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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 03 2015 22:59 GMT
#3141
On January 04 2015 07:57 ritoky wrote:
whole crapload of pages behind,

##vote: sicklucker

unless i see anything as i catch up that makes him not pretty much automatic mafia


LIKE IM NOT GETTING VOTED OUT TODAY CONTRIBUTE TO THIS GAME OR YOUR CLAIMING SCUM.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 03 2015 22:59 GMT
#3142
On January 04 2015 07:52 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2015 07:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Why do you think Robik's town though?


His eod vote. If gerits town robiks 100% town no reason to make that switch in a two town race bad players see that as scummy . Even if gerits not town its not that likely robik would throw in that preemptive vote to keep his partner from getting hammered because no one wanted to change at the time but it is possible just alot less likely.

Robik can be confirmed with a gerit flip so we never kill robik before him anyway.

Marv was the first to defend me so I give him mad town points hes been pretty useful regardless of his filter size.
The one problem I have with him is I feel him and palmer are always mafia together and palmers looking like shit.

Hmmm. It could be for exactly this argument, but you're right. If Geript is green that does help clear Robik a bit, but I wouldn't say he's confirmed town for it. I missed JAT in your town list though and he went above and beyond the call of duty by organizing a switch onto Bats. Do you also consider him cleared if Geript flips green?
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 03 2015 23:00 GMT
#3143
Vote for vivax then geript
RIP Aaliyah
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
January 03 2015 23:01 GMT
#3144
On January 04 2015 07:50 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2015 07:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
When 6 people vote immediately I tend to think "confident" "hes town cause he already has this read"


Scum feel the need to say hey wait a minute guys....we all know there is a lot of time left today. Many other things are being discussed. Who is in a huff about an afk lynch? The least active people in this thread are all people not voting for vivax lol


I disagree with this pretty much entirely. Piling up votes on someone minutes into a day favor mafia especially, they can hide their votes without participating it gives town the incentive to not really look at anything else that is going on, (lazy aspect of town) this leads to complacency.

we probably will disagree with each other, but an afk lynch is a bad lynch 100% of the time.

How is it an afk lynch though? Not that this argument impresses me in any way.
On January 04 2015 07:52 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2015 07:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Why do you think Robik's town though?


His eod vote. If gerits town robiks 100% town no reason to make that switch in a two town race bad players see that as scummy . Even if gerits not town its not that likely robik would throw in that preemptive vote to keep his partner from getting hammered because no one wanted to change at the time but it is possible just alot less likely.

Robik can be confirmed with a gerit flip so we never kill robik before him anyway.

Marv was the first to defend me so I give him mad town points hes been pretty useful regardless of his filter size.
The one problem I have with him is I feel him and palmer are always mafia together and palmers looking like shit.

Nothing in this post makes any fucking sense. If geript is town Robik is most certainly not 100 % town. What is this retarded logic. Robik is not confirmed regardless of geripts flip. Marv was not very useful at all and there is no reason why Palmar and Marv should be tied together.
On January 04 2015 07:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Geript - Vivax
sicklucker
damdred - glowingbear

Is my best guess atm. Sorted by confidence of read in tiers

So Robik is town?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 03 2015 23:01 GMT
#3145
On January 04 2015 08:00 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 01 2015 06:30 IAmRobik wrote:
vote: TheChyz


@dandred na I think if robiks scum in a two town race he leaves his vote on thechyz 10/10 times

Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 03 2015 23:02 GMT
#3146
Can't we lynch Superbia first pretty please? He made 8 posts or something since coming back and they were all bad other than the point on Lazer which is okay I guess.
Artanis[Xp]
Profile Blog Joined December 2005
Netherlands12968 Posts
January 03 2015 23:03 GMT
#3147
There is some merit to what he's saying JAT. There's little reason for Robik to switch over last minute if Geript is town too. I wouldn't say it's cleared to the extent that he's claiming though.
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 03 2015 23:04 GMT
#3148
On January 04 2015 08:01 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2015 07:50 Damdred wrote:
On January 04 2015 07:44 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
When 6 people vote immediately I tend to think "confident" "hes town cause he already has this read"


Scum feel the need to say hey wait a minute guys....we all know there is a lot of time left today. Many other things are being discussed. Who is in a huff about an afk lynch? The least active people in this thread are all people not voting for vivax lol


I disagree with this pretty much entirely. Piling up votes on someone minutes into a day favor mafia especially, they can hide their votes without participating it gives town the incentive to not really look at anything else that is going on, (lazy aspect of town) this leads to complacency.

we probably will disagree with each other, but an afk lynch is a bad lynch 100% of the time.

How is it an afk lynch though? Not that this argument impresses me in any way.
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2015 07:52 sicklucker wrote:
On January 04 2015 07:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Why do you think Robik's town though?


His eod vote. If gerits town robiks 100% town no reason to make that switch in a two town race bad players see that as scummy . Even if gerits not town its not that likely robik would throw in that preemptive vote to keep his partner from getting hammered because no one wanted to change at the time but it is possible just alot less likely.

Robik can be confirmed with a gerit flip so we never kill robik before him anyway.

Marv was the first to defend me so I give him mad town points hes been pretty useful regardless of his filter size.
The one problem I have with him is I feel him and palmer are always mafia together and palmers looking like shit.

Nothing in this post makes any fucking sense. If geript is town Robik is most certainly not 100 % town. What is this retarded logic. Robik is not confirmed regardless of geripts flip. Marv was not very useful at all and there is no reason why Palmar and Marv should be tied together.
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2015 07:53 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Geript - Vivax
sicklucker
damdred - glowingbear

Is my best guess atm. Sorted by confidence of read in tiers

So Robik is town?


I guess the only afk on the lynch is Palmar, so its not as bad as I thought it was before I looked at votes.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 03 2015 23:04 GMT
#3149
On January 04 2015 07:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2015 07:52 sicklucker wrote:
On January 04 2015 07:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Why do you think Robik's town though?


His eod vote. If gerits town robiks 100% town no reason to make that switch in a two town race bad players see that as scummy . Even if gerits not town its not that likely robik would throw in that preemptive vote to keep his partner from getting hammered because no one wanted to change at the time but it is possible just alot less likely.

Robik can be confirmed with a gerit flip so we never kill robik before him anyway.

Marv was the first to defend me so I give him mad town points hes been pretty useful regardless of his filter size.
The one problem I have with him is I feel him and palmer are always mafia together and palmers looking like shit.

Hmmm. It could be for exactly this argument, but you're right. If Geript is green that does help clear Robik a bit, but I wouldn't say he's confirmed town for it. I missed JAT in your town list though and he went above and beyond the call of duty by organizing a switch onto Bats. Do you also consider him cleared if Geript flips green?


Ya pretty much. Geript can you step it up dawg?
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 03 2015 23:04 GMT
#3150
I could list plenty of people I'm unsure of. If you want my town reads its you, marv, artanis.

Sicklucker forgot about geript again now that the heat is on his other teammate
RIP Aaliyah
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
January 03 2015 23:05 GMT
#3151
I'm eating oliebollen at the moment. Fuck off.
Minimal effort.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
January 03 2015 23:05 GMT
#3152
Also the vet mafia is either Palmer or DrH. I've been waffling on Marv. Still am in many regards. His D2 play is far more in line w/ his town play so I think I'm just going to ignore D1 due to NYE. Granted, I'll catch heat for thinking DrH is mafia or potentially so, but I think everyone's ignoring how he's acting and thinking. There's agenda behind each post he makes. He's either trying to make it unfun for other people (a tactic he approves of as mafia), he's trying to line up lynches multiple lynches down the road, he tries to bury any sort of productive discussion. As town he's tunnely and generally a pretentious asshole, but he also stops to think at points. He really hasn't considered anyone's reads or points critically. He's one of the most logical players (read LID and his push on Prome as an example) but he's in no way done my that this game.
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 03 2015 23:06 GMT
#3153
Well I dont think it clears jat actually. He could just be setting up the next mislynch so no. He honestly didnt give it much effort it was eden and others that lead bats to getting kill. He kind of just had a thowaway vote on bats seeing what sticks which makes him pretty scummy if gerit is. And the fact he doesint want to see a gerit flip
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 03 2015 23:06 GMT
#3154
On January 04 2015 08:04 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2015 07:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
On January 04 2015 07:52 sicklucker wrote:
On January 04 2015 07:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Why do you think Robik's town though?


His eod vote. If gerits town robiks 100% town no reason to make that switch in a two town race bad players see that as scummy . Even if gerits not town its not that likely robik would throw in that preemptive vote to keep his partner from getting hammered because no one wanted to change at the time but it is possible just alot less likely.

Robik can be confirmed with a gerit flip so we never kill robik before him anyway.

Marv was the first to defend me so I give him mad town points hes been pretty useful regardless of his filter size.
The one problem I have with him is I feel him and palmer are always mafia together and palmers looking like shit.

Hmmm. It could be for exactly this argument, but you're right. If Geript is green that does help clear Robik a bit, but I wouldn't say he's confirmed town for it. I missed JAT in your town list though and he went above and beyond the call of duty by organizing a switch onto Bats. Do you also consider him cleared if Geript flips green?


Ya pretty much. Geript can you step it up dawg?

Lol what the fuck earlier you were begging forntown cred because u were first to push the obvious confirmed scum geript and also the one to hammer his mislynch. Then after you got grilled you said you still scumread geript so what the fuck is this?

Seems you're actually more confident on day 1 after all
RIP Aaliyah
Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
January 03 2015 23:06 GMT
#3155
On January 04 2015 08:01 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2015 08:00 sicklucker wrote:
On January 01 2015 06:30 IAmRobik wrote:
vote: TheChyz


@dandred na I think if robiks scum in a two town race he leaves his vote on thechyz 10/10 times



I will not say this is a good point sl because it would mean i'm validating one of your theories. Do you understand what i'm saying?
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
January 03 2015 23:06 GMT
#3156
On January 04 2015 08:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I could list plenty of people I'm unsure of. If you want my town reads its you, marv, artanis.

Sicklucker forgot about geript again now that the heat is on his other teammate

Why are you so sure about marv?
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
January 03 2015 23:06 GMT
#3157
On January 04 2015 08:04 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
I could list plenty of people I'm unsure of. If you want my town reads its you, marv, artanis.

Sicklucker forgot about geript again now that the heat is on his other teammate


IM THE ONLY ONE WHO SAID I WANT TO VOTE HIM OVER VIVAX????? I know your town but can you please stop being a donkey
justanothertownie
Profile Joined July 2013
16317 Posts
January 03 2015 23:07 GMT
#3158
On January 04 2015 08:06 sicklucker wrote:
Well I dont think it clears jat actually. He could just be setting up the next mislynch so no. He honestly didnt give it much effort it was eden and others that lead bats to getting kill. He kind of just had a thowaway vote on bats seeing what sticks which makes him pretty scummy if gerit is. And the fact he doesint want to see a gerit flip

lol
If I am not starting this batsnacks wagon he is NEVER going to be lynched. Never.
DoctorHelvetica
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States15034 Posts
January 03 2015 23:07 GMT
#3159
On January 04 2015 08:05 geript wrote:
Also the vet mafia is either Palmer or DrH. I've been waffling on Marv. Still am in many regards. His D2 play is far more in line w/ his town play so I think I'm just going to ignore D1 due to NYE. Granted, I'll catch heat for thinking DrH is mafia or potentially so, but I think everyone's ignoring how he's acting and thinking. There's agenda behind each post he makes. He's either trying to make it unfun for other people (a tactic he approves of as mafia), he's trying to line up lynches multiple lynches down the road, he tries to bury any sort of productive discussion. As town he's tunnely and generally a pretentious asshole, but he also stops to think at points. He really hasn't considered anyone's reads or points critically. He's one of the most logical players (read LID and his push on Prome as an example) but he's in no way done my that this game.


Assume the mafia has a vet and it couldnt be rol/ve. Vivax been around a while right? So have you. Are you actually gonna push a single target or maybe vote for vivax? Or do you wanna wait and see if theres any other bandwagons you can hide in/start
RIP Aaliyah
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
January 03 2015 23:08 GMT
#3160
On January 03 2015 13:55 Eden1892 wrote:
OK, verdict is in.

I think sicklucker is town. I don't want to kill him today, maybe ever.

Yes it's derpy as hell that he says he changed his vote off geript to batsnacks because he "wasn't confident" in the read on geript, even though he has multiple posts that basically say geript is definitely mafia. But:

(1) His story on his four town reads is completely consistent and held up despite direct questioning. He had explicitly townread three of them and implicitly townread a fourth well before he justified his vote switch by sheeping his townreads.
(2) Sheeping one's townreads off of a vote you like to another wagon late is definitely something a townie would do, and seems like something a townie is more likely to do than a mafia, because a mafia would be worried about how bad "sheep townreads onto a town flip" would look afterwards.
(3) The stars had to have aligned colossally for sicklucker to be mafia and be able to make any kind of strategic switch to kill batsnacks with the rationale that he sheeped his four most consistent town reads. You can't make this up.


There's a lot of things really wrong with this defense of SL.

1) It is a post-flip justification not a pre-flip justification; there's a large difference there. He waited around until after people brought up points against him to lay out why he decided to vote swap. If he had been forthright then maybe this is a point, he wasn't so it is not.

2) Sheeping the people you read as town is something people do as either alignment particularly when all of them move. The 2nd part of this seems to imply that geript is mafia. If SL is mafia and both geript is town and bats was town, then it looks equally bad regardless of which you finally land on. However this looks really bad because of points I brought up earlier that I will reiterate in a moment.

3) Talk is cheap, post flip-excuses are easy to find. Votes and vote logic or lack thereof are definitive things, SL drastically lacked. This is a person who is SO adamant about his own reads. He spent an entire phase developing a scum read on geript and from everything I have read up until here that read has not evaporated in the slightest. Only to defer to SOMEONE ELSE'S read that is based on meta. Like I cannot get over this. Why would he as town, with the way I remember him playing town, switch from a non-meta read that he devoted effort into developing to someone else's meta read? It makes absolutely no sense, and he is mafia for it.
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