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On December 10 2014 05:50 LightningStrike wrote: I just got back guys and I saw mostly discussion about GB although I do agree he didn't give much yet but I think we should wait till Day 2 to make a move on him since it's to early to tell for him. Also Damdred and Vivax have a decent point about ritoky but I not sold on him being scum just yet but rather someone who doesn't know my meta that's all I can say atm. If that's how you feel about GB (meta or not) then what is your take on some of the others I described - FF, Liancourt, etc or anyone whom you interpret to be lacking direction or just have random posts? Do you know anything extra about them? | ||
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On December 10 2014 09:04 Alakaslam wrote: Read Lightningstrike filter tell me he is town I see you just voted him. Because....? | ||
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And regarding meta being anti-town or pro-town, I don't think meta itself is the problem but rather the interpretation of someone else's meta people don't trust. Rasputin is not the only one who disregards meta, LoneMeow has told a few people to disregard meta in their arguments. On the other side of the fence, you have Damdred, LS, etc, using meta to justify some of their arguments. I don't think the use of meta is necessarily alignment indicative, as I've seen it in Student Mafia being used and mis-used for and against people. | ||
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On December 10 2014 09:29 27ninjabunnies wrote: Who the fuck is Rasputin? Rasputin = rsoultin He was called that in our last game. | ||
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On December 10 2014 09:03 27ninjabunnies wrote: Also, who is rsolutin? *sp* I don't like his entrance. Nor any of his posts after. Has anyone played with him? 27NB, he's a relatively new player, played in the last Student Mafia game with him (disclaimer: game is still in progress) and he's doing here what he's done last time - poke holes, ask questions, although I notice this go, he has a more edgy tone than he did last game, but you can still understand what he's driving at and why he's picking people/points out. As far as I can tell, a solid town read for me. | ||
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On December 10 2014 09:36 batsnacks wrote: I didn't push on OWS, I pushed on LS for blatantly sheeping one of OWS' posts. See here: Bats: You misread my post. I know you didn't push on OWS, FF was apparently scumreading Rasputin because Rasputin pushed OWS. You being called out by multiple people was an entirely separate point. | ||
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On December 10 2014 09:21 Holyflare wrote: Kush has completely gone away, hasn't read anything and claimed a role that would be great to trade 1 for 1 for mafia which he would love to do instead of being completely useless in an alignment he hates Not just that, the bigger issue as was pointed out is that he ninja voted Ritoky well before the FF/Ritoky OMGUS battle broke out, there is no explanation in his filter for doing so. Kush I know how you've played D1 in Student Mafia, but I actually do not understand your vote for Ritoky at the time you voted him. Pressure vote? Something you didn't like about him? Explain please? | ||
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On December 10 2014 09:53 kitaman27 wrote: HTS, bunnies, LS, Tube/anyone else in the thread currently. Do you guys feel this is noteworthy as well? Kitaman, what you just posted: To me, that shows inconsistency in FF's explanation in applying how meta is used. I am also making the assumption here that LS and Slam were NOT together in the Titanic Game. Both players are studying threads from other games, but FF seeing Tube doing this as a new player....I do not see how that's more town or scumlike than any other player doing research outside the thread, barring a scum QT. Considering LS and at least one more player have said they are doing research outside the thread, I wouldn't be surprised if Tubesack saw this and just went ahead and did the same thing. And with that, 1am here means I need to head to bed, with work again at 8am. | ||
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Froggy - two posts, both of which are null. We need more info from him. Trfel - still hasn't posted yet FF - I'm seeing contradictions in his reads - the weak read on Rasputin especially - and a double standard pointed out by Kitaman. The lurkiness doesn't help. Can you at least explain your thought process between Tube and LS? If I missed it, please quote. KelsierSC - He's added Bats and Xatalos to his town circle. I wonder what he thinks of Xatalos now given Vivax's developed read. OWS - Good to see you posting finally. I can't say much on you yet, since honestly I feel most of your town reads were ones most had picked off. You did sheep Vivax, but that was admitted. You're still pretty null to me at the moment. Vivax - confident enough to say he's town even before the reads on Xatalos. Liancourt - Even if this is his meta, I still don't like it. I'm sorry, I don't. Zero help to town, my friend. I need to reexamine the case on Xatalos but at this point for me, it's a tossup between any one of the lurkers. GB is a headscratcher for me. He's saying he's gathering information but I'm looking for any prelim conclusions other than the Bats/Templar (which I don't agree with)/SL reads, and his present post doesn't seem to have a purpose since alignment is unrelated to possession. | ||
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Also where are the holes in the case against Xatalos? The sequence of quotes alone is pretty strong. EBWOP - FF to me is null leaning scum at this point, same for Liancourt and GB. That said more reads from Froggy and GB. Especially Froggy who has zero at the moment. | ||
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On December 10 2014 23:06 KelsierSC wrote: So then viv shows up and he just kind of bw onto nb by calling me scum but he can't just sheep the read right, he has to make up some reasons, so apparently my scrooge thing was scummy because i am trying to get scrooge to claim and not making a play. So many things wrong with that, it was a specific play and the the retraction was immediate, No one in their right mind would actually claim there. I then called ff scum as a result and followed up, again viv says I didn't. he also calls me scum because I don't like people giving slam an immediate town read. Again the case is really fucking weak and it just looks like he has is trying to find a reason to call me scum rather than actually do it. His case on Xat is weak, it is because he town reads me. I think I have played pretty town and because Xat actually analysed my play and read the thread he is scum. yeh I just think these are bad reads so viv could be scum. Kelsier: I am not understanding the bolded part here. Am I understanding you correctly? You are saying Vivax's case on Xatalos is weak because Xatalos (or Vivax) townread you? Anyone townreading you is irrelevant to the crux of Vivax's argument which is the development of the read on Xatalos. That's a sequence of Xatalos's analysis on 27NB, and it had nothing to do with you. I re-read the case and you aren't mentioned anywhere. Xatalos: The case against Liancourt comes down to him posting nonsensical stuff, and not really contributing. Some have said this is his meta, but most of us are finding it annoying. Froggy: It is my second time here. I also found this game overwhelming but you have to find a way to manage it. Break the work up in smaller batches, from what I gather, one massive post doesn't do well for most here, you have to break it up and get content out in batches. It's more manageable I think. | ||
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On December 10 2014 23:56 kitaman27 wrote: HS earlier on, you eventually conclude that kush is likely scum based on a post from ritoky about his vote/unhelpful posts. However, you also state the the only reasoning that makes sense for a scum kush claiming Scrooge is to attract ghosts. Do you honestly believe that's his plan? The problem I had resolving this is how Kush appears to play D1 in general. I have said in Student Mafia IV it wasn't helpful then and it's not helpful now. Kush answered my question on the Ritoky vote - he said that was placeholder (so as not to get modkilled), so that cleared my concerns on the vote. He comes across as a player who doesn't try D1. The answer to your question would be no, he doesn't care, he's even stated he doesn't give a fuck (or something along those context), and I would consider his Scrooge comment to be mere trolling. He could be doing this either as scum or town. If it were anyone else though, claiming Scrooge is very dangerous and I'd accuse them of being unhelpful to town at best, assuming the real Scrooge, if any, is smart enough to avoid claiming or counterclaiming because of Marley. | ||
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On December 11 2014 02:59 Xatalos wrote: And at the same time she became more scummy because A) half the reason I was hesitant to lynch her had disappeared B) when I no longer wanted to lynch HTS, bunnies appeared more lynchable by virtue of HTS not being preferable Xatalos, there are 25 people in this game. If at points in the game, you are looking at any two people and you doubt both of them (be it myself, 27NB, whoever) well after the initial hours of the game, why aren't you at that point at least exploring or considering exploring the other 21+ people? Student IV had 3, this game probably has at least 4 scum. I know you explored OWS and FF, but that was well after you voted NB. Am I missing something? | ||
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On FF, I wasn't feeling good about him at all given the sporadic posts and asked him a question regarding what Kitaman highlighted between Tubesock: On December 11 2014 04:53 Fecalfeast wrote: I'm sure i make contradicting reads because it's too boring to pour over the entire thread looking for nitpicky shit as town. I take everything at face value whenever i am here and reading. I'm not sure what people mean as an inconsistency between my tubesack read and my LS read but I've played with LS before and haven't with tubesack. I mean, if that's not question dodging I don't know what is. The other thing I have a problem with is that if he does find LS scummy as heck, I am looking through here and he's not explaining WHY LS is scumlisted for him. I know other people have, but I didn't see any reasoning from him. I did not vote him right away because I wanted to give him a chance to explain himself but after seeing his response....just wasn't impressed. Also I used my vote to pressure Froggynoddy for information, he posted twice but didn't have reads. I called him out twice, and he complained he was overwhelmed, and told him to try and manage the work in smaller amounts. He didn't produce a read and a vote til close to EoD, I think. Tubesock has managed more for comparison's sake, and Trfel now, in an even shorter amount of time. As stated before, my issues with 27NB were resolved, so I looked elsewhere. I didn't like her tone of not taking the game seriously but I took that to be a personality trait that wasn't alignment indicative, since she seemed like that from the very first post. | ||
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On December 11 2014 11:25 ritoky wrote: because holyflare is a very capable mafia player who can appear extremely town as mafia. about 2 games ago he sold me hook line and sinker; so i have a huge skepticism toward him forever now. also town holyflare is angry and salty and tells people their reads are atrocious. mafia holyflare is more calm. Ritoky, do you have links to these games? I have not played with Holyflare (or really a lot of the players here) before. | ||
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