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Seriously.
READ MY CASE.
VOTE HOLYFLARE OR POINT OUT WHY MY CASE IS WRONG.
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I'd like to add that I had this idea before the game started that due to post limitations, scum HF would probably post/push as much/as hard as possible at the beginning of each day to exploit that mechanic.
I really hated the ritoky push and I think it is consistent with that theory.
Thoughts anyone?
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Ok, I'm pretty suspicious of KelsierSC.
The first real thing he does in the game are these posts, which I'm sure everyone is familiar with:
On December 09 2014 08:46 KelsierSC wrote:
So i have noticed something with this set up. If you are scrooge just claim.
On December 09 2014 08:55 KelsierSC wrote:
Ah ignore my scrooge comment i misread one of the roles
On December 09 2014 09:30 KelsierSC wrote:
So i think fecal is scum, we played a game together as town and early game he was very try hard, essentially Kush made a set up/mechanics comment and fecal went back to the setup, worked through all the permutations and then asked Kush to explain. Super town super eager.
this game i make a set up comment, then retract it and ff doesn't bat n eyelid. All he does is talk to slam about sumo. Which is pretty pointless. Like "herez an excuse nit to scumhunt" it doesn't feel towny at all
This feels really weak to me, especially now that KelsierSC linked the game that he refers to. I don't understand how he can possibly find Fecalfeast the slightest bit scummy for this. It feels like he is really forcing this read from nothing, while potentially identifying a stupid Scrooge (which happened...) and appearing towny.
On December 09 2014 09:12 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 09:10 Holyflare wrote:On December 09 2014 09:05 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm liking holyflare now, i didn't like his post about how he wasn't going to post, seemed like a good excuse to lurk. But he has backed it up with actual pressure.his pressure on nb is actually strong and the explanation is good. It also feels like town hf to me.
Do you know how I play as mafia? This seems pretty baseless if you do and even more so if you don't. i saw you play town and this feels like town, I'm happy with the read for d1
Same with his early townread on Holyflare. Even Holyflare says that it is weak, and I agree. We've already established that Holyflare is really good at playing Mafia, and that makes it really hard to identify him. So no, a meta case that early into the game isn't very good. This post again lacks substance, and feels like he is making a read for the purpose of making a read.
On December 09 2014 09:51 KelsierSC wrote:
Hf, bats have you played with ff much? What is his d1 like normally?
This post seems to take even more force out of his meta case on Fecalfeast. Is it really a good argument, if he isn't sure himself what Fecalfeast's day 1 play is like?
KelsierSC and I seem to be the only two people who read batsnacks as town for the post he made on Half the Sky. (Since then, batsnacks' play has made me much more suspicious, but that isn't the point of this post). The weird thing is, KelsierSC read batsnacks as town because he agreed with batsnacks' post. The validity of batsnacks' post has since been shown to be very questionable, but KelsierSC hasn't changed his stance.
KelsierSC then spends several posts focusing on Alakaslam. Here is his explanation.
On December 09 2014 10:37 KelsierSC wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 10:33 Holyflare wrote:
You should also stop wasting your time trying to read slam and just try and make him interact with you about this game instead. He can actually play mafia and says insightful things. I'm not reading slam. But the free town passes he is getting are good info. especially people who call him semi town.. Wtf is that Later, he goes back on this and says that this didn't end up working out. More words, less analysis.
His scum list seems to be changing without that much explanation. He says that he would happily vote 27nb, but doesn't include her in his lynch list. And his inclusion of Vivax in the lynch list for bad reads seems strange. Bad reads don't necessarily make someone scum, it is the intent behind them. And these reads are seeming forced.
Later, he comes back with a new post, and Vivax isn't mentioned in his scum reads at all.
The point about his changing stance on ritoky is also interesting. He puts ritoky into his town circle, then adds him to his lynch list, saying he has done absolutely nothing. His explanation of this is that he forgot he had him in his town circle. Shouldn't his reads be the same every time, even if he forgot all of his previous reads? If he was trying hard to make real reads, they would. If his read changed due to new information, that would be good, but the only new information he provided is that a few people scumread him. "I forgot" and "others are scumreading him" are not good reasons to change a read like that, he should at least investigate the case himself.
In conclusion, I would be happy to lynch KelsierSC. Moreso than Fecalfeast, anyway. Obviously it's not certain, but it seems better than anything else.
Now I will take a look at GlowingBear's complete case on Holyflare.
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On December 14 2014 06:02 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 05:58 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 05:49 GlowingBear wrote:PART 2Odd final count analysis and lack of push on town agendaOn December 11 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2014 12:41 ritoky wrote:On December 11 2014 12:33 Holyflare wrote:
you're literally saying right here in the thread that the fact that I updated my read with my own tidbits + what other people had said makes me mafia? ahahahaha how many posts do you think bunnies made in that time frame? 1000? how many posts do I have to spend in a post limited game explaining things that other people are saying + adding my own things on? also the stuff that I said kita mentioned I fleshed out more in that post so it was actually my original thoughts and not just the bolded which you seem to imply it is
also, her points on kelsier were crap, the fact that I'm starting to scum read him now is totally irrelevant to her case being crap at all because it purely involves her flipping town and the stuff he said previous to her flipping
I find it hard to believe you could believe anything you are typing at all. she made 3 pages worth of posts, actually, so yes she made quite a few. I believe that's over 40 posts to respond to, so your exaggerating and laughing, but actually you're just lying and implying she didn't post a lot or a lot of substance. if she is your top scum read, 3 posts to push and develop your read seems shallow at best; especially with your standards. hell you devoted the same or more posts in the same time frame to reading vivax, kels, and xat; who you didn't push on at all. and i disagree that any of what you said regarding kita's stuff is original, it is all sheep. further as town you are one of the largest proponents of using your vote as a means of pressuring people into giving information, and you felt perfectly fine leaving it on a town. like you're just plain mafia. So you're saying that even though I spent 2-3 pages of filter PREVIOUSLY talking about bunnies all game the fact that I only spent a few long posts on her LATER when she had only posted like a page or less since I left with a lot of fluff in it makes me mafia? Why are you using the the latter half of the game to justify a read on me that should span the whole game? Have you even bothered to check the timestamps of when I've been around, I was sick all day and literally posted as much as I could on as many people I could in the time frame that I've been here (without trying to devolve into spammyness) I can't believe you'd ever make this read as town. Ever. It literally shows no progression of thought process at all and is a rough job of a case that is based on falsities twisted to fit your narrative. There is no way on this planet that a town ritoky would make this case. Just like the case you made on LS using exclusively meta reads. None of these things you are saying make anyone scum yet you're pushing them so vehemently that it's making YOU look scummy instead. I hope someone shoots this guy (ritoky) btw. On December 11 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay Oatsmaster I got a Null read on him due to him not as much as he did on his town games but I guess the limit on the post number on each persons filter making try to conserve his posts a lot more than normal he did have some nice questions but he also made a weird call on Vivax being scum so idk what the true nature of his read on him is.
KSC I got him scum right now since most of his posts were more fluff than anything and he didn't ask good questions except once towards me but he also had a I told you so attitude on the lynch of 27ninja before the lynch which one of the scum members in the Campus Mafia game said about me when I was getting lynched kind of tells me he is scum at this point.
I dunno about oats anymore. My point on him was made kinda moot by xata so he's really just a ?. Don't like his wasted vote on vivax after saying he looked towny at all though. In fact there were a LOT of wasted votes. ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies, kushm4sta, Fecalfeast27ninjabunnies (10): batsnacks, The_Templar, Fecalfeast, Holyflare, batsnacks, Half the Sky, sicklucker, kitaman27, liancourt, Vivax, Koshi, Alakaslam, Xatalos, Tubesock, Tubesock, Trfel Half the Sky (0): batsnacks, Xatalos, KoshiThe_Templar (2): GlowingBear, froggynoddy sicklucker (0): rsoultin, ObiWanShinobiObiWanShinobi (0): rsoultinVivax (1): Oatsmaster LightningStrike (0): ritoky, Alakaslamsicklucker (0): LightningStrikeliancourt (0): LightningStrikeGlowingBear (1): Damdred Fecalfeast (3): ritoky, LoneMeow, KelsierSC KelsierSC (3): The_Templar, 27ninjabunnies, LightningStrike, Alakaslam Xatalos (4): ObiWanShinobi, Vivax, Fecalfeast, rsoultin, Tubesockfroggynoddy (1): Half the Sky kush, gb, froggy, oats, damd, ritoky, lonemeow, kelsiersc, ls, slam, obi, vivax, fecal, rsoul, htsgonna check out all of those filters at some point to see their views on bunnies and why they weren't on her/what they were doing, kinda bad to still be on xata after he kinda adequately explained every accusation against him tbh and those rogue 1 and 2 voters that are on targets that were barely ever pushed at all (gb, froggy, hts) look terrible A good way to catch mafia is looking at who wasted their votes on the final votecount of a day. This looks like an attempt to do that. But, you see, he oddly points out EVERY other person outside the main wagon, which is NOT a reasonable thing, specially when we are talking about such strong player as Holyflare. Following his logic, me, frog and hts looks terrible. This is him stablishing the town agenda. In fact, our wasted votes looks terrible. Reminder: he didn't like froggynoddy's entrance either. But look at how inconsistent is his play: he stablishes town agenda, but pushes his own agenda (pushing ritoky). He does NOTHING to see these 3 people's alignment. He is NOT interested in these 3 people's alignment. He is just interested to look like an aggressive townie pushing ritoky, but he is actually not trying to solve the game. He is not trying to discover ritoky's alignment. He is just pushing for the sake of pushing someone. Why this comes from a mafia?: Mafia tends to look contributive but lacks the town intention for solving the game. He simply displays 3 names people should take a look at but does not go after those names. He is disinterested in solving the game, to discover people's alignment. That's not a townie. A townie would go against those 3 names he spoke of. He just posted this analysis because he wants to look contributive. Town read on froggynoddyWhen I noticed these patterns, I inquired him for reads on froggynoddy and Vivax. This is his response: On December 12 2014 10:21 Holyflare wrote:On December 12 2014 10:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Holyflare
Your reads on froggynoddy and vivax, please. I have no idea how this is relevant in the slightest when I've made it pretty clear who i think mafia are. Either way, froggy is a kindaaaa towny/i dunno read. He writes quite long posts to say not much but I dunno how to explain that I don't want to lynch him other than saying his posts look innocent enough and to the point. He also wanted people to talk to him about his templar read that he's been pushing around the deadline which was cool and I kinda regret not talking to him more, he also said something around the bunnies lynch which i forget that made it seem like he was actually thinking about the game. I wouldn't say it's particularly difficult stuff to post as mafia but it seems pretty genuine to me. Vivax has been pushing people that I agree look scummy (- xatalos) but his reasons for doing it look like he's putting in the effort to find out inconsistencies. After a few games where we've been wrong on each other I think we've just resorted to ignoring the other and are just gonna base it on overall play. Well I am anyway. Not really bothered to elaborate further. You see, he was scumreading froggy noddy, said he looked terrible by his wasted vote, BUT CALLS HIM TOWN WHEN ASKED FOR A READ. This is someone who is NOT consistent with his reads. This is someone who gives fabricated reads and forgets them, or someone who doesn't want to scumread a possible partner. I know for a fact that Holyflare does this a lot. He scumreads a partner to further townread him. Remember: HE HAD NO ATTEMPT TO DISCOVER FROGGY'S ALIGNMENT. He started having this townread on him out of nothing, which is completely scummy. I'm sure you can understand mafia motivation behind it. Scumread on me This is hilarious. I want you to check these two posts regarding me, from the most recent to the oldest: On December 13 2014 08:29 Holyflare wrote:
I can only assume someone pushing so much false information is mafia. Much like ritoky who even when presented with multiple pieces of evidence to show that his meta was wrong continued to push his scum read on me. Not to mention his initial contradictory stance on how he has a super solid meta read on me but was fooled last game even though he said that meta read existed then too. Glad to see absolutely nobody in this game is paying attention to that. On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.-
Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand.
Ls looks not bad to me, dunno why people are hating on him giving all the meta when loads of other people do the same. Ritoky seems angry for some reason because of this??
Obi still being useless, just because he was useless last game (russian) as town doesn't stop him being able to be useless this game as mafia. It just means he's useless which increases the odds of him being mafia.
Kush.. Meh will resolve itself i think
Gb hasn't really done anything but hasn't done anything outrageously wrong like I'd expect him to as town but his picking on solely koshi and like nothing else is wearing thin and is pretty scummy
I dunno feel kinda iffy about hts after reading the things about kush feels a bit too flippant
New list oats, obi, (gb?) bunnies
Mehhhhbe/mehhhhbe not: hts, kush
HAHAHA HE SAYS IT'S A TOWN TRAIT FOR ME FOR BEING OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG, BUT WHEN HE THINKS I'M OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG THE SCUMREADS ME. This is the most inconsistent thing I have ever seen. He didn't scumread me because I acted scummy. He scumread me because he felt I was getting close to him. He is trying to discredit me and to survive, and not to figure out my alignment. Town perspective would be evaluate my action and figure out my alignment for something he already knows about my gameplay. Mafia perspective is "I'm getting caught, I have to make this guy look bad" ##VOTE: HOLYFLARE RIGHT NOW!!!! GB...your logic is nuts. 1. HF wanted to look at the wasted votes. He did not say that everyone "wasting" votes was scum. Nor would any sane person believe that. Froggy has barely posted. 2. Comparing an early read on you when you'd barely posted to a much later read on you does not prove inconsistency at all. This is not a good case. I'm starting to believe you're misinterpreting me on purpose. 1) Looking at wasted votes = he has suspicions. He did nothing to figure out those people's alignment. 2) It's not a thing of early read. It's that he says I'm town when I do something outrageously wrong. I do something outrageously wrong in his conception and he scumreads me. Explain me this logic, because it's absurd. Also, I forgot to say about the push on ritoky at night but not questioning the present opening thing, which is ridiculous when you have such a strong scumread. You'll have to agree with me on this because you also felt that thing was wrong.
I do agree with you on his not questioning ritoky's claim, GB.
I cannot blame a soul for scumreading you when you're pushing mass role claims, though. You may be right that his push on both you and ritoky was reactionary. I don't know. But I do know that I don't see this as overwhelmingly scummy.
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Hijole.
You have to lynch like everybody
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Town just gives up? No as town u spew scum reads and try to avoid a mislynch. And in the event that u do get lynched the reads will hold some weight and help out town. I would trust the reads of a dead confirmed town than a live unflipped person.
Mafia dont scum hunt when they have majority votes.
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On December 14 2014 06:05 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 06:04 GlowingBear wrote:
I WILL LYNCH WHOEVER DOES NOT VOTES ON HOLYFLARE AFTER THE BEST CASE OF MY LIFE
I
WILL
LYNCH
WHOEVER
DOES
NOT
VOTES
ON
HF
AND I'LL PM GAY PORN EVERYDAY TO YOU GUYS. EVERYDAY. will switch if tubesock's tryhard defense continues to convince enough people to unvote him
You will switch now.
Mafia is deflecting the ongoing HF's lynch. It was the best opportunity for them to lynch HF but they started deflecting it to FF.
You will switch NOW.
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On December 14 2014 06:07 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 06:05 The_Templar wrote:On December 14 2014 06:04 GlowingBear wrote:
I WILL LYNCH WHOEVER DOES NOT VOTES ON HOLYFLARE AFTER THE BEST CASE OF MY LIFE
I
WILL
LYNCH
WHOEVER
DOES
NOT
VOTES
ON
HF
AND I'LL PM GAY PORN EVERYDAY TO YOU GUYS. EVERYDAY. will switch if tubesock's tryhard defense continues to convince enough people to unvote him You will switch now. Mafia is deflecting the ongoing HF's lynch. It was the best opportunity for them to lynch HF but they started deflecting it to FF. You will switch NOW.
Bleh.
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On December 14 2014 06:00 sicklucker wrote:
I might switch to hf because hes scary and we might not get another chance.
I'm checking GB's part 2 right now, but does anything in particular jump out at you with HF being scary? Was it the whole Ritoky/present thing you were trying to explain earlier? I know we were in that discussion. I'm all ears to different perspectives, but aside I had developed on FF (from all the previous things said) I was going to stick with.
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On December 14 2014 06:06 liancourt wrote:
Town just gives up? No as town u spew scum reads and try to avoid a mislynch. And in the event that u do get lynched the reads will hold some weight and help out town. I would trust the reads of a dead confirmed town than a live unflipped person.
Mafia dont scum hunt when they have majority votes.
I would scum hunt 100% of the time as pressured mafia.
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On December 14 2014 06:09 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 06:06 liancourt wrote:
Town just gives up? No as town u spew scum reads and try to avoid a mislynch. And in the event that u do get lynched the reads will hold some weight and help out town. I would trust the reads of a dead confirmed town than a live unflipped person.
Mafia dont scum hunt when they have majority votes. I would scum hunt 100% of the time as pressured mafia.
assuming I'm not the only mafia left.
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Yeah keep in mind, if I get lynched, who used night kill analysis to scumread me. Keep in mind who is defending HF by swinging their votes from tubesack to me. I'm a proponent of the church of GlowingBear now. I do not fear dying for my god.
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On December 14 2014 06:04 Tubesock wrote:
##unvote
##Vote: FecalFeast
What the fuck is this.
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On December 14 2014 06:06 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 06:02 GlowingBear wrote:On December 14 2014 05:58 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 05:49 GlowingBear wrote:PART 2Odd final count analysis and lack of push on town agendaOn December 11 2014 13:08 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2014 12:41 ritoky wrote:On December 11 2014 12:33 Holyflare wrote:
you're literally saying right here in the thread that the fact that I updated my read with my own tidbits + what other people had said makes me mafia? ahahahaha how many posts do you think bunnies made in that time frame? 1000? how many posts do I have to spend in a post limited game explaining things that other people are saying + adding my own things on? also the stuff that I said kita mentioned I fleshed out more in that post so it was actually my original thoughts and not just the bolded which you seem to imply it is
also, her points on kelsier were crap, the fact that I'm starting to scum read him now is totally irrelevant to her case being crap at all because it purely involves her flipping town and the stuff he said previous to her flipping
I find it hard to believe you could believe anything you are typing at all. she made 3 pages worth of posts, actually, so yes she made quite a few. I believe that's over 40 posts to respond to, so your exaggerating and laughing, but actually you're just lying and implying she didn't post a lot or a lot of substance. if she is your top scum read, 3 posts to push and develop your read seems shallow at best; especially with your standards. hell you devoted the same or more posts in the same time frame to reading vivax, kels, and xat; who you didn't push on at all. and i disagree that any of what you said regarding kita's stuff is original, it is all sheep. further as town you are one of the largest proponents of using your vote as a means of pressuring people into giving information, and you felt perfectly fine leaving it on a town. like you're just plain mafia. So you're saying that even though I spent 2-3 pages of filter PREVIOUSLY talking about bunnies all game the fact that I only spent a few long posts on her LATER when she had only posted like a page or less since I left with a lot of fluff in it makes me mafia? Why are you using the the latter half of the game to justify a read on me that should span the whole game? Have you even bothered to check the timestamps of when I've been around, I was sick all day and literally posted as much as I could on as many people I could in the time frame that I've been here (without trying to devolve into spammyness) I can't believe you'd ever make this read as town. Ever. It literally shows no progression of thought process at all and is a rough job of a case that is based on falsities twisted to fit your narrative. There is no way on this planet that a town ritoky would make this case. Just like the case you made on LS using exclusively meta reads. None of these things you are saying make anyone scum yet you're pushing them so vehemently that it's making YOU look scummy instead. I hope someone shoots this guy (ritoky) btw. On December 11 2014 12:43 LightningStrike wrote:
Okay Oatsmaster I got a Null read on him due to him not as much as he did on his town games but I guess the limit on the post number on each persons filter making try to conserve his posts a lot more than normal he did have some nice questions but he also made a weird call on Vivax being scum so idk what the true nature of his read on him is.
KSC I got him scum right now since most of his posts were more fluff than anything and he didn't ask good questions except once towards me but he also had a I told you so attitude on the lynch of 27ninja before the lynch which one of the scum members in the Campus Mafia game said about me when I was getting lynched kind of tells me he is scum at this point.
I dunno about oats anymore. My point on him was made kinda moot by xata so he's really just a ?. Don't like his wasted vote on vivax after saying he looked towny at all though. In fact there were a LOT of wasted votes. ritoky (1): 27ninjabunnies, kushm4sta, Fecalfeast27ninjabunnies (10): batsnacks, The_Templar, Fecalfeast, Holyflare, batsnacks, Half the Sky, sicklucker, kitaman27, liancourt, Vivax, Koshi, Alakaslam, Xatalos, Tubesock, Tubesock, Trfel Half the Sky (0): batsnacks, Xatalos, KoshiThe_Templar (2): GlowingBear, froggynoddy sicklucker (0): rsoultin, ObiWanShinobiObiWanShinobi (0): rsoultinVivax (1): Oatsmaster LightningStrike (0): ritoky, Alakaslamsicklucker (0): LightningStrikeliancourt (0): LightningStrikeGlowingBear (1): Damdred Fecalfeast (3): ritoky, LoneMeow, KelsierSC KelsierSC (3): The_Templar, 27ninjabunnies, LightningStrike, Alakaslam Xatalos (4): ObiWanShinobi, Vivax, Fecalfeast, rsoultin, Tubesockfroggynoddy (1): Half the Sky kush, gb, froggy, oats, damd, ritoky, lonemeow, kelsiersc, ls, slam, obi, vivax, fecal, rsoul, htsgonna check out all of those filters at some point to see their views on bunnies and why they weren't on her/what they were doing, kinda bad to still be on xata after he kinda adequately explained every accusation against him tbh and those rogue 1 and 2 voters that are on targets that were barely ever pushed at all (gb, froggy, hts) look terrible A good way to catch mafia is looking at who wasted their votes on the final votecount of a day. This looks like an attempt to do that. But, you see, he oddly points out EVERY other person outside the main wagon, which is NOT a reasonable thing, specially when we are talking about such strong player as Holyflare. Following his logic, me, frog and hts looks terrible. This is him stablishing the town agenda. In fact, our wasted votes looks terrible. Reminder: he didn't like froggynoddy's entrance either. But look at how inconsistent is his play: he stablishes town agenda, but pushes his own agenda (pushing ritoky). He does NOTHING to see these 3 people's alignment. He is NOT interested in these 3 people's alignment. He is just interested to look like an aggressive townie pushing ritoky, but he is actually not trying to solve the game. He is not trying to discover ritoky's alignment. He is just pushing for the sake of pushing someone. Why this comes from a mafia?: Mafia tends to look contributive but lacks the town intention for solving the game. He simply displays 3 names people should take a look at but does not go after those names. He is disinterested in solving the game, to discover people's alignment. That's not a townie. A townie would go against those 3 names he spoke of. He just posted this analysis because he wants to look contributive. Town read on froggynoddyWhen I noticed these patterns, I inquired him for reads on froggynoddy and Vivax. This is his response: On December 12 2014 10:21 Holyflare wrote:On December 12 2014 10:08 GlowingBear wrote:
Holyflare
Your reads on froggynoddy and vivax, please. I have no idea how this is relevant in the slightest when I've made it pretty clear who i think mafia are. Either way, froggy is a kindaaaa towny/i dunno read. He writes quite long posts to say not much but I dunno how to explain that I don't want to lynch him other than saying his posts look innocent enough and to the point. He also wanted people to talk to him about his templar read that he's been pushing around the deadline which was cool and I kinda regret not talking to him more, he also said something around the bunnies lynch which i forget that made it seem like he was actually thinking about the game. I wouldn't say it's particularly difficult stuff to post as mafia but it seems pretty genuine to me. Vivax has been pushing people that I agree look scummy (- xatalos) but his reasons for doing it look like he's putting in the effort to find out inconsistencies. After a few games where we've been wrong on each other I think we've just resorted to ignoring the other and are just gonna base it on overall play. Well I am anyway. Not really bothered to elaborate further. You see, he was scumreading froggy noddy, said he looked terrible by his wasted vote, BUT CALLS HIM TOWN WHEN ASKED FOR A READ. This is someone who is NOT consistent with his reads. This is someone who gives fabricated reads and forgets them, or someone who doesn't want to scumread a possible partner. I know for a fact that Holyflare does this a lot. He scumreads a partner to further townread him. Remember: HE HAD NO ATTEMPT TO DISCOVER FROGGY'S ALIGNMENT. He started having this townread on him out of nothing, which is completely scummy. I'm sure you can understand mafia motivation behind it. Scumread on me This is hilarious. I want you to check these two posts regarding me, from the most recent to the oldest: On December 13 2014 08:29 Holyflare wrote:
I can only assume someone pushing so much false information is mafia. Much like ritoky who even when presented with multiple pieces of evidence to show that his meta was wrong continued to push his scum read on me. Not to mention his initial contradictory stance on how he has a super solid meta read on me but was fooled last game even though he said that meta read existed then too. Glad to see absolutely nobody in this game is paying attention to that. On December 10 2014 00:11 Holyflare wrote:
2 people haven't posted in this game at all yet, useful -.-
Oats, your post on vivax is wrong and your post refuting that wasn't in any english I could understand.
Ls looks not bad to me, dunno why people are hating on him giving all the meta when loads of other people do the same. Ritoky seems angry for some reason because of this??
Obi still being useless, just because he was useless last game (russian) as town doesn't stop him being able to be useless this game as mafia. It just means he's useless which increases the odds of him being mafia.
Kush.. Meh will resolve itself i think
Gb hasn't really done anything but hasn't done anything outrageously wrong like I'd expect him to as town but his picking on solely koshi and like nothing else is wearing thin and is pretty scummy
I dunno feel kinda iffy about hts after reading the things about kush feels a bit too flippant
New list oats, obi, (gb?) bunnies
Mehhhhbe/mehhhhbe not: hts, kush
HAHAHA HE SAYS IT'S A TOWN TRAIT FOR ME FOR BEING OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG, BUT WHEN HE THINKS I'M OUTRAGEOUSLY WRONG THE SCUMREADS ME. This is the most inconsistent thing I have ever seen. He didn't scumread me because I acted scummy. He scumread me because he felt I was getting close to him. He is trying to discredit me and to survive, and not to figure out my alignment. Town perspective would be evaluate my action and figure out my alignment for something he already knows about my gameplay. Mafia perspective is "I'm getting caught, I have to make this guy look bad" ##VOTE: HOLYFLARE RIGHT NOW!!!! GB...your logic is nuts. 1. HF wanted to look at the wasted votes. He did not say that everyone "wasting" votes was scum. Nor would any sane person believe that. Froggy has barely posted. 2. Comparing an early read on you when you'd barely posted to a much later read on you does not prove inconsistency at all. This is not a good case. I'm starting to believe you're misinterpreting me on purpose. 1) Looking at wasted votes = he has suspicions. He did nothing to figure out those people's alignment. 2) It's not a thing of early read. It's that he says I'm town when I do something outrageously wrong. I do something outrageously wrong in his conception and he scumreads me. Explain me this logic, because it's absurd. Also, I forgot to say about the push on ritoky at night but not questioning the present opening thing, which is ridiculous when you have such a strong scumread. You'll have to agree with me on this because you also felt that thing was wrong. I do agree with you on his not questioning ritoky's claim, GB. I cannot blame a soul for scumreading you when you're pushing mass role claims, though. You may be right that his push on both you and ritoky was reactionary. I don't know. But I do know that I don't see this as overwhelmingly scummy.
Again: that's not the point.
He is scumreading me for a thing he said is a town trait for me.
This is the point.
If you don't think this is overwhelmingly scummy, I need you to say what is.
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@Templar, I felt GlowingBear was heavily town. Then when he posted that bit in what I thought was a defense of my initial attack and then later HF's push it seemed pretty good. If GlowingBear is town then that would mean 3 reads of mine were totally wrong. But I realized I was looking at Sicklucker like everyone is admitting to right now. That he's a nk later, and no threat. There's no better cover. Then I looked at it like if Sick was very smart.
He was posting a lot around the time HF or GB was. I saw a very smart play developing where you could pin Damdred's death on GB and look even more town. It's far more likely, given you have perfect knowledge of who is town, and can talk amongst yourself.
But people tend to think it's "meta" or some other silly excuse. No, he's playing perfectly. With that perspective it's easy to see who his partners are.
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On December 14 2014 06:10 Tubesock wrote:
@Templar, I felt GlowingBear was heavily town. Then when he posted that bit in what I thought was a defense of my initial attack and then later HF's push it seemed pretty good. If GlowingBear is town then that would mean 3 reads of mine were totally wrong. But I realized I was looking at Sicklucker like everyone is admitting to right now. That he's a nk later, and no threat. There's no better cover. Then I looked at it like if Sick was very smart.
He was posting a lot around the time HF or GB was. I saw a very smart play developing where you could pin Damdred's death on GB and look even more town. It's far more likely, given you have perfect knowledge of who is town, and can talk amongst yourself.
But people tend to think it's "meta" or some other silly excuse. No, he's playing perfectly. With that perspective it's easy to see who his partners are.
WHY did you think GB was town? You basically made a scum case on him in that post.
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I dont like how my top scum read is voting ff. And i dont see any reason for mafia to bus ppl at this stage of the game. Unless ff actually told his team mates to bus him all of a sudden which makes the sudden votes on ff explainable.
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On December 14 2014 06:09 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 06:06 liancourt wrote:
Town just gives up? No as town u spew scum reads and try to avoid a mislynch. And in the event that u do get lynched the reads will hold some weight and help out town. I would trust the reads of a dead confirmed town than a live unflipped person.
Mafia dont scum hunt when they have majority votes. I would scum hunt 100% of the time as pressured mafia.
And, I agree with this.
Smashboards game has started btw
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On December 14 2014 06:06 batsnacks wrote:
I'd like to add that I had this idea before the game started that due to post limitations, scum HF would probably post/push as much/as hard as possible at the beginning of each day to exploit that mechanic.
I really hated the ritoky push and I think it is consistent with that theory.
Thoughts anyone?
Basically you're saying that HF is blowing a lot of his post count on his top scum read at the beginning of the day? Didn't he come back at the end of D1 and re-stress 27NB though? I know IRL he's in Belgium, so he cannot do the same thing now, but I was pretty sure he re-pushed bunnies at EoD D1.
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