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Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 12 2015 16:08 GMT
#7341
On January 13 2015 01:04 marvellosity wrote:
Palmar do you understand how your play this game hasn't really fitted into either your usual town or mafia frameworks?

Yes, sort of.

In fact, on the surface there is one trait that (can be reasonably explained) that should make me 100% mafia this game by a certain metric I know you use.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 12 2015 16:10 GMT
#7342
On January 13 2015 01:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2015 00:53 Palmar wrote:
On January 13 2015 00:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 12 2015 23:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And your case against Damdred dubious


What do you think of Damdred?

Do you disagree that he's played this game very much in the background? He's not taken any kind of a leadership role in town and even now, with just a handful of players remaining, almost nothing he has written really stands out.

Sure, voting superbia on day 2 builds the case for him being town somewhat (also, remember, I didn't know superbia was mafia when I wrote my stuff on Damdred, as he hadn't flipped). But it all depends on whether or not we think superbia actually had a real chance to die that day. Also, I cba checking, but was geript firmly in the lead? or was Vivax right there? We may have to check that.

I think you're right in that he's mostly been in the background. He's been a question mark for me most of the game. He played a good Day 1 where he drew conclusions (albeit the wrong ones initially, town on ritoky/scum on Dr.H), asked a lot of questions and seemed to be on the hunt for information. On Day 2 he was on the right lynch as well but he hasn't been very impactful, no, and that leaves him in the question mark area. He was the second person to get on Superbia after me when there was no idea if it was going to take off or not.


The reason he's a question mark for you and literally everyone else in the game,is that Damdred hasn't said or done anything of value throughout the game.

Asking questions with no intention of followup isn't at all townie.


Like Marv said, he's pushed Superbia on D2 and he's been pushing LM ever since. Speaking of which, I'd still like to hear your opinion on LM. I'd also like examples of questions from Damdred that you feel were pointless or without followup.


I need to read LM's filter.

The examples of Damdred's weird questions were in my big post on him. Do you really need me to dig it up for you?

On January 13 2015 01:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2015 00:57 Palmar wrote:
On January 13 2015 00:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 31 2014 20:52 Palmar wrote:
On January 12 2015 23:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You helped lynch Geript, a member of our town


So what? Being wrong on my first target happens all the time. Weren't you on his wagon too? I made a case, I believed in it, geript's non-response made me want to go through with it.

Do you doubt that I believed geript was mafia? Or at least he had a good chance of being one?

Of course I doubt it, because I think there's a good chance you're scum. I was on the wagon reluctantly because I felt he was a better lynch than Vivax and it looked like Superbia wasn't going to get lynched when I went to bed.

Chicken and egg bro.

If you decide I'm mafia and then look at my actions through that lens, we're gonna have a bad time.

You should first go read my push on geript, responses to it etc, and THEN you should decide if I am mafia because of it. You cannot scumhunt backwards. That's called guessing.

I always feel like there's two narratives for every person; a Town narrative and a Scum narrative. If you try hard enough either can fit. The problem is that with your filter and approach to the game I feel a scum narrative is more likely to be the case. I'm trying out both lenses but to confront you with the town narrative for your actions wouldn't really help establish my read on you any better.


Well fine, as long as you actually accept my answers and reconsider if now maybe the town narrative fits.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 12 2015 16:12 GMT
#7343
On January 13 2015 01:08 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2015 01:04 marvellosity wrote:
Palmar do you understand how your play this game hasn't really fitted into either your usual town or mafia frameworks?

Yes, sort of.

In fact, on the surface there is one trait that (can be reasonably explained) that should make me 100% mafia this game by a certain metric I know you use.


Like this is almost fun.

Here's a hint: I actually give hardly any fucks this game.
Computer says mafia
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 12 2015 16:12 GMT
#7344
On January 13 2015 01:10 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2015 01:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 13 2015 00:53 Palmar wrote:
On January 13 2015 00:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 12 2015 23:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
And your case against Damdred dubious


What do you think of Damdred?

Do you disagree that he's played this game very much in the background? He's not taken any kind of a leadership role in town and even now, with just a handful of players remaining, almost nothing he has written really stands out.

Sure, voting superbia on day 2 builds the case for him being town somewhat (also, remember, I didn't know superbia was mafia when I wrote my stuff on Damdred, as he hadn't flipped). But it all depends on whether or not we think superbia actually had a real chance to die that day. Also, I cba checking, but was geript firmly in the lead? or was Vivax right there? We may have to check that.

I think you're right in that he's mostly been in the background. He's been a question mark for me most of the game. He played a good Day 1 where he drew conclusions (albeit the wrong ones initially, town on ritoky/scum on Dr.H), asked a lot of questions and seemed to be on the hunt for information. On Day 2 he was on the right lynch as well but he hasn't been very impactful, no, and that leaves him in the question mark area. He was the second person to get on Superbia after me when there was no idea if it was going to take off or not.


The reason he's a question mark for you and literally everyone else in the game,is that Damdred hasn't said or done anything of value throughout the game.

Asking questions with no intention of followup isn't at all townie.


Like Marv said, he's pushed Superbia on D2 and he's been pushing LM ever since. Speaking of which, I'd still like to hear your opinion on LM. I'd also like examples of questions from Damdred that you feel were pointless or without followup.


I need to read LM's filter.

The examples of Damdred's weird questions were in my big post on him. Do you really need me to dig it up for you?

Show nested quote +
On January 13 2015 01:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 13 2015 00:57 Palmar wrote:
On January 13 2015 00:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On December 31 2014 20:52 Palmar wrote:
On January 12 2015 23:02 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
You helped lynch Geript, a member of our town


So what? Being wrong on my first target happens all the time. Weren't you on his wagon too? I made a case, I believed in it, geript's non-response made me want to go through with it.

Do you doubt that I believed geript was mafia? Or at least he had a good chance of being one?

Of course I doubt it, because I think there's a good chance you're scum. I was on the wagon reluctantly because I felt he was a better lynch than Vivax and it looked like Superbia wasn't going to get lynched when I went to bed.

Chicken and egg bro.

If you decide I'm mafia and then look at my actions through that lens, we're gonna have a bad time.

You should first go read my push on geript, responses to it etc, and THEN you should decide if I am mafia because of it. You cannot scumhunt backwards. That's called guessing.

I always feel like there's two narratives for every person; a Town narrative and a Scum narrative. If you try hard enough either can fit. The problem is that with your filter and approach to the game I feel a scum narrative is more likely to be the case. I'm trying out both lenses but to confront you with the town narrative for your actions wouldn't really help establish my read on you any better.

If they're in your case on him I guess I'll reread it myself. God damn, the effort you require of me is enormous.
Well fine, as long as you actually accept my answers and reconsider if now maybe the town narrative fits.

Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12973 Posts
January 12 2015 16:14 GMT
#7345
I need to work on my quoting it seems. I accidentally put the sentence on top of the quote rather then below it. It should read:
If they're in your case on him I guess I'll reread it myself. God damn, the effort you require of me is enormous.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 12 2015 16:15 GMT
#7346
linky: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23536478
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 12 2015 16:17 GMT
#7347
On March 27 2014 08:11 marvellosity wrote:
Mainly Palmar is not playing the game at all. He has 6 pages of filter, but he's literally not playing. The big problem is that he is pretending to play. You'll find quotes littered from me across various games giving 3 scenarios for Palmar:

1) he tries hard and he is productive. He is town.
2) he blatantly doesn't give a shit and doesn't hide the fact he is not productive. He is town.
3) he looks like he's playing the game a bit but in reality is unproductive. He is mafia.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 12 2015 16:18 GMT
#7348
reverse mafia: why do I best fit 3) and am still town this game?
Computer says mafia
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 12 2015 16:19 GMT
#7349
On January 13 2015 01:12 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2015 01:08 Palmar wrote:
On January 13 2015 01:04 marvellosity wrote:
Palmar do you understand how your play this game hasn't really fitted into either your usual town or mafia frameworks?

Yes, sort of.

In fact, on the surface there is one trait that (can be reasonably explained) that should make me 100% mafia this game by a certain metric I know you use.


Like this is almost fun.

Here's a hint: I actually give hardly any fucks this game.

yup, and that's the townside.

it's the half-hearted, intermittent giving of fucks that is more the issue. oddly to anyone else i guess.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 12 2015 16:20 GMT
#7350
On January 13 2015 01:19 marvellosity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2015 01:12 Palmar wrote:
On January 13 2015 01:08 Palmar wrote:
On January 13 2015 01:04 marvellosity wrote:
Palmar do you understand how your play this game hasn't really fitted into either your usual town or mafia frameworks?

Yes, sort of.

In fact, on the surface there is one trait that (can be reasonably explained) that should make me 100% mafia this game by a certain metric I know you use.


Like this is almost fun.

Here's a hint: I actually give hardly any fucks this game.

yup, and that's the townside.

it's the half-hearted, intermittent giving of fucks that is more the issue. oddly to anyone else i guess.

Yeah, I get that.

Now the big question is, can you actually figure out why this might be?
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 12 2015 16:21 GMT
#7351
I could tell you, but that would ruin the game.
Computer says mafia
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 12 2015 16:21 GMT
#7352
is the answer going to be illuminatingly alignment indicative in some way?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 12 2015 16:22 GMT
#7353
as an aside, this is why people think we're weird.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 12 2015 16:23 GMT
#7354
On January 13 2015 01:21 marvellosity wrote:
is the answer going to be illuminatingly alignment indicative in some way?

Maybe.

Well it's going to explain exactly the behavior you described (because I am self-aware enough to know how I've played this game).
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 12 2015 16:23 GMT
#7355
On January 13 2015 01:22 marvellosity wrote:
as an aside, this is why people think we're weird.

yeah I know.
Computer says mafia
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 12 2015 16:25 GMT
#7356
if it was to do with the length of the game, i wouldn't expect the intermittent fucks.

nor do i think it's to do with pressure or not on you.

uh
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 12 2015 16:27 GMT
#7357
On January 13 2015 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
if it was to do with the length of the game, i wouldn't expect the intermittent fucks.

nor do i think it's to do with pressure or not on you.

uh

Yes, neither is correct.
Computer says mafia
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 12 2015 16:28 GMT
#7358
On January 13 2015 00:29 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2015 00:19 sicklucker wrote:
Ok palmer and its a big one. In a 366 page game not one post you made has helped us find scum. This makes you scum

1st of all, read my filter. There's a ton of reads in there. And I got geript lynched.

I mean, he turned out to be town, but at least I did something. What have you done?



you know... identified pushed all game and got two mafia lynched?
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
January 12 2015 16:29 GMT
#7359
On January 13 2015 01:27 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2015 01:25 marvellosity wrote:
if it was to do with the length of the game, i wouldn't expect the intermittent fucks.

nor do i think it's to do with pressure or not on you.

uh

Yes, neither is correct.

you're gonna have to help a bro out
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
January 12 2015 16:30 GMT
#7360
On January 13 2015 01:28 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 13 2015 00:29 Palmar wrote:
On January 13 2015 00:19 sicklucker wrote:
Ok palmer and its a big one. In a 366 page game not one post you made has helped us find scum. This makes you scum

1st of all, read my filter. There's a ton of reads in there. And I got geript lynched.

I mean, he turned out to be town, but at least I did something. What have you done?



you know... identified pushed all game and got two mafia lynched?

ritoky got himself lynched.

But ok, maybe I'm mostly ignoring your posts. I thought it was robik who got superbia lynched.
Computer says mafia
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