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On January 02 2015 09:41 Koshi wrote: The reason why scum is not trowing more dirt on Chyz is because Dr.H. is one of them. That is so fucking possible. I don't really get posts like these cause they are just paranoid intermezzos. Like, if you want to make a point and have an opinion based on something in-game, then go and make it. But say "x is y cause it's possible" doesn't really help anyone figure something out, you only masturbate your inner crackhead. | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Post I just posted and this Ok but that doesn't instantly make me convinced he's scum. I see no real explanations of what his scum mentality is supposed to be. Your main argument here is that he's not trying hard enough but from my point of view I don't have a grasp of what super tryhard town geript is supposed to be so it doesn't quite sway me. If I saw the arguments on TheChyz compared to what you are using here I would instantly pick Chyz cause of his incoherence in his view on DrH which displays more that he's making stuff up since he incorrectly describes what he's been doing himself. A good towntell I use is when someone remembers well the situation he was in at a certain point, and TheChyz displays that he has a flawed recall of the situation DrH brings up. | ||
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On January 02 2015 09:58 Lazermonkey wrote: I'm going to bed pretty soon. Maybe I can set alarm for lynch but I can't guarantee that. We really should consolidate though. Aim for only 2 candidates to chose between. Otherwise scum votes are much more powerful (relatively speaking). I think geript should die, but am willing to kill Chyz and maybe Vivax also. I'd prefer to keep Vivax untill tomorrow since he came into the thread relatively late. I don't really get this since you recently kept bringing up scenarios where TheChyz tilted as town. Why do you want to kill geript again? | ||
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Something more concrete like the points on Chyz would be appreciated, provided you really want to convince me on geript. At least the first half of his filter didn't scream mafia to me so if you had to bring up non-meta-stuff, what would it be? | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:05 KelsierSC wrote: I have my initial case on geript in my filter. Koshi.made an awesome casse against vivax framing chyz "why is he defeated easily" or something like.thst. Plus.koshinhad other reasons Are you drunk? I still don't know what Koshi meant there with me being scum cause I wondered why Chyz tilted so quickly, maybe you can clear that up. | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:08 KelsierSC wrote: On my phone and had a few Yeh just read koshi's case on you with that framin post it is a great read. I laughed after reading this. Like I giggled after reading DrH's posts with the typos. | ||
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On January 02 2015 05:38 marvellosity wrote: "I don't mind x" or "I have no issues with y" are not reasons for people not to be mafia, Artanis. Quite often the opposite actually. Great post. In general. On January 02 2015 05:40 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Notice how thechyz handles actuallyb eing lynched and how he tilts over being tunneled by one player in this game. geript who he says is one of his top reads has the bandwagon and he doesn't want to move the needle on that even when i agree? Also great post. Makes me feel like Chyz's outburst wasn't warranted for a townie. This is all during that "geript" and "marv's list" stuff. Then there's this, from geript: Look Here's my specific issues with the list. I'm in PoE, which I guess is explainable. Batsnacks idk. Haven't seen traps but as I recall he hasn't really be doing much of anything. When I reread sicklucker I think he might be town. I forget why, but it wasn't terribly memorable. Bat/rit both feel like coin flips instead of solid PoE targets. Plus, he's got Eden and kelsier as town. Kelsier might be when I reread him before crashing last night, but Eden's in a weird spot. I don't think Eden's town. It's even more troublesome that Marv finds Robik to be town. Robik is 0% town. Serioiusly. Town Robik is all over the place. He's aggressive. He does stuff. He pushes opinions. He's an overall jackass (much like myself sometimes). This game Robik doesn't care whatsoever. Robik hasn't posted much and he doesn't care. That's quite definitive of his scumplay. Koshi, he might be town, he might be scum. I'm really unsure because he's so convinced I'm mafia. Maybe it's just me who's exceptionally off this game, but it's really weird that both Koshi and Marv haven't picked up on or pushed Robik. It's really weird that Koshi comes in and thinks Eden is bad and then thinks he gets better. He started bad and then goes into lala land. If I read geripts stuff afterwards it looks mostly like he scumreads marv for putting Robik into the townpile and hence being wrong. If Robik didn't do much I don't see why this would be unnatural for geript to do. So if this is all marv has to offer on geript being scum I'm not in the same boat. This brings back memories of Palmar saying "if geript is town marv is 100 % scum" or something similar, it brings them back cause lately Palmar popped in proposing me as scum after proposing this notion which seems incoherent. Shouldn't he still care more about geript's alignment since in his eyes it'd be a tell for marv? | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote: And omgusing someone for having a null read is insanely defensive Well if this is your view on geript why don't you feel as confident on him as you are on TheChyz? It seems like you have quite the drive to convince me on voting geript while at the same time not really mentioning him much when umprompted, might be I missed something though as I'm not double checking atm. | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Marv says geript may or may not be scum. Geript says "you're fear lynching me because you're scum". Marv calls him out. Geript backs down and says he was being paranoid because he assumed Marv was scum. Then he calls Marv scum again and uses the old fear lynching as evidence again.... being that defensive over a null read look bad too. you don't think so? If you put it like that it just looks like two people doing and saying dumb things, but maybe it's cause I'm halfway drunk. M: You maybe scum. G: You want to lynch me cause your're scum. M: U wot m8. G: Sorry I didn't mean it cause I thought you were scum. G: Oh well actually you're scum cause you want to lynch me cause you don't want me to lynch you. Ehhhh | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:41 DoctorHelvetica wrote: That's not quite how it plays out. What the fuck has geript contributed to this game? He's about to be lynched and he's popping in absolute fluff. There's even a small amount of traction on marv but he's not doinganything to capitalize on that.= like he would if he really believed it. if geript reallyb elieved it he wouldn't shut up about it either. he even uses the same term "fear lynching" again . Well he has contributed more than me or RoL for example but the matter of fact is: Did he fake contribute? The slam dunk part here seems to be that he's not contributing more than his town standard and that he tried to contribute when faced with marv's nullness by calling marv scum. From my own experience I know that calling marv scum is a very ballsy thing to do as he has some sort of wizardry that makes him seem important but in this case I can't tell if it's fake from geript. | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:46 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I know I made a terrible impression with my behavior but I think that has unfairly skewed how people are looking at what I'm saying about chyz. In every accusation chyz makes he qualifies it by saying "im a hypocrite". he's saying he's guilty of the same behavior of the people he's accusing and then flipping it in his posts to make me look bad because i'm focused on them instead of him. again he accuses me (one post that he said was a joke). ten seconds later he calls me really scummy and tries to get traction on it in the thread. that fails completely. he goes to bed, wakes up and says he was actually fine with me the whole time. that i was trying to scum hunt? then says i'm scummy for tunneling him and scummy for being a bully. but wait, am i really to believe he was kidding when he voted for me and made two more posts about itsupporting his vote and asking the thread if anyone else follows his suspicions. so that was just a joke? if it wasn't serious why are we letting that slide regardless? then he comes in even later and says he actually did find me scummy during and it was after he woke up that he decided i was town....but that's not what he said at all when he actually did wake up. he was appealing to geript to make me look scummy again. meta is totally different as i said before and his case on lm and his read on eden are full of fishy shit I would probably use 1/10s of the words you use but that's more or less what I noticed too. | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote: i lost too many brain cells over the years Pls don't remind me of that feeling, I get it too often | ||
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On January 02 2015 10:50 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Vivax: Concrete things I didn't like about Geript. -Holding back information until questioned (read reasons on Dr.H, read reasons on Koshi) -Laying out lines and never getting back to them (questioned me on what I thought of sl/eden/kels, never got back to me when I expanded upon it, so I pulled him back on it and it felt like he didn't have much thought behind it) -Doesn't care about getting lynched + Show Spoiler + On January 01 2015 05:44 geript wrote: Lots of people seem to think that I'm the lynch. Kinda scary because I doubt many people will actually ahve read the thread by the end of the day or half of it and most of the vets seem to be on that train. But meh. I really dgaf about that. People are just historically bad at reading me correctly. -A large part of his filter is just.. not saying anything. I mean scroll through it, put up a notepad and fill in what you've learned. -Throws suspicion in every which way but doesn't pursue anything. + Show Spoiler [examples] + On January 02 2015 04:23 geript wrote: First off, I'm really surprised that more people don't want to lynch Robik. New Years has fucked with us all I imagine in addition to the surprise start, but Town!Robik tends to play quite differently. He's aggressive; he bounces all over the place. He makes huge sweeping townreads that are the craziest shit I've ever seen. He's really passive. Nothing "turns his wheel" so to speak. Usually he'd be on something like a dog in heat by now. That's my first read. On January 02 2015 04:48 geript wrote: In looking at some of Lazer's past games, he's probably an ok lynch. Marv is right on that he's pretty much a background player. On January 02 2015 04:54 geript wrote: This is out of place in where I am int he thread. But I'm pretty sure that this is kinda exactly why I've been called scum this game. At least in part. Pretty odd that Eden defines that as my scumplay. The other thing about Eden that's been bugging me is that specific weird heuristics get dropped from the scene for no reason. Usually when town goes ham, they go ham. But there's a specific level of crazy but not too crazy that makes me think that Eden is probably a pretty good lynch as well. On January 02 2015 05:32 geript wrote: I don't like this list at all Marv. Back to scumpile. 4 different scumreads within the timeframe of an hour. Doesn't really follow up on anything but Marv, of which he just nitpicks the list and talks about fear lynching. -Excuses - Has a 6 page filter, yet talks about how he's busy. + Show Spoiler + On January 02 2015 06:03 geript wrote: I don't want to get lynched but I'm busy. Plus, I don't think people are going to listen to what I have to say whatsoever unless I get lynched. Granted most people will likely forget it and some people will likely just dismiss it. But just promise me to look back at my list and think about it. I'll try to be back later to explain things in more detail. But I still haven't had a shower or anything to eat or drink yet today and I have a shitton of stuff to do and I really want to play league. That's pretty much it. I'm still going to look into the filters of Chyz and Vivax to see if they're better lynches and make up my mind. DrH/Artanis I'm like at point two looking for the part where you say geript doesn't go back to his own lines or something like that and i'm way too alcohol stoned to do that right now but I swear I tried so if you don't mind I'll call it a night and stick to TheChyz cause in my guts it fells like the right choice from the bits I've gathered. Cheers. | ||
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On January 02 2015 11:12 geript wrote: It's not a fucking defense. It's the truth. There's a point when people become so hung up in their own bad logic and reasoning that many times the best solution is to force them out of it. There's really not a good way for me to do that other than die. Plus, if I by some miracle don't get lynched, then every day I'm alive people will be 100% focusing on something that's absolutely worthless. Mafia isn't just about finding mafia. Sometimes it's also assessing the situation and making the right play. If it's the bold play or the selfless play or what not, I do what I fucking think is right for town. So yah. I've posted my thoughts. I've made sure that people know where I stand on things. Koshi's read on Vivax is actually quite solid IMO. That said, town also needs to move the fuck on. You can't force people out of bad logic, you just apply your own until they listen to it or you flip and then they listen to it, that's my policy as town. and honestly I have no idea why you're voting for me. | ||
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