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On December 17 2014 06:14 froggynoddy wrote: Well come to think of it. If Rit jumps on HF and HF flips town. Then Kelsier + Rit team is pretty much confirmed. Whilst if he goes on to Kelsier, then only Kelsier (who he knew would flip) is confirmed and Rit has time to make more moves. Does that make sense? I'd agree, my impression was that it was for town cred. | ||
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On December 17 2014 06:19 froggynoddy wrote: I personally think GB slightly more likley than HF if rit flips. But I think there might be others I want to look to first (like SL + Oats). I still think Templar looks bad. What in particular reinforced your read of him? (since you said you still think...) Also wrapped up your case Rasputin on GB....looking good. Couldn't find any issues. At this point, let's just see what happens with Ritoky and take things from there. | ||
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On December 17 2014 06:47 Fecalfeast wrote: Did slam post why he voted oats? I can't see it Nothing on Oats at all his last few pages. Last post actually is: On December 16 2014 02:33 Alakaslam wrote: Froggynoddy to lynch Few quotes before that he was going to vote Froggy but doesn't look like he ever did. | ||
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On December 17 2014 06:52 froggynoddy wrote: Yeah, my reasoning on templar can pretty much be applied to slam. I just have no idea whether he is just insane... I know at least one other (Xatalos I recall) has said that Slam is difficult if not impossible to read at least the first few days. I had SMIV (my last game) with him and he was scum, but afked due to IRL and was replaced D2. | ||
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On December 17 2014 07:55 rsoultin wrote: Bats, you were right on all yours last game.  At his rate, he should start selling his Bat Traps  And looks like this is it. | ||
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On December 17 2014 23:00 rsoultin wrote: Would mafia really make the same play twice?!?! Would they make it twice solely because no one would think they'd make it twice?!?! I hate suggesting meta, but I think part of even attempting to figure this out would also be whether FF is the type of player to "yolo" like this, whether he's a joker who thought this might be funny, or if he normally plays more cautiously. I've never played with him, so I wouldn't know. Does anyone more experienced have any insight? | ||
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Not going to beat a dead horse, but given a choice between a solid case and an absurd amount of WIFOM, that, I think I'll take the case on solid ground. I used the same crosschecking methods on it as I did Trfel's, for what it's worth. As far as I can tell I don't see an updated case on HF that would make me reconsider. If I'm wrong, I will take responsibility accordingly. ##Vote Glowbear | ||
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On December 18 2014 13:58 sicklucker wrote: Wow hts is scum. There is a good case wtf are you guys talking about. Im not wasting my post to say it when me and gb have posted the same case. hint hint HE WONT TELL US WHO HE SENT THE PRESENT TOO SO THEY CANT CC HIM Being a townie does not always mean you are always correct. Being wrong does not mean you are scum. I have read the GB case that was posted, parts 1 and 2 (and I think he combined it). I gave my input. Is there additional material? If I missed it, I'll gladly read it. | ||
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- Your third quote from GB - he's using setup here. Anything setup related is entirely speculative. Vivax (I believe it was him) provided an alternative setup to that, so I'm not sure how setup implicates anyone or provides alignment indicative information. I don't think your post is a very strong one when you try and use that. Holyflare, regarding your case page 201. - Generally speaking I didn't like how Templar wasn't participatory and had a weaker scumread on him as of last cycle - The case you have on Templar is very solid altogether, especially using the meta to back it up. Both appear to have different styles of playing scum in the cases illustrated, and I would think not all scum are going play the same way on a single scum team. I made that point in Student Mafia IV that it was more unlikely that all scummers would play the same way, with two of them out of the way in this game, it is a reasonable assumption here assuming 3 remain. I could vote for either GB or Templar based on what has been presented. (Sidenotes: HF - 10/10 on the contract lol Vivax - did you really have to post that visual on page 203? ugh) | ||
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On December 19 2014 01:47 Holyflare wrote: well it's specifically worded for after the contract seeing as there are other clauses for late payment and failure to provide the service I'll admit I had quite a laugh, HF 13. Payment Penalties 13. In the event that the Customer does not comply with the rates, amounts, or payment dates provided in this Agreement, a late payment penalty will be charged as follows: o 10 spanks on the bottom will be charged in the event of a late payment. 14. Performance Penalties 14. If the Service Provider does not perform the Services within the time frame provided by this Agreement, a performance penalty will be charged as follows: o Holyflare will be lynched in the event of non-performance. | ||
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On December 19 2014 10:07 sicklucker wrote: Heres holyflares mafia strategy. Lynch a team mate or gb if he has the numbers he has the perfect excuse to change his vote and save himself. Tomorrow if templars lynched as town or mafia regardless he gets a free lynch on gb because he will kill two votes against himself. Then it will be lylo with 2 or 3 mafia with a potential kp present in there hands. He will have gained a little town cred in the process. Alright, question for not only SL but other vets who've played with HF as scum - basically you lot are saying his strategy to win as scum is 1) bus people as needed and 2) eliminate votes against himself in some way. Am I understanding you correctly? Where are you getting the "free lynch on GB" or do you mean he's going to NK GB? Also SL, using what you just said, the two people who died, I know Bats wanted to kill HF, but I just went through Froggy's filter, and I don't see any anti-HF sentiment in there. I see twice on page 2 of the filter, he says he wants to lynch GB over HF. | ||
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On December 19 2014 09:32 rsoultin wrote: lian obviously is a big question mark. His reasoning is absolutely non-existent, and he refuses to give any. I also don't trust anyone who seems to be planning out his lynches in advance. even some of the most stubborn here will change a vote as the situation changes, but not him I believe it was Bats who said he's like this all the time. Basically the opposite of Kush in a way. Still unhelpful regardless. | ||
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On December 19 2014 09:14 GlowingBear wrote: I would be reading you as town after the case on Templar, HF. That is, if you weren't holyflare. Your scum play is unpredictable and I know you are capable of bussing your whole team to gain town cred. So you're saying that Holyflare is scum for being Holyflare? You don't say... Seriously though, GB, I am trying to understand the anti-Holyflare sentiment. What would convince me of a scum HF is a game where the signs were similar to what he's playing now, so I can see the capability in his current gamestyle. Ritoky tried to use Hearthstone Mafia as a meta against him but if anything I read his filter in that game and I did not see at all the same signs for his behaviour in this game - in fact that filter supported a town HF upon reading it. Granted that's only one game of the many he's played. Surely someone here can give some of us newer players concrete examples where his gameplay is similar now. At least you should understand why some of us are not buying HF as scum, not at the moment. | ||
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On December 17 2014 11:25 Vivax wrote: Basing all your reads on night actions and setup speculation presuming you knew what they were is veeeery bad play. On the other hand you 180 ° on HF knowing that scum preferred voting Kelsier over him (might be that he asked to be bussed while being in hospital cause he couldn't play though, so his buddies could harvest some cred, that's also pretty speculative). Ultimately it's better to focus on the actual plays rather than all this stuff, although given the difficulty in reading HF's plays it might be worth giving it a shot in his case. On December 18 2014 13:32 Vivax wrote: The wifom isnt crazy, you either believe they got killed for what they said or cause scum wants us to believe what they said. If you ever played scum you should know it's almost always for the first reason, so not as wifomy as you make it to be. I'm voting HF. On December 18 2014 13:50 Vivax wrote: Yes I look at what the NKs said most of the times. It's the one part of the day where you can try to see the game through the eyes of scum. Especially when you can assume it wasn't a bluesnipe. FF has a green check so I'm not lynching him until we lynched all the other amount of scum and know for sure that a godfather didn't flip. Just backtracked to Vivax's use of nightkills. Operative parts in bold. This is looking contradictory...unless he's justifying the fact looking at HF as the reason to look at nightkills. | ||
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On December 19 2014 11:07 Vivax wrote: There's a difference between me analysing what the dead guys said and GB claiming to know what scum's exact actions at night were to prove a point, which that first post is about and you would know if you read in context. Re-read that post, fair enough. As I've said before, there's a lot of WIFOM flying around, which I find confusing as I'd been told to generally disregard. General question then, in what situations do you lot consider it more acceptable to use night actions for proper analysis? On certain players? Or do you really do it that often? I mean I can understand using it as a supplement to other evidence, but when that's the only thing do you find yourself being that much more accurate with your targets? | ||
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