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On December 21 2014 08:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
OK so I opened the present. It was the gun which I pointed at xatalos. Bullet's not refunded so there's no point keeping quiet about it now.
Possible scenarios:
1 You got roleblocked by scum RB since you announced the present, if scum have an RB.
2 You used KP against Xatalos. But obviously he's not dead. Nigella might have roleblocked him thinking he was scum, and saved whoever Xatalos was going to kill. As a result though Nigella also protects so that's another theory why the bullet didn't go through.
#2 is plausible given the number of people that scumread Xatalos. IMO makes him look really bad right now.
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On December 21 2014 08:37 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2014 08:31 rsoultin wrote:
Hm.
It is more likely that Nigella saved/RBd Xatalos than we had two interactions last night... There is no possible world where nigella saves Xatalos Are you out of your mind?
GB, it's default. Read the rules. You're confusing intent with result. Nigella, when she picks a target, roleblocks and protects them. Roleblocks resolve simultaneously.
One of the best things about Christmas is the amazing food and the cozy atmosphere. Nigella is an expert at making delicious things. Nothing can break your spirit on a full stomach. In fact, the food is so good that once you've settled in you're not leaving for the night.
Every night you can invite a player to share Christmas dinner with you. The player will be protected from harm during the night, but cannot take any action.
Given the sheer number of people that scumread Xatalos, Nigella went in with the likely intent of RBing Xatalos. The fact that FF went after him only supports that at least two people (and more than two people in this thread said) had scumlisted Xatalos.
Furthermore, only one person died. Very likely Xatalos is scum, especially in light of everything else brought forward prior to D5, but now these night actions make it almost open and shut.
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Damn ninja Rasputin! 
Great minds think alike.
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On December 21 2014 08:56 rsoultin wrote:
They do have a roleblocker; they most likely blocked OWS the same night that they killed him, unless scum and OWS tried to shoot the same person who happened to be protecting said person.
I'll let you determine which is more statistically likely.
Or OWS could have shot into the veteran.
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FF, you might be wrong on that. LS posted the following during EoD.
On December 20 2014 06:35 LightningStrike wrote:
I talked to the cohost and he told me that the Branch Manager can shoot non claimed Disgruntled Workers too at a lucky guess if the person they shot wasn't a Disgruntled Person the shot would fail and they loose the bullet
Rasputin, I could definitely see HF being the vet. He did claim a red role, although Liancourt posted something much earlier about being the snowman D1, so I could see him shooting Lian too. Did he mention anything about Lian?
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To add to Rasputin's point, the vote spread from D4 (5-4-5) generally means there's no accountability in the voting, and the chances of scum being dispersed on multiple wagons is likely.
The sentiment to go to Tubesock was based on 1) not having the votes for GB 2) having last second thoughts on Templar and 3) not wanting to get HF killed.
FF - I'll put it out there, after N4: Templar, Xata, Oats.
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On December 21 2014 09:31 LightningStrike wrote:
I up for a Templar lynch if anyone wants to go for it.
All things considered, it's likely. And after last night's disaster we need to get this right.
##vote Templar
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On December 21 2014 09:48 Fecalfeast wrote:
Well I wanted him dead last night anyway
##vote Xatalos
Works for me.
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On December 21 2014 23:22 sicklucker wrote:
Leave the medic alone rsoutin. And can the other god damn carol singer claim so we have another confirmed? Like there is literally no reason not to wth.
You think Xatalos is the jailkeeper? Why?
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Xatalos, Ockham's razor. There were what, at least six people scumreading you after N4? I don't see a reason to doubt FF, but I've been townreading him since end of D2. It is possible but statistically unlikely he is the godfather.
But others have brought points against you too. And leaving out GB's case, Vivax had flipped town, so now we know the stuff he said would tend to be more reliable.
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On December 21 2014 23:18 sicklucker wrote:
Lets not lynch templar yet. Thats who a hf, hts, xata scum team would want us to lynch and thats a huge possibility to me.
I remember someone else criticising you in SMIV for this and I'll do it here again, regardless of who you think is scum in any game, look for scum individually please, based on what is known, and not in teams.
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On December 21 2014 23:06 rsoultin wrote:
We've got 12 players still. If it's LYLO that's a shit ton of scum in the wings. Though I will say it doesn't look like anyone's lynching for "information" but lian.
Lian will probably vote Holyflare until endgame or until HF dies.
Also mafia are down to 2 kp, with Scrooge, BM and MM dead, and with 12 players, I don't think we're in lylo right now.
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Rasputin, do you think Trfel may have worded it that way because he was Santa and didn't want to give himself away? Of course, he got NKed, but I digress. I mean, a lot of people had FF scumread through the end of D2 and if I recall correctly it was Holyflare who called him out for the read for that reason.
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On December 22 2014 00:29 Xatalos wrote:
And what case from GB? I don't think he made his case yet.
Maybe not formal case, but this is the post I was referring to, but I had said before this anyway.
On December 21 2014 09:47 GlowingBear wrote:
Aaaaaaand I'm drunk.
Alright, listen.
We've discuss a lot about HF and we couldn't get him lynched easily. We almost said everything that has to be said about him. I don't think we should waste more breath about him TODAY. We have to catch the other scum.
By the way, is there someone firmly believing that HF is town? This is important so please answer me.
Now, I believe we should follow Vivax reads because (1) I agreed with him and (2) we now know he is confirmed town.
Considering this, I believe we should lynch Xatalos
Why Xatalos instead of oats? Because he wasn't firmly mafia read by Vivax, because he was town read by obi, and because HF, one possible scum, also list him as mafia. I'm aware HF also lists Xatalos, but there are these two that didn't cite/townreads oats. I don't want to risk the game on him yet.
I don't believe nigella would protect FF because he could be godfather and I don't believe nigella would block Xatalos because he wasn't actually the top scumread. But I really think nigella would try to roleblock a possible mafia because top town was Vivax at that moment.
I also want you to remember that ff is only SOFT CONFIRMED, because Santa didn't explicitly said he had a green check.
Nigella, don't out anymore. You'll be important night5, specially if we lynch scum and if you roleblock one mafia.
Like, consider this: if there is only 3 scum left and we lynch one now, you'll try to roleblock a possible mafia and if only one kp goes through the night, you have a confirmed mafia.
So, lynch Xatalos.
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The relevant quote, SL:
On December 20 2014 07:20 Fecalfeast wrote:
Why don't we all just shenannigan onto tubesock?
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Checked the voting record. FF had the first vote on Tubesock, but he bailed at the end to vote Holyflare.
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GB, was asleep when you asked, but as you requested
Templar: Scum, my prior opinion on him hasn't changed, overall a lot of lurking. HF's case further validates my overall thoughts on him.
HF: I still read him as town. Most of his points/explanations seem reasonable to me when he's been active. Yes, his activity has fallen off D4/5, and that's something to watch, but we are 3 days from Christmas, so who knows. I don't think it's reasonable to scumread him on that alone.
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SL, I did not actually town read Tube. He was all over the place, but I was going to give him more time before concluding anything on him. Also at that time, I felt more strongly about others and focused on them/reviewed cases.
At EoD, we did not have enough votes for GB, so we consolidated. But when we consolidated on Templar, Rasputin had second thoughts about Templar, given how easily the wagon piled up. At the time, it made sense given the 27NB wagon D1, and not wanting a repeat of that, second-guessed myself which is why I got my vote off Templar. Tube had not posted in awhile, and that's why the decision was made.
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Everyone, please wait.
Do NOT switch votes. I have a massive post coming up. Holyflare IS scum, so is another I'm going to point out and I'm going to prove it.
Please stand by.
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Templar, upon reading Holyflare's case, I'm not voting any of the three.
I'm actually voting Holyflare, and here's why.
I see HF has come in here to try and turn the tables on things. Obviously it's going to be easy for him to be picking on one of the newer players here - me - but there is something he doesn't know about me.
I've struggled throughout this game, I won't lie, so obviously I'm an easy target for him. My townie play both in this game and in Student Mafia (where I was also a VT) have not been remarkable.
But being a poor player does not mean I'm scum.
It was I who purposely roleblocked Xatalos N4, when Fecalfeast said he also shot him and was unable to kill him. He could not kill because of my dual roleblock/protection. Through our actions, we have confirmed Xatalos as scum last night. I pushed the generic idea out this morning without claiming, but seeing as I am in danger of being lynched, I am going to claim.
It was I who saved Rasputin N2 when Ritoky tried to kill him. You want him dead again, don't you, Holyflare? He's made some mistakes sure, but he's NOT pushing any mislynches. You are.
He's your biggest threat, and I see now and clear you are trying to get rid of Rasputin. You tried and failed once.
I am a new player that should be sticking to minis (and probably will after this), I'm not the greatest at pulling things together. But RNG dealt me this, and after you got rid of the first two power roles, I can tell you've tried to kill Nigella over the last few nights.
But no, you think I'm an easy lynch. You're trying to hammer me hard for D4. I failed D4, but town do make mistakes. I might be stupid to you, but I'm not scum and I can see clearly you are trying to take advantage of my mistakes.
I see you are picking on Templar, also trying to take advantage of him. But I see Xatalos and Oats also have voted him. And now he's picking up more votes. As recently as this morning I thought he was scum, but Rasputin was right. He was easy pickings for you because of his lurking. He was easy to put a case on. I even bought into it.
Now seeing your case, you've only confirmed to me that you are scum, you and Xatalos for sure, and most likely Oats being the third, but easy for you to bus.
I might die by your hands tonight or even today, but I am willing to bite the bullet for the town because now everyone realises where we are, at a major crossroads, and here, you a veteran player are clearly trying to drive a mislynch by splitting the votes right now, north of an hour before EoD.
Templar isn't scum, Rasputin isn't scum, and neither am I.
You're messing with Nigella, Holyflare. Don't.
Get me lynched and you will pay.
##unvote
##vote Holyflare
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