Campus Mafia (New/Newish Players Welcome)

On November 03 2014 03:47 KelsierSC wrote:
about 3 hours I think

On November 03 2014 07:16 Superbia wrote:
Welcome to Superbia's tunneling company!

I am currently offering a lucrative one-of-a-kind tunneling contract! Signing this contract means I tunnel the utter shit out of you today, most likely resulting in your lynch.

Are you town enough to survive the tunnel? Are you mafai and feel like taking a risk? First come first serve!

On November 03 2014 07:36 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm going to guess we have 1 scum from the first seven

On November 03 2014 07:36 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
one from the last six

On November 03 2014 07:36 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
and one somewhere in there.

On November 03 2014 08:08 Grackaroni wrote:
has he been bat trapped?

On November 03 2014 08:10 kushm4sta wrote:
ok i actually read the op. this setup is broken.
non doctor role should claim. then doctor role will just protect the non doctor as he checks everyone.

On November 03 2014 08:21 Grackaroni wrote:

AHA! As you can see it was in fact sentinel who had set the groundwork for FecalFeast's egregious scum slip (over explaining the obvious) with his comment here:

thus it was a fake bat trap!
You sir, have been Grack trapped. The flimsiest trap of all.....

On November 03 2014 08:28 Grackaroni wrote:

Don't even try to deny it Oatsnacks, you've been caught red handed. Might as well yell wildly until everyone suspects you.

On November 03 2014 09:45 Grackaroni wrote:

He is indeed assuming there is a doctor here! He also seemed oblivious of the fact that mafia are guaranteed to have a RB. One thing I feel mafia never does is plan out posts like these to try to get the cop to claim because they are so concerned with not drawing suspicion towards themselves.

I think this makes Kush more likely town. If he is mafia and unaware of a RB, getting a cop to claim is actually bad for his team. If he is aware of a RB he's less likely to suggest a stupid plan that draws attention to himself.

On November 03 2014 07:03 batsnacks wrote:
I was thinking about claiming cop and making a big scene or something but I think I'll just say

first

On November 03 2014 07:05 KelsierSC wrote:
nice soft bro

On November 03 2014 09:47 KelsierSC wrote:
Bats you know he has about 4 posts and 2 of them are pregame nonsense

On November 03 2014 09:56 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:


I don't see how asking two questions is indicative of a lot at this point.

Out of the four on your "serious and not making sense" pile, how many of those names would you be willing to call scum right now?

On November 03 2014 09:57 KelsierSC wrote:
Yeh i disagree he is " clearly top town " you said he is making sense when all he has "seriously" done is ask me a stupid question.
just makes you look bad

On November 03 2014 09:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

Because I wasn't aware of BH being "king of RNG"?

On October 25 2014 05:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Game setup information:

This is a mafia game for 13 players. 3 players will be randomly selected as mafia.

On November 03 2014 10:03 KelsierSC wrote:


you called breshke the top town for making the most sense and being serious.
neither of those reasons are true.
if i don't believe your read you look bad to me

On November 03 2014 10:04 Fecalfeast wrote:
Batsnacks your tone seems really aggressive to me, is this intended? I'd like you to elaborate on what "serious but doesn't make sense" means, if you will. Especially if kush is lesser and sentinel was an afterthought to that list, I fail to see what is so hard to understand about anyone's posts.

On November 03 2014 07:42 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

We have seven new players and six not new players, right?

So my prediction is that this game is slightly balanced because three new scum would be easy to point out without some good coaching, and three vet scum would make the game too hard without, again, coaching.

So one new scum, one vet scum, and another vet scum to tip the scales slightly scumward because this setup favors town. It takes four mislynches for scum to win but only three successful lynches for town to win.

On November 03 2014 10:28 KelsierSC wrote:


hmm i just explained all of this.

ff had to actually go back to the op and do some thinking about set ups and then come back and ask Kush. He also made a good post to sentinel about rng. Furthermore since the read his question to you about sentinal being an afterthought about not making sense...even though he is your main example of not making sense is an excellent one.

i dont think kusha play was alignment indicative as i said earlier

On November 03 2014 10:40 KelsierSC wrote:
Yeh that's a good place to vote imo

On November 03 2014 07:27 Superbia wrote:


Congratulations on signing the contract! We will begin the tunneling process during business hours (i.e. Monday), as the company is officially closed during Sunday. Good night!

On November 03 2014 22:45 LightningStrike wrote:

I can't unvote as far as I know now that I read the thing but after reading his posts a little bit more carefully he just seem like a troll.

On November 03 2014 07:46 Cricketer12 wrote:
I'm so confused T_T

On November 03 2014 22:12 kushm4sta wrote:



yeah.. no.
reads or you get lynched.
##vote serejai

On November 04 2014 08:14 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah I'm good with policy lynching Kush if he doesn't do anything worthwhile today. He seemed pretty hyped to play pre-game too.

On November 04 2014 08:16 KelsierSC wrote:
I cant read Kush yet

i like initial analysis grak did on why he is probably town for his "non doc should claim strat"

right now I'm happy with this town list - bats,breshke,ff,elvis,

as for.my scum i like the read that Elvis has on sentinal. Also sentinal has spent a lot of the game discussing mechanics, set ups and strategies which is like a good way to try and appear helpful to town but doesn't actually help.

ls and imma are really unhelpful would lynch

reading Kush and grak later. I'm still unsure on super but leaning town i guess.
need lurkers to talk

On November 04 2014 08:16 Grackaroni wrote:
Kush - I have some reasons for that, but I'm not going to say what they are.

On November 05 2014 02:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

Right but that in itself doesn't make her even more scummy. Just bad town. Or bad null rather.

I have to go reread the whole exchange, though. My feelings on her alignment are unclear.

On November 05 2014 04:00 Serejai wrote:
I don't think cricket is scum

On November 05 2014 04:50 Elvis! wrote:
batsnacks why him over serejai?
Right now I give Serejai a little more scum points than lightning. Would totally be up to just kill Serejai tomorrow then.

On November 05 2014 05:12 LightningStrike wrote:

Yep he just confirmed himself as a scum please vote for him

On November 05 2014 07:03 KelsierSC wrote:


aha get fucked you are the one who random voted sera at the end there rather than actually saving the guy

On November 05 2014 07:11 Elvis! wrote:
Tbf I don't think the whole cop-claiming changed much. People were on LS before the whole thing started and he really looked desperate and really looked scummy.
For all of the game he didn't look like a powerrole at all, so I don't think things like "I told you guys he's not scum" are relevant.

On November 05 2014 07:12 KelsierSC wrote:


I didn't believe the claim at all because he had played scummy all day , given terrible reads and then claimed "detective" which isn't even a role.


I was trying to draw out the bluff. I rescended my claim in plenty of time for people to change votes and no one did.

your mafia bats.

On November 05 2014 06:57 KelsierSC wrote:
btw im not the cop so you should probably unvote from LS and vote imma or sentinal, both would be good lynches

On November 05 2014 07:16 KelsierSC wrote:
3 minutes is plenty of fucking time. are you real?

there were plenty of people in the thread. still are

On November 05 2014 07:19 Serejai wrote:


It was less of an "I told you so" post, and more of me reiterating that LS changing his vote did not make any sense if he were mafia.

The person who pushed for his lynching was bats, and Imma jumped in to vote for LS while saying he didn't actually read any of the thread. After reconsidering recent events, I don't think Elvis is scum anymore. Fecal I'm null on because he kept his vote on LS.

But, more importantly, let's talk about bats and Imma because their behavior regarding the lynching of LS was scummy as shit. Not only did bats start the wagon on LS (for a reason that I claimed wasn't valid, and nobody listened), but he also had multiple chances to save LS and instead threw his vote on my for no reason.

On November 05 2014 07:27 Serejai wrote:


You could have saved LS in any of the following ways:

1) Not starting a lynch wagon on him in the first place when you had no real proof,
2) Removing your vote off him after I explained why it was extremely unlikely that he was mafia,
3) Removing your vote off him in the last three minutes (which, despite what you claim, is plenty of time)

Not to mention the whole "oops, I was a tad too late to change my vote" defense that you gave is the scummiest thing I've read so far in this entire game.

On November 05 2014 07:28 sicklucker wrote:
Im going with KelsierSC as a town here. He may have blotched it and got the cop killed but you can see what he was trying to do. I dont think he does this as mafia it makes no sense. The cop came out so theres no reason to do a high risk play to get him killed

On November 05 2014 07:35 Serejai wrote:
Ok batsnacks, you can keep claiming you didn't have enough time to change your vote all you want, but timestamps don't lie.







If you had time to change your vote to me (and cause LS to get lynched), you had time to change it to Imma (and cause LS to be saved). But, you didn't because Imma is on your scum team. You've got my vote tomorrow regardless of anything else that develops.

On November 05 2014 07:38 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Wait bat did you think Immaterial was scum before KSC claimed he wasn't cop?

On November 05 2014 08:09 Breshke wrote:
Someone explain to me what KSC has to gain from counterclaiming cop as mafia when they would have had a roleblocker anyway, why take that big of a risk. I agree his recend was late but i stand by that i never actually believed him and i had time to change my vote and didn't.

Bats once again i ask why you unvoted straight away after he claimed.

So you think this guy is scum you have started a bandwagon on him. Then he claims cop and you immediately unvote. As town you would have suspicion of a fake claim as he was claiming to save himself. So why didn't you leave your vote and pressure him. That play doesn't add up.

I think KSC is town and im leaning scum on bats.

On November 05 2014 08:11 KelsierSC wrote:


you unvoted before I claimed if I recall

On November 05 2014 08:12 batsnacks wrote:
Wait I messed that up

ebwop:


I re-voted lightning when KSC claimed because lightning was no longer the uncced cop. And I thought lightning was, at the time, less scummy than KSC.

I unvoted lightning when KSC unclaimed because voting the uncced cop is bad?

On November 05 2014 08:15 KelsierSC wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/469857-campus-mafia-new-newish-players-welcome?page=28

isn't this you unvoting after LS claimed but before I claimed.

On November 05 2014 08:17 batsnacks wrote:


This game is giving me a headache. I can't get anything right

last EBWOP

I thought lightning was scummy before KSC claimed.

1) I voted lightning.
2) Lightning claimed
3) I unvoted
4) KSC cced
5) I re-voted lightning
6) KSC rescinded
7) I unvoted lightning and voted jasmine

That was the order of events for my voting.

On November 05 2014 08:26 KelsierSC wrote:
and a final thing to show I am town and let us move on.


IF i am mafia.

I know LS is the cop because I know the set up, so why do I then resend off him and potentially allow someone else to be lynched instead of the cop.

On November 05 2014 08:28 KelsierSC wrote:


mafia knows the setup dude.

On November 05 2014 08:31 Fecalfeast wrote:


The op actually says that mafia is told the setup.

On November 05 2014 08:34 KelsierSC wrote:
ok I need to sleep.

read through what I said, I misplayed by not rescinding earlier, aplogies to town and LS for that, I was convinced from LS claim to about 5 minutes before the vote that he was fake. but I have played a very town game before that, I brought up some excellent points post vote and we have good information now.

especially with the way sentinal has played immediately before lynch and after the lynch, guy is very scum.

On November 05 2014 23:06 Serejai wrote:


Your list was of people scum reading you because of your vote switch. I'm simply pointing out that you were scum long before that.

On November 06 2014 04:02 kushm4sta wrote:


so you townread her?

On November 06 2014 06:30 kushm4sta wrote:


caus

On November 06 2014 08:19 Serejai wrote:


Perspective. There are a lot of people guilty for the death of the cop;

Bresh, Immaterial, Fecal, and Sentinel for leaving their votes on him.
batsnacks for your failed vote change at the end, and bullshit excuse.
Kelsier for his massive delay in rescinding his CC.

I'd certainly rather vote Immaterial over Kelsier. They were both scummy with the vote but Kelsier could at least justify his if he tried. Immaterial literally jumped in to lynch the cop and claimed he would be back to explain why, but never returned.

On November 06 2014 08:38 Serejai wrote:


You cannot entirely blame Kelsier. I posted well before he rescinded that I thought Lightning was the real cop, and that we should switch votes to Immaterial. Nobody listened to me but Grack, and now he's dead. I think just about everyone is to blame here. The question is who is to blame the most? That's a hard question to answer and I would have to rank it as batsnacks, Kelsier, and then everyone who left their votes on Lightning.

So, why am I willing to pass up you and Kelsier to lynch Immaterial instead? Well, let's assume you three are equally scummy; both of you are at least active in the thread, whereas Immaterial is not. I feel that even if he flips town we'd benefit more than if you or Kelsier flipped town.

On November 06 2014 08:54 Breshke wrote:


So you don't miss it because it was at the bottom of the last page.

On November 06 2014 09:05 Serejai wrote:


Why? Had I moved my vote to Kelsier, nothing would have happened because everyone thought me and Lightning were both scum.

On the other hand, as soon as Grack said he was willing to vote for Immaterial I spoke up and said that was a good idea. Convincing people to switch to Immaterial was the only way to save Lightning, and it was something I could do because Grack was supportive of it. I would have had ZERO support for switching votes to Kelsier.

It would have been different if people had a town read on me, or - you know - bothered to listen to me when I said it didn't make sense for Lightning to change his vote if he were scum. But nope, everyone - yourself included - was so convinced me and Lightning were both scum that you ignored everything I said.

On November 06 2014 09:12 Serejai wrote:


Don't come in here and claim you thought Lightning was scum because of Kelsier's counter claim when

a) You were the first person to vote to lynch Lightning,
b) Well before he claimed cop, and
c) Even longer before Kelsier counter-claimed

You thought he was scum because you "caught him in my bat trap" or whatever nonsense you were wrong about.

On November 06 2014 09:15 Breshke wrote:


That's not good enough, if you think he is mafia make a proper case. Having a read on one person out of 11 for today isn't going to cut it i don't care how sure you are.

On November 06 2014 09:23 Breshke wrote:


So let me get this straight.

1.You refuse to expand upon your read on KSC

2.You refuse to read anyone else in the game

3. You want me to vote you and not KSC

If you are so sure KSC is mafia it is you duty to convince us. Do you really think stuff like

is going to convince people?

On November 06 2014 09:34 Breshke wrote:
Why do it like that though seriously why? If he is mafia why not just recind earlier they know the setup so there is either one of two scenarios that happen.

1. there is a doc, they cant risk putting kp on the cop so they just roleblock him indefinitely for the rest of the game therefore cop is useless.

2. there is a watcher, they kill the cop so watcher outs with one mafia and then they kill the watcher. Thats 2 PR's for one mafia and they even get to choose which mafia is revealed to watcher.

Explain to me why KSC as scum does the play he did instead of the two i mentioned above.

On November 06 2014 09:39 Breshke wrote:


No i'm asking why KSC kills the cop during the day instead of just dealing with him at night hence avoiding everyone scum reading him right now.

On November 06 2014 09:40 Fecalfeast wrote:

Er a watcher

On November 06 2014 09:43 Breshke wrote:


So you think if we didn't lynch LS we would have killed mafia? Does that mean you think immaterial was mafia?

On November 06 2014 09:44 Breshke wrote:
I've already explained that even if there is a doc the cop is still useless until we kill the roleblocker

On November 06 2014 10:03 Breshke wrote:


This is true but what im saying is do you think KSC sacrifices himself like this as mafia to stop there being ONE confirmed town who was a newer player who had basically only been sheeping reads.

On November 06 2014 10:06 Breshke wrote:


So you can't see it as KSC fucking up a play as town but you can see it as KSC fucking up a play as mafia? Before you ask what i mean, ive explained how if KSC was mafia he could have handled this situation better by rescinding as his team would still be able to deal with the cop.



I did ask for reads.

On November 06 2014 10:10 Breshke wrote:
Also why is immaterial scummy?

On November 07 2014 09:11 Breshke wrote:


Why are you pointing this out?

On November 07 2014 09:19 Breshke wrote:


Just want to point this out for you bats but i think his vote was like 75 minutes before deadline and this was still when KSC was a cc. It also feels that he is saying he isn't going to be around until later.

I am also coming around to KSC being scum because he hasn't done anything today. even though there is more people to blame today than just him he was a big part in lynching the cop yesterday so you'd think as a town he would be hunting scum today to try make up for it but so far most of what he has done is just respond to my questions.

I still think Kush is a priority for today though.

On November 07 2014 10:59 sicklucker wrote:
And the reason I kept sayin it was at the time I thought I would be a great medic save. Now not so much but I started strong!

On November 07 2014 11:19 sicklucker wrote:
I find it very weird bats town read me 1 hour ago and now he votes after elvis of all people makes a huge post?

On November 07 2014 11:27 Breshke wrote:
Bats which parts of elvises case do you like could you quote them?

On November 07 2014 12:02 sicklucker wrote:


This is my first post...

I just agreed with bats reads on players other then one 20 minutes after I called him scum. Then he calls me sort of townie. Then 30 minutes later he votes me for almost no reason. I still agree with his reads.

Just because me and breske agree with each others reads does not mean we both think each other are town or are aligned . This is why im having a hard time taking you seriously elvis your just attacking people for the wrong reasons If someone didnt just say this is how you played last game as town I would probably want as my top lynch

On November 08 2014 06:41 Elvis! wrote:
bats if Kelsier doesn't get enough votes, who do you change to?

On November 08 2014 06:41 Serejai wrote:


You wasted your vote yesterday and got our cop killed. Now you're going to waste your vote again today?

On November 08 2014 07:08 Elvis! wrote:
Kush most terrible mafia confirmed

On November 08 2014 07:15 sicklucker wrote:
Me and breske were the only people who pushed in the last 2 days for kush to get lynched . Breshe is confirmed town

On November 08 2014 07:49 sicklucker wrote:
So if I was really mafia wouldnt I counterclaim roleblock right here? Thoughts on that?

On November 08 2014 08:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
So then help me solve the game.
Who is scum?

On November 08 2014 09:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holy shit how did you guys lynch the cop day 1?

On November 08 2014 22:32 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I don't think bats is mafia and i also remember townreading superbia for something when i read the start of the game a couple of days ago.

KSC's stupid cop gambit probably means the slot is town. While it was incredibly stupid it's not scummy the slightest.

So sentinel and ff for mafia.

On November 08 2014 22:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

I can't find the mafia motivation for the act. Why would he do that? Was he about to get lynched? No. It doesn't make any sense to me from mafia perspective.

On November 08 2014 23:03 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Basically you cannot kill any power role without getting yourself killed the next day by counter-claiming. That's the basic assumption you should have when you do something like that as mafia. regardless of what actually happens or if you can actually get away with it.
And anyways Cava should be fairly easy to read. But yeah, i'll go read KSC and give my thoughts on him as whole if you want so.

On November 09 2014 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Where does "Artanis" come from?
I am puzzled.

On November 09 2014 07:21 sicklucker wrote:


No its a doctor. A watcher doesn't save people from dying. I think its obvious who the save was on too

On November 03 2014 11:23 Fecalfeast wrote:
##vote: superbia

Only one way to get rid of my discomfort about voting early in the game.

On November 09 2014 08:14 sicklucker wrote:


What was the context of this? I was not there for that.

Bats what do you think of FF being the safer vote here? Or having a vote between them to get information

On November 09 2014 08:14 sicklucker wrote:


What was the context of this? I was not there for that.

Bats what do you think of FF being the safer vote here? Or having a vote between them to get information

On November 09 2014 08:32 sicklucker wrote:
We have already kinda established that they are not mafia together or donkey mafia.

On November 09 2014 17:53 sicklucker wrote:
Sent is not a newb hes hosting another mafia game. Hes so dejected from this game he only logs on to do night actions not even to change his votes, hes just given up

On November 09 2014 22:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Oh yeah the doctor's save should definitely claim because mafia knows that already.

On November 10 2014 02:21 Serejai wrote:
The fact that you still think I'm scum says volumes about how useless you are if you were actually town. You also only ever post in the thread when people call you scum. Quick yo defend but when you're not being accused you just afk from the thread. Why not help the town instead?

On November 10 2014 02:22 Serejai wrote:
That was at elvis

On November 10 2014 08:38 sicklucker wrote:
So bats who was your night one save?

On November 10 2014 08:43 sicklucker wrote:


You came out as medic so tell us who you tried to save night one we can see if your story makes sense since these guys dont believe you for some reason...

On November 10 2014 08:49 sicklucker wrote:


This is why I suspected you earlier man like this is the worst townie thing to post. Theres 0 reason why you shouldnt tell us your night 1 save were kind of curious why you didnt save gracks who alot of us including myself say we would habe.

On November 10 2014 08:54 Serejai wrote:
I know who was healed N1

+ Show Spoiler +

On November 11 2014 00:47 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am confirmed town.

On November 11 2014 01:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

wait what the fuck.
when?

that's pretty fucking BS from hosts...

On November 11 2014 01:17 Serejai wrote:
Also, can we talk about the healing here? If batsnacks is really the medic, and he really healed rayn... that's great. But rayn was a very obvious heal, so wouldn't an intelligent scum team have killed someone slightly less obvious?

Complete shot in the dark, but maybe the two remaining scum are both new players.

On November 11 2014 01:19 raynpelikoneet wrote:

you are really hard claiming?
well this kinda fucked everything up because you definitely should never have claimed.

i thought someone made a dumb ( -- and also "good" play) and saved Breshke.
now this shit basically outed you as doctor.. meh. you were already town for D2 voting..

DOUBLEFACEPALM BLAZINGHAND!!!

On November 11 2014 01:22 raynpelikoneet wrote:

as i said never ever do that.
even if you miss a heal it does "less bad" than a big asset dying. ^_^

On November 11 2014 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote:
bats let's be clear you were informed of a SUCCESFULL SAVE right?

On November 11 2014 02:01 Serejai wrote:


Wasn't it you that said kush likes to be bussed when he plays scum, though? Someone here mentioned that, so Breshke could've been doing that.

On November 11 2014 08:24 Breshke wrote:


I think it's serejai who is confirmed unless she can roleblock herself or if she role blocked partners and they let her claim but once again i don't think that is the case.

I don't know if it counts as a push but he pointed out a few of my posts that he had a problem with but im town.

Also i don't know if he buses his roleblocker.

On November 11 2014 08:38 Breshke wrote:


Not sure, i did townread sentinel for his "mafia team probably consists of" post. I also said i was fine lynching the cop even thought i didn't believe KSC was real so there is probably a post somewhere about those that's scummy but i can't be botherd to filter dive myself for it.

On November 23 2014 07:12 Superbia wrote:
Thanks bats. I fucking thought you were fakeclaiming, which was part of the reason why I shot you instead of blocking you.

On November 23 2014 07:19 Superbia wrote:


I felt you were the best kill there. A lot of the town were sheeping rayn, who was calling me mafia. So killing him there felt like suicide. I needed him to townread me before I killed him. I felt like you would've been able to cooperate with rayn during the next day, starting a strong town circle with two confirmeds and you two would've been able to figure out the game together, so I killed you.