted almost exactly the way I did to the ritoky claim (ie: we get the counterclaim, we lynch whoever is less believable). The last time I started thinking he might be town was when he posted this: On January 08 2015 20:10 marvellosity wrote: this post is reasonable. I can't remember who it was but there was a game recently where someone made this long, terrible case on me, quoting a bunch of posts where i'm umming and ahhing. Because it's 100% true, it's a very reasonable post by me, and marv takes it as such. The only sort-of-weird thing is that DP was much quicker to pick up on how amazing that post was than marv, which might mean marv was parroting him, might mean MARV NOT READ SO GOOD TAKE TIME, or maybe he just wasn't around. But yeah, I see no scenario, even if I'm cop checked green that I'm leading a lynch on marv today. I think, by far, the best target is Damdred, and I have to read Vivax and LM. I keep forgetting LM actually exists, which sometimes means people are mafia. | ||
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Palmar
Iceland22632 Posts
On January 13 2015 00:30 marvellosity wrote: You're absolutely self-aware enough to do this Palmar. C'mon. You think more of my scumplay than I do. Maybe I am? I do admit I like to go for the contradictory play when I'm mafia (ie: shoot the people who call me town and then go "I'D BE INSANE TO SHOOT MY ONLY SUPPORTER!!!!!") Which reminds me, I'd be crazy to shoot DP who actually had brains enough to call me town (I think he did). | ||
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