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On December 16 2014 09:54 Tubesock wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 09:41 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 09:35 Tubesock wrote:On December 16 2014 09:33 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 09:30 Tubesock wrote:On December 16 2014 09:27 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 09:25 Tubesock wrote:On December 16 2014 09:12 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 09:11 rsoultin wrote:On December 16 2014 09:06 sicklucker wrote:
Actually wait it makes sense if gb is town which I think is still probably true.
The only way a mafia would mention they have a present is if a town sent it to them and they know they will be under suspicion if they dont use it.
So ok gb town ritoky mafia makes sense lets do this. I think you are very good at not seeing all the angles. Like, for instance, how someone can just pass a present on. Deliberately obtuse or oblivious? Anyone else curious about SL's gift for making definitive WIFOM statements at every opportunity? Or that he never, ever, ever expresses a single doubt about GB? Paranoia, my friend, is a town trait. And you had it in spades last time I played with you. Absolutely ridiculous assumptions all game about mass murderers/death presents /nk's /alignments yes So, why is your vote on Ritoky for 1 scum action while Sicklucker has only done scummy or bad towny things for DAYS? Why are we allowing that? How about we either wagon HF or Sick, if they turn town then wagon Ritoky or me tomorrow? This is where the crux of your argument falls apart. Not really. I've made it pretty clear that Sick is playing his role perfectly. For some reason most all of you think it's just him playing bad. He's not playing bad. I'm saying lynch him as even if he is town he isn't helping town. Lynch him. But only after you HF.  His reasoning is so terrible that i find it hard to believe that someone so intelligent and playing so "perfectly" would ever make them. It's likely he's just bad at thinking and town or bad at thinking and mafia. None of what you have said picks them apart. Only soul has just brought up something valid about sl's past game now. So, you're saying he is too scummy to be scum? No I'm saying his logic is too dumb to be so open and closed as scum like you are suggesting but it doesn't make him town or mafia. None of what you are saying makes any sense whatsoever. If you wanted to convince people do what rsoul said and show how he's not that stupid as town in other games and this is entirely his mafia agenda this game otherwise you are just biased and tunneled. I need more education on the strategies of Mafia. I don't understand how after 2 full days and 2 nights why I should have ANY influence from previous meta play? I get using meta in the beginning to throw out reads but, there is just so much content in this game, what does clouding anything with previous games actually do? I think it was even you saying that previous games meta were bullshit as the person misread you there. So, uh NOW I should be arguing meta? I'm pretty dense and stubborn if you haven't noticed, you'll have to dumb this down.
You can argue meta if you can prove that meta exists which like nobody has done this game really but still made meta cases. His points are so atrocious that i do not know whether it is his normal play to make such leaps of logic so would consult other games to see if it was. If he doesn't usually play this way at all then it lends a lot of justification to what you have been saying about him. If he does usually play like this then your points that he is playing his role perfectly is moot because he normally plays town like that too.
I just made the assumption that he was just silly and ignorant and doesn't really ever think things through because he wasn't being very intelligent which doesn't really make him an alignment. This made your case seem impossible and thus i largely ignored all of what you were saying about him.
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Totes back home tomorrow btw! Also i don't think ritoky's points are terrible i just don't think they are correct in the overall assumption.
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And gb i afk'd after making those cases but if you want to bounce i think it's you, ritoky, templar, oats
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If you're wondering where froggy went well then you're asking too much
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On December 16 2014 10:31 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 10:21 Holyflare wrote:
And gb i afk'd after making those cases but if you want to bounce i think it's you, ritoky, templar, oats I'm with froggynoddy, you, Xatalos, ritoky(?), maybe Templar. Can you explain to me exactly what makes froggy null more than scummy? I have a hard time understanding it. Oats does look bad, btw.
Nothing more than ritoky claiming scum really :p
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I've gone through fluctuations with ritoky the most tbh. Like scummy as fuck for the bs meta case to not really scummy for claiming the present but also scummy for claiming the present and then he actually saw your case on me was bad and hammered mafia so i thought he may have actually just been retarded town again and then he claimed mafia and replaced froggy who was the weakest of my reads.
All the other ones have good reasons to be scum and froggy was just afk and agreeing with your case.
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On December 16 2014 10:40 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 10:36 Holyflare wrote:
I've gone through fluctuations with ritoky the most tbh. Like scummy as fuck for the bs meta case to not really scummy for claiming the present but also scummy for claiming the present and then he actually saw your case on me was bad and hammered mafia so i thought he may have actually just been retarded town again and then he claimed mafia and replaced froggy who was the weakest of my reads.
All the other ones have good reasons to be scum and froggy was just afk and agreeing with your case. My problem here is that his entrance was bad and he didn't step up after. He admits that when we don't have a good read it is okay to lynch lurkers. Then, a huge wagon was on bunnies, so: a) he either believes bunnies is mafia or b) has no idea and tries to lynch a lurker. I don't see him doing any of these.
All his day 1 was bad seeing as all his targets were town and all his scum reads were based on things that don't make people mafia :p
Also ignoring the bunnies lynch is kind of outrageous even if he claims it's because he doesn't get good reads on her. Like he scum read me for not properly reading bunnies and updating reads on her (even though i did) while having no opinion on bunnies himself??
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On December 16 2014 10:50 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2014 22:50 froggynoddy wrote:[Am reading through the thread and responding to what I see - hence disjointed structure] I don't like the ritocky vote. When the NB wagon was going he was the only one to really try and pressure two other players. This feels town to me (as NB flipped town herself). Declaring he was opening the present is stupid, not scummy (as far as I understand the mechanic of preseent opening. -------------------------------------------- On December 12 2014 08:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Who was masoned with kita?
Time to claim. This has already been answered in the thread. I don't like that you are asking this straight up. I personally think its way too early to role claim. We need to lynch properly and then consider day 3. -------------------------------------------- The templar is definitely scum. All his posts so far have been sensible yet have given nothing of value. He has not pushed or. Oats would also be a good lynch but would prefer templar.-------------------------------------------- On December 12 2014 11:05 sicklucker wrote:On December 12 2014 10:37 Tubesock wrote:On December 12 2014 09:53 Alakaslam wrote:
##kelsierSC
Yes YES. He is of the 5. Holy slip batman!
##Vote: Tubesock
Like, this thing here. He says Templar is definetely mafia but bad up voting Tubesock. I can't understand town mindset behind this
Man he says he agrees with your case but then questions you about how inconsistent doesn't = scummy when that's the whole premise of your case. I mean like mehhh. He doesn't end up voting for me which is a ++++ though his vote is very wasted.
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On December 16 2014 10:59 batsnacks wrote:
Okay being serious.
What if ritoky and HF are BOTH town? What if we believe everything they expect us to believe.
ritoky made a bad decision and got himself into a bad cycle of lies
HF is being incriminated by an apathetic KSC and ritoky who made a bad decision and got himsrlf into a bad cycle of lies
What then?
If it's 4 mafia and they have 2kp then it's 2 mislynches which is
12vs4
Mislynch and 2kp is 9vs4
Mislynch and 2kp is 6vs4 lylo
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On December 16 2014 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 10:59 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 10:50 GlowingBear wrote:On December 12 2014 22:50 froggynoddy wrote:[Am reading through the thread and responding to what I see - hence disjointed structure] I don't like the ritocky vote. When the NB wagon was going he was the only one to really try and pressure two other players. This feels town to me (as NB flipped town herself). Declaring he was opening the present is stupid, not scummy (as far as I understand the mechanic of preseent opening. -------------------------------------------- On December 12 2014 08:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Who was masoned with kita?
Time to claim. This has already been answered in the thread. I don't like that you are asking this straight up. I personally think its way too early to role claim. We need to lynch properly and then consider day 3. -------------------------------------------- The templar is definitely scum. All his posts so far have been sensible yet have given nothing of value. He has not pushed or. Oats would also be a good lynch but would prefer templar.-------------------------------------------- On December 12 2014 11:05 sicklucker wrote:On December 12 2014 10:37 Tubesock wrote:On December 12 2014 09:53 Alakaslam wrote:
##kelsierSC
Yes YES. He is of the 5. Holy slip batman!
##Vote: Tubesock
Like, this thing here. He says Templar is definetely mafia but bad up voting Tubesock. I can't understand town mindset behind this Man he says he agrees with your case but then questions you about how inconsistent doesn't = scummy when that's the whole premise of your case. I mean like mehhh. He doesn't end up voting for me which is a ++++ though his vote is very wasted. Yeah. I'll vote him if you also vote
Over someone that practically claimed mafia.....???
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On December 16 2014 11:02 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 10:59 batsnacks wrote:
Okay being serious.
What if ritoky and HF are BOTH town? What if we believe everything they expect us to believe.
ritoky made a bad decision and got himself into a bad cycle of lies
HF is being incriminated by an apathetic KSC and ritoky who made a bad decision and got himsrlf into a bad cycle of lies
What then?
If it's 4 mafia and they have 2kp then it's 2 mislynches which is 12vs4 Mislynch and 2kp is 9vs4 Mislynch and 2kp is 6vs4 lylo
What's more likely is
12v4
Mafia lynch and 2kp 10vs3
Lynch me to get your panties out of this retarded bunch and 2kp 7vs3
Follow my reads and then win game from there
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On December 16 2014 11:05 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 11:03 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 11:02 GlowingBear wrote:On December 16 2014 10:59 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 10:50 GlowingBear wrote:On December 12 2014 22:50 froggynoddy wrote:[Am reading through the thread and responding to what I see - hence disjointed structure] I don't like the ritocky vote. When the NB wagon was going he was the only one to really try and pressure two other players. This feels town to me (as NB flipped town herself). Declaring he was opening the present is stupid, not scummy (as far as I understand the mechanic of preseent opening. -------------------------------------------- On December 12 2014 08:58 GlowingBear wrote:
Who was masoned with kita?
Time to claim. This has already been answered in the thread. I don't like that you are asking this straight up. I personally think its way too early to role claim. We need to lynch properly and then consider day 3. -------------------------------------------- The templar is definitely scum. All his posts so far have been sensible yet have given nothing of value. He has not pushed or. Oats would also be a good lynch but would prefer templar.-------------------------------------------- On December 12 2014 11:05 sicklucker wrote:On December 12 2014 10:37 Tubesock wrote:On December 12 2014 09:53 Alakaslam wrote:
##kelsierSC
Yes YES. He is of the 5. Holy slip batman!
##Vote: Tubesock
Like, this thing here. He says Templar is definetely mafia but bad up voting Tubesock. I can't understand town mindset behind this Man he says he agrees with your case but then questions you about how inconsistent doesn't = scummy when that's the whole premise of your case. I mean like mehhh. He doesn't end up voting for me which is a ++++ though his vote is very wasted. Yeah. I'll vote him if you also vote Over someone that practically claimed mafia.....??? Will you vote froggynoddy or not?
Not over ritoky no??
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On December 16 2014 11:07 batsnacks wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2014 11:02 Holyflare wrote:On December 16 2014 10:59 batsnacks wrote:
Okay being serious.
What if ritoky and HF are BOTH town? What if we believe everything they expect us to believe.
ritoky made a bad decision and got himself into a bad cycle of lies
HF is being incriminated by an apathetic KSC and ritoky who made a bad decision and got himsrlf into a bad cycle of lies
What then?
If it's 4 mafia and they have 2kp then it's 2 mislynches which is 12vs4 Mislynch and 2kp is 9vs4 Mislynch and 2kp is 6vs4 lylo Can you do what you just did except with names instead of numbers?
Today is d3 and it's 12vs4
If we lynch ritoky and he is town then d4 is 9vs4
If we lynch myself then with 2kp day 5 will be 6v4 which is actually also unwinnable so day 4 mylo
Today is d3 12vs4
If we lynch ritoky and he is mafia then d4 is 10v3
If we lynch me then its d5 and 7v3
Then if you mislynch it's day 6 4v3 which now that i think about it is unwinnable so d5 lylo
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So actually the people that were pushing me today as flips for information were the people pushing the biggest mafia agenda in the world because then they only need 1 mislynch which would be super simple with all the confusion from my flip
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Going to bed and will be back tomorrow evening when i get data back
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I thought it was already proven obi shot lonemeow? Lonemeow was sick towny and obi said lonemeow was mafia before he shot him
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Sicklucker you maintained that there was no mass murderer for like 2 days and now you're saying there is??
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On December 17 2014 01:31 Holyflare wrote:
Sicklucker you maintained that there was no mass murderer for like 2 days and now you're saying there is??
Ok nvm you claimed there was and damd opened present
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