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Alakaslam
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United States17336 Posts
December 13 2014 21:22 GMT
#2461
Ok well if not ff I would say Kel and I have all along so I am putting my foot down.

##k
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sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 13 2014 21:22 GMT
#2462
On December 14 2014 05:53 Alakaslam wrote:
Who is LS


a confirmed town untill hes counter claimed.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 13 2014 21:23 GMT
#2463
I'll vote for any of my 6. I went with Slam, because I trust him. I'm just as happy going to HF, or Kels. Hell, people can get back on my wagon. That would lend more credibility to my case. Way more than our bouncing around does.

I listed my mafia list as a order of death preference. That would mean I feel the strongest about Sicklucker and the weakest about LightningStrike.

I've done nothing but push Sicklucker for the last 2 hours. Like CRAZY push.
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 13 2014 21:24 GMT
#2464
SLAM - PLEASE KELS IS WAY BETTER THAN FF. HF is on FF you know?
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 13 2014 21:24 GMT
#2465
How about this, let me live and save yourselves a mislynch and I'll do my best to put a real effort in next day. I start work at 3pm today (deadline time) so I'm not going to be much help right now but I honestly feel bad for not playing.
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GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
December 13 2014 21:25 GMT
#2466
On December 14 2014 06:22 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2014 06:20 GlowingBear wrote:
REALLY RITOKY?

I'VE MADE A STRONG CASE ON THE GUY WHO WAS PUSHING YOU AND TEMPLAR'S CASE IS GOOD? NO WORDS REGARDING MY CASE?


i was 30 pages behind cuz of work, chillax; getting to it.

also it was trfel, not templar; you should try reading it. it is pretty good.


his case is just a little bit after mine, dude, lol.

I read it but I'm too heated now. I'll getting out of the thread for a while.

Please, all of you, read my case and give thoughts (and mostly, vote HF)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/472628-tl-mafia-lxix-carol-of-the-bells?page=121#2402
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Xatalos
Profile Joined January 2011
Finland9675 Posts
December 13 2014 21:25 GMT
#2467
On December 14 2014 06:17 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2014 06:13 Xatalos wrote:
GB: It's hard to reread stuff on my phone, but I think your case is pretty heavy on meta and assumptions. I don't think its particularly scummy to focus on main scumreads rather than some people you mentioned once in a listpost. How do you know that HF's read on Froggy changed without reason? He might have just not reasoned every change of opinion in his filter. I didn't really get your last point. Overall not great reasons to lynch him.


that's not the point.

The point is: he says people are looking terrible but makes no attempt to discover their alignments.
Simple as this.

He couldn't change his read on froggy noddy - who someone assumed hasn't posted much - like that. There was no particular change of playstyle and he was scumreading him since the entrance. A scumread that was reinforced by a wasted vote.

This kind of inconsistency isn't townie.


Without reading through HF's filter (really can't do that now), I'd say that it isn't necessarily scummy to change your read without particular new information. You might just reread his filter, rethink stuff... And it's not like he flip-flopped within a small time period from your explanation. A lot can change during the game.

Your other point is basically assuming that town HF would be more observant/persistent with stuff he notices? Dunno. I don't think I've pressured every single player I've mentioned either.
"The opportunity to secure ourselves against defeat lies in our own hands, but the opportunity of defeating the enemy is provided by the enemy himself." - Sun Tzu
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 13 2014 21:25 GMT
#2468
Tube If I can convince you that Ls is town ill consider nonvoting you. This will tell me you have hope. Gimme 5-10 mins to finish thread
Trfel
Profile Joined August 2011
7015 Posts
December 13 2014 21:26 GMT
#2469
Fecalfeast, good to see you posting. Thanks. I'll take you up on that offer, hopefully others will as well. You are on a short leash, though.

I'm still working through your case, GlowingBear. I read slowly, and I hope you would agree that you would rather that I read it well than read it poorly. When I finish, I will share my thoughts. Thanks a bunch for typing it up and consolidating it, though.
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
December 13 2014 21:27 GMT
#2470
On December 14 2014 06:15 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2014 06:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yeah keep in mind, if I get lynched, who used night kill analysis to scumread me. Keep in mind who is defending HF by swinging their votes from tubesack to me. I'm a proponent of the church of GlowingBear now. I do not fear dying for my god.


Let's just assume for a moment you're town. Why are you playing this game? You complain whenever there's something new to read, you don't try to find scum, and when you do it's by you being a passive prick that wants to die, saying that scum are the people pushing you and your argument for that is your alignment post-flip.

The thought that you might be town scares me.


i really like this post actually.

but the fact is ff played like this last game

being a useless townie

continously playing like this just helps when he rolls scum.

However, I really don't like to lynch him today when i really think kel is scum right now.
rsoultin
Profile Blog Joined November 2014
Netherlands15308 Posts
December 13 2014 21:27 GMT
#2471
Yeah...just totally gonna be obstinate about this and not give GB the time of day until he can act like an adult. Yes, Trfel's case on KSC was pretty good.

That is more like the Trfel I know
"rsoultin: Mafia Suicide Inducer...you have unlimited shots because you are so god-damn relentless." - marvellosity (2015)
Tubesock
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2726 Posts
December 13 2014 21:27 GMT
#2472
and Temp, you're trying to push me on my vote, but you're on my #2? When it's safe and people already jumped off? You want to start another wagon over to HF then? So you think I'm town now?
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
December 13 2014 21:28 GMT
#2473
On December 14 2014 06:16 ritoky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2014 06:06 Trfel wrote:
Ok, I'm pretty suspicious of KelsierSC.

The first real thing he does in the game are these posts, which I'm sure everyone is familiar with:

On December 09 2014 08:46 KelsierSC wrote:
So i have noticed something with this set up. If you are scrooge just claim.

On December 09 2014 08:55 KelsierSC wrote:
Ah ignore my scrooge comment i misread one of the roles

On December 09 2014 09:30 KelsierSC wrote:
So i think fecal is scum, we played a game together as town and early game he was very try hard, essentially Kush made a set up/mechanics comment and fecal went back to the setup, worked through all the permutations and then asked Kush to explain. Super town super eager.

this game i make a set up comment, then retract it and ff doesn't bat n eyelid. All he does is talk to slam about sumo. Which is pretty pointless. Like "herez an excuse nit to scumhunt" it doesn't feel towny at all

This feels really weak to me, especially now that KelsierSC linked the game that he refers to. I don't understand how he can possibly find Fecalfeast the slightest bit scummy for this. It feels like he is really forcing this read from nothing, while potentially identifying a stupid Scrooge (which happened...) and appearing towny.
On December 09 2014 09:12 KelsierSC wrote:
On December 09 2014 09:10 Holyflare wrote:
On December 09 2014 09:05 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm liking holyflare now, i didn't like his post about how he wasn't going to post, seemed like a good excuse to lurk. But he has backed it up with actual pressure.his pressure on nb is actually strong and the explanation is good. It also feels like town hf to me.





Do you know how I play as mafia? This seems pretty baseless if you do and even more so if you don't.


i saw you play town and this feels like town, I'm happy with the read for d1

Same with his early townread on Holyflare. Even Holyflare says that it is weak, and I agree. We've already established that Holyflare is really good at playing Mafia, and that makes it really hard to identify him. So no, a meta case that early into the game isn't very good. This post again lacks substance, and feels like he is making a read for the purpose of making a read.
On December 09 2014 09:51 KelsierSC wrote:
Hf, bats have you played with ff much? What is his d1 like normally?

This post seems to take even more force out of his meta case on Fecalfeast. Is it really a good argument, if he isn't sure himself what Fecalfeast's day 1 play is like?

KelsierSC and I seem to be the only two people who read batsnacks as town for the post he made on Half the Sky. (Since then, batsnacks' play has made me much more suspicious, but that isn't the point of this post). The weird thing is, KelsierSC read batsnacks as town because he agreed with batsnacks' post. The validity of batsnacks' post has since been shown to be very questionable, but KelsierSC hasn't changed his stance.

KelsierSC then spends several posts focusing on Alakaslam. Here is his explanation.
On December 09 2014 10:37 KelsierSC wrote:
On December 09 2014 10:33 Holyflare wrote:
You should also stop wasting your time trying to read slam and just try and make him interact with you about this game instead. He can actually play mafia and says insightful things.


I'm not reading slam. But the free town passes he is getting are good info.

especially people who call him semi town.. Wtf is that
Later, he goes back on this and says that this didn't end up working out. More words, less analysis.

His scum list seems to be changing without that much explanation. He says that he would happily vote 27nb, but doesn't include her in his lynch list. And his inclusion of Vivax in the lynch list for bad reads seems strange. Bad reads don't necessarily make someone scum, it is the intent behind them. And these reads are seeming forced.

Later, he comes back with a new post, and Vivax isn't mentioned in his scum reads at all.

The point about his changing stance on ritoky is also interesting. He puts ritoky into his town circle, then adds him to his lynch list, saying he has done absolutely nothing. His explanation of this is that he forgot he had him in his town circle. Shouldn't his reads be the same every time, even if he forgot all of his previous reads? If he was trying hard to make real reads, they would. If his read changed due to new information, that would be good, but the only new information he provided is that a few people scumread him. "I forgot" and "others are scumreading him" are not good reasons to change a read like that, he should at least investigate the case himself.

In conclusion, I would be happy to lynch KelsierSC. Moreso than Fecalfeast, anyway. Obviously it's not certain, but it seems better than anything else.

Now I will take a look at GlowingBear's complete case on Holyflare.


i think this is really good....like really good...this guy super town, kels moved up from my mid tier mafia read to likely mafia.


then vote him, man with the golden gun
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 13 2014 21:28 GMT
#2474
On December 14 2014 06:27 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2014 06:15 Vivax wrote:
On December 14 2014 06:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yeah keep in mind, if I get lynched, who used night kill analysis to scumread me. Keep in mind who is defending HF by swinging their votes from tubesack to me. I'm a proponent of the church of GlowingBear now. I do not fear dying for my god.


Let's just assume for a moment you're town. Why are you playing this game? You complain whenever there's something new to read, you don't try to find scum, and when you do it's by you being a passive prick that wants to die, saying that scum are the people pushing you and your argument for that is your alignment post-flip.

The thought that you might be town scares me.


i really like this post actually.

but the fact is ff played like this last game

being a useless townie

continously playing like this just helps when he rolls scum.

However, I really don't like to lynch him today when i really think kel is scum right now.

Honestly it's hurting my next scum game because I really enjoy bullshitting and scum games were the most fun games I had by far. (here and the one on omgus)
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batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 13 2014 21:31 GMT
#2475
I don't know who to vote.
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 13 2014 21:31 GMT
#2476
Great prophet GB, wisest and most illuminated bear in all the land. Do I have your divine blessing switching to kelsier from the heathen HF?
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Half the Sky
Profile Joined May 2014
Germany9029 Posts
December 13 2014 21:32 GMT
#2477
Just finished Trfel's case on Kelsier. I can't find any holes in the damn case. Wow.
The phoenix must burn to emerge. - Janet Fitch
sicklucker
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada16987 Posts
December 13 2014 21:32 GMT
#2478
Shit so it looks like tubes not getting voted out. ##unvote ##vote holyflare Tube if your town why do you not vote your second scum read? Why is your first scum read voting your second scum read? Maybe your wrong about your first one? Ls another one of your scum read is confirmed town because he claimed a role and no one countered.
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
December 13 2014 21:33 GMT
#2479
On December 14 2014 06:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Great prophet GB, wisest and most illuminated bear in all the land. Do I have your divine blessing switching to kelsier from the heathen HF?


You've haven't said anything about KSC this game. Is this because you think he's scummy or are you just trying to stay alive?
Fecalfeast
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada11355 Posts
December 13 2014 21:34 GMT
#2480
On December 14 2014 06:33 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 14 2014 06:31 Fecalfeast wrote:
Great prophet GB, wisest and most illuminated bear in all the land. Do I have your divine blessing switching to kelsier from the heathen HF?


You've haven't said anything about KSC this game. Is this because you think he's scummy or are you just trying to stay alive?

Little bit of OMGUS, little bit of sheeping trfel's case.
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