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On December 31 2014 09:26 Koshi wrote:The game was balanced around 21 people btw. Show nested quote +On December 30 2014 08:01 Koshi wrote: Yeah you can have 2 static kp vs 3 save roles. But this game is supposed to be low on blues.
15 vs 6 with a 2 shot town vigi and a 1 shot scum vigi is balanced I think. And the prs currently in the OP.
If the town vigi hits 2 towns scum wins after 3ml when there are no saves. (town needs 6 correct lynches) If the town vigi hits 1 scum/1town scum wins with 4 ml when there are no saves. (town needs 5 correct lynches) If the town vigi hits 2 scums the game ends with 5 ml when there are no saves (town needs 4 correct lynches) Now with 15 vs 5 if town hits 1 scum / 1 town, town still loses with 3 ml and they need 5 correct lynches. So... this game got a lot harder on town. Also this.
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Just force someone to /in. And give us either 2 normal one shot vigs or a 2 shot. I really think this random bullshit will cause unnecessary drama.
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Reason: Your mechanic adds randomness where it is not needed. Randomness in a game of mafia sucks.
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On December 31 2014 09:33 Superbia wrote: Maybe only RNG if both shots are on town or both on scum. Else only let the shot through on scum if 1 shot on mafia and 1 shot on town. Free green check if both vigis are donkey.
Yeah, it's weird as fuck. But it's fun. I dislike this even more. Just give us a normal 2 shot vig or 2 normal one shot vigs. Jesus.
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On December 31 2014 09:38 Artanis[Xp] wrote: A bright person once said "Keep it simple, stupid." This is a normal game. Let's not add in more variables like vig RNGs and stuff like that, please. ^
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I would rather flame our vigis for playing/shooting badly than you for refunding the wrong shot.
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Because one of those possibilities revolves around playing mafia and one doesn't.
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And if you are worried about it just do what Koshi said and make one 2 shot vig?
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On December 31 2014 09:45 Koshi wrote: For 20 you could remove the vigi for town, and give scum a 2 shot vigi and play 15 vs 5.
15 vs 5 14 vs 5 ml 12 vs 5 (scum nk + scum vigi) 11 vs 5 ml 9 vs 5 (scum nk + scum vigi) 8 vs 5 ml 7 vs 5 6 vs 5 ml 5 vs 5 at the end of N4 without saves.
This means doc needs to save twice to give town a 5th ml. This means scum got 2 kills for the first 2 nights to disrupt towncircles. 1 docsave means that town can try on D5 to lynch a scum. so they go in a lylo situation. With no saves they don't get that try.
So, 15 town with doc and cop against 5 scum with rb, framer and 2 shot scum vigi?
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Shouldn't we at least cut the framer there?
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On December 31 2014 09:52 Koshi wrote: Also, rb + framer + 2 unaware millers seem a bit high against a doc/cop.
I would remove the rb then? or the 2 millers? I dnu.
Your setup :-) Yeah, my thoughts exactly.
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On December 31 2014 09:53 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 09:52 Koshi wrote: Also, rb + framer + 2 unaware millers seem a bit high against a doc/cop.
I would remove the rb then? or the 2 millers? I dnu.
Your setup :-) well yeah, now that scum has a bunch of kp removing the rb makes sense. Framer is awesome, I agree with you. I like wifom hey sorry about that jat No problem. Cutting rb works too. I just think rb and framer is too much.
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Hi thread. Most importantly I agree very much with those 3 posts:
On December 31 2014 20:50 marvellosity wrote: let's kill ritoky. he pushed absolute bullshit reasons for all his scumreads in Carol and was generally unwarrantedly aggressive. I can't believe he's so dumb to push something for 10+ posts here which was a joke.
Literally the only hesitation is that I can't believe he would play exactly the same for another game running.
Nothing else is very interesting. Chyz gets time. DrH didn't demonstrate Chyz was mafia, just maybe that he made a read he shouldn't have. tbc.
On December 31 2014 20:55 marvellosity wrote: yeah NYE is a terrible time to start in the end.
I am a bit suspicious of geript too, but I don't know if it's because he's actually scummy. His wanting a bunch of ppl to turn up because he's so good at reading them reminds me of Russia Today where he said very similar things about being good town and being able to read certain people. but maybe he can do it as town also, just i haven't seen anything else to make me think he's town this game. tbc.
On December 31 2014 20:52 Palmar wrote: Btw, as I'm probably going to be mostly unavailable today (it's new year's eve... why did we even start?). I'll just throw out very much not curated thoughts I had while reading up to like page... 16?
I'll catch up with the rest later.
geript is sort of scummy in some respects. I have no idea why 20 minutes into the game he started wishing for random people to be there to talk to him. Also, everything he says is sort of... too clean? not dumb enough? I don't know how to describe it and it's just a feeling based on memory, I haven't gone back and re-read, so I'd need to confirm.
Eden came off strong and he said something I thought was really dumb.
DrH is probably town, and he had a post that made me feel good about that read.
Damdred is probably town too. He too has a post I can't remember that made me think "oh that looks like a townie".
Koshi overreacting on this page (21) to DrH's dismissal of koshi's defense was kinda mafia. Idk though.
I should probably just sheep marv and lynch him if he's wrong. That's always a fine strategy.
Remember, these reads I'm just throwing out literally from memory of having read like 4-6 pages this morning. Don't pretend these are some concrete observations. Geript really reminds me of russian mafia were he also highly overexaggerated his own play early on. I don't remember him doing it as town so far. Ritoky just tunneled Dr. H with some bullshit reasoning that he doesn't even believe is scummy. What is the point in pushing it then? The answer is there is no point.
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On January 01 2015 00:24 geript wrote: My initial reaction to Marv was that I think he's mafia. I'll figure it out later on for sure. And I don't have great reasons why I think this, but I do have a 100% read on Marv. Explain.
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On December 31 2014 16:22 Alakaslam wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 14:54 sicklucker wrote: Mspaint. and No.
So like a scum dandred wont make a midnight opening joke post about him being mafia. Like who starts a mafia game at midnight. Scum would be more inclined to lurk untill tomorrow.
Im getting a slight town read from it. Dont see how you can get a strong read either way as in to like vote him. Awkward start of the game votes at the first thing they read piss me off. it still ain't midnight in imperial sson Get out slam. Please don't talk with people as host.
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On December 31 2014 17:09 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 16:59 ritoky wrote:On December 31 2014 15:06 DoctorHelvetica wrote: What's up nerds. Let's talk policy - unlike a lot of people I think it's plenty useful on Day 1.
I believe strongly in Lynch All Liars. On December 31 2014 15:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I dont usually support policy lynches but anyone caught in a lie deserves intense scrutiny and questioning imo I mean it's only 5 or so posts after his big deal about policy lynching and he is already softening and backing down on it. Also I understand that his initial post on policy is pretty specific to claims and people lying about claims; but some of his later posts indicate to me that he wants to lynch people shitting up the thread and lying in general as an extension of his initial post. I am going to try to stop tunneling so hard for now though, I generally dislike people who really push policy; so I might have some bias. Oh, I finally get what's happening. I wasn't softening or backing down on anything - there was nothing to begin with. I don't care what anyone thinks about any policy. When I said "I strongly believe" it was just the first words that popped into my mind. When I say lying I don't mean rhetorical contradictions necessarily (because I'm prone to them by mistake) or errors, but more specifically fake claims or lying about night actions. When town does this it immediately starts a huge bandwagon and derails the thread. Seeing as I have been in many games where some brilliant townies tried to do this and it turned out badly I do have some genuine concerns but they mean nothing in the context of this game. What does matter and what IS the point is the conversations, accusations, cases that follow. I think of those fluff and policy posts as the spark to start the mafia game proper. I'm not trying to push any kind of conversation or discussion or anything about any sort of actual policy itself. I hope you can understand this. I can see why you would make this mistake and I have not played in a game with so many players unfamiliar with these kinds of things out of me in a long time, so I guess I should be very clear about things like this? Ironically you are talking to someone who build up a reputation to be such a brilliant townie.
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Ok, Damdred. Marv and you just gave meta reads on ritoky that are the exact opposite of each other for the same game. Do I really need to read his filter there now?
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Hi, Robik. I like your contributions so far.
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Same same. Doing fine. Won't be around as much as usual today obviously. Any thoughts about the game at hand?
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Chyz you are literally OMGUSing every new guy that calls you scum aren't you?
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