EPT##vote dicksmash
this wagon is pretty good imo
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
##vote dicksmash this wagon is pretty good imo | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
Looking at batsnacks' posts this game, it does seem like he hasn't contributed many reads or constructive comments at all. He has pressure voted kushm4sta, and tried to convince other people to vote for kushm4sta, as shown: On November 25 2014 10:27 batsnacks wrote: I think you should all start voting kush since that's the most logical vote right now. Then Oatsmaster starts hinting that he might be mafia, and he responds as follows: On November 25 2014 12:25 batsnacks wrote: This isn't a read. None of oats' posts contain reads. oats is play is like 80% asking questions that have already been answered and 20% badgering the host about issues he could fix himself. If my plynch on kush is bad give me something better. I've seen oats play a lot better than he is doing right now. He just starts attacking Oatsmaster, without actually providing any argument against the accsusations. It's been nearly 24 hours and I cannot find any critical thinking or logical reads from batsnacks. He has been only minimally probing for information, as well. Now, examining batsnacks' mafia history, it seems to show similar, non-accusatory play as mafia, but an ability to logically provide arguments against people as town. In Fantasy Football Mafia Mini 2, his most recent mafia game, batsnacks was a mafia vanilla. His posts generally seem to lack content, for example this: On October 23 2014 16:57 batsnacks wrote: I only had to swap 2 letters, the A and the I. You have to swap 3, the N, O, and W. Plus you have an extra letter that doesn't even belong there. Looks like I'm right about you. You're clearly reaching here. batsnacks did give some analysis in saying that robik seemed to be town in that game, which ended up being correct. But he failed to provide specifics or any real evidence of this: On October 24 2014 06:50 batsnacks wrote: I think robik looks pretty solid. I like how he's posting; he's focused, not all caps, consolidated, no personal dramas, that stuff is what reminds me of hard to get along with robik. @DrParnassus what about robik this game seem hard to cooperate with? Could you quote an example? You did say -everything about the way he's playing- reminds you of that. He also defends Liam from an accusation. Up to now, the only two real things he's said are claiming these two people to be town. At this point he is accused of being mafia, and this is his defense: On October 24 2014 21:41 batsnacks wrote: I think I'm not a good lynch right now. For obvious reasons. He continues to not provide any true defense or explanation for his actions, and ends up being lynched on the first day. In his mafia game before that, Fantasy Football (FFL) Mini, batsnacks is a town vanilla. On October 06 2014 23:34 batsnacks wrote: I agreed with HF a lot last game and he was town. I'm agreeing with him this game already so, tentatively town. I'm voting you because I think you're scummy. Also lol at "accidentally" You claimed on accident now? batsnacks accuses Oatsmaster of being mafia in this game (which ends up being incorrect). But when he defends someone as being town, he provides some support for this claim, and also shares his views a bit. On October 07 2014 08:07 batsnacks wrote: Wait a minute, something isn't right. I quoted all of the following from the same post. No townie in this game knows the ratio of town to mafia, so it is correct here that BH gives us an example ratio of 10/3 or 22% as an example. But then later in that post he says this: BH how do you KNOW there are exactly 3 mafia? I bolded fact because that's a serious word to throw around when you're supposedly working with estimates. Here's a critical analysis of a post in that game. It doesn't result in anything, but this post has more logic and scum-searching than his play to this point in the current game, as well as his play in the first game I mentioned, where he was mafia. On October 08 2014 02:24 batsnacks wrote: Does it make you nervous that I've already figured out you're mafia? Then he claims Hopeless1der to be mafia, which ends up being correct. I don't see any reasoning listed, though. This post also came after the first 24 hours of the game, unlike all of the other posts quoted here. I did notice this inconsistency between his post in this game: On November 25 2014 10:58 batsnacks wrote:There is no such thing as scum slips, so no, dude didn't scum slip. and this: On October 07 2014 08:29 batsnacks wrote: I think it's feasible that he slipped. besides The TL mafia database disagrees that random lynch is better. So by random lynching we 1) have worse odds of lynching mafia and 2) players who agree with the random lynch have zero accountability for their votes. Why the change? Probably just a change in his playstyle, but another explanation is that he is searching for mafia in that game, and has less incentive to do so in this game. Looking at batsnacks' play in the game preceding the above game, 2p2 Vanilla Werewolf 13er, batsnacks immediately comes up with a comprehensive look at GlowingBear: On September 26 2014 08:14 batsnacks wrote: I'm not completely caught up yet but I still think GB is mafiawolf. Here's his case on storr. He says storr is pretending to be aggressive town by disliking entrances. That is a weird thing to say. How can GB tell the difference between someone who is pretending to be aggressive town and someone who actually is aggressive town based on so few posts? Imo he can't and is just making stuff up. He also scum reads storr for saying someone is "definitely" mafia and says he said the exact same thing as scum last game. Well, look at this: He did it again this game. I also think this post is scummy: The "at least" in that sentence is really scummy to me. It's a tone thing. It's like he's really saying "I'm mafia but at least I'm the only one trying to get people talking." It's also scummy how he says he's the -only- person getting people talking. GB made a case against HF earlier for dropping his case against HaruRH. I'm not a mind reader but I think HF made that case to get people talking. So GB is scum reading HF for trying to get people talking -- while saying he, GB, is the only contributor in the thread. I also think this post is scummy: GB is referring to himself in the third person here in order to distance himself from his reads that he doesn't actually believe in. How can he be confident he's caught the whole scum team and solved the game? Later when he's drunk he posts this: So now GB has found 4 mafia... HF is mafia for getting people talking with an early case, Haru is mafia for unflipped assosiations, storr is mafia because GB can tell somehow that storr is just pretending to be aggressive town, and JAT is mafia because ??? Speaking of reads, GB is frantic this game about "getting reads." He is addicted to reads and needs an intervention. He wants to convince us so badly that he is trying to get reads that he can not stop saying it: He's clearly thinking and investigating the posts, and trying to find the scum. Then he starts thinking that SkyDragon is scum: On September 26 2014 08:18 batsnacks wrote: Also this post is really scummy: It's a long post filled with info that makes zero conclusions about anything. Perfect mafia post. If I'm not voting GB today I'm voting skydragon. He continues to press on GlowingBear and SkyDragon. Both end up being town, but batsnacks is showing that he is capable and willing to attempt to find scum and provide logical accusations that other players are scum. In conclusion, batsnacks seems very suspcious because he has not yet provided any real content, particularly at least one accusation of someone being mafia with an argument behind it. This resembles his play in his last game, where he was mafia, and contrasts with his play in previous games where he was town. What do you guys think? | ||
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
Oatsmaster (1): batsnacks batsnacks (1): Oatsmaster Dicksmash Mcironcock (1): kushm4sta Not Voting (10): Half the Sky, Breshke, rsoultin, Trfel, sicklucker, LightningStrike, Meatpudding, Damdred, Alakaslam, Dicksmash McIroncock Currently, Oatsmaster is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in at 22:00 GMT (+00:00). Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone. Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain. | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
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sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
##vote rsoultin I have another scum read that I wont talk about at this time. I hate the scum reads on Dicksmash Mcironcock of all the new players the one that seems nervous to post his views is rsoultin. I think its a dead giveaway | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
I'm not saying you guys should agree with me, I'm saying, here's the evidence, and here's what I think of it. Feel free to look up more info by yourself, and reach your own conclusions. I want to know what you guys think, that's why I posted. I don't feel like you need to play with someone to be able to have some ability to read them. All of the posts are saved... just by reading a game, you can get a good idea for what's going on. | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
Alakaslam is still coming in null for me, there was a lot of fluff in his posts, though he did make some decent points. Batsnacks had been my most likely candidate for scum mainly because of the policy vote on kush without any hard justification under 24h of the game starting, that's just a huge cop-out IMO, not even considering the lack of reads, when you put that and Trfl's post together, it just looks really bad. Also coming in on the scum side is Damdred. Kush cited his tone, but it's not even his tone that bothers me, it's the sheer number of questions he throws at people to come up and/or press opinion. Meta or no meta, and regardless of who he's inquiring on, asking/pushing that many questions on anyone strikes me as grasping for straws. Other people here are questioning but he is just head and shoulders out there. A distraction? I used the filter to count the number of questions he's putting out to people and I counted 16 questions, 14 of which were to pull opinions on two individuals (SL and myself). Both sicklucker and DSMI (twice) call him on this behaviour, so I know I'm not the only one that found this method strange. On November 25 2014 09:28 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote: Thats bullshit Everypost I made in this entire thread was about those two players. Its like your posting to make yourself look good while adding nothing. i kinda agree with this.[/QUOTE] On November 25 2014 09:34 Dicksmash McIroncock wrote: and damdred dont you think you might just be finding reasons to find sick funny at this point? For comparison's sake Oats has also filtered that many questions, if not more, but the difference here is that his questioning is not focused entirely at/on/about 1-2 individuals, many of them he asks for explanations and just asks multiple people "who is scum" etc. Being new to this community, I waited to see if it was just him or if this type of questioning was the norm with all the veterans here, and clearly that's not the case. Also him suggesting to policy vote LS doesn't sit well with me either. On November 26 2014 05:35 Damdred wrote: LS I have no clue hes not doing much but he didn't do much in the last game he played either, he would be a plynch basically i'll have to reread him soon as i'm done with prep. LS has been contributing to the discussion, how he reads what is going on. Excluding LS's last post, since Damdred drew this thought before that, take LS's remaining posts; in comparison it's quite arguable that DSMI and Meatpudding would be more liable for policy at this point than LS. No, none of them had been posting often but the latter two have less substance/reads/analysis than LS and LS posted more recently than those two. My vote is a tossup at this point between Bats and Damdred with DSMI/Meat not far behind on the lack of substance altogether, the latter two would be a policy vote if nothing came out from them. Trfel if you've played with Damdred, can you shed more light on his meta? | ||
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Half the Sky
Germany9029 Posts
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sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
On November 26 2014 08:25 Trfel wrote: I stated my mafia experience earlier. I haven't played on any other sites, and I've never played with Damdred before. I'm not saying you guys should agree with me, I'm saying, here's the evidence, and here's what I think of it. Feel free to look up more info by yourself, and reach your own conclusions. I want to know what you guys think, that's why I posted. I don't feel like you need to play with someone to be able to have some ability to read them. All of the posts are saved... just by reading a game, you can get a good idea for what's going on. O ok your the most obv town atm. I barely read your post yet ( I will) but the fact you made such a huge post tells me your comfortably town. Im getting the opposite read from rstoulin | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
thinking scum can't make a long post will get you in trouble. Why is rsoutin scum? | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
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meatpudding
Australia520 Posts
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sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
On November 26 2014 08:33 kushm4sta wrote: sicklucker. thinking scum can't make a long post will get you in trouble. Why is rsoutin scum? Lets just see where this goes bro. He looks scared to me | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
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batsnacks
United States4466 Posts
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sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
leaning towns - dicksmash, Ls, slam? Longshot crack pot day 1 mafia team call out for fun - rsoultin, Damdred, breske I think we got 2 mafia in the more experienced players, im liking alot of the new guys | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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rsoultin
Netherlands15308 Posts
Now I know you want to push Breske for pushing you in the beginning, and I didn't jump on that bandwagon. But I'll concede that you may be town and just bad at this whole let's set a trap thing. (I mean, really, what were you expecting out of that?) It doesn't seem like a mafia move just cause it's too stupid. So I won't push you, bro.  On a sidenote, where is the meatpudding? He was all gungho yesterday, talking about all his spare time... | ||
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sicklucker
Canada16986 Posts
On November 26 2014 08:58 kushm4sta wrote: sicklucker - confirmed bad at the game Why? We have like the same two scum reads... I think your jumping the gun on dick is all. Hes more null to me I just liked the little ive seen | ||
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Trfel
7015 Posts
On November 26 2014 08:48 batsnacks wrote: @Trfel do you have other scum reads or shouldn't you be voting me? I am not voting you yet because there is still plenty of time to vote. I would rather get a chance to hear what other players say and get some more information. I've expressed this view before: On November 25 2014 14:57 Trfel wrote: ... It's easy to unvote later if necessary. Meanwhile, if the vote causes him to post more, great. However, repeatedly asking others to also vote kushm4sta does seem strange, since we probably should be more interested in getting people to talk now. If policy lynching is the correct route (which I'm not sure), we can worry about that closer to the vote deadline... I am also trying to see your defense. As it stands, you don't have one. If this remains this way, don't worry, I'll be voting for you. Either way, I don't see what my vote has to do with my accusations. I have been keeping up with the thread, but no, I haven't taken a detailed look at any other players yet. To be honest I spent a good bit of time looking at your previous games and revising my post. I will definitely be taking a closer look at other players soon. For example, I'm not convinced that rsoultin is mafia. This post strikes me as the most important: On November 26 2014 04:08 rsoultin wrote: And you won't for at least another round or two. Why? 1. I'm still getting used to the way a real mafia site works. 2. You guys talk way too much air anyway, so I don't need to push you to talk more. 3. Right now it's mostly speculation, meta, bandwagoning and useless. Once actions start coming in you'll hear more from me. And you're still topping my lynch votes, Oats. Mostly because I find consistently misreading/picking and choosing half my posts to pay attention to and attack annoying. Without solid scum reads, I will go with the one that seems scummiest and is giving me a headache just to shut you up.  Cheers.I don't really agree with the view he presented, but it definitely seems plausible that this is really what he thinks. He doesn't seem to be afraid to me, just not confident in people's abilities to get a good read early in the game. | ||
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