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On December 14 2014 06:06 GlowingBear wrote:
Seriously.
READ MY CASE.
VOTE HOLYFLARE OR POINT OUT WHY MY CASE IS WRONG.
I absolutely refuse to be bullied or intimidated by a player who WILL NOT consider any other lynches or trains but the one he has been pushing from (nearly) the start of the day, after a brief but ultimately lukewarm prodding at ritoky.
I DO NOT believe that you give something to potential mafia (read: null reads) because that is just as stupid as telling everyone to mass claim.
I DO NOT LIKE the way you keep trying to pressure everyone to play the way you want them to play, threatening them.
I may be wrong about you as scum, but your legitimacy in my eyes is ZERO. And I'm not sure why others would let you strongarm them into things either.
I can respect people voting HF who believe he's scum. I cannot respect your style of play.
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GB: It's hard to reread stuff on my phone, but I think your case is pretty heavy on meta and assumptions. I don't think its particularly scummy to focus on main scumreads rather than some people you mentioned once in a listpost. How do you know that HF's read on Froggy changed without reason? He might have just not reasoned every change of opinion in his filter. I didn't really get your last point. Overall not great reasons to lynch him.
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On December 14 2014 06:13 rsoultin wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 06:06 GlowingBear wrote:
Seriously.
READ MY CASE.
VOTE HOLYFLARE OR POINT OUT WHY MY CASE IS WRONG. I absolutely refuse to be bullied or intimidated by a player who WILL NOT consider any other lynches or trains but the one he has been pushing from (nearly) the start of the day, after a brief but ultimately lukewarm prodding at ritoky. I DO NOT believe that you give something to potential mafia (read: null reads) because that is just as stupid as telling everyone to mass claim. I DO NOT LIKE the way you keep trying to pressure everyone to play the way you want them to play, threatening them. I may be wrong about you as scum, but your legitimacy in my eyes is ZERO. And I'm not sure why others would let you strongarm them into things either. I can respect people voting HF who believe he's scum. I cannot respect your style of play.
What do you think of froggynoddy?
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On December 14 2014 06:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yeah keep in mind, if I get lynched, who used night kill analysis to scumread me. Keep in mind who is defending HF by swinging their votes from tubesack to me. I'm a proponent of the church of GlowingBear now. I do not fear dying for my god.
Let's just assume for a moment you're town. Why are you playing this game? You complain whenever there's something new to read, you don't try to find scum, and when you do it's by you being a passive prick that wants to die, saying that scum are the people pushing you and your argument for that is your alignment post-flip.
The thought that you might be town scares me.
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GB is a perfect scapegoat for lynch. Dremdam died, and really looks like it's GB's doing. But that is assuming you don't take into account Sicklucker in this game is actually very skilled. If you think he's just constantly making small mistakes and what not, then you allow mafia to set up some great plays.
When I die, I'll flip town. If GB dies, he will flip town. If he flips mafia somehow then well, that clears a lot of people as my reads will be wrong.
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Any thoughts on my KelsierSC case? Would there be enough votes to carry the lynch, or are Fecalfeast and Holyflare the only options?
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On December 14 2014 06:06 Trfel wrote:Ok, I'm pretty suspicious of KelsierSC. The first real thing he does in the game are these posts, which I'm sure everyone is familiar with: Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:46 KelsierSC wrote:
So i have noticed something with this set up. If you are scrooge just claim.
Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 08:55 KelsierSC wrote:
Ah ignore my scrooge comment i misread one of the roles Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 09:30 KelsierSC wrote:
So i think fecal is scum, we played a game together as town and early game he was very try hard, essentially Kush made a set up/mechanics comment and fecal went back to the setup, worked through all the permutations and then asked Kush to explain. Super town super eager.
this game i make a set up comment, then retract it and ff doesn't bat n eyelid. All he does is talk to slam about sumo. Which is pretty pointless. Like "herez an excuse nit to scumhunt" it doesn't feel towny at all This feels really weak to me, especially now that KelsierSC linked the game that he refers to. I don't understand how he can possibly find Fecalfeast the slightest bit scummy for this. It feels like he is really forcing this read from nothing, while potentially identifying a stupid Scrooge (which happened...) and appearing towny. Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 09:12 KelsierSC wrote:On December 09 2014 09:10 Holyflare wrote:On December 09 2014 09:05 KelsierSC wrote:
I'm liking holyflare now, i didn't like his post about how he wasn't going to post, seemed like a good excuse to lurk. But he has backed it up with actual pressure.his pressure on nb is actually strong and the explanation is good. It also feels like town hf to me.
Do you know how I play as mafia? This seems pretty baseless if you do and even more so if you don't. i saw you play town and this feels like town, I'm happy with the read for d1 Same with his early townread on Holyflare. Even Holyflare says that it is weak, and I agree. We've already established that Holyflare is really good at playing Mafia, and that makes it really hard to identify him. So no, a meta case that early into the game isn't very good. This post again lacks substance, and feels like he is making a read for the purpose of making a read. Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 09:51 KelsierSC wrote:
Hf, bats have you played with ff much? What is his d1 like normally? This post seems to take even more force out of his meta case on Fecalfeast. Is it really a good argument, if he isn't sure himself what Fecalfeast's day 1 play is like? KelsierSC and I seem to be the only two people who read batsnacks as town for the post he made on Half the Sky. (Since then, batsnacks' play has made me much more suspicious, but that isn't the point of this post). The weird thing is, KelsierSC read batsnacks as town because he agreed with batsnacks' post. The validity of batsnacks' post has since been shown to be very questionable, but KelsierSC hasn't changed his stance. KelsierSC then spends several posts focusing on Alakaslam. Here is his explanation. Show nested quote +On December 09 2014 10:37 KelsierSC wrote:On December 09 2014 10:33 Holyflare wrote:
You should also stop wasting your time trying to read slam and just try and make him interact with you about this game instead. He can actually play mafia and says insightful things. I'm not reading slam. But the free town passes he is getting are good info. especially people who call him semi town.. Wtf is that Later, he goes back on this and says that this didn't end up working out. More words, less analysis. His scum list seems to be changing without that much explanation. He says that he would happily vote 27nb, but doesn't include her in his lynch list. And his inclusion of Vivax in the lynch list for bad reads seems strange. Bad reads don't necessarily make someone scum, it is the intent behind them. And these reads are seeming forced. Later, he comes back with a new post, and Vivax isn't mentioned in his scum reads at all. The point about his changing stance on ritoky is also interesting. He puts ritoky into his town circle, then adds him to his lynch list, saying he has done absolutely nothing. His explanation of this is that he forgot he had him in his town circle. Shouldn't his reads be the same every time, even if he forgot all of his previous reads? If he was trying hard to make real reads, they would. If his read changed due to new information, that would be good, but the only new information he provided is that a few people scumread him. "I forgot" and "others are scumreading him" are not good reasons to change a read like that, he should at least investigate the case himself. In conclusion, I would be happy to lynch KelsierSC. Moreso than Fecalfeast, anyway. Obviously it's not certain, but it seems better than anything else. Now I will take a look at GlowingBear's complete case on Holyflare.
i think this is really good....like really good...this guy super town, kels moved up from my mid tier mafia read to likely mafia.
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On December 14 2014 06:13 Xatalos wrote:
GB: It's hard to reread stuff on my phone, but I think your case is pretty heavy on meta and assumptions. I don't think its particularly scummy to focus on main scumreads rather than some people you mentioned once in a listpost. How do you know that HF's read on Froggy changed without reason? He might have just not reasoned every change of opinion in his filter. I didn't really get your last point. Overall not great reasons to lynch him.
that's not the point.
The point is: he says people are looking terrible but makes no attempt to discover their alignments.
Simple as this.
He couldn't change his read on froggy noddy - who someone assumed hasn't posted much - like that. There was no particular change of playstyle and he was scumreading him since the entrance. A scumread that was reinforced by a wasted vote.
This kind of inconsistency isn't townie.
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still waiting for someone to tell me why FF isn't mafia?
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On December 14 2014 06:17 ritoky wrote:
still waiting for someone to tell me why FF isn't mafia?
I got a town pm
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On December 14 2014 06:15 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 06:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yeah keep in mind, if I get lynched, who used night kill analysis to scumread me. Keep in mind who is defending HF by swinging their votes from tubesack to me. I'm a proponent of the church of GlowingBear now. I do not fear dying for my god. Let's just assume for a moment you're town. Why are you playing this game? You complain whenever there's something new to read, you don't try to find scum, and when you do it's by you being a passive prick that wants to die, saying that scum are the people pushing you and your argument for that is your alignment post-flip. The thought that you might be town scares me.
He is just like that as town.
Check Titanic VI.
You guys are lynching a question mark over obvious mafia.
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On December 14 2014 06:07 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 06:05 The_Templar wrote:On December 14 2014 06:04 GlowingBear wrote:
I WILL LYNCH WHOEVER DOES NOT VOTES ON HOLYFLARE AFTER THE BEST CASE OF MY LIFE
I
WILL
LYNCH
WHOEVER
DOES
NOT
VOTES
ON
HF
AND I'LL PM GAY PORN EVERYDAY TO YOU GUYS. EVERYDAY. will switch if tubesock's tryhard defense continues to convince enough people to unvote him You will switch now. Mafia is deflecting the ongoing HF's lynch. It was the best opportunity for them to lynch HF but they started deflecting it to FF. You will switch NOW.
yea switch to kel
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On December 14 2014 06:15 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 06:13 rsoultin wrote:On December 14 2014 06:06 GlowingBear wrote:
Seriously.
READ MY CASE.
VOTE HOLYFLARE OR POINT OUT WHY MY CASE IS WRONG. I absolutely refuse to be bullied or intimidated by a player who WILL NOT consider any other lynches or trains but the one he has been pushing from (nearly) the start of the day, after a brief but ultimately lukewarm prodding at ritoky. I DO NOT believe that you give something to potential mafia (read: null reads) because that is just as stupid as telling everyone to mass claim. I DO NOT LIKE the way you keep trying to pressure everyone to play the way you want them to play, threatening them. I may be wrong about you as scum, but your legitimacy in my eyes is ZERO. And I'm not sure why others would let you strongarm them into things either. I can respect people voting HF who believe he's scum. I cannot respect your style of play. What do you think of froggynoddy?
I hardly remember what he's posted, frankly. Something weird caught my eye earlier but I can't recall what it was, lol.
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Another thing about Tubesock is that he made a huge case on 6 mafia, even listing the order that he wanted to lynch them in, and then started switching his votes to whatever train had the most votes (besides him), even voting for someone that wasn't on his final list. His strongest read by far, HF, that he's voted for was for a grand total of 36 cumulative minutes. He goes after Kelsier because he was not there, when he was in the hospital (and if he wasn't, that would be a huge jerk move, which I seriously doubt). But he hasn't pushed a single one of his strong scum reads yet, despite going on about how he was exposing them in such a genius way.
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On December 14 2014 06:15 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 06:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yeah keep in mind, if I get lynched, who used night kill analysis to scumread me. Keep in mind who is defending HF by swinging their votes from tubesack to me. I'm a proponent of the church of GlowingBear now. I do not fear dying for my god. Let's just assume for a moment you're town. Why are you playing this game? You complain whenever there's something new to read, you don't try to find scum, and when you do it's by you being a passive prick that wants to die, saying that scum are the people pushing you and your argument for that is your alignment post-flip. The thought that you might be town scares me.
SpookyFeast
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REALLY RITOKY?
I'VE MADE A STRONG CASE ON THE GUY WHO WAS PUSHING YOU AND TEMPLAR'S CASE IS GOOD? NO WORDS REGARDING MY CASE?
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On December 14 2014 06:15 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 06:09 Fecalfeast wrote:
Yeah keep in mind, if I get lynched, who used night kill analysis to scumread me. Keep in mind who is defending HF by swinging their votes from tubesack to me. I'm a proponent of the church of GlowingBear now. I do not fear dying for my god. Let's just assume for a moment you're town. Why are you playing this game? You complain whenever there's something new to read, you don't try to find scum, and when you do it's by you being a passive prick that wants to die, saying that scum are the people pushing you and your argument for that is your alignment post-flip. The thought that you might be town scares me.
Let's assume for a moment that Fecalfeast is mafia. He's playing terribly in that respect too. He's got a huge wagon on him, and he just says he doesn't want to play and that he shouldn't have signed up for the game. That's true no matter his alignment.
He obviously is too busy to play this game. That doesn't make him town or mafia, that makes him inactive.
There are better lynches.
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On December 14 2014 06:18 The_Templar wrote:
Another thing about Tubesock is that he made a huge case on 6 mafia, even listing the order that he wanted to lynch them in, and then started switching his votes to whatever train had the most votes (besides him), even voting for someone that wasn't on his final list. His strongest read by far, HF, that he's voted for was for a grand total of 36 cumulative minutes. He goes after Kelsier because he was not there, when he was in the hospital (and if he wasn't, that would be a huge jerk move, which I seriously doubt). But he hasn't pushed a single one of his strong scum reads yet, despite going on about how he was exposing them in such a genius way.
It is just as important to survive as town as it is as scum.
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On December 14 2014 06:09 The_Templar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 14 2014 06:06 liancourt wrote:
Town just gives up? No as town u spew scum reads and try to avoid a mislynch. And in the event that u do get lynched the reads will hold some weight and help out town. I would trust the reads of a dead confirmed town than a live unflipped person.
Mafia dont scum hunt when they have majority votes. I would scum hunt 100% of the time as pressured mafia.
thats you. you've played a fair bit on here.
This guys new here and when i was new and got pressured as town with majority votes i worked my ass off to bleed town. Pretty much what he's doing right now.
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On December 14 2014 06:20 GlowingBear wrote:
REALLY RITOKY?
I'VE MADE A STRONG CASE ON THE GUY WHO WAS PUSHING YOU AND TEMPLAR'S CASE IS GOOD? NO WORDS REGARDING MY CASE?
i was 30 pages behind cuz of work, chillax; getting to it.
also it was trfel, not templar; you should try reading it. it is pretty good.
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