| Forum Index > TL Mafia |
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Yesterday I discovered the glory that is Mafia. Binge read the Student Mafia IV thread and then 3 of the advice threads. Seems like a wildly fun game. I figure I should probably wade in via /obs instead of diving in and ruining everyone's life with my noobness. In the dive. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 07 2014 16:09 Fecalfeast wrote: I dove right in to a non-newbie game but I agree that /obs will teach you more I'm not opposed to just jumping in. I do think that this type of game isn't something you can prepare for. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
it helps to understand not to learn from me Why do I think a lot of people will say this? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
/IN As the game hasn't started I'm assuming I can go back and edit my first post? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 08 2014 17:24 rsoultin wrote: Our game inspired you, Tube? Glad you're onboard.  Yes. These games are such great drama. Even if I'm so bad I won't want to play, I'm going to /obs for the pure emotional rollercoaster value. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 09 2014 01:14 kushm4sta wrote: Tubesock smurf cause his name is retarded Would you like it better if I had a number in it, like "Tubes4ck"? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 09 2014 04:04 Fecalfeast wrote: I hope you're happy with your new nickname, Tubesack There are certainly worse. "Tubes4ck" maybe too in kushm4sta's pocket which would hurt my newfound WIFOM reputation. Or does it? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
I didn't think I was such a slow reader but it's been hours and I feel I will never catch up to the thread while taking notes also. I'm trying to get reads, but they are conflicting with people who I feel are pretty freaking smart sounding. Namely, Koshi and Xata. Koshi, since you are here can you tell me more about your HTS read? I feel I'm fairly null/town on her. Namely, I believe that Froggy's plynch statement isn't meaningful. Bunny latches and basically posts it's probably bad but she thinks it's ok. Then scum lists Froggy. Then several people jump on her and later Dam asks HTS about the Froggy/plynch read. HTS replies that it's null on his part but Bunnies scum listing is scummy. HTS doesn't seem to scumlist Froggy. Then a bunch more people argue (kelsierSC, Bats, Viv others). I'd like to know why I should elevate the signifigance of HTS's reads and downplay Bunny's? Also I think people should read this more closely from the OP: On December 04 2014 19:32 Palmar wrote: Setup Information All the roles below can be present in the game, and no role has any sort of a guarantee that it exists in the game. There may for example be three Ghosts of Christmas Yet To Come, no other Ghosts and no Scrooge, yet Marley might be present. In the same sense, there may be Disgruntled Christmas Workers without any Santas or Branch Managers. There may also be multiple instances of the same role. It appears that given bad enough RNG we could have 6 Marlows, or 6 Mass Murderers, or 0. Which makes me wonder why we had a Scrooge claim?? It makes me wonder if any claims will matter as we can have multiples...so why not counterclaim? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
So? How can you not be stiff for someone who reps to be able to bus his entire mafia team? More por favor | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 10 2014 00:25 Vivax wrote: This post looks very mafiaish at this stage of the game. Tube summarizes some stuff about the argument revolving bunnies and then HTS (which I still have to read atm), and asks another player "stuff" about it as if he couldn't judge it on his own, apparently cause it conflicts with his own reads (what are his reads???). Guessing from the post it would be that he's scumreading 27nb but not HTS, cause he's asking Koshi if he should give more priority to HTS instead of 27nb. I read 27NB as pretty scummy. I read HTS as null to town. I'm asking Koshi because his assessment isn't the same as mine. From your posts while the argument was happening I feel we agree so I don't think I'll gain anything from repeating it with you. I don't think you read HTS as scum but there's arguments from others who do. I don't want to ask Lightning because I'll get some random meta call from other games. I don't want to ask Sick because I'm not super impressed with his weird gift claim. What reads of mine do you want? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 10 2014 00:56 Koshi wrote: As a present owner. You should know that you don't know what present you hold. So why did you think that Gb his present is bad? Also, no one on the first day and do anything with the present other than gifting it to someone. And then the recipient can't do anything with it till the next DAY. Either open or gift it. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 10 2014 00:58 liancourt wrote: Do you have anything to contribute? reads? Anything but wasted posts? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 10 2014 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote: ok now tubesock is doing useless setup speculation. I had so much faith. I was trying to get Sicklucker to read the gift mechanic better and realize that the presents are random and he's focusing on the wrong thing. Apparently, so am I. Ugh. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 10 2014 01:28 sicklucker wrote: The person who I sent it to totally knows its from me. same with the person gb sent it to because we sent them at different times. You don't think they will all receive them at the end of the day/beginning of night? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Can you elaborate more on why Templur is scummy? I read him acting very towny. He started and continued the thread for a good while. While his posts were long, you can certainly argue they were time wasting, they mostly had reads in them. I will be going back and rereading the timings of his posts with the ideas in them to verify your/HF/Ritokey's idea that he just repeated everyone elses read. But when you guys first pushed him I felt like he was the one feeding people the reads and they reacted to him. Some things I'll ask him later or hopefully he responds to is why list Kelsier to null then later bold town? It didn't appear that Kels did anything to warrant a change. I still have Kels null to scum since he didn't post anything other than constantly talking to 27NB about bras and slippers. Then Kel fishes for scrooge as a "trap" but gets boldface town for it? Do you see that as scummy too or at least very unproductive (naive town)? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 10 2014 01:35 Oatsmaster wrote: All notifications are done at the start or end of day/night. Come on guys, this is simple....... ANYWAY ITS COMPLETELY RANDOM WHAT THE PRESENTS ARE, STOP TALKING ABOUT IT. Tubesock, whos scum? Strongest scum is 27NB - mostly wishy washy Froggy is ok but I'm scum listing him. Then 9 pages of my boobs are too big. Kelsier but I'm not very confident on him. His scrooge claim irritates me, along with it took a long time for him to have a post of substance or attempted substance. Alakaslam - mostly I feel he just fishes for people willing to put in the effort for his weird ass posts. I go back and forth between thinking every letter matters and has meaning with him or not. He claims he made the snowman which I assume is his way of saying he figured it out, but uh, how is that remotely possible? Oh and he's a ghost he says. Among many other things. He just wastes so many peoples time. Also, there is bias because I realize I'm too stupid to comprehend what he's actually saying. I'm pretty intimidated by a few of the players. They just seem like all they have to do is put up a big post (Templur) and bam I feel they are super towny. There's 1 thing about Temp that I am hesitant about otherwise I would strong town him. Which I then WIFOM myself and think he's trying too hard and is mafia thinking/realizing he can easily manipulate us newbies into chaos and mlynching. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 10 2014 02:04 Vivax wrote: Why do you scumlist froggy, tube? Crap, I didn't. I think he's null. Shit, I totally meant I scum 27NB for her posts that were wishy washy on Froggy but later scum lists him and continues talking about her boobs being too big for bras. I should have put quotations. Sorry, It's 3 am here and I'm fading. But can't sleep cause this stupid game is consuming me. On December 10 2014 02:03 Damdred wrote: Well tube do you believe template role claim? No, I am discarding his Santa "claim" and I think I saw another but I didn't give it any credence. I need to go back and reread that. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 10 2014 02:12 Oatsmaster wrote: How is it possible for it to be 3am but you are in the United States? I live in Alaska but am currently in Papua New Guinea (same time zone as Brisbane, Australia). | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 10 2014 02:21 kitaman27 wrote: From what I recall, kush claims that the easiest way to figure him out is whether or not he is actually bothering to read filters, since he is incapable of doing so as mafia. Seems like that would apply here. I can't seem to find the quote myself though. Thought it was in the Doctor Who 2 quicktopic but apparently not. I've seen that from him or posted about him in either Campus or the other Student IV threads. Those are the only other two threads I've tried to read. I'm pretty sure it's in Campus. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Can you read KelsierSC and Vivax for me? To be clear you iff'd Froggy due to no posts (ok like 2) and sheeped him based off towning either/or/all of Ritoky, Damdred (you towned him in your list), and HF? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 10 2014 02:34 Half the Sky wrote: Tube, regarding Kush, it was hard to tell, using meta (either myself or Damdred, who has played with him more), he was fine because his posts are sporadic as town, but without meta, using the Scrooge claim and considering the ninja vote, he was looking pretty scumlike. Others (Xatalo) I know for sure was saying they haven't seen him this "nonsensical" before. I went through FF again. He's still mostly null until I get to a few posts, but what is coming off as scumlike is his thoughts is the post on LS and his last post to Ritoky. It's not strong, but I don't know why he's brushing Ritoky off like that. Ritoky generally speaking has been reasonable so far d1. Kitaman's reads are coming in as pretty town seeing his thought process and reasoning from last night and today. I think the only reason I'm not scumming Kush is from what I've read of him during the Campus/Student thread (whichever one he was in). I do want to wait, as there are still 3-4 people who haven't introduced themselves yet. Plus, we have 24+ hours still. I can't read FF at all. Not even including the campus/student threads which I just only read. I give him a pass on his push on LS though but that's mostly because I'm biased against, continue to blame, and am still pissed that LS killed himself as a Cop D1 in one of your games. God damn it. Nothing to me sticks out on Ritoky other than he challenged Froggy for the plynch post, and didn't respond to 27NB's vote on him, Kitaman seems like a strong player which basically means I'll follow him towny unless he does something weird. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 10 2014 02:57 Vivax wrote: My main point is his strange focus on "who is scumreading whom" rather than "why is this person supposed to be scum". In his entrance post he implicitly says he's scumreading bunnies but not HTS, he doesn't talk about why he scumreads bunnies or why bunnies is a good lynch. He asks two people that seem to be doing the talk seemingly randomly about their reasons for not scumreading bunnies over HTW. He doesn't do that cause he suspects these two people, but cause he thinks they're looking good, as he himself states Yet this opinion of his isn't substantiated by what these people wrote. In fact we don't know why he gives them such high value when their opinion conflict with his. Why didn't he list HF there, or me? If bunnies is his main scumread like mine and HF's, why does he value the conflicting opinions more. So I think he just picked out two guys he thought to be influential and started talking to them about stuff to look like he's contributing, and added the setup talk on top, to contribute some more. Adding the introduction "Oh wow I'm reading so much". As said, for a scum with the game solved they will rather focus on the different wagons and the people on it and their reasons rather than real reasons for people being read one way or another, they will try to position themselves "politically" and this is what it looks like to me. I didn't think you were active in the thread, and when I caught up my reading, the main posters were Koshi and Xata. I thought they both had a lot of substance in their posts but I didn't agree with their HTS read specifically. I wanted a divergent view to see if I was missing something. In my reply to you the first time I'm pretty sure I said I wouldn't ask you simply because I feel we have similar reads and I knew I wouldn't be able to phrase anything to gain anything new from you. You'd either be irritated I'm rehashing something that already had 15 pages dedicated to it, or you'd rehash what I already read about it. To a lesser extent I feel the same applies to HF. I feel I'm vetting your and HF's read (and mine). I didn't find Koshi's answer to be more than opinion. He just replied, "HTS" posts are confusing and muddled. Yeah well so are mine. So, just to be clear, my read on HTS and 27BN are so far unchanged. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
I read HTS null/town. I agreed with her reasoning concerning 27NB and Froggy. I don't see her spearheading/pushing people (her posts are 95% answering others) but she is information gathering and analyzing. She (while pushed) tried to examine Kush's Scrooge claim, and I think she basically meant she doesn't know but it's overall scummy and his behavior also is scummy. Which I agree with, My read on Kush is confused but he's more harmful to town/Nice than good. He's my 2nd maybe 3rd lynchvote (Lian is the other). Can you update your read on either Bats or Fecal? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 10 2014 08:25 batsnacks wrote: I caught up. Time for a blind list post without reviewing anything: Lynch vivax Why? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 10 2014 08:36 batsnacks wrote: Lynch vivax The only thing I remember about him is that his posts are all about the same length with about the same formatting. I don't actually remember what any of his posts said. Someone actually had to point out to me earlier that vivax and HTS had similar thoughts on froggy.[/QUOTE] He's pushed a few people, why isn't that towny? I like that he pushed me without even talking to me so he was able to get 2 responses from differing people at the same time. His posts had thought in them I agreed with what he said earlier in the day, and see why he's questioning me. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 10 2014 08:31 27ninjabunnies wrote: Vivax- after reading through his filter seems really town to me. Actually probably one of my top towns at the moment. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=40#791 This post explain why. I think I've explained why I put Froggy as iffy, vivax, at that time. What do you think? Also, In that post you mention you don't like Koshi, or more so he's freaking you out. Can you go a little bit more into Koshi, and what kind of read you've made on him since that post? Thank you for responding. I think Vivax is null/town as well. I believe Keslier is bad for town. I'm not sure he will flip naughty, but most all his early posts were total fluff and for lack of better word he was flirting with you (Probably becuase I'm a sexist bastard but I am willing to bet he wouldn't have had the same length of interaction with someone he thought was a guy). It was pretty wasteful, and then I think he realized he needed to do something to look towny and thought "Hey, I'll fish for Scrooge since no one would be dumb enough to claim Scrooge" (Yes, I stand by that statement even with Kush's claim). I thought it was scummy to continue playing along with the Kels interactions despite their unproductivity and there seemingly other discussions floating around. Why not engage Templur or Slam, why'd you continue to give any attention to Kels? In your first list, you "iffy" I think it was Froggy, Kita, Fecal. You Null NF, Vivax and Kelsi. You note in your Null list that it's for tunnelling (NF) and for 2 defenders which were V and Kel. In your defense of Froggy (you had 3ish posts defending Froggy) in one of them you stated how NF did essentially the same thing? So, why null NF and scum Froggy? 27ninjabunnies United States. December 09 2014 09:32. Posts 1987 Gift TL+ PM Profile Report Quote # filter @ Slam @ Damdred Didn't HF basically do just the same thing? Except more of he came into the thread with "Omgerd we have cap posts. Im town, follow me later" and then leaves. And yet, Damdred, you have him as town for basically a shit post? While I agree, people talking about policy lynching and lurkers seem off, he seems just an easy target for people to scum read because of that. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 10 2014 09:18 27ninjabunnies wrote: Okay, I reread this like 3 times and had trouble understanding your last paragraph, so I'll try and answer the best way I can. I don't have scum on Froggy. I had an iffy. Iffy for me does not mean that he is scum. It's more of a null. The scum list for me would be the "People I need to look at". When I make reads, I put them under categories that'll best explain where my mind was at at that moment. I realize, prob doesnt work for other people reading. I took your iffy as scum. Your list had 3 categories. So, at the time you're saying you had 0 scum reads? On December 09 2014 09:02 27ninjabunnies wrote: He'll be here in five minutes so I'll leave you with this: Templar Town Damdred Town Slam semitownie Those I need to look more at: HF Vivax Kelsier Iffy: Froggy Kita (I expected more than just hey) Fecal I don't really like how two people jumped to defend me. That always makes me skeptical. Don't get me wrong, thank you for that, because it's absolutely true and makes sense. HF is making something out of nothing. Idk if it's reaction testing? Or backlash for me calling him out on his post. tbh, I'm not counting how many posts I make. I type a lot, I ask a lot of questions. If I get near my cap, well then, atleast I know I made a difference in the beginning of the day, instead of arguing later. Have fun everyone, and see you tomorrow! I understand that you don't want to call it a solid scum (or town for that matter) but you can understand how someone reads this and thinks your list is town/null/scum vs town/null/justundernull? My last paragraph question is, why is HF less iffy than Froggy? You spent 3 posts on why Froggy wasn't scummy yet placed him in your most negative category. Why?? On December 09 2014 08:50 27ninjabunnies wrote: Ummm no, In every game I have played, people always first attack the guy who talks about policy lynching and lurkers, whether doing it is bad or good. The same thing is happening this game. I don't think it is alignment indicative for froggy. I would need him to talk more to get a read. I'm just saying that there's no sense in attacking someone for something that seems "scummy" when it isn't. It seems off to everyone else, which is why people are targeting him, you get what I'm saying? On December 09 2014 08:41 27ninjabunnies wrote: I'm not brushing it off, I' trying to look at it objectively. I think what he said makes sense. A. I know what he said. I said he was talking about policy lynching and lurkers. I never specifically said what he thought about it. I don't think it's scummy. I think people are making something scummy out of nothing. Thanks for the vote I knew it was to happen eventually, but I figured Ritoky would be the first to do it!And I will enjoy my date  Food and alcohol. what's better? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 10 2014 08:31 27ninjabunnies wrote: Can you go a little bit more into Koshi, and what kind of read you've made on him since that post? Ok, sorry I missed this part during my attempt at formatting my first response. Koshi is null/town for me. I like that after his first big post he doesn't really push his agenda and seems to be genuinely information gathering. He'd be top third of my nice pile. His first post was long and I'll admit I'm one of those suckers for long posts. I disagreed with his Kelsier read but I'll post more on Kels later. I completely disagreed with his HTS assessment. I don't scum Lightning but it's not because he doesn't act crazy scummy it's because I've decided he's just bad. I should try to wade through his posts to find a single non meta type read. I don't think LS has any idea who the thread thinks is town. I'm sorry, I agree with him on you (NB). While I didn't have any idea about your experience, if you're town it seemed like your arguments were very muddled (which is what people criticize HTS for, but you seemed worse in the beginning). I'm with him on Obi. Seems like he's not interested in playing. I hope Obi shows up with some well thought out reads. Koshi isn't the first to say he's bored with someone/the thread (GB). I'm not following the significance of why people say they are bored? Is it to garner more dramatic posts? Saying people are not contributing being towny therefore everyone is acting scummy? I'm going to WIFOM myself to death on this claim (generally not specifically Koshi's boredom claim). Anyway, I don't necessarily agree with a lot of stuff Koshi says but his posts seem inquisitive and like he's thinking. If I see him posting while I still am on I'll be asking him questions for sure. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 10 2014 10:06 kitaman27 wrote: I think you're missing the point of what I'm saying. I'm not asking if FF's post about tube is valid. I'm asking why the same exact reasoning could apply to two players, yet he draws a town read on one and a scum read on the other. I know you're not really asking me, but I think it's more a judgement on good/bad play versus town/scum. FF hasn't decided how bad I am yet, he's already labelled LS bad. I know LS was D1 killed in 2 games one of which he was the cop and still claimed but while I was reading it, I thought his play was so scummy he fake claimed. (Course someone CC'd and really sealed his fate). So, if I were in FF's shoe's I'd judge Tubesack town/scum, but then just dismiss LS completely. This is what I'm doing basically, I think LS is a plynch. I'd rather find a scummy player than kill LS who's just as likely to flip town as not. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Bah, I think it is an irrelevant post. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 10 2014 10:08 Half the Sky wrote: Kitaman, what you just posted: To me, that shows inconsistency in FF's explanation in applying how meta is used. I am also making the assumption here that LS and Slam were NOT together in the Titanic Game. Both players are studying threads from other games, but FF seeing Tube doing this as a new player....I do not see how that's more town or scumlike than any other player doing research outside the thread, barring a scum QT. Considering LS and at least one more player have said they are doing research outside the thread, I wouldn't be surprised if Tubesack saw this and just went ahead and did the same thing. And with that, 1am here means I need to head to bed, with work again at 8am. I've sort of done research outside this thread. Basically, I was bored last thursday and was curious what the TL Mafia category was (SC2 and Kerbal Space Program were slow). I clicked on the Student Mafia link and just got sucked in. I binged read that till page 108 I think. I then started reading the Campus (tried to read the MS paint one but it didn't suck me in at all) and stopped around page 90 or so. Then I saw this post for this game and /obs'd but talked myself (with encouragement from others to just /in. Now you're stuck with my rambling. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 10 2014 10:36 rsoultin wrote: ...you're judging yourself? In 2nd person? That's...different. Also I get the feeling you just said LS sucks at playing so should be ignored (at least for now). Is that more or less what you were driving at here? Yes, exactly. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 10 2014 10:45 Alakaslam wrote: Yes, FTR. Currently I still vote LS however. What is FTR? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
I"m not understanding the Xatas wagon. You guys don't claim 27NB is less scummy than Xatas, but switch due to him being a bit waffly and saying that the 27NB wagon is dangerous as it's a Mafia driven lynch. So, Xatas is scummy for suggesting a wagon switch, but you guys are switching and not claiming 27NB is town??? Wut? I saw the 27NB "iffy" clarification was brought up. Are you guys not calling bullshit on that? She had 3 categories of people but effectively said that 2 of them were the same category. Riiiiight. Don't even try to say that her "iffy" category was null while her "Those I need to look more at:" category is the scummier one unless you post some evidence of behavior by any human that suggests they would prefer to organize categories by Best/Worst/Middle. Help me out Viv, you were a really solid Town for me. My question to you is also, why is 27NB less scummy than Xatas (who I totally agree with you on)? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
[b## Vote: NinjaBunnies[/b] | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
I'm ##voting Xatalos but will switch back to NB later if people don't think she claimed or still wagon her. I'll be back a few hours before EoD. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 10 2014 19:06 LoneMeow wrote: Why did you vote Xatalos after saying you don't understand the wagon and essentially making a light push on the opposing wagon? I was pissed. I'm still mad. Once Koshi responded that my post was completely worthless due to the claim which I missed. I reverted to my previous read of Viv and sheeped him. I calmed down a bit and thought about my scum read on Obi, my uncertainty about Rasputin, and realized that all through their talk about Xatas they never cited NB as a claimed role. So, I ninja'd back my vote to 27NB. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Kelsier, I'm sorry, you're too heavily scum for me so I won't respond to you after this post. Your scum read on me is based on bad play not me being scum. Which I should be lynched/PK'd for eventually but not today. I think someone asked me about my HTS read. I think my read on her was null but after a few posts from her I'm town on her. I wanted to know why HTS was a better lynch than bunny, so I asked some randoms who were posting with coherent and thoughtful content. I also want to know why Viv thinks Xatas is a better lynch than bunny as I was towning Viv. Still am but not solidly. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Rit I think you are wrong on HF. There wasn't much new to discuss about NB and lots of people were talking about it and to her. I was one of them. I pointed out the "iffy" and "needs to be looked into" discrepancy but I'm certain others saw it. But she didn't seem to have 1 town post all day. If you think his behavior is scummy then push every NB voter. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 12 2014 05:47 ritoky wrote: to whomever gave me this present, gonna open it. yolo, wish me luck. Ritoky my 3rd 100% Nice. Too bad his "present" kills. This isn't that kind of present. Another Nice dies but it wont be FecalFeast, LightningStrike, nor I. We are too important for the Naughty Lynch. GlowingBear bolds Damdred's meta lie, then sights his previous Arnold role and again sights previous game "Arnie's Got A Gun?". Sicklucker, the naughty friend later reveals he thinks he knows this Arnold. Both GlowingBear and Sicklucker and NOW The_Templar appear!! Three Naughties and two lurking in the shadows. Kushm4ster needs to Go West in his Holiday Lear. Somehow won't. ALPA protects me ssson. + Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On December 10 2014 04:45 GlowingBear wrote: [QUOTE]On December 10 2014 04:24 Damdred wrote: [QUOTE]On December 10 2014 03:54 Xatalos wrote: [QUOTE]On December 10 2014 02:45 Damdred wrote: People i won't listen about: Damdred, SL, Templars, HF, Koshi, RS, Oats, probably LS, kush [QUOTE]On December 10 2014 03:06 Damdred wrote: Seriously we should lynch GB who's whole d1 policy is to lynch lurkers not ignore them completely and fo after active people this is what he did in the one hour titanic mafia as scum[/QUOTE] Has he not played similarly as town? His first vote in the Guilty game was on a lurker. Granted, he then went after me and rayn. But I don't see how GB is top scum from that meta point. On another note, I don't think we should lynch LS today. Well, he already basically claimed to have a role. I guess 27ninjabunnies isn't a bad lynch at this rate. It's hard to find anything towny about her other than the easy wagon. Tubesock: could you explain further HTS leaning town / null? I got the impression from your post that HTS was looking bad (or null at best) and that 27ninjabunnies was just worse.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Well Xatalos you are just so overtly town I have to be suspicious of you right now its only the right answer. Besides that I figured that would be your response since we have post restrictions. You did ignore my next post where I said not to lynch you for today though. The meta on GB isn't that bad, ever since avocado mafia its something gb has followed strictly as town to the point of getting scum read for it in some situations and as mafia going against the lurker lynch to pursue higher profile people. It is not a guaranteed scum to be sure but I think its a good chance at this point.[/QUOTE] [quote]The bolded is you lying. If you really believe it, you're forcing a read based on only one scum game (Arnold). I've went to high profile people very recently as town (against marv day1 on that game I forgot the name)[/QUOTE] | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 12 2014 08:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Who shoots Damdred/LM over Vivax/Holyflare? Mafia think: Damdred 1. Calls The_Templar out on RNG but scums we should not follow. I don't know how to check the post ID but the numbers seems to work. Lands KeslierSC. Yes, follow this naughty train. 2. Challanges GrowingBear. GrowingBear swipes him away with meta attacks. The scum are ok with this. 3. You believe that he wouldn't NK/lynch Sicklucker or KelsierSC?? Easy to scum, but very few claimed to naughty. LoneMeow 1. Would lynch Sicklucker. 2. Challenges The_Templar. 3. I've seen 3 posts that suggested we should have bailed from the wagon. One by someone who is in a iron bird above, another who was attacked and a weak off hours wagon developed, and LoneMeow who was elavating. Vivax and Holy Flare - They didn't start the wagon, but naughty sexy play SCAMFUSED and it took very little steering to help them lead the way and mafia was able to stand back. They did the work and had the muscle. Vivax with a little steerage introduced more scamfusion. Scum is afraid to Nice Holy Flare not for his current game actions but his reputation. SCUM. There are only 2 Nice in this game. There is no elevator, we need to STEP THE FUCK UP. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 12 2014 08:40 Vivax wrote: If we have a vig he's stupid for not killing Alakaslam. Fucking SCUM. READ HIS POSTS. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 12 2014 08:22 GlowingBear wrote: It's not WIFOM, rit. It's just looking through perspectives. I can't understand the psychology of a townie who decides to claim he is going to open the present he received. You don't die night one, then BAM! You obviously got a skill and will be killed/roleblocked night2 if you're town. I can never see town doing that. On December 12 2014 08:22 sicklucker wrote: Shit this is horrible I can confirm I sent dandred a present and thats probably why hes dead.. On December 12 2014 08:23 sicklucker wrote: Can you claim then? My whole plan today was to kill you if mafia didnt because you made it so blatantly obvious. Naughty boys. Still reading Sicklucker Nice? On December 10 2014 01:31 GlowingBear wrote: Lian, SL is town. Let him alone. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 12 2014 09:18 Trfel wrote: Yes, I have. I have also filter read his posts multiple times. If you would like, I can elaborate, but unfortunately I will be really busy for a bit. In summary, his play is mostly fluff, but that doesn't incriminate someone (see Alakaslam, batsnacks, for example). And in the remaining posts, while I disagree, I see little reason to believe that those are his honest opinions after searching for scum. You are wrong about Alakaslam this game. His posts are pretty short, except for the first several. Those he was fishing for information. Fishing for people who would put in the effort. He spent time on templar and when templar stopped giving him what Slam wanted he moved on. He wanted to FITE. Fecal tried but was unable to interpret anything. GlowingBear also tried and dropped some meta read on him (understandable) and Slam deemed him worthless. The conversation would only add to confusion. It would not have been finding scum, channelling Bamcis or using the eyes of Chupazi. None of the things Slam wants. Find another person who was less wavering in Ninjabunnies lynch than Alakaslam. I think his first post on her was to indicate he was suspicious. It was early in the wagon. Then later he said: On December 11 2014 00:39 Alakaslam wrote: She certainly did not mind posting and drawing attention Hello But I would have thought HF knew what he was doing. I have rescinded that. Here, Koshi is trying for a read from anyone thinking Ninja was Nice. His response and reasoning is "She didn't mind posting and drawing attention." Certainly town, and turns out he was right. Then "HELLO" asking the rest of us why are we disgarding this information. Other people brought it up. One was the target of a wagon, and another was night killed. If you won't put in the effort to find out who I am talking about then you are not worth any Naughty hunters. The rest are scum. He then scum reads HF. This is significant. He is wrong, HF is merely scum as are the 18 of us nice still alive. Slam is the ONLY person who refused the naughty case on Ninja by post AND vote. He was the ONLY person 100% right. Go back, research yourself. Then tell me WHY I am wrong. I am scum until Alakaslam comes and confirms. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Absolutely! Finally, someone who sees this as a credible threat. Because you are naughty. GlowingBear you DEFEND Sicklucker with "Lian, SL is town. Let him alone." Yet, you are using plays on schemes and roles to discredit Ritoky and gain confusion. Tell me how Sicklucker is so Nice, you tell Lian to lay off. You defend Sicklucker and not just once but use what he's doing to go after a CONFIRMED Nice (RIP Damdred). Tell me why and how Sicklucker is NICE. ##Vote: GlowingBear | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 12 2014 09:59 Alakaslam wrote: Ok I see tube sock now Tube mah man you see not with the eyes of Chupazi to know that I am the king of the hitleric uncanny knowledge; for though I cannot see scum, indeed the town is illuminated to me as each alignment. Indeed it is slower as town but it develops like film If you are not Alakaslam, do not bother to read this, you can not comprehend it. You are the savage down below. On December 09 2014 08:45 Alakaslam wrote: Better than food and alcohol is speed (not te drug) Exceeding 200 MPH and messing with gravity, making dirt and rubber play nice and creating clouds from thin air off your wingtips via speed and phase change causing the ignorant to rail about conspiracies Yes It is merely happenstance this post spoke to me. I read this and immediately labelled you a Gucci Pilot. Worthless, talentless and garbage. Later you scummed me, Rsoultin or perhaps Ritoky who really cares, and LightningStrike. You told him, you ASKED him to step up, to elevate or he will never understand. You scummed him but Niced him. There is a difference. I see that. It's not nulltown, null, or iffy. There is only Nice, Naughty and Scum. Nothing else. I knew then I was the savage in the trees looking at the iron bird in the sky. I went back and filter dove you. I LOVE speed, I know it. 200 MPH??? That my friend is slow, it's rare you see a bird with "phase changes" that only go 200MPH. I know of none that can and I am Proffessional. I then saw the dirt and rubber. Ah, it is not asphalt and rubber, it is merely 200 which may seem fast. I thought I could play your game. Dropped a Go West reference, a Lear reference, an ALPA reference. If you don't know these it tells me you are not Professional, but you are amateur but we are NICE. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 12 2014 09:53 Alakaslam wrote: ##kelsierSC Yes YES. He is of the 5. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 12 2014 11:16 The_Templar wrote: Not seeing Kelsier being mafia unless someone points out why. His cases make sense and he's putting in some effort, but I haven't read the thread carefully. I don't like LS, as he was 'passively' blue hunting and hasn't really done much besides link people's metas in an attempt to look helpful. He did claim a role though... 5? Not 6? Please explain why you said 5 ##Vote Oooh let's dance. GB, Slick, and now YOU are here to "pressure" and with your buddy KelsierSC on the wagon. 4 of 5. Is it my 5 or the games 5? Does it matter? No. Oh, wait, you are here to pressure me as your naughty friend Sicklucker's silly ##Vote: Tubesock didn't work. 5 of 5, 5 of mine or the games? Now does it matter? No. Put in some effort. Defend KelsierSC or sink him now. The choice is yours. Distance or closeness. Answer that, should be easy, there is A LOT of content. Then we have a dance. I'll be here. When's your next "test"? How long you here? Huh, you here for 1 response or sticking around to REALLY DIG FOR SOME SCUM???? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 12 2014 11:24 sicklucker wrote: I dont like what kelsier did at all. Lets be honest he tricked gullible little kush into committing suicide. I can still see it from a town perspective tho. Im sure LS still remembers something that he pulled in his last game... Oooh, so so beautiful. Now we have something. NOW you decide to distance yourself from KelsierSC?? What about your ##Vote: Tubesock???? And Templar JUST came to your rescue to add pressure. Please don't go. Ooh, now tell me naughty one, why is KelsierSC naughty??? Bring yourself closer, or separate yourself. Say something that isn't unproveable claim bullshit and I'll LOVE LOVE to respond. Prove I'm NAUGHTY. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 12 2014 11:42 The_Templar wrote: Sassy. Answer the damn question. In your first three naughty or nice lists. Tell me HOW you changed the reads. I'll even buy the bullshit "RNG" landing on your buddy there. He responds with "Oh oh make it Christmassy", now you can notClaim Santa write a beautiful cheerful and fluffy post. I mean you WERE just humoring KeslierSC, right? This I can forgive, as you do need to push the thread. Fish for information. What does KelsierSC do...Hmmm. He says "WOW beautiful post!!! 100% TOWN MAN IDGAF!" Tell me as NICE that this response is Nice? Why why oh why oh why? Slam read you Naughty. He likely new it immediately. how much attention did he give you? Not much. You sold out your pretty little naughty buddy too. He saw you Null after a big "Oooh, I'm totally going to stay ##Vote: KelsierSC till he PROVES me Nice." Your ##Vote: KelsierSC sure lasted a longtime. He even fished for Scrooge for you for a convenient short term. And yet, if the lazy don't check the time stamp when KelsierSC rescinded his "trap" and cmpare it to when Templar posts another long beautiful naughty or nice list and funnily enough lists KelsierSC as 1 of the 3 longtime Nice then Naughty really deserves to win. Defend this. Tell the NICE I'm wrong. Good luck on your next test. It is FINALS season you know. And for you people not reading my last several posts. You better start. Focus on what matters. All this, "well so and so was this in a game and so that is my bullshit stupid wasteful read." You make it easy to lynch Ninjabunnies. If you don't understand what I say here, you are not putting in any effort. Don't be lazy. Meta reads are only barely useful when you have NOTHING IN THE CURRENT GAME. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Clearly our D1 strategy is not working. I'm putting in effort to CHANGE MY PLAY. Filter Dive yourself. Tell me you don't think you are scummy??? I saw Alakaslam read me scum. I saw a couple others say I'm worthless. I Filter dove myself and holy hell, I sure made things easy. D1 Tubesock is SCUMMY SCUM SCUM. I would have lynched myself. Now, continue your debate on scummy defenses and not reevaluate your focus on what actually matters. If you think talking to someone who is trying to add in points that are listed in the scummy side of play in the freaking TL Mafia guide (meta reading, nitpicking, fluff, spamming etc) and you allow that to base your decisions, Nice already lost. Lynch me now so I don't have to wait around till mafia NK's me. D1 consisted of almost nothing but meta reads and I feels. SHOCKING a Nice died. Let's focus on behavior. Don't agree, you better wagon the fuck out of me. Too lazy to READ for my votes??? Ok, I'll make it easy. ##Vote: The_Templar ##Vote: Sicklucker ##Vote: GlowingBear ##Vote: KelsierSC When my 5th show's you'll know. I already mentioned by name these 4. My last night post had the top three. Kelsier I have said was Scum for a bit. I even asked GlowingBear about it. He didn't respond to me. Huh. Want to talk about someone not on this list? Or if I fucking care if there is 5 or 6 or 19 Mafia?? Who the fuck cares?? Step up. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 12 2014 12:55 rsoultin wrote: Lol, if I am wrong I will not apologize for calling you an idiot. You should be flattered that I'm not dismissing you as one, actually. Take notes people. rsoultin, you know if you are town. Say there are 3 people in this hypothetical game. Fred, you and Velma. Fred comes at you with "well you claimed this our last game or you did this or that." and since there are 3 people left it's 2 towns versus 1 mafia. Why would you respond? He has NOTHING. If he did, you'd be cased. If you think you need to respond how should you? A) By "You should be flattered" or "Hey, you towned Velma yesterday, Velma AFK'd/did something scummy, why didn't you scum him?" And Fred responds, "well I really like Velma." With 3 people in this hypothetical game, do you lynch Fred or Velma? Why are you giving creedance to people who's sole reads are consistent of "in last game he..." or "well, he soft claimed and last game he did this". So, do this. Start a few pages in after the pushing of threads. Then disregard EVERY POST with a scummy explanation. See those who have real arguments. Read them. Judge them. See who is right on D1 and everyones relationships and "setups" are stupid obvious. I will say again, Alakaslam was the ONLY one to be 100% correct. All of us doubted something or were 100% wrong. Then read his posts and find out where he tried to say something. There were like literally only 2 posts he offered up that had any meaning to the lynch. Very easy. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 12 2014 13:38 Alakaslam wrote: I am disqualified from flying. I would appreciate not being reminded of this. Really. I am disqualified by my pocketbook, food allergies, and physique. I have enjoyed airline rides as a child, went up in a significant jet at an airshow. Spent 10 years of my life trying. Call me Gucci pilot but I can still drive and will drive fast. Maybe not 200, maybe not 100 on dirt, but this is what I enjoy and what I wish I could do. Stuff your negative disdain and play mafia. I make the best of my situation, you thank god for yours damn it. How to get back in this game really. I'm sorry. It wasn't clear enough. My initial read of your flying post and your first posts were the same. WRONG. But, to verify my thoughts and my reads in the game I saw an easy way to do it. After I read this post I picked it apart to see if it's telling. It was very telling. It told me you are not a jet pilot, you would be a private or general aviation pilot. One who does it for the love not the $. So many airline pilots hate flying, they like the lifestyle, the partying, the easy girls. They dress up in their fancy shoes and fancy coat while struting along with that stupid hat. All they actually do is read the paper, twist some knobs, type in some buttons and talk to air traffic. Nowadays, the airlines all fly themselves. It's horrific and who deserve my disdain and they are the ones that are worthless etc. You didn't respond with any indication of what Airline Pilots Association (ALPA), or Going West (aviator speak for dying) which told me that you were not a Gucci Pilot. I thought you were a general aviation pilot, but I'm happy enough to know we both share an equal love of flying and speed. I don't know your pain yet, but I will. The time will come when I can no longer keep my medical and won't be able to pay the fines for flying anyway. I'm truly sorry. Back to the game. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 10 2014 00:10 Tubesock wrote: Also I think people should read this more closely from the OP: It appears that given bad enough RNG we could have 6 Marlows, or 6 Mass Murderers, or 0. I haven't seen any post that gives the ratio of mafia to town for this game. But I'm assuming since the two newby games that peaked my interest were 10/3 and we have 26 we have 6 mafia in this game. I have 5 scum that I will gladly take a lynching to show that maybe I am on the right track. I've called out 3 of them at the end of night one. They all appeared and instead of ignoring me like I feel many were, they took it more seriously. Sicklucker is really pushing this 5 thing. Templar too. Sicklucker tries to vote me to pressure but I ignore it till Templar does comes to lend a hand. If my thoughts on this are correct then Templar thought I was a strong enough threat to support Sick in pressuring me. To me this solidifies their relationship. On D1 I saw that Damdred lightly called bs on Templar's RNG. I don't know how you would rig it, but I am sure a smart person can. It seems he would only have 20 minutes to be able to figure out who to rig it to, how to rig it, and how to generally take advantage of this. Later in the game, on one of my first few posts I questioned GlowingBear on what I thought was strange behavior of Templar's list. If he responded I didn't see it. Later I challanged Kelsier on his flirting with Bunnies. His response to me I thought was strange telling me to grow up. I guess I expected a "I'm pushing the thread" or an "I'm gathering reads from...". Nope, he says I need to grow up. Huh. I noticed a pattern with Templar and Kelsier that I didn't really notice with others. GlowingBear and Holyfire challenge Templar a little on his reads and not hunting. Templar responds with "I do have reads, see: Kita, Ninja, Froggy". 6 minutes later, Templar asks Kelsier about something, and Kelsier responds with "I don't like the explanation." 2 minutes after that Templar defends Kelsier again and leaves. Damdred dying led more credence to his RNG claim. Without that, it's pretty ridiculous. I'm certainly not smart enough to do it, but is Templar and the rest smart enough? If someone looks at the RNG claim, it's pretty easy to see that there is a relationship with Templar and Kelsier. Demdred and I are the only ones with any breadcrumbs that lead to a Templar and Kelsier relationship. Who would be more important to kill to stop that trail? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 13 2014 06:24 The_Templar wrote: I can rig RNG pretty easily. That's not very important at this stage. I haven't paid any attention to Kelsier except that he is friendly and I treat him in a friendly way. It's clear I'm batshit crazy, but I don't really know how to respond. If the RNG is rigged, it plainly shows a strong relationship with you and Kelsier, and a strategy to fish out for some town who's willing to be a distraction and possible wagon target? Are you saying Kelsier is town? If so, can you elaborate? I don't see much town in kels play. Anywhere, and I don't think many do. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 13 2014 07:09 GlowingBear wrote: Just vote HF. He will flip scum. I've just got home and I'm tired. Don't force me into making a full case on him. Can you make a case on anyone? Why'd you give up on your Templar push and then go after Koshi so hard when Koshi said that Templar is paying attention? I don't understand. That and your defense of Sickluckers play I just don't get. On December 09 2014 23:29 GlowingBear wrote: Koshi, why Templar "paying attention" is something so relevant to you? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
[QUOTE]On December 12 2014 07:55 Tubesock wrote: [QUOTE]On December 12 2014 05:47 ritoky wrote: to whomever gave me this present, gonna open it. yolo, wish me luck.[/QUOTE] Ritoky my 3rd 100% Nice. Too bad his "present" kills. This isn't that kind of present. Another Nice dies but it wont be FecalFeast, LightningStrike, nor I. We are too important for the Naughty Lynch. GlowingBear bolds Damdred's meta lie, then sights his previous Arnold role and again sights previous game "Arnie's Got A Gun?". Sicklucker, the naughty friend later reveals he thinks he knows this Arnold. Both GlowingBear and Sicklucker and NOW The_Templar appear!! Three Naughties and two lurking in the shadows. Kushm4ster needs to Go West in his Holiday Lear. Somehow won't. ALPA protects me ssson. + Show Spoiler + [QUOTE]On December 10 2014 04:45 GlowingBear wrote: [QUOTE]On December 10 2014 04:24 Damdred wrote: [QUOTE]On December 10 2014 03:54 Xatalos wrote: [QUOTE]On December 10 2014 02:45 Damdred wrote: People i won't listen about: Damdred, SL, Templars, HF, Koshi, RS, Oats, probably LS, kush [QUOTE]On December 10 2014 03:06 Damdred wrote: Seriously we should lynch GB who's whole d1 policy is to lynch lurkers not ignore them completely and fo after active people this is what he did in the one hour titanic mafia as scum[/QUOTE] Has he not played similarly as town? His first vote in the Guilty game was on a lurker. Granted, he then went after me and rayn. But I don't see how GB is top scum from that meta point. On another note, I don't think we should lynch LS today. Well, he already basically claimed to have a role. I guess 27ninjabunnies isn't a bad lynch at this rate. It's hard to find anything towny about her other than the easy wagon. Tubesock: could you explain further HTS leaning town / null? I got the impression from your post that HTS was looking bad (or null at best) and that 27ninjabunnies was just worse.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]Well Xatalos you are just so overtly town I have to be suspicious of you right now its only the right answer. Besides that I figured that would be your response since we have post restrictions. You did ignore my next post where I said not to lynch you for today though. The meta on GB isn't that bad, ever since avocado mafia its something gb has followed strictly as town to the point of getting scum read for it in some situations and as mafia going against the lurker lynch to pursue higher profile people. It is not a guaranteed scum to be sure but I think its a good chance at this point.[/QUOTE] [quote]The bolded is you lying. If you really believe it, you're forcing a read based on only one scum game (Arnold). I've went to high profile people very recently as town (against marv day1 on that game I forgot the name)[/QUOTE] He calls ritoky town right after he claims wtf I had the opposite reaction and im town so scummy. Good find. Sicklucker, your fishing constantly all day 1 made me think you are mafia and actually looking for someone to claim as it's such good cover for a mafia night kill. Just say "mafia couldn't have done it, it was the present. He had the death one." No one could know the truth. This is perfect confusion play. Look at the timing. It's 5 minutes prior to night end. Unfortunately, I was wrong on this play to kill Ritoky. If he had died it would have confirmed my thoughts and be easy evidence against you. I named FecalFeast, LIghtningStrike and I as survivors as I viewed us three as the best mlynch targets for mafia. We were all over the place but no one was really pushing any scum priority. Why would mafia waste their bullets on us? It's also a safe bet that town wouldn't protect us if that was a possibility. Why did I post this weird cryptic thing? Well, I counting about 3-4 people from D1 who outright said my posts were garbage and not to be considered. Ouch. I needed some relevance. Fecal tried to out Alakaslam. And maybe if I could make Slam appear that would provide needed attention. Did it work? uh yeah. I call out 3 of my scum by name. and say there are 2 in the shadows since it was end of night. GlowingBear and Templar have been constantly and continue to talk about how tired they are, how busy they are, etc. But they are here at the end of night? I don't think it's important for town to be here unless there is a play to be made. So, you will have to decide for yourself if what I'm doing is a play. I thought Ritoky would die but Kush would not. There was talk from GlowingBear about him being an Arnold or not. More killing role confusion. Kush offers himself as a target probably to get out of the game it turns out. But I read that, as foreshadowing a mafia kill disguised as something else. Then Sick and GlowingBear can claim town rep. "Go West", "Lear" and "ALPA" are all pilot gibberish, I added ssson to make things obvious that I was talking to Alakaslam. I needed his attention. I bring him out, the town sees me as possibly contributing. You can only know if any of this is motivated by town or mafia unless you lynch me. Otherwise there is only confusion. This is also why I'm paying more attention to my 4 disclosed mafia. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 13 2014 07:02 GlowingBear wrote: There is a missing piece in your case. You have to clarify to me WHY everything you said about these people MAKES THEM SCUM. For example, why Templar defending Kelsier makes him scum? Ir kelsier flips town, is templar scum? If he flips mafia, is Templar scum? Answer: I don't know, because it can be from both alignments equally. What you say doesn't me he people scum. Worse: you're calling people scum using unflipped association. You are correct. I'm claiming that Templar and Kelsier are scum with the assumption that the RNG is rigged. Templar even said it would be easy. IF that is true, then my reads are true. If Kelsier flips town, then Templar is just as likely to. IT would likely mean all my reads are wrong. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
[QUOTE]On December 13 2014 08:20 Tubesock wrote: [QUOTE]On December 13 2014 07:01 sicklucker wrote: [QUOTE]On December 12 2014 07:55 Tubesock wrote: [QUOTE]On December 12 2014 05:47 ritoky wrote: to whomever gave me this present, gonna open it. yolo, wish me luck.[/QUOTE] Ritoky my 3rd 100% Nice. Too bad his "present" kills. This isn't that kind of present. Another Nice dies but it wont be FecalFeast, LightningStrike, nor I. We are too important for the Naughty Lynch. GlowingBear bolds Damdred's meta lie, then sights his previous Arnold role and again sights previous game "Arnie's Got A Gun?". Sicklucker, the naughty friend later reveals he thinks he knows this Arnold. Both GlowingBear and Sicklucker and NOW The_Templar appear!! Three Naughties and two lurking in the shadows. Kushm4ster needs to Go West in his Holiday Lear. Somehow won't. ALPA protects me ssson. + Show Spoiler + On December 10 2014 04:45 GlowingBear wrote: He calls ritoky town right after he claims wtf I had the opposite reaction and im town so scummy. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My response begins here: Good find. Sicklucker, your fishing constantly all day 1 made me think you are mafia and actually looking for someone to claim as it's such good cover for a mafia night kill. Just say "mafia couldn't have done it, it was the present. He had the death one." No one could know the truth. This is perfect confusion play. Look at the timing. It's 5 minutes prior to night end. Unfortunately, I was wrong on this play to kill Ritoky. If he had died it would have confirmed my thoughts and be easy evidence against you. I named FecalFeast, LIghtningStrike and I as survivors as I viewed us three as the best mlynch targets for mafia. We were all over the place but no one was really pushing any scum priority. Why would mafia waste their bullets on us? It's also a safe bet that town wouldn't protect us if that was a possibility. Why did I post this weird cryptic thing? Well, I counting about 3-4 people from D1 who outright said my posts were garbage and not to be considered. Ouch. I needed some relevance. Fecal tried to out Alakaslam. And maybe if I could make Slam appear that would provide needed attention. Did it work? uh yeah. I call out 3 of my scum by name. and say there are 2 in the shadows since it was end of night. GlowingBear and Templar have been constantly and continue to talk about how tired they are, how busy they are, etc. But they are here at the end of night? I don't think it's important for town to be here unless there is a play to be made. So, you will have to decide for yourself if what I'm doing is a play. I thought Ritoky would die but Kush would not. There was talk from GlowingBear about him being an Arnold or not. More killing role confusion. Kush offers himself as a target probably to get out of the game it turns out. But I read that, as foreshadowing a mafia kill disguised as something else. Then Sick and GlowingBear can claim town rep. "Go West", "Lear" and "ALPA" are all pilot gibberish, I added ssson to make things obvious that I was talking to Alakaslam. I needed his attention. I bring him out, the town sees me as possibly contributing. You can only know if any of this is motivated by town or mafia unless you lynch me. Otherwise there is only confusion. This is also why I'm paying more attention to my 4 disclosed mafia. [/QUOTE] | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 13 2014 20:17 marvellosity wrote: Too sleepy to Count KelsierSC (2): liancourt (0): GlowingBear (1): Tubesock (6): sicklucker, The_Templar, ritoky (1): Holyflare, froggynoddy (1): Oatsmaster Half the Sky (1): batsnacks Holyflare (2): GlowingBear, Fecalfeast Fecalfeast (3): Alakaslam, Vivax, Holyflare Oatsmaster (1): Vivax Vivax (1): Oatsmaster Currently Tubesock is set to be lynched. 11h43m until deadline. Vivax gets 2 votes??? In bed with the mods, clearly Mafais. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
FecalFeast's lynch doesn't fit in my current worldview. Yeah, he's done a lot of scum things but him flipping mafia while great doesn't help me find his mates. Well, to be honest I haven't gone in with the zealousness I did with my 4 disclosed (In case Sicklucker forgot they are: The_Templar, KelsierSC, Sicklucker, GlowingBear). I have a 5th but I need the right person to flip and sadly that isn't Fecal. To me HolyFire's really only drove the NinjaBunny wagon which we all were on and his investigating Ritoky pretty hard. He's hunting at least. Ritoky to me is very town. I read him today a bit and really the only thing I didn't really like is he likes good jokes when talking in the beginning. Yeah, so I have basically nothing on him. On December 13 2014 14:35 Alakaslam wrote: Hijole I see you now. without google I wouldn't know a citation from a jet stream, a Lear from a Cessna. However I do know what AOPA is You also post quickly you think it's an irreparable post. Which to me made me think of the Key & Peele Text Confusion skit specifically. I find it hilarious and very applicable to the game of Mafia. I haven't figured out how to embed it so you'll have to google, but it will be the first return. Is he thinking he DID make an unexplainable error or is he testing and reading me? Haha, it's funny because it's both. You asked me to not remind you about flying so I'm going to spoiler the rest. + Show Spoiler + Cessna makes Citations, there are Jetstream aircraft (Jetstream 31), jet streams are often talked about on the weather channel, and a Learjet is a jet like a Cessna Citation but if you're talking small airplanes to the general public they refer to them as Cessna's. They mean the C172, or C206 Stationair, they don't know they also include the $25 million Citation X a sexy sexy and I think still the FASTEST business jet in production. Although the new Gulfstream 650 and 850 are in contention. I've been a member of AOPA since 1993. I don't read their magazine very often generally just the turbine pilot section or an article on an old antique bird. I gifted my free subscription of Flight Training Magazine to a couple students for a bit. I only really read Aviation Week & Space anymore. Flying, Sport Pilot, Airline, and many of those other magazines tend to repeat themselves so I only skim them at best and haven't opened one in over a decade. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 13 2014 21:21 Xatalos wrote: Could you explain why you want to lynch him? Oats is making fun of me for my batshit crazy posts. His post is Foggy. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
I read you solid town since I before I went nuclear. I thought you might be trying to tease me with your trfl or Froggy post and thought it was funny. I DO however think that we need to know what both Trfl and Froggy flip, BUT I think we should flip Froggy first. I think reading this game looking at each individual for scummy play is incorrect. I think it's more finding a strategy as there is a solid case on EVERYONE. The only actual evidence we have is after they die. So, really, town looks for motive while mafia tries to hide. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
I know they are watching and will be here during EoD. I am near positive I see them all. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 03:30 rsoultin wrote: Pues... It's not far off from EoD and there are a very small number of people in the thread right now so...if folks think I'm wrong about GB and/or participation stays down like this I think the best of the other names brought forward is probably Trfel. I did want to give him the benefit of the doubt another day, but to be frank, (pure policy and meta here, bleh) his sheer lack of presence in this thread is by far the most different from what I've seen of his play vice the other lurkers. His reads seemed strange to me, too, as I recall...town can be wrong, but for someone who can be pretty analytical they seem very lacking. I don't think he's talked about anything but not lynching FF...and not being able to keep up with the thread. Similarly to GB, I also see a lot of promises on reads that never get followed through on. Worse than GB actually. He's got less than a 1-page filter, which normally I'd be inclined to ignore, but...that's ridiculous for this game. By contrast Oats only has 3 pages, but most of his posts you can seem him keeping things on topic, pushing discussion, questioning reads and pointing out logic flaws. So, if/when it comes time for vote consolidation, I will be changing my vote to Trfel over Tube or FF. You are sooo close. Look at pages 14-18 and assume everyone is playing PERFECTLY. Is Templar and Kelsier helping lure Ninjabunny to a trap and is the trap Froggy? Who is the first legitimate vote on Ninjabunny? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 03:38 GlowingBear wrote: Dude... I think you are 100% town. Although, you are playing terribly. Why'd you let Sicklucker mirror and parrot you? you drop a "this game is easy" and he parrots it TWICE????? You don't see you are a scapegoat???? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 03:38 GlowingBear wrote: Dude... You also use your part 2 to talk about presents when that implicates KILLING DAMDRED??? You are a scapegoat. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 03:46 GlowingBear wrote: Tube, sicklucker claims he sent damdred a present Damdred dies and flips town You can assume it was the death present Mafia is unlikely to give present to town day1 Therefore, SL is town Which reinforces why SL is playing flawlessly. He's too scummy to be scum. You can't even see that he played you. And all of us. What better way to afford scrutiny, when you post such ridiculous stuff? If you are town, would you have protected Damdred? I wouldn't have. Don't you think there would have been a couple more towny people? You don't see how convenient it is to later say you are responsible for Damdred's death? I mean you've been scummy all game. And continue to be. If I were mafia, I'd come back later and say "Everyone knows you can't possibly know or verify a present kill. It had to be a mafia kill and they were trying to cover it up with scheme and present talk." Guess what? That was you! I saw it. That's why I listed you in my posts where I went nuts and tried to get Slams attention. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
TownSicklucker - thinks he has a town on D1 and sends him a gift and CLAIMS he did. MafiaSicklucker - Claiming to give a towny a gift (knowing who the townies are) and then using a kill shot on them. Then claims "Oh no! He must have opened the present!! Poor suicidal Damdred." On a Starcraft 2 forum I find it hard to believe there are many stupid people. This isn't Super Mario Brothers, SC2 takes effort. You're saying that Sicklucker is more likely stupid and thus "town"? REALLY??? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Yeah, Sicklucker isn't the stupid one folks. We are. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Why did we discard this? Oh it's too scummy to be scum, it's just such a stupid play. Well, it's worked. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Bats, you're sort of on the right track. In this game NO the gifts are CLEARLY RANDOM there are no roles that get gifts to give. I'm saying SICKLUCKER is being VERY smart. He knows there are at least 3 things that make his intro scummy. It's so scummy he intro'd TWICE (Hey guys I'm so JOYFUL). I'll repeat that. His first 2 posts in this game were a Joyful Child claim. Why did we discard this? Oh it's too scummy to be scum, it's just such a stupid play. Well, it's worked. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 04:07 GlowingBear wrote: Lonemeow: killed by mafia Kush: visited by Marley Koshi: killed by mafia Kita: killed by mafia (3kp already) Damdred: ? Do you think there are 4 mafia kp dude? Seriously? I think our Arnold killed Kush. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 04:11 batsnacks wrote: I'm trying to understand what you're saying. SL thought that only joyful children got presents. He spent a -long- time not understanding that presents were random. I think he actually thought he had a special role... he even said that he didn't understand named VTs. What I am saying is that by accepting that explanation, you are saying he is stupid. Are you saying he's stupid? Tell me how that is anything but amazingly stupid play? And that you actually think he is that stupid? We spend all this effort finding the BEST lynch and it's always the one we think is the best PLAYER because we think they are the ones that contribute to mafia the most. IT's not, it's the ones who survives. He is going to outlive us all. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 04:14 Half the Sky wrote: I'm back. Full schedule plus the bikram yoga class from hell. Never again. Anyhow... I read the thread - couple points I want to bring up from these last few pages: Tube, this quote I do not understand. In what universe as town would you not want to take out a scum (be it FF or whoever) or someone you have tapped for doing "scum things"? I know Rasputin has pointed out association reads already, but Tube, if you think someone's going to flip mafia, you should always want to take them out and push them. The information gathering part makes no sense. Xatalos, I'm not sure I agree. I actually want to say this is WIFOM. It is possible that because the mistake is or may be so obvious, that Froggy (or any other scum) might also try to bus instead. Not sure if this is sure POE. Reviewing the cases against Holyflare and GB atm. Rasputin, I also questioned the logic behind role claiming largely because of the scum KP and couldn't work out a situation in favour of town. GB cited another example where it worked, but was KP/mechanics the same? *shrug* Honestly, at the time I wasn't sold on FecalFeast. When I thought GlowingBear was mafia, I thought he was there to protect Sicklucker. The reality I think, and I have a huge post that storylines that I will paste in a couple hours, is that Sicklucker is the one who is protecting the mafia. FecalFeast I was unsure of. I saw KeslierSC and FecalFeast going back and forth. I was thinking it's a distraction, while we centered on what you thought of NinjaBunny and actually hang her. At the time, I thought it was very smart. Kelsier is involved with the beginning of NinjaBunny's downfall and then can "slip" away and find someone else to target for a mlynch. (Assuming he's mafia). Their back and forths were pretty clumsy and half assed I felt. So, I thought Fecal was mafia, the real action was on Ninja. If any attention went towards Kel or Fecal then their other mafia buddies would lend a hand and deflect back if needed. This is also when Sick came along. And LightningStrike with his irrelevant meta "reads". Notice you haven't seen LS all day? Why, when we are doing most the work. Kels made his obligatory 1 post for the day and claimed he's ill. Now, read page 102. pay attention to who SICK is "defending". Imagine Glow is town. I hope you see the one I did. He jumped out at me and then with that in mind, he tied 6 mafia together for me. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 04:23 batsnacks wrote: I am not saying SL is stupid. I'm saying he misunderstood something... and there is plenty of evidence that suggests he did. SL also over thinks stuff a lot. I can easily see SL taking one basic misunderstanding way too far. That's what I think looks like happened. You're basing your strongest scum read on something that can be explained easily by one simple misunderstanding. You're pretty much betting your life in the game on that. AND EVEN IF SL IS SCUM he isn't going to get lynched today. Find a better place for your vote. Yes, I am shooting the moon if you didn't notice. I AM RIGHT. Lynch me, I flip town, take heed maybe you will lynch your favorite from my 6. which i will publish soon. He will flip mafia. Keep going till I'm wrong. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
You are right, but SIcklucker is WAY MORE DANGEROUS. Did you reread page 102? It's but one page. See how he is setting you up? See how he is protecting your target? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
It's just a little step. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
I do absolutely think I can be wrong. This is why I'm hoping and asking for help, if people don't see what I see and have asked many times, then it's not right. But, my reads have slightly changed. I'm replacing GB, in my published 4 (temp, kel, sick and GB) and my 5th changed and found my 6th. But before I say, I think I need people to try more to see from my eyes. When they do, they will understand more. It's just like my interaction with Slam. He had no interest in me. I showed him I had something he wanted. Unfortunately, he (and the rest of you) thought I personally attacked him. I did not. I was seeing if we saw eye to eye. Now, I think he sees that I wasn't at all insulting him. Not one bit. Specifically, aviation isn't like professional sports, the best pilots are not necessarily the best pilots. Amateurs and professionals are equal. We are all pilots. I think Slam would agree. So, I need to figure out how to convey my thoughts on who I think are mafia. Unless I do that, then no matter what I say will be useless. Absolutely useless. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 04:36 Trfel wrote: I agree, I don't really want to lynch Tubesock here. And yes, I realize that makes me a potential #2 in line. I think that we can find something better before the deadline. I saw your question, rsoultin. I'm reading over Holyflare's filter again, then I'll get to ritoky's filter. I'll post conclusions when I am finished. HF is scum, but his play is flawless and absolutely brilliant. You can only catch him if you see the big picture. Or at least a part of it. Read my last page or two of filter. Read the longer posts that only have normal tone in them. If it's cryptic or whatever it's not very useful, I try to explain most things. Look for what I think about temp's RNG play and Kelsier's role in it. Then read pages 14- 18. IF you look at it and think that everypost is perfectly played by Temp, Kel, Froggy, and Sick can you see any pattern? What do you think Sick gains from his entrance? What did he gain? Total and complete irrelavance. He's not anyone's target. Tell me a better mafia strategy. Think about how well it's working. Think about how well it's manipulating things. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
LoneWolf a carol singer is DEAD now. His first few pages, had 3 of my list on them. Damdred is a PERFECT example to cast even MORE doubt on GlowingBear who has been protecting Sicklucker the poor little confused JOYFUL CHILD. Why kill Damdred? Well, he and I are the only ones to point out that the RNG can be rigged. HF, Froggy, and KELS all downplayed fixing RNG. I got Templar to admit that yes, yes in fact it can be fixed. Has he really posted since? Has he attacked me or someone else? Koshi and Kita. Who did they spare with? Did you think they were our best players? I did. Kita was just smart, and he was a big threat for skill reasons. What was Koshi up to? Who did he suspect? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
##Vote KElsier | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Sicklucker – HolyFlare – Froggy - The_Templar – KelsierSC – LightningStrike Mafia is a game where the Town hunts the Mafia and the Mafia hunt for Scapegoats. My assumptions. 1) Everyone plays optimally. Day[9] advises low level players on this when they ask “But everyone in bronze does such WEIRD stuff? How do you read that??” – just go kill them. 2) It’s about finding motivations and big picture. You can’t find 1 at a time. It’s about relationships and the patterns you can find that shows malicious intent. Sicklucker is playing a phenomenal game. It’s in fact SUPERB. He’s not noobing anything. He’s got us so confused. I’m sorry GlowingBear you are the Scapegoat. I thought Sicklucker was being protected by GlowingBear. Oh no I was so wrong. Sicklucker is the protector. Why doesn’t anyone want to kill Sick? Well, he’s just noob, he’s no threat. He had ALL of us fooled. I realized this on D2 when he kept coming at me. Obviously nitpicking me, obviously DEFENDING GlowingBear. On page 102 Sicklucker “defends GlowingBear by saying rsoultin is too good rsoultin is obviously mafia. Sicklucker said he “sent” his gift to HolyFlare. Sick is playing PERFECTLY. We all discarded him. He’s ridiculous and no threat. GlowingBear AND rsoultin will flip town. HolyFlare tells Sick to stop with this, stop with that, all the while it reinforces Sickluckers non threat to us. He’s too obvious. But what we didn’t understand is HE IS THE PROTECTOR. My D1 play was atrocious. Who here can say they listened to ANYTHING I said? D2 I exploded. Who paid attention to me? Templar came at me. HolyFlare tried but I didn’t bite. I didn’t realize at the time he should have been my target and not GlowingBear. It’s a good thing too. I think I would have lost. I had nothing on him really, not until I realized Sick was the protector and then read page 102. No post of GlowingBear is helpful to town except for his long part 1 post. Why was he the only one to respond to me like that? No one on this kill list has. It’s because GlowingBear didn’t think Sicklucker was a threat. Sicklucker attached himself somewhat subtlety. GlowingBear didn’t think I was a threat either. Not until he was getting run over by HolyFlare and “defended” by Sicklucker. Then he had motivation because there were real teeth on him. Sicklucker tried to nitpick me and put in more effort to trap me than he has for anyone in the game. I ignored him. Who comes to help him out? Templar. Then I respond and answer the questions. As I notice that more and more people are seeing me, noticing me, and being threatened by me, I knew I was on the right path. I disrupted Mafia. I brought their game to them. Mafia is supposed to disrupt town. Not today. I bet not 1 single town here thought I made any sense. HolyFlare was trying to get me to respond to him so he could engage. But I was focused. I only saw my scum and Alakaslam. Seriously, all of you thought my posts were too cryptic/annoying/confusing or insulting. Alakaslam noticed I was only talking to him. Did you notice how all of a sudden HolyFlare and others became convinced GlowingBear was mafia? Why was HolyFlare attacking GlowingBear? It’s a safe bet. It’s just like how he killed NinjaBunny. Don’t let him kill GlowingBear. Back to Templar. He opened the game with RNG that he admits he could do. Lands on Kelsier. The two of them go hunting for a scapegoat. We think this is just pushing the thread and hunting mafia. They find Ninjabunny. Now, if they trap her it’s too obvious but they can lead. Next we have Froggy enter and offer another thread driving play with his plynch non comment. Do you remember this exchange? It’s pages 14-18ish. Ninja gets asked to comment and then suddenly HolyFlare appears and offers up the first legit feeling ##Vote: NinjaBunny. This seals her fate. We all now have a target. Froggy can leave with only 1 post. Did he even come back? HolyFlare watches but mostly lets us hang her, he hunts for a scapegoat. I can see why LeonMeow was so paranoid of your play. You, HolyFlare, are brilliant. KelsierSC also leaves Ninja be and finds his scapegoat. And now we still have FecalFeast in our sights. They went back and forth all D1, but it’s past ¾ of the way through D2 and nothing from Kel yet?? I call him out, and GO HARD on my listed 4. He knows, mafia KNOWS that if he shows, I will run him over. He was the 3rd scummiest play D1. He would get crushed. Mafia must keep the focus on GlowingBear. Course, GlowingBear gets drunk and basically ensures that he has to die now to confirm his innocence. Remember Sicklucker’s entrance? BRILLIANT. He comes in with the DUMBEST thing ever. He REPEATS his first line and STILL we don’t give him any attention. Can ANY of you think of a more brilliant play to stay under the radar? He was right in our face. This enabled him to hunt for his Scapegoat, and found GlowingBear. LightningStrike enters. His D1 contributions were entirely meta reads from random games. D2 there is basically nothing. I see 3 wagons developing GlowingBear, FecalFeast, and I. When I flip, it confirms my motivation. I think GlowingBear’s flip will tell us more than a FecalFeast. FecalFeast could be replaced with LightningStrike just as easily so isn’t as strong a confirmation as GlowingBears. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
vote HF | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 05:17 liancourt wrote: The fact that tube is spewing out scum reads should mean something. Totally bleeding town putting way too much effort to be mafia. Get on the kel wagon There is an HolyFlare wagon now. This will go. Both will flip mafia. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 05:30 Xatalos wrote: What's the case on HF really? I wasn't impressed with anything posted against him earlier and I think he said he's now at his post limit... So it'd definitely be the optimal time for a mislynch on him (assuming, which is pretty likely, that there are scum pushing his wagon when it's gained steam so easily despite no good reason). On the other hand, Tube's recent posting has been so crazy and frantic that I can kind of see it coming more from town than scum...... Well, I don't like how he's throwing his vote pretty much anywhere it sticks, but he doesn't look like he cares much for his appearance. That's usually associated with town. I wouldn't lynch SL, HF or KSC now. Perhaps Tube is town too after all. rsoultin, is your case on Trfel basically about his inactivity? I think I'd rather lynch FF than him for reasons previously mentioned. ##Unvote ##Vote Fecalfeast I'll be phoneposting when I can until deadline. There is no hard post limit. Reread the post limit section. It clearly says that 100 is a problem, but we won't prevent you from playing if you are being wagon'd or something to that effect. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 05:37 rsoultin wrote: It is and it isn't and I know why you're voting FF, I just don't see it as a strong case. But neither is my trfel one. With him, it's inactivity and meta (I've only seen him super try-hard before). It's also that he keeps saying he'll post cases/reads and doesn't. That his only read at all was FF, and town of all things. Okay, he can read him town, but why is that his only read? And that he spends more time telling us how lost he is and that we shouldn't lynch him (but would be justified to) than actually playing. But if that's not enough for you, I can do FF. I just don't want to do one of my townreads...and that is where all the blasted wagons are going right now >< Honestly, if I don't die today, I don't really have a lot more to offer. Not until I'm shown I'm wrong somehow. I've posted everything. Now it's just trying to explain it. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 05:45 Alakaslam wrote: Not necessarily. I just finished my shower. I am set to leave but the wedding does not start for an hour and 15. But it is... ... Bad manners to be poring over your phone at a wedding. If you go to Kels, I will follow. Then I think more will. Up to you. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 05:48 Alakaslam wrote: I am now on FF. I doubt I will change from this You really think he's more likely than LS? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 05:57 Alakaslam wrote: Oh You believe FF is mafia more so than Lightningstrike? They are each basically interchangeable for me. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
He was posting a lot around the time HF or GB was. I saw a very smart play developing where you could pin Damdred's death on GB and look even more town. It's far more likely, given you have perfect knowledge of who is town, and can talk amongst yourself. But people tend to think it's "meta" or some other silly excuse. No, he's playing perfectly. With that perspective it's easy to see who his partners are. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
When I die, I'll flip town. If GB dies, he will flip town. If he flips mafia somehow then well, that clears a lot of people as my reads will be wrong. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
I listed my mafia list as a order of death preference. That would mean I feel the strongest about Sicklucker and the weakest about LightningStrike. I've done nothing but push Sicklucker for the last 2 hours. Like CRAZY push. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
LEt's make this easier. Either Vote KelsierSC or Tubesock. No one else. GB Shape up. You were being stubborn, and I convinced you once. IF you really believe what I said, then you know that Kels is also a good lynch. WHen he pops mafia, it will also clear you. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 06:35 sicklucker wrote: I think ksc and holy are the mafia, ff is the deflection. I'm saving this. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
He is my 6.5 though. And Kelsier is a MUCH better target. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 06:39 The_Templar wrote: Oh yeah, and you've pushed SL without voting him. Sick play. Ah, trying to get me to change more vote more? I'm not going to play that game anymore. There can only be two wagons now. It's either me or Kelsier. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 06:40 sicklucker wrote: Like tubesocks "5" is so bad. of It im basically confirmed town. Ls is 100 % confirmed town. And im willing to vote for holy or ksc who are also in the "5" Wake up tubesock its time to come back to earth if your town. I'm on Kels. BUS your buddy. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 06:43 The_Templar wrote: I'm not trying to get you to change your vote again. But you can't possibly be pushing SL without ever voting him or convincing anyone to vote him. You aren't getting anything done with that and you're only going off the weak scum (or scummish) reads you have that happen to intersect with a bunch of other scum reads. Really? for the last two hours I SPAMMED about how we are not evaluating Sicklucker properly and you think that's not pushing? It created MASS CHAOS. You can't know if it's from a town perspective or a mafia one until I flip. You are doubting me? But yet you are not on me? Why are you not attacking anyone else? you're on HF. When have you ever even HINTED he was in your sights. But yet, you are here, questioning me AND VOTING HIM???? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 06:48 The_Templar wrote: Not sure about that. Tubesock is my top scum right now and he insists on lynching either himself or KSC which makes me think they're not both mafia. That could be a play but I doubt it. HAHAHA, you can't get out of this. Look at them squirm folks. ##Vote: Tubesock. It's 1 mlynch that CONFIRMS 5 mafia and absolutely most likely 6. Lynch/kill them down my list till I'm proven wrong with a town flip. Then reevaluate. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 06:52 The_Templar wrote: Why are you so concerned about this when half the people in this game saw huge walls of text and immediately town read you? You are still mafia in my eyes, don't worry. Then vote me. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 06:53 Fecalfeast wrote: Being lynched doesn't confirm anything about your reads except the motivation behind them, sorry. That is true. It will bring relevance, you are already considering my thoughts. Many are. My dying and rolling town will make the ones on the fence more comfortable with the others who have similiar mafia reads as mine. My lynching and flipping town, supports GlowingBears claim on HF (and mine). It supports claims on Kelsier, Froggy, and will bring scrutiny to Sicklucker. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 06:56 GlowingBear wrote: Don't worry Templar, I'm keeping my eye in him. I've proved SL is town but he didn't care. Then what the hell was that big post you did in all caps claiming I was right, get your votes off now and go to HF? This is so scummy. Your choice is Kels or me. If you think Sick is town then you don't understand my case. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 06:58 liancourt wrote: no no and no town mislynching you is bad you getting shot at night is better That's possible. But I don't want a lynch to move around. People already waffled. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 07:02 rsoultin wrote: Okay, Xata. ^ One of the only people consistently making sense around here and not getting their panties in a bunch. Gonna echo Templar at ye there Tube. He said your wild determination was townie, not your reads. (Thus why I agreed with him. I don't agree with your reads, either, lol) ##unvote FF ##vote KSC Well, sorry. But I TRULY feel that if you don't think my reads are right, you can not let me live even as town. A bad town causes FAR too much havoc and confusion. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 07:07 The_Templar wrote: I thought you said that havoc and confusion was bad for mafia. What happened there? Where? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
and yet, he's trying hard to push me. Why isn't he on me? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 07:12 The_Templar wrote: I misread a small part of your case, actually. So, you're trying to agree with me now like I'm town? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 07:13 The_Templar wrote: Because, unfortunately, nobody wants to lynch you. Didn't you say earlier that your only interactions with Kelsier were friendly because he was friendly? So, like is that why you are on HF? I can go either way on this. You know both will flip mafia. Which one is easier to sheep a bus and look town? Hmm. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 07:17 The_Templar wrote: Wtf? No. I saw that you were disrupting the people you thought were mafia and I thought that meant that you thought it was pro-town to do so. Oh yes. So, If mafia can all talk amongst themselves, it's pretty reasonable they would develop a plan. I have a pretty good case that I was being underestimated by everyone. It would be pretty easy to disrupt any plans that mafia devised if I could find them in time. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 07:22 The_Templar wrote: I'm on HF because GB's case convinced me. I do not know that both will flip mafia so yes, it does matter. Nice try. Fair enough. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 07:24 Fecalfeast wrote: heading to work really soon, any objections to me staying on HF? I do. Me or Kel. Take your pick. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 07:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Link big cases pls. Can't find them on phone. Which one? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 08:03 sicklucker wrote: Some good rng there ksc was clearly drugged out of his mind and could have been either Yes, how lucky. Uh huh. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 08:06 sicklucker wrote: So I was kinda confused that he didnt vote to save himself. But I totally believed his story that he was out of the hospital and on drugs as either alignment so theres that. So power roles I wanna talk to you. If your on the obvious kill list. People like xata etc who are almost certainly getting killed tonight. You should tell us your role and any info you have 1 minute before eod so mafia cant do anything about it. If your a huge mislynch target and dont think your gonna die obv dont say anything. I feel like, even if he IS town, allowing him to live and get away with this type of stuff causes my physical pain. Which, if you are town I will apologize to you. If you are mafia god damn you're brilliant. In either case, I just don't get it. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 08:44 Holyflare wrote: Are you just oblivious to everything I'm writing? I can ask you the same thing. Why are you so mad that we lynched a mafia? We have 3 days till the next lynch. If you are town, why are you so worried and frustrated? Because town was successful today? I feel vindicated. Unless you show me some reason to come back and post, I probably won't. I made my case. Your turn. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 08:10 sicklucker wrote: Like honestly be careful I think you might hit a big power role like santa. I think none of ff, tube, hf are power roles or would have claimed already. Those are good targets. I am a good target to keep alive for mafia. I die, it gives MASSIVE credence to my case. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 08:55 Fecalfeast wrote: I feel like this makes me town as heck, though, right? KSC was on me all game No, but nice try though. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 09:46 rsoultin wrote: Here is the real question: Is Oats ever around at this time? I don't seem to remember him being around ever. I think his schedule doesn't line up with EoD very well...so where his vote is probably means very little if he's not around to change it. Oats lives in Singapore. End of Day for him is 7am. I am at 9am, he didn't move his vote because I wouldn't respond to him. Well, I did, but then left and he was frustrated because I couldn't answer some of his questions. Oats was very much on the right track, but I didn't feel I could drop the I'm onto HolyFlare bomb 12 hours before EoD. 12 hours is a lot of prepare time. 3.5 isn't much time to figure out what I'm up to, and how to counter it, then implement. If you are mafia that is. Sorry Oats. I know you were talking to me. I just didn't think I could pull this off with that much notice to mafia. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 11:32 GlowingBear wrote: His vote + another mafia on Kelsier wagon could keep him alive and kill possible town!holyflare Which means: 1) KelsierSC wagon was pure town 2) Kelsier was bussed to give someone towncred 3) HF is also mafia. And if true, adds Town cred to Siclucker and Templar. Who are also Mafia. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 12:21 GlowingBear wrote: Like, if you think Kelsier was bussed, you have to start looking who pushed his lynch the most, so he looks good. It's simply as that. It would put triforce on a bad position. I don't see Kelsier trying to get lynched instead of someone else. His gameplay here is nothing alike Tolkien's gameplay on hearthstone mafia or damdreds vigi claim on titanic vi. There was no scum motive to bus his partner. Triforce was also out of suspicious when he brought that case up. Which makes the bus less probable if HF is town. You fail to see how this is importantly related to something you call obvious but does not try to give thoughts in that direction. Sigh. you frustrate me. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 12:56 sicklucker wrote: Sicklucker HolyFlare froggy. People I dont like that didnt vote keslier. People who should die or step it up Fixed it for you. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 14:33 rsoultin wrote: Lol this thought process is still one that amuses me greatly. Tube, dude...night kills are not the best judge of who is right and who is wrong. The most valuable information they give is the alignment of the players killed, so you can then read what they've said and done through the context of a flipped alignment. Have you stopped to consider that if you do die tonight we won't even know (most like) who actually killed you unless they flat-out claim that they did? xP No actually. I read it as a confirmation that I'm on the right track and a threat to mafia. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 14 2014 15:00 The_Templar wrote: Is there any situation that would suggest to you that you are not correct? Yes. Depends on the flips of my suspects. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Anyway, I am here, I am caught up, but I'm going to the pool to sip my vodka and hope it's a celebration of my Bears winning tomorrow night and not drowning my sorrows. I'll leave you with something I know a little bit about. Aviation porn: [spoiler]I am an L382 pilot. My colleagues and I almost always say we are C130 pilots but if we are talking to miliary people who are not pilots we say we are L100 pilots. L382's, C130's, and L100's are all from the same factory and assembly lines. The only difference is the paperwork. The FAA loves mountains of paper. While I am current and qualified in a L382 and L100, if I jumped into a C130, or if a C130 pilot jumped into a L382 pilot without Differences Training we will lose our licenses. The only difference in the training is the title at the top of the paperwork. L382 or C130. The same thing can be said about why pilots need to know the differences in the words "Approved" and "Accepted" as our licenses depend on it. In checklists and flight manuals the words "Warning", "Caution", and "Note" have direct consequences for our lives. I digress. Here is my friend landing in a really beautiful but savage place: | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Anyway, I am here, I am caught up, but I'm going to the pool to sip my vodka and hope it's a celebration of my Bears winning tomorrow night and not drowning my sorrows. I'll leave you with something I know a little bit about. Aviation porn: + Show Spoiler + I am an L382 pilot. My colleagues and I almost always say we are C130 pilots but if we are talking to miliary people who are not pilots we say we are L100 pilots. L382's, C130's, and L100's are all from the same factory and assembly lines. The only difference is the paperwork. The FAA loves mountains of paper. While I am current and qualified in a L382 and L100, if I jumped into a C130, or if a C130 pilot jumped into a L382 pilot without Differences Training we will lose our licenses. The only difference in the training is the title at the top of the paperwork. L382 or C130. The same thing can be said about why pilots need to know the differences in the words "Approved" and "Accepted" as our licenses depend on it. In checklists and flight manuals the words "Warning", "Caution", and "Note" have direct consequences for our lives. I digress. Here is my friend landing in a really beautiful but savage place: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nne55zWUvZE | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Sorry, someday I'll figure out this format thing. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
Given my tinfoil if you look at this: On December 14 2014 08:01 marvellosity wrote: The End of Counts KelsierSC (8): liancourt (0): GlowingBear (0): Tubesock (2): ritoky (0): froggynoddy (0): Half the Sky (0): Holyflare (7): GlowingBear, Fecalfeast (2): Oatsmaster (0): Vivax (1): Oatsmaster sicklucker (0): Trfel (1): KelsierSC was lynched! Is it a pretty smart play to leave 2 mafia's on me, and then jump to KelsierSC enough to keep him dying and insuring Holyflare lives? This also gives some town cred to 2 other mafias, they can jump off Holyflare too if they really had to. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 15 2014 17:11 sicklucker wrote: Why cant we kill froggy/oats? They are like so mafia its not even funny we can still learn alot if hf flips town and steamroll this game Why are you not keeping your Holyflare vote? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 15 2014 15:47 Holyflare wrote: I also sent my present out yesterday. Happy birthday. My birthday is December 15th. HF saw my icon change, I hope others did too. Just for the record, I will never open a present, I will pass it on. Should I die in the night, it will not be due to a death present. There wasn't much reason to post for me as the wagon was on Holyflare. It needs to go back there or to one of my other suspects. In case you forgot: Holyflare Sicklucker The_Templar Froggynoddy Lightningstrike My reasoning hasn't changed. If anything my thoughts have been reinforced. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 16 2014 07:09 LightningStrike wrote: You simply don't claim you got a present until after you use it... OR mafia claims it for me as I'd be dead from a mafia night kill. Page 160 Sicklucker and Holyflare and talking about Presents making it look like a fight. Holyflare acts frustrated because no one is listening to him and he's the biggest wagon blah blah then randomly says (at the top of page 161) "I sent a present yesterday. Happy birthday." It's a nothing comment, until after the next night. Someone will mention that they saw my icon change to the happy birthday one, then holyflare can confirm, then you guys can argue about if I opened the present and killed myself. So, I am going to do my best to disrupt this play. I am going to be perfectly clear and reemphasize that under no condition will I be acknowledging receipt of a present, and I'm also saying under no circumstances will I be opening one. They can not cast doubt by claiming I must have been killed with the death present. If my 6 are right (OMG SCUMSLIP???) then think about if this is a good play or not. And look at who is involved. Oh, all of them except Templar who is lightly being bussed by Holyflare. Hmmm. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 16 2014 08:29 The_Templar wrote: I didn't word that very well- I'm seeing it from his perspective here. According to him, Holyflare is mafia who game town a present, which makes very little sense... I am saying Mafia Holyflare is setting up an excuse to night kill a town by saying it was the death present. He isn't sending any gift. Gifts can not be verified or confirmed. It's simply smoke and mirrors. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 16 2014 08:42 sicklucker wrote: Like no hes not. No one would even believe that. Your the only one who wont admit besides overwhelming evidence that I had the death present. No, you "claiming" to give a present to Damdred and him being killed is not evidence of you having the death present. It's smoke and mirrors. We only know when you flip. Same with Holyflare. ##Vote: Holyflare | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 16 2014 08:48 ritoky wrote: If SL is mafia, and knows he gave damdred the death present; then why would HF who you think is mafia, give a present, that he KNOWS is beneficial to town, to a town? I'm saying Sicklucker never had a present to send. It can not be verified or confirmed. It's smoke and mirrors. It's cover for a mafia hit. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 16 2014 09:05 Holyflare wrote: Just fuck off seriously you're actually worse than gb today with your one track mindedness and that's saying something. He is right though. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 16 2014 09:12 Holyflare wrote: Absolutely ridiculous assumptions all game about mass murderers/death presents /nk's /alignments yes So, why is your vote on Ritoky for 1 scum action while Sicklucker has only done scummy or bad towny things for DAYS? Why are we allowing that? How about we either wagon HF or Sick, if they turn town then wagon Ritoky or me tomorrow? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 16 2014 09:27 Holyflare wrote: This is where the crux of your argument falls apart. Not really. I've made it pretty clear that Sick is playing his role perfectly. For some reason most all of you think it's just him playing bad. He's not playing bad. I'm saying lynch him as even if he is town he isn't helping town. Lynch him. But only after you HF. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 16 2014 09:33 Holyflare wrote: His reasoning is so terrible that i find it hard to believe that someone so intelligent and playing so "perfectly" would ever make them. It's likely he's just bad at thinking and town or bad at thinking and mafia. None of what you have said picks them apart. Only soul has just brought up something valid about sl's past game now. So, you're saying he is too scummy to be scum? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 16 2014 09:36 The_Templar wrote: Did you actually read the post you quoted? Yes. If you're going to nitpick, then I guess I should have asked Holyflare "So, you're saying he is playing too badly to be mafia?" | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 16 2014 09:41 Holyflare wrote: No I'm saying his logic is too dumb to be so open and closed as scum like you are suggesting but it doesn't make him town or mafia. None of what you are saying makes any sense whatsoever. If you wanted to convince people do what rsoul said and show how he's not that stupid as town in other games and this is entirely his mafia agenda this game otherwise you are just biased and tunneled. I need more education on the strategies of Mafia. I don't understand how after 2 full days and 2 nights why I should have ANY influence from previous meta play? I get using meta in the beginning to throw out reads but, there is just so much content in this game, what does clouding anything with previous games actually do? I think it was even you saying that previous games meta were bullshit as the person misread you there. So, uh NOW I should be arguing meta? I'm pretty dense and stubborn if you haven't noticed, you'll have to dumb this down. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 16 2014 09:54 The_Templar wrote: He said in that post that it's likely that he's either bad at thinking and town or bad at thinking and mafia, meaning it's likely he could be either town or mafia. So no, he didn't say that. In either case, Sick isn't helping town win, he's only adding confusion. So, to me whether he flips or not, he's helping mafia. Lynch him. But after HF. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 16 2014 10:03 Holyflare wrote: You can argue meta if you can prove that meta exists which like nobody has done this game really but still made meta cases. His points are so atrocious that i do not know whether it is his normal play to make such leaps of logic so would consult other games to see if it was. If he doesn't usually play this way at all then it lends a lot of justification to what you have been saying about him. If he does usually play like this then your points that he is playing his role perfectly is moot because he normally plays town like that too. I just made the assumption that he was just silly and ignorant and doesn't really ever think things through because he wasn't being very intelligent which doesn't really make him an alignment. This made your case seem impossible and thus i largely ignored all of what you were saying about him. This is a fair point. I'll give you my points are all conspiracy theorist type basis. It's based on how I view your and his interactions are trying to accomplish. I'm not going to bother with trying to figure out if it's his meta as I don't feel it's useful. The only way to prove my viewpoint is if he flips mafia. If he doesn't then I will reevaluate as it'll mean some assumptions will be incorrect. I didn't bring a shovel for this tunnel. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
If 5 of your top scum reads are on a guy, what would you do? I'm going to wait and watch. If I'm wrong I'll answer for it. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 17 2014 06:52 rsoultin wrote: Well, if rit flips town the first thing I'll do is call him an idiot without any reservations whatsoever. GB has been acting scummy to me...rit's flip doesn't actually speak to my case on GB except maybe one point or so... I know you think HF is scum, so I'm willing to hear out your case. It seemed like most of it was associative...???? I first thought GB was mafia, but later he brought this big case on HF. I thought it would have been easier to just dismiss my case like the others did (assuming he responded partly due to my case and bringing him attention). I thought he was being set up as a scapegoat for a future mlynch. Then, he does very very scummy things (tunnels HF and then abandons it despite no real change in arguments, and then the drunk posts). My mafia read on HF is strenghtened by how I read the EoD2 votes: Given there were 2 wagons: I think it's more plausible that KelsierSC keeps his vote to protect Holyflare over the idea that KelsierSC is healthy enough to post, but not see that he could change his vote and lynch a Town!Holyflare and save himself. I have a very hard time believing the second situation. On December 14 2014 08:01 marvellosity wrote: The End of Counts KelsierSC (8): liancourt (0): GlowingBear (0): Tubesock (2): ritoky (0): froggynoddy (0): Half the Sky (0): Holyflare (7): GlowingBear, Fecalfeast (2): Oatsmaster (0): Vivax (1): Oatsmaster sicklucker (0): Trfel (1): KelsierSC was lynched! Afterwards, Holyflare seemed mad and frustrated because he's never been "mlynched" before, and that he was playing bad because if he wasn't he would have never been considered for lynch. Is this normal? Why wouldn't he feel relieved and happy town killed mafia? His never being mlynched streak stays intact, and we killed KelsierSC. Then, when asked about Ritoky he says: On December 16 2014 10:36 Holyflare wrote: I've gone through fluctuations with ritoky the most tbh. Like scummy as fuck for the bs meta case to not really scummy for claiming the present but also scummy for claiming the present and then he actually saw your case on me was bad and hammered mafia so i thought he may have actually just been retarded town again and then he claimed mafia and replaced froggy who was the weakest of my reads. All the other ones have good reasons to be scum and froggy was just afk and agreeing with your case. Most of you seem pretty passionate about this Ritoky lynch. You all claim he claimed scum, but this Holyflare post is pretty noncommittal to me. Although I won't support the Ritoky lynch myself, it's because for me Ritoky is #8 on the scum list and only that high because he lied about using the present. I don't see how his action helped mafia, how would we not notice that it's very unlikely you'd get a non-kill notification especially when it would be obvious when your target survived? How does that advance mafia's agenda? I firmly believe Ritoky will flip town. I will strongly stand by this, I'd love to see HF or my other scum reads stand by any of their reads. Live or die by it, but they haven't. Yet, you people say I'm town because I seem to stand by my reads but all my reads are wrong? What the what? I'd also like to hear how you guys think that Holyflare is a good lynch candidate for D2 and then all of a sudden he's town? What changed? How exactly did he redeem himself? He hasn't put in any cases, he's been arguing with people about presents or claims and then complaining because he has to post every 5 minutes while on his romantic vacation but then also says he's at his post limit? Later he admits the mods don't really care about the limit, but still. What's convinced you guys he's town since EoD2? Sicklucker Holyflare The_Templar Froggynoddy Lightningstrike | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 17 2014 07:52 rsoultin wrote: . The best way I know how to play this game (and I'm definitely not the best or most experienced(ha!) player) is to look for the most scummy players. Once they flip (provided they're actually scum) you can try to determine the scum play based on their interactions/votes. It could be as simple as one scum partner protecting another, certainly. I don't believe so, but that doesn't mean I'm right. That's why I'm not going to criticize you for your HF read. I can see your point of view. I think we approach this game in the same manner. I just have a very hard time believing kel would not save himself when he could kill a town. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
I still want to vote Holyflare for fairly simple reasons. I still find it exceptionally hard to believe that KSC and Ritoky would rather let KSC die than easily jump on HF. Sick or not, it's far better to lynch a town and then have the rest of us realize that KSC is 100% mafia and have him die at the next lynching. I also doubt anyone was town reading Templar, so HF's case was probably the easiest case to make. I'm also fairly certain that we won't stop arguing about HF till he lynches or the game ends. He's a huge distraction. I'm questioning my vote on HF because I think Rsoutlin's case on GB is very well thought out and logical. Also, Sicklucker is pushing hard for it too, and I still scumread him for the same reasons (which I'm WIFOMing myself about). I was very wrong on Ritoky, and Froggy so it's pretty easy to see my world is incorrect. Now, I'm trying to figure out if it's all garbage or just some of it. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
I have no problem voting HF or Templar. I don't think Templar has done anything towny. I think HF is mafia's ringleader still, and needs to flip one way or the other. We lynch Templar today, then I think we will spend the next three days arguing about HF and GB. If we lynch either HF or GB, then we will probably spend like 10 posts on lynching Templar. It doesn't sound like many people are towning him. I don't understand why HF will argue for so long with Sicklucker if it isn't to set something up. HF said something like "Fine, I sent my present. Happy Birthday." And the donkey that I am thought he was talking to me since TL changed my icon to happy birthday. So, I thought it was a set up. Anyway, I don't really understand why HF won't say who he was talking to, but I also don't think it matters. I still think HF, Sick, and Templar are scum. GlowingBear is looking scummier too, but I'm not quite willing to vote him yet over those other three. Also, why do people think that everytime someone says "I'm sending a present" they are telling the truth? I don't think Sicklucker had a present to give Damdred. IT was just a nice cover to execute him. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 20 2014 05:26 Fecalfeast wrote: If you don't think damdred died to a present, please outline the night kills in a way that makes sense. I can't. I also don't think anyone can. It would require knowing the set up which is something none of us do with the exception of mafia. It just seems awfully strange to me that people don't take into account that people can lie about sending/giving/receiving presents. None of it can be verified in anyway. Every bit of it is WIFOM. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 20 2014 05:38 rsoultin wrote: xP Sorry Tube, no, I don't know that's what happened, but there's hardly a reason for scum not to try to get shots off on the first night, so it's likely that the ones with extra KSs did make kills. I'm sorry, I don't see what we are disagreeing on. I also don't see a reason why mafia wouldn't kill as many as possible the first night. Or the second for that matter. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 20 2014 05:58 Fecalfeast wrote: bolded is funny considering the response I got from other people And each has different scenarios. How does that go against my argument that we can not possibly know? | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 20 2014 07:26 sicklucker wrote: no ty It's because he's mafia. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
I'm either mafia or really donkey town. Sorry guys. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 20 2014 07:37 Xatalos wrote: Btw I don't think Tubesock even voted yet? He might ninjavote closer to deadline. My vote has been on Holyflare for quite some time. I will not move it unless it can get either HF or Templar lynched. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 20 2014 07:42 sicklucker wrote: And im scum reading alot of the people who are blindly following you. Id rather templar if we cant compromise. But hf you donkey... He's not a donkey. He's the most productive player in this game. You'd done more damage to this game than even I have. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 20 2014 07:49 rsoultin wrote: I may be having buyers' remorse here in about 12 minutes, I'll admit, however this is the most pushback I've gotten from my scumreads since the Templar wagon took place. Plus almost all of my townreads are involved in it. ^^ So...if I'm wrong, Tube, sorry, bud. But I think this was the way to go. No worries, I agree. I think lynching me ends some obvious confusion, and saves discussion at a later date. It's pretty much exactly why I am tunneling HF so much. I do hope you look into Sicklucker more, and I hope I'm right that he's protection for his scum mates. Then that will lead you back to HF, hell it may strengthen your case on GB. I originally thought GB was the scum, but WIFOM'd myself into believing mafia was setting him up to be a mlynch since he kept acting so scummy while he "trapped" people. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
On December 20 2014 07:56 GlowingBear wrote: NO YOU DON'T GET IT HOLYFLARE IS STILL ALIVE AND IT'S DAY 4 SCUM DECIDED TO KILL KOSHI INSTEAD OF HF SAMDRED INSTEAD OF HF HOW THE FUCK YOU DON'T SEE IT? HF IS A STRONG PLAYER AND IF MAFIA FEARED HIM HE WOULD BE SHOT SHOT THEY KILLED KOSHI, FUCKING KOSHI INSTEAD OF HOLYFLARE Please think about this guys. | ||
|
Tubesock
United States2726 Posts
| ||
| ||
Road to EWC
DreamHack Dallas Group Stage
[ Submit Event ] |
|
StarCraft 2 StarCraft: Brood War Britney Dota 2  19327Calm  3602Mini 599actioN 198ZZZero.O 182firebathero  170ggaemo 106Dewaltoss 100Rock 30GoRush 25[ Show more ] Counter-Strike Super Smash Bros Heroes of the Storm Other Games |
|
Afreeca Starleague
BeSt vs Soulkey
AllThingsProtoss
Road to EWC
BSL: ProLeague
Cross vs TT1
spx vs Hawk
JDConan vs TBD
Wardi Open
SOOP
NightMare vs Wayne
Replay Cast
Replay Cast
GSL Code S
Cure vs Zoun
Solar vs Creator
The PondCast
[ Show More ] |
|
|
EPT
