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On January 02 2015 08:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Shockingly, I still want to lynch TheChyz
I will restrict this post to one point and one point only. Unfortunately, town will have to do some reading and yes I will quote him. This entire game is about reading. I'll just go in chronological order of his posts here and pick out only the parts that matter. Don't give me bullshit about taking stuff out of context unless you can demonstrate why the context matters. Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote:
Defend what read? Stop spewing garbage and putting it in peoples mouths. I didn't like how eden is formulating his soft accusations and I haven't dismissed it yet. Is it anything to push on, no? But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another
##vote: DoctorHelvetica Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 17:41 TheChyz wrote:On December 31 2014 17:38 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On December 31 2014 17:36 TheChyz wrote:
Meh now i see how ritoky got caught in that discussion with you it is. I have nothing to prove to you since your threatening me with what? Not following my day 1 talk. sounds fimilar. A bandwagon. I'm nearly 100% convinced that you're mafia. I encourage everyone to vote for you and will spend as much time as I need to convince them and to force you to keep defending yourself over and over again. You don't have to reply to me if you think it's a waste of time. I might not succeed if you just ignore me. Put your money where your mouth is and vote, or do you like to just spew fluff left and right? Show nested quote +On December 31 2014 17:53 TheChyz wrote:
Does anybody else find it strange that after making that case on my and my "garbage" read and all that that when dr.H finally mans up and says that I'm 100% scum and basically will do anything to get me lynched and the proceeds to just leave it at that. No vote, nothing. Seems like he just wants to start a bullshit case on me and hope others latch on. If nothing happens he will probs just drop it. Really scummish to me.
Anybody else have opinions on dr.H? From the third quote especially it's obvious that TheChyz highly suspects me as mafia. "Really scummish to me". Plain as day. He drops this read completely when he refocuses on LazerMonkey and acts as though he never thought I was mafia at all. Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 03:26 TheChyz wrote:
I remember geript making a post about dr.H being a bully when mafia. Does anybody else agree with this? I was fine with dr.H like 8 hours ago because it seemed like he was trying to scum hunt. Now it just looks like hes trying to filter spam the same thing over and over and trying push a vote. In this post he's back to trying to make his suspicion of me more legitimate. But how was he fine with me 8 hours ago? 8 hours ago he voted for me, tried to convince thread I was scum ("Really scummish" in fact). On top of that, he is once again confirming suspicion of me without really outright saying it. What does trying to push a vote mean? Why wouldn't I try to push a vote for someone I suspect highly? He provides zero examples which is inconsistent with his previous town behavior. Show nested quote +On January 01 2015 03:41 TheChyz wrote:On December 31 2014 17:39 TheChyz wrote:
But alas donkeys like you like seeing garbage reads so I thought id give you one. Here's another
##vote: DoctorHelvetica I think it was fairly obvious this wasn't a serious read... And I was really tired and a bit annoyed so wanted to let off a bit of steam. So he's trying to make it seem like he wasn't suspicious before (even though it's obvious he was scumreading me at the time). In his last post it seems that he suspects me again, but here it seems like he doesn't. Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 04:18 TheChyz wrote:
Just quickly dr.H the reason that I changed my opinion on you is that before going to bed that night it reminded me of one of my games where I tunneled somebody for a day because I found his posts suspicious. It turns out we were both town but the point is I find it very hard for a mafia to just tunnel and kinda annoy the thread like you have. Granted its keeping you safe from getting lynched day 1 for now, but it might have just as well backfired and I have very high doubts that scum would do something so risky with almost no reward. The more your tunneling the more it looks like your trying to get votes, but the matter of the fact that you haven't dropped it so far is pretty impressive and I just can't bring myself to believe that scum would do such a thing. That is mainly why my change in heart of you from that time happened. Maybe should have done this earlier to explain that? LOL. So now you're saying, yet again, that you changed your opinion on me overnight. So you did in fact, suspect me before, even though just a bit earlier you said you were fine with me. He is impressed by my tunneling and think it makes me appear very pro-town, so his suspicions from earlier are gone I guess. The reasons he raises suspicion on me in previous posts: 1. Spamming 2. Tunneling too hard The reasons he now claims to think I am town: 1. Spamming 2. Tunneling too hard Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 05:30 TheChyz wrote:On January 02 2015 05:14 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 02 2015 05:10 TheChyz wrote:On January 02 2015 05:05 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 02 2015 05:02 justanothertownie wrote:
Ritoky hasn't impressed me at all since yesterday. His failure to move on from the joke about a policy lynch ir whatever said to me disinterested and bad townie. Scumteam if they weren't totally stupid would tell him not to bring that up again considering he got heat from it before. He's a player I would put in the DT pile, i get stuck in the wifom But don't you find his large post just weird. Not even just the stuff he says inside of it but the format of it. Like he was in no need to give a read on every single person. I just find that pointless because not scum hunting and looks more defensive. Other than being scum and thinking you have heat and just throwing every read you have to try to appease people that your doing something or if you are town and know your going to die to give the rest of town your current reads I see no reason to do that. Therefore he falls into the scummy category, does he not? I just find no reason to talk about everybody instead of only the few which he has a good read/focus on. You're confirmed scum, no reason to have a conversation unless you would like to explain your various lies. You're breaking even further away from your town meta. Why are you buddying up to me to get approval on your read, just post your case and quote mine like i know you're capable of. You dont wanna put in effort for cases you know are crap, your mentality is changed a lot I think all of your cases are just shit meh cases that your trying to grasp a hold onto anything and make it be like. Oh he said this thing which I have nothing to say but it came at a WRONG TIME that seems opportunistic. Also almost all of your scum reads and town reads a few hours ago where mostly. "good things about chyz said" = scum, "bad things about chyz said" = town. THis game has been so unpleasant with you which is mostly why I'm ignore your shit posts on me. I really hope scum kills me night 1 so that can shut you up tbh. Two posts later my tunneling is no longer impressive I guess and just makes poor Chyz want to quit the game. Martyrd. I don't know if I need to say much more, does anyone need more? Go check out his previous town game to see the shocking difference in tone basically throughout his entire play this game, I don't buy the argument that he's just tilting from being tunneled cause he didn't tilt evens lighly when he got lynched in that game
I want your thoughts on this kelsier and vivax. Specifically, please read or refute. If town wants me to move on, help me move on
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On January 02 2015 09:45 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 09:43 Vivax wrote:On January 02 2015 09:41 Koshi wrote:
The reason why scum is not trowing more dirt on Chyz is because Dr.H. is one of them. That is so fucking possible. I don't really get posts like these cause they are just paranoid intermezzos. Like, if you want to make a point and have an opinion based on something in-game, then go and make it. But say "x is y cause it's possible" doesn't really help anyone figure something out, you only masturbate your inner crackhead. Nope. Dr.H. hasn't shown any form of interesting thought outside his Chyz tunnel. Which is 90% boring stuff and 10% plausible stuff. Yet Dr.H. has 12 pages of filter. I dare anybody in this game to give me 1 interesting thought DrH. gave that wasn't about Chyz. There is nothing.
It's only Day 1 baby.
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On January 02 2015 09:45 Lazermonkey wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 09:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 02 2015 09:37 Lazermonkey wrote:
So I actually read through Chyz filter in Cultured really fast so take everything with a grain of salt.. I do think DH is correct in that he acted in a very different way in this game than he did in Cultured. He didn't seem to spew massive OMGUS at everyone who thought he was scum. I do think that makes Chyz look worse.
However, there is still a mayor difference in that he didn't have DH up his ass constantly that game. Especially for a new player that can have a great influence in how you play.
geript is still the better lynch of them imo. Pretty sure he was getting tunneled in the game and he definitely was up for lynch and was mislynched. He wasnt emotional in the least, notice how when he martyrs fucking likem...two posts before that he's trying to buddy up to me and apologize or something. He backed.down soooo sheepishly and when it didnt work he did a 180 and tilted all the way I obviously only skimmed through his filter so I cannot say anything for certain but to me it didn't look like he was under the same sort of pressure that he is this game. His difference in meta is interesting and imo it makes him look worse. But I think it is somewhat possible that he just crumbled super hard under all pressure.
It's not the only reason I suspect him or anything, it's important in the grander context of his actions being scummy as hell anyway. The argument isn't that he's scum.because he's playing.differently. Its because it refutes the copout that he's just a newb who can't play town. Provides a nice contrast that makes some of the motives clearer because you can see the sort of things he looks.for as town and patterns to how he forms arguments.
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On January 02 2015 09:50 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 09:47 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 02 2015 09:45 Koshi wrote:On January 02 2015 09:43 Vivax wrote:On January 02 2015 09:41 Koshi wrote:
The reason why scum is not trowing more dirt on Chyz is because Dr.H. is one of them. That is so fucking possible. I don't really get posts like these cause they are just paranoid intermezzos. Like, if you want to make a point and have an opinion based on something in-game, then go and make it. But say "x is y cause it's possible" doesn't really help anyone figure something out, you only masturbate your inner crackhead. Nope. Dr.H. hasn't shown any form of interesting thought outside his Chyz tunnel. Which is 90% boring stuff and 10% plausible stuff. Yet Dr.H. has 12 pages of filter. I dare anybody in this game to give me 1 interesting thought DrH. gave that wasn't about Chyz. There is nothing. It's only Day 1 baby. So what? What? Really what? You can't produce 1 single interesting thought about anybody else than 1 person because it is Day 1? It's funny you acknowledge you have done nothing this game about the 18 other people beside Chez and brush it off as "Day 1".
Want a big list of reads or something? Why bother posting half assed gutreads. I already made it known how i feel about geript.
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On January 02 2015 09:52 KelsierSC wrote:
Drh
Here is how I read it.
1) chyz is annoyed with you and votes you
2) before going to bed he started to.consider you are scum and made his, dr hnis scum.post
3) he comes back.next day and explains the initial.votr on you wasn't serious but his post after that were he suspects you was more serious
I dont see anything scummy about that tbh
He wasn't just annoyed. His language is clearly a scumread. He says I am really scummy. He sayd basically DAE think drh scum?
Then goes to bed, comes back said he was fine with me the whole.time.and fine with my scumhunting. However, yesterday he was calling me really scummy and saying i only post fluff. Then he goes on to say i still seem scummy and am spamming. He implies scum intentions.
Then he says later that he went to bed thinking i was scum.and woke up thinking i was town. But what he had said before is that he went to bed thinking i was town (why call someone really scummy and look for vote support if you have a townread) and woke up thinking im scummy. Also he omgusd other people like 3 or 4 times then martyr himself.....bullshit case on lm too
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More than one person pushed marv
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On January 02 2015 09:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 09:58 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
More than one person pushed marv JAT's the only one I remember. The rest mustn't have tried very hard.
Geript counts right?
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On January 02 2015 10:00 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 09:56 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 02 2015 09:52 KelsierSC wrote:
Drh
Here is how I read it.
1) chyz is annoyed with you and votes you
2) before going to bed he started to.consider you are scum and made his, dr hnis scum.post
3) he comes back.next day and explains the initial.votr on you wasn't serious but his post after that were he suspects you was more serious
I dont see anything scummy about that tbh He wasn't just annoyed. His language is clearly a scumread. He says I am really scummy. He sayd basically DAE think drh scum? Then goes to bed, comes back said he was fine with me the whole.time.and fine with my scumhunting. However, yesterday he was calling me really scummy and saying i only post fluff. Then he goes on to say i still seem scummy and am spamming. He implies scum intentions. Then he says later that he went to bed thinking i was scum.and woke up thinking i was town. But what he had said before is that he went to bed thinking i was town (why call someone really scummy and look for vote support if you have a townread) and woke up thinking im scummy. Also he omgusd other people like 3 or 4 times then martyr himself.....bullshit case on lm too Well we interpret his language differently. his first vote on you when he says "here is a garbage read" that just sounds like him being pissed off. Again I don't see him lying. He thought you were dumb town then considered you scum. He explained that next day. I quite like the lm case it is kind of sheep ing my case but I'm really smart so that is understandable. If he wants to suicide this game I have total empathy
After the joke like five seconds later he calls me really scummy and starts calling on the rest of the thread. Was that a joke too? Then why did he say recently that he did actually scumread me at the time
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We shouldn't be lynching Marv Day 1 over activity. It may be indicative but NYE was a thing right?
Geript and TheChyz are my major scumreads. Geript is clearly being quiet in preparation for his post flip filter getting combed. Vivax is fine, ya'll are too quick to jump on somebody catching up. He is being extremely forthcoming with his thoughts which is a good sign if townie vivax to me.
Lazermonkey i feel is town just not playing great.
Koshi, Artanis, batsnacks and ritoky give me heebie jeebies. Palmar to a lesser extent, will see on day 2
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On January 02 2015 10:08 Koshi wrote:
Vivax scummeta is asking small dumb questions to his partners.
Thats not what hes doing
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On January 02 2015 10:05 Vivax wrote:
Yes Artanis and I already said why I don't like your arguments on geript. They are more meta-heavy and while you might see them as given ,everyone else who doesnt have experience with geripts meta won't simply accept them.
Something more concrete like the points on Chyz would be appreciated, provided you really want to convince me on geript. At least the first half of his filter didn't scream mafia to me so if you had to bring up non-meta-stuff, what would it be?
Jump thru marvs filter. Geript fos marv because he is saying marv tried to seed doubt about him when it was really just a null read. Backtracks and says he was just paranoid and then again lists it as a reason he thinks marv is scum later.
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And omgusing someone for having a null read is insanely defensive
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geript accidentally reused a fake argument that he admitted before was stupid. explain that away
how many times have you all seen a town player OMGUS someone for posting a null read about them and act like it's a bandwagon
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On January 02 2015 10:21 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 10:19 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 10:18 KelsierSC wrote:On January 02 2015 10:16 justanothertownie wrote:On January 02 2015 10:15 KelsierSC wrote:
Gb made a great point about marv and it seemed like he believed what he said so yeh gb can be in my club I made that point ages before GB did and GB knows very well that we aren't lynching marv right now. You are in my club too don't worry Do you want to.lynch Gb? I like him He has done nothing this game. Literally nothing. What is there to like about him? I liked the marv post I guess, it felt like he believed it. I dunno you really think hr is good lynch?
That's what I thought too but it kinda falls apart when you consider that JAT wasn't the only person to consider a marv lynch or marv as scum. Also, it wouldn't be unnatural for him to be thinking about scum manipulating Marv's lower activity level if he was scum. I'm not FoSing GB, I'm saying he gave no good reason to lynch or suspect Marv especially considering he's being fairly active now and because of NYE.
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On January 02 2015 10:28 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 10:13 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
And omgusing someone for having a null read is insanely defensive Well if this is your view on geript why don't you feel as confident on him as you are on TheChyz? It seems like you have quite the drive to convince me on voting geript while at the same time not really mentioning him much when umprompted, might be I missed something though as I'm not double checking atm.
Because I didn't really feel the need to take a lead on that or something. I pointed out why I saw and the main reason I had the read, but because people weren't listening to me about thechyz i feel inclined to beat my head against the wall so if i die night 1 people don't let him slide.
I like to go one at a time until I change my mind or they're done. I'll vote for geript if I need to because I think it's the second best lynch - and a very good lynch. If you think this is tunneling read me vs pandain insane mafia
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On January 02 2015 10:29 sicklucker wrote:
Well when geript flips mafia (hes going too) Everyone can sheep palmer and artanis to their hearts content. Ill also be pretty confirmed and a few others maybe too.
i dont like when people feel the need to remind everyone how many townie points will be handed out when someone flips.
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On January 02 2015 10:32 Vivax wrote:
Might be I'm just bad at the game or simply cause I'm not caught up but I don't feel as strongly about lynching geript as the majority here seems to. When I asked Artanis it didn't convince me, when I looked at that geript-marv interaction it didn't click either, although it seemed to be of great importance to DrH even though his fav. lynch is still Cyhz which to me makes more sense.
Marv says geript may or may not be scum. Geript says "you're fear lynching me because you're scum". Marv calls him out. Geript backs down and says he was being paranoid because he assumed Marv was scum. Then he calls Marv scum again and uses the old fear lynching as evidence again....
being that defensive over a null read look bad too. you don't think so?
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On January 02 2015 10:29 geript wrote:
Artanis. You make me sad.
and now this is the only shit he can pull up when his ass is on the chopping block? geript is way too annoying as a townie to do this
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i knew he was scum for not tunneling me day 1 . if anyone would normally be tilted by behavior, it's geript. no one in this forum before has ever been so acidic in general to me i think. like i said, he behaves cutely like he likes me but every game i play with him we are at each others throats and he has been town because i cant fucking understand anything he says. but in this game he didnt say anything. what he did say was horseshit. and anyone who reuses an argument they back down on later with no explanation and no follow up and no nothing is highly suspect to me. same thing thechyz did but mafia already convinced the thread not to bother reading close
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On January 02 2015 10:39 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2015 10:35 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On January 02 2015 10:32 Vivax wrote:
Might be I'm just bad at the game or simply cause I'm not caught up but I don't feel as strongly about lynching geript as the majority here seems to. When I asked Artanis it didn't convince me, when I looked at that geript-marv interaction it didn't click either, although it seemed to be of great importance to DrH even though his fav. lynch is still Cyhz which to me makes more sense. Marv says geript may or may not be scum. Geript says "you're fear lynching me because you're scum". Marv calls him out. Geript backs down and says he was being paranoid because he assumed Marv was scum. Then he calls Marv scum again and uses the old fear lynching as evidence again.... being that defensive over a null read look bad too. you don't think so? If you put it like that it just looks like two people doing and saying dumb things, but maybe it's cause I'm halfway drunk. M: You maybe scum. G: You want to lynch me cause your're scum. M: U wot m8. G: Sorry I didn't mean it cause I thought you were scum. G: Oh well actually you're scum cause you want to lynch me cause you don't want me to lynch you. Ehhhh
That's not quite how it plays out. What the fuck has geript contributed to this game? He's about to be lynched and he's popping in absolute fluff. There's even a small amount of traction on marv but he's not doinganything to capitalize on that.= like he would if he really believed it. if geript reallyb elieved it he wouldn't shut up about it either. he even uses the same term "fear lynching" again .
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