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On December 09 2014 09:54 KelsierSC wrote:
I didn't like entry where she said "nb I'm also town"i don't see why she knew nb was town when at that poiny she hadn't, apparently, read the thread. Then her scum list doesn't add up. She makes the same points as nb but then nb is scum
When you say "her" scum list, do you mean NB's or mine?
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I'm pushing 1am and I have to work tomorrow. I will have more reads for sure when I catch up on this.
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Xatalos, first, as explained, that first post I made towards bunnies was 1) before I read the trouble she'd gotten herself into, which I already admitted and 2) being the only other female in a male-dominated field, regardless of whatever roles we were, I thought it was cool to find another girl here. If you want to discuss usefulness of posts, that's fine, but there are a few others in the thread with far more fluff to start the game, as you put it.
Bunnies herself had more fluff at the very beginning of this thread (pages 16-17) and the whole Nicki Minaj thing on Ritoky followed by her vote on him is just...I mean if that's based on meta, I cannot tell that it is. I'm going to assume it's a joke vote, otherwise I cannot follow why she is voting him. Even worse, you look at her D1 list, she's voted Ritoky and she doesn't even scumlist him or change her vote before she leaves?
The rest of the posts are answers to questions, mostly by Damdred. Since you don't know me, this is my second game ever, first normal on TLM (thus unprepared for how quickly the thread took off) and I even told Damdred I had to keep reading other's posts to answer his questions on my reads.
Also where are you getting that I am suspecting Damdred? I even said later on he was reading town. The third post you cited (lot of reads for this early D1) was in reference to bunnies' list of D1 reads, which seemed like a lot to me given she was posting under pressure and it was so early in D1. My citing Kita was because calling him iffy for just saying hi seems like a stretch. Damdred asked me to discuss 27NB's list, so that's exactly what I did.
I was asked for reads on Froggy and Vivax and I was doing reads on multiple others at the same time.
LoneMeow: I did not skirt the issue. I broke up my response in two parts. First post was the reads on Froggy and Vivax. Second was a response regarding the 27NB's list of reads.
Also, the game started at 11pm GMT, and it was 1:30am when I went to bed with work at 8am. If I could have stayed up until 3-4am GMT to keep sorting things out, I would have.
I fell behind on the thread, which I've done some further catching up on just now.
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I also asked KelsierSC first thing last night to explain his logic for asking Scrooge to claim, he then acknowledged that he made a mistake in asking to claim, now I see that Kushm4sta has claimed scrooge.
On December 09 2014 17:58 kushm4sta wrote:
k ill trust whoever said scrooge should claim because that's the easier option for me.
im scrooge.
Kush appears too experienced a player for this knowing the game mechanics (Marley, if he exists, goes through any protection) so assuming he's not Scrooge, why did he roleclaim? I'm not following.
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On December 09 2014 22:02 Oatsmaster wrote:
Give a reason HTS why kush claimed.
Come on, try.
The only two possible reasons are that:
1) He is Scrooge and somehow he failed to see Kelsier's second post about claiming Scrooge, an oversight on his part.
2) He's not Scrooge and trying to distract scum but I don't see how scum would fall for something like this.
Neither of which seems to me would get him anywhere. But that's just my opinion unless I'm overlooking something.
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On December 09 2014 22:09 ritoky wrote:
so are you saying you KNOW he is town? why can't he be scum?
I don't know that he's town, but I also don't know or think that scum would roleclaim this early on in the game. I would think it's too dangerous for them to do so. Additionally, the Kush I recall from last game makes these sporadic posts for whatever reason and he was town last time, so I am using meta here.
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On December 09 2014 22:16 rsoultin wrote:
Too dangerous for scrooge to claim. Bad reasoning. Try again.
Then if Kush is town, he claimed to help distract scum. If he's scum, he's trying to get the other ghosts, if any, onto him for N1 to delay them getting to the real Scrooge. I'm thinking this through and that's the only other reasoning that makes sense to me.
Damn these mechanics. I think I'm figuring it out though.
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[QUOTE]On December 09 2014 22:17 ritoky wrote:
what about his ninja vote? what about his content thus far in the thread? i could give 2 craps about your meta case, no offense.
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Nope, you're right. I did not catch that until now. I caught Kush roleclaiming and it was out of the blue, but looking at filter, now when you add it all up, yes, he's scumlike. Two posts from what I can tell, really doesn't do much for what I can tell, certainly not productive for town, and the vote for you, there's no explanation, sheeping at best.
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On December 09 2014 22:23 Xatalos wrote:
Half the Sky: do you have other scumreads besides 27ninjabunnies?
Yes, I do.
My town reads seem very straightforward from everyone I've evaluated last night: Holyflare, Rasputin (rsoultin), Damdred, kitaman27 (who seems to be picking apart things as he should), you also appear to be doing the same atm.
Null - Froggy (one post discussing policy and that's it), Bats (retracted his previous argument as others had the same opinion), Vivax (talking about Froggy)
Null leaning scum - OWS - don't understand his posts, the SL lynch posts I believe were because SL was posting one-liner fluff but after that it was all one word posts.
Scum - 27NB and Kush for reasons I've explained.
I have to look into GlowingBear and Templar and a few others more. LS was null prior to his latest post updated with reads.
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Ritoky, haven't gotten a chance to look thoroughly at too many people. Just took a pass at liancourt, spoiler posts are a bit nonsensical unless he's claiming snowman, but we need to see some reads for him soon otherwise he's going to fall very quickly into the lurker pile. Not good.
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EBWOP - Liancourt at this point would be null leaning scum.
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On December 09 2014 22:53 Xatalos wrote:
Oh never mind, I missed this post. But how did you arrive at this from how you meta'd him to be town just minutes earlier?
I completely missed the ninja vote until Ritoky drew attention to it.
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On December 09 2014 22:52 LightningStrike wrote:
liancourt posts do seem a little odd but it just might be his meta that's all I can think of him.
He's not the only one, sicklucker was doing it too earlier prior to explanation, my first instinct is why throw these posts around and not participate?
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On December 10 2014 00:41 Koshi wrote:
Sky her posting style is confusing like hell. It might be because she is new to the game. She starts out calling 27nb "also town" which is not smart to do. But then after reading the thread she agrees with HF that 27nb looks scummy. But then she somewhat reproduces 27nb vision on froggy (I read this somewhere) but still calls 27nb scum:
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It just looks messy. I don't know if she is scum though. Might just have had a bad start like she claims now in her newest post.
Yes, Koshi, this is me trying to figure all this stuff out. As I said to others, this game is 2x the people my last game, and I'm trying to track a lot of people here. My first post, I've already explained that.
Regarding my explanations on Froggy and Vivax, I've hit this before, I looked at Froggy and Vivax after Damdred questioned me on it. Multiple people agreed that those two posts by Froggy and Vivax were null and that 27NB was scumlike. I also added that I could not figure out why 27NB voted Ritoky off the bat, and then scumlists people other than Ritoky. I could not follow that.
That said I'm also digging hard and trying to find any more alignment indicative information on some of the others who have posted. I have to review Fecalfeast again, he's given some reads but I'm not following his reasoning behind them.
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Lightning: I called out Lian for posting those spoiler posts and then slightly scumlisted him for not really getting into the discussion. Then he basically says "someone took the bait" and concluded I was scum.
I do not know his meta.
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EBWOP - I do not know his meta, but it seems like it's out of nowhere.
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On December 10 2014 02:23 Tubesock wrote:
I've seen that from him or posted about him in either Campus or the other Student IV threads. Those are the only other two threads I've tried to read. I'm pretty sure it's in Campus.
Tube, regarding Kush, it was hard to tell, using meta (either myself or Damdred, who has played with him more), he was fine because his posts are sporadic as town, but without meta, using the Scrooge claim and considering the ninja vote, he was looking pretty scumlike. Others (Xatalo) I know for sure was saying they haven't seen him this "nonsensical" before.
I went through FF again. He's still mostly null until I get to a few posts, but what is coming off as scumlike is his thoughts is the post on LS and his last post to Ritoky. It's not strong, but I don't know why he's brushing Ritoky off like that. Ritoky generally speaking has been reasonable so far d1.
Kitaman's reads are coming in as pretty town seeing his thought process and reasoning from last night and today.
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27NB - Can you explain why you voted Ritoky straightaway and then did not scumlist him at all in your list? That was the one thing that jumped out at me. Do you have any thoughts on Ritoky now?
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On December 10 2014 02:45 Damdred wrote:
one of my top lynches is a policy lynch basically and i know that, which makes his post even more hilarious to me.
On the topic of policy votes, Trfel has yet to post D1. In fact his only post in his filter is his /in post.
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On December 10 2014 04:38 Xatalos wrote:
Hm. You might be more familiar with GB than me. I wouldn't really want to lynch him based on a meta read that isn't even from my own experience though.
Xatalos, I'm noticing a trend here, after looking at GB's filter, I'm seeing one post refuting you for what is a pretty minor point, but most of his posts are all over the place. Damdred is correct, not sure where he's trying to go. The problem is there's a few others falling into this category (Kush, Lian, FF, one could argue Oats too) as mentioned before with random posts.
This may or may not be typical for D1, with meta being used to argue for or against some of these individuals (Kush for one, Oats was also like this last game, though I cannot comment on Ritoky, I didn't see a problem with him).
It is making some of these people though very difficult to read, and for a town agenda, that has been pretty frustrating.
Disregard meta for all of them, and they all look pretty bad.
Froggy, just read your post, I don't think #1 is entirely accurate, I got the impression people kept policy votes in the back of their mind whilst still scumhunting. Town should always be scumhunting. I think that's why Damdred called you on it.
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