Campus Mafia (New/Newish Players Welcome)

On November 03 2014 07:15 Fecalfeast wrote:
Hey gang wanna grab pizza after class?

On November 03 2014 08:10 kushm4sta wrote:
ok i actually read the op. this setup is broken.
non doctor role should claim. then doctor role will just protect the non doctor as he checks everyone.

On November 03 2014 08:19 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

Did you just call kush a decent player?

On November 03 2014 09:11 KelsierSC wrote:
Ff is my first town.. Firstly explaining to sentinal about the bh being rng king. And secondly he went back and checked the possible set ups after kush made his pronouncement then he asked kush to explain himself. That is a guy putting in the effort to catch scum.

On November 03 2014 09:47 KelsierSC wrote:
Bats you know he has about 4 posts and 2 of them are pregame nonsense

On November 03 2014 09:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

Who do you see as at least somewhat town/scum right now and why?

On November 03 2014 08:54 Grackaroni wrote:
Now, let's talk Kush. What's your leaning? Devious scummer or incompetent townie?
The answer incompetent mafia could also be acceptable.

On November 03 2014 10:16 KelsierSC wrote:


point is if ff was mafia he could just say "look kysh id trying to get roles out omfg" instead he went back to the op, looked at the setups and was like "a logical inconsistency, mafia make logical inconsistincies, kush your story doesn't make sense, explain" to me that is incredibly town.

also his question to hs was also excellent,

On November 03 2014 10:49 batsnacks wrote:
It's not a trap, I'm voting Superbia because I think he is the scummiest player and deserves to be voted.

(So do you)

Even if it is a trap people who fall for bat traps are usually town.

On November 03 2014 12:35 Immaterial wrote:


I didn't say that I have no idea why -- I said I didn't "fully understand" the tunneling business. I had already searched and found an article on that mafia wiki site, but I still didn't completely understand what he meant by that in the given context.

My interpretation of tunneling is that he would just select on person he's convinced is mafia and target them relentlessly (tunnel vision). I don't know if that's the correct interpretation, but my honest read on it was that Superbia's approach in those posts was strange. My vote was based on that combined with some other people's posts.

On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:


Make an example

On November 03 2014 20:51 KelsierSC wrote:
I want to talk about Grak

Last game I played with him he was really jokey and happy at the start and he brought up some good reasons why other people were town and most people just town read him straight away. At the beginning of this game he does have some fun with his grak trap business etc.

I like the way he tried to analyse kush, he asked people to talk about him and then brought his own read to the table which again feels town.

He has done some things I don't like though. I don't see why he is so eager to really go and hard defend super. I don't really think I have seen grak do that before.

Also this kind of thing bugs me



Pointing out something is "strange" but then not following it up at all. So is imma mafia or what?

On November 04 2014 10:40 Serejai wrote:
Fecal seems like someone who just went into mafia chat with Elvis and they just decided to start shifting the focus to a new townie after they realized it wasn't working on Superbia.

On November 04 2014 09:00 Fecalfeast wrote:
Kush is in my townreads because the more I look at his opening (asking scum to surrender because he thought we had an OP town setup) in combination with his lack of tolerance for bullshit (the serejai post) the more I think he's coming from a town mindset.

Yeah he's got a total of 8 posts since game start but in those 8 posts he has questioned super's tunneling post, sentinel's RNG manipulation post, "figured out" how to win as town(I can't read either) ANd called out the serejai post.

Again, all looks like it's coming from a town PoV

On November 03 2014 07:22 kushm4sta wrote:


do you usually have strong feelings about who to lynch d1?

On November 04 2014 00:37 Superbia wrote:
Ha! You have all underestimated Superbia's Digging Company!

The play is pretty straightforward. Experienced town is never going to take the contract for these reasons:
- If I'm town, I'll be wasting my time tunneling on a townie (from their perspective)
- If I'm mafia, I'll have a great excuse to go hard on them all day.

Scum, however, is more likely to take the contract for the following reasons:
- WIFOM
- I'm not afraid of being watched, I swear!
- Easy fallback on "Wow I can't believe you actually tunneled me, you're dumb as shit"

Since Sentinel is an experienced player (apparently), I'm pretty sure he's mafai here. Him following the badsnacks pressure train (and FF/kelsier's push) on me doesn't help. Why agree and then go against it?

##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel

On November 05 2014 03:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

He didn't vote, so I'd say we shouldn't waste our efforts unless he shows up just to vote or is modkilled eventually.

On November 05 2014 04:18 Serejai wrote:
It's also amusing that the first three people I called out as scum all have sat their votes on me ever since, while preaching to other people in the thread about how it's "textbook scum play" to vote for someone just because they called you scum.

Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet the scum team of kush, Fecal, and Elvis.

On November 05 2014 05:05 batsnacks wrote:
This wagon is epic. I love this.

On November 05 2014 05:14 batsnacks wrote:


This is not how town defenses themselves.

On November 05 2014 05:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Fine I will tell you my role since I going to get lynched anyway I am a Town Detective so if you lynch me oh well gl finding them without direct help.

On November 05 2014 05:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I got the pm as Detective nothing more nothing less I had to figure out that it was really Cop.

On November 05 2014 05:37 KelsierSC wrote:
Breshke what the fuck you think I am mafia and he is the real cop?

On November 05 2014 05:38 LightningStrike wrote:
I talked to some people and they told me it was Detective= Cop plus I had played SC2 custom game Mafia before and that closest I can get role wise on the words.

On November 05 2014 06:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
The problem with counterclaims is that we might have the setup with a doctor and a watcher.

On November 05 2014 06:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

But nobody would oppose him that way. It's only when he's about to get lynched that he can buy himself another day. Then he can give out reads as needed. Maybe even sacrifice himself to kill two townies and waste a lynch, since, even though he dies, it stops any discussion? That last part I'm unsure about, but I could see myself doing a fakeclaim like that as scum.

On November 05 2014 07:05 kushm4sta wrote:


i dont get your reasoning here. he can be proved by a flip or a claim. Very possibly that would have happened before lylo but if it didn't so what. We would still have confirmed scum/town at lylo.

On November 05 2014 08:17 kushm4sta wrote:


do people see how this reasoning is from the point of view that that dude in question is town? this was reasoning he was using before the flip.
"Why would mafia ever kill him when they can just roleblock him?"
which is true if he's town.
But if he's scum, there is a high possibility the real pr will die in which case ls would be confirmed scum.

On November 05 2014 07:41 sicklucker wrote:
scum - elvis and bat. They switched their vote at the last second but not to the person that woulda saved the cop.
Breshke He had plenty of time to change his vote

as for Immaterial if we think elvis and bat are scum just because they didnt vote for him does not mean hes scum with them. The reason they didnt vote for him is because that would give him 5 votes and the cop wouldnt die hes null for me.

Well if im dead on my first night at least you know why.

On November 05 2014 05:53 kushm4sta wrote:
basically due to the closed nature of this game, LS is now a terrible lynch because his alignment can be confirmed at lylo.

On October 30 2014 08:54 kushm4sta wrote:
1) Serejai
huh
2) Breshke
huh
3) Elvis!
huh
4) KelsierSC
leaver
5) Immaterial
huh
8) Batsnacks
oh no
9) kushm4sta
only decent player signed up
10) Grackaroni
fackk
11) FecalFeast
incoming headache
12) Superbia
don't remember what this guy's like

On November 05 2014 13:33 sicklucker wrote:


I think theres 3 mafia in the 4 who voted + bats. I include bats because if he changed his vote at the last second to Immaterial instead of Serejai then lightning would have survived because Immaterial would of been voted off which would have been alot better then are likely cop.

I think the best strategy is to vote out 2 or 3 of them if we hit scum keep going(it will tell us if we hit one right?). If not reevaluate.

On November 05 2014 13:53 Grackaroni wrote:
It depends a lot on the setup. If it's watcher/cop then scum has a lot of incentive to make sure that LS dies because in that case they can't RB him and will have to sacrifice a player to kill him or let him get checks (watcher is guaranteed to watch LS to check if he is RB'd or not)
If it's doc/cop then mafia don't need to lynch LS they can just RB him.

On November 06 2014 08:01 KelsierSC wrote:
Nice was unsure of grak so just read him as town so mafia would shoot him.

same reason i called breshke and Elvis mafia. Was hoping mafia would avoid then. I think breshke and Elvis are my top town.

On November 06 2014 07:58 Serejai wrote:


Of course I think his play was scummy; that's why I tried to start a lynch on him yesterday, but Grack was the only person to initially agree with me.

The whole "hey guys I didn't read thread but I'll vote to lynch cop and come back with a legit reasoning for it soon" crap he pulled last night, and then never came back to explain why he voted to lynch the cop... it doesn't get much more scum than that.

Waiting for him to pop in later with some excuse that his internet died or something.

As far as I'm concerned he's guilty until proven innocent, and he needs to have a damn good explanation for his vote last night.

On November 06 2014 08:19 Serejai wrote:


Perspective. There are a lot of people guilty for the death of the cop;

Bresh, Immaterial, Fecal, and Sentinel for leaving their votes on him.
batsnacks for your failed vote change at the end, and bullshit excuse.
Kelsier for his massive delay in rescinding his CC.

I'd certainly rather vote Immaterial over Kelsier. They were both scummy with the vote but Kelsier could at least justify his if he tried. Immaterial literally jumped in to lynch the cop and claimed he would be back to explain why, but never returned.

On November 06 2014 08:33 Breshke wrote:
Bats what do you think of immaterial's alignment?

On November 06 2014 09:03 Elvis! wrote:
I agree with bats and Bresh here.
Why blame people who stayed on the vote etc. and not kelsier for making people change their vote back to the cop?
He is the one conceiving people here, let's blame the conceiver and not the conceived.
These posts by Serejai would make a lot of sense if he and Kelsier would be a scum team.
Kelsier making people vote on the cop, not retrieving his CC in time and having a shitty excuse, Serejai blaming people who followed him but kinda sheeping Kelsier even though his actions were easily a lot more controversial.

On November 06 2014 09:04 batsnacks wrote:


I didn't miss it. I don't care about Immaterial or anyone else until KSC is gone.

On November 06 2014 09:18 batsnacks wrote:


Vote me then.

On November 06 2014 08:15 batsnacks wrote:
This is absurd. Why are people posting yet I'm the only person voting the person who killed the cop? Are all of you mafia?

On November 06 2014 09:37 batsnacks wrote:


Wtf are you talking about? Are you seriously asking why mafia would want to kill the uncced cop? Your questions make zero sense.

On November 06 2014 09:40 batsnacks wrote:


BECAUSE THEY GET AN EXTRA KILL

On November 06 2014 09:44 batsnacks wrote:


It means if we didn't lynch LS, the uncced cop, that we would have not lynched the cop.

On November 05 2014 05:21 Breshke wrote:


"town detective" don't claim my role bro

On November 06 2014 02:46 Grackaroni wrote:
I won't be on either, focus on immaterial/Kush when they post tomorrow.
I was pressuring Elvis a lot yesterday but I don't think he's scum anymore.
Superbia/sentinel are both possibilities
Try to look at KSCs play as a whole rather than just the fake claim -I'm pretty sure town fake counter claims more often than scum.
Batsnacks vote doesn't matter too much to me. It's not strange reasoning from Serajai but he could have easily not changed votes at all.

On November 06 2014 09:50 Fecalfeast wrote:



Watcher watches cop, sees roleblocker.

On November 06 2014 09:47 batsnacks wrote:


Yeah but we would still have a confirmed town. And it would have been really great if lightning was confirmed town because his posts were really scummy.

On November 06 2014 10:01 batsnacks wrote:
I can't find any town motivation for fake ccing cop until 3 minutes before the day ends, resulting in the real cop dying.

Nothing you can say is going to change this.

If you want reads on someone else, you just need to ask.

On November 06 2014 09:04 batsnacks wrote:


I didn't miss it. I don't care about Immaterial or anyone else until KSC is gone.

On November 06 2014 10:06 batsnacks wrote:


It would appear he sacrificed himself to kill the cop, actually. That is what happened.

You really need to understand that if someone claims cop, it's serious. It means they're the cop until they get cced. There is no town motivation for claiming cop to get the real cop lynched.

On November 06 2014 10:26 Serejai wrote:




28 hours later and we're still waiting for this justification he had for lynching the cop.

On November 06 2014 10:34 sicklucker wrote:


I dont think that was a slip but THATS SO SCUMMY why would town ever out are doctor incase no one esle noticed

On November 05 2014 05:52 kushm4sta wrote:
who was that dude that wwas like I THINK IT MIGHT BE 10/3. we can lynch him right?

On November 05 2014 05:57 kushm4sta wrote:


can u link me or summarize a case sir?

On November 06 2014 12:35 sicklucker wrote:
I like your order I might throw Breshke at the end of your list too but if we kill 2 or 3 of them and there town THATS WHEN we hightly consider lynching kesh or other completely new ideas.

Im completely clueless on kush and their relationship I only read the first 30 pages once threw when I was told id be replacing for this in an hour and he has not said one word since ive been active. Ill have to reread it all slower then before before this day is over.

like your order I might throw Breshke at the end of your list too but if we kill 2 or 3 of them and there town THATS WHEN we hightly consider lynching kesh or other completely new ideas.

On November 07 2014 06:30 sicklucker wrote:


Ya ok I just read it thanks for that filter tip I did not know about it before makes things easier. Going into this I was told hes a very helpful town but a horrible mafia. I dont know about all that so i just go on what people I have town reads on tell me but as an unbiased person this is what I think from the little information hes given us.

He comes off to me when he actually seems serious as townie to me. He hard defended not lynching the cop to you off all people.




I think your missing this fact he also voted sentinel really fast I highly doubt they are aligned. If sentinels misslynched it makes a little bit of sense to look at him but hes leaning town for me right now and would be a horrible lynch atm.

On November 05 2014 07:05 kushm4sta wrote:


i dont get your reasoning here. he can be proved by a flip or a claim. Very possibly that would have happened before lylo but if it didn't so what. We would still have confirmed scum/town at lylo.

On November 05 2014 13:19 Grackaroni wrote:

Kush is quite bad at playing scum. He used to only be capable of bussing as scum, so if all of Kush's reads were correct you could tell that he had too much information.

On November 05 2014 13:37 Grackaroni wrote:
here are some funny Kush quotes from an old scum qt I remembered from the TL mafia database.
(this is an awesome place to go to if you want to study past games of a player in your game!)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-database

kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted
09-22-2013
02:22 AM ET (US)

here is a gift i am going to give to all of you. The gift of a 100% easy and correct way of reading my alignment.

I cannot read town filters as scum. I just tried and it's impossible. Too boring! But I do it as my primary scumhunting method as town.

kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted
09-21-2013
09:57 AM ET (US)
please bus me i want my life to end

kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted
09-21-2013
09:38 AM ET (US)
im so sad i got scum. everyone has permission to bus the shit out of me

kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted
09-20-2013
10:58 PM ET (US)
nah im trash scum and i will bus all of you in the most obvious manner

On November 07 2014 08:14 sicklucker wrote:
Heres another thought I have. If theres alot of towns in the 4 afks we almost certainly lose anyway there gonna vote wrong if they vote at all and we already have elvis whos going to vote very poorly imo. So I think the better rng play is to go after them and pray?

On November 07 2014 07:52 Serejai wrote:
I don't think there's really enough posting done by kush to make a case against him, other than "his scum play is bad and he usually afks when scum". I mean, that's a good reason... I'm just saying he isn't posting enough to really have other reasons against him. I think he's scum but I would lynch him for AFKing sooner than I would lynch him for being scum, if that makes sense. It's hard to come up with multiple different cases against him.

As far as reading people who have become less active... not so much. I've been on Elvis all game, and I've been on Immaterial nearly all game. For me, nothing has really changed with either of them. However, for all of the people that thought they were town on Day 1... I'm pointing out that they should reconsider based on how their play, or lack thereof, has changed.

For kush I don't think much has changed for me; his play is consistent(ly bad). For Sentinel, he was very active early game and now he's barely around at all now that people want to vote him. Essentially those four people I listed are all acting scummier today than they were yesterday, to varying degrees. Those are the four people I think we should look at lynching today, and focus our efforts on reading and whatnot.

On November 07 2014 09:05 sicklucker wrote:


I thought this was interesting "sometimes he does nothing as town too"

On November 05 2014 05:45 Immaterial wrote:
##vote LightningStrikes

Insanely busy at work, I have to vote without catching up on the thread at all. I promise to justify the vote tonight, but I'll be here ntil late

On November 07 2014 09:13 batsnacks wrote:


I think it's relevant considering kush is doing nothing.

On November 07 2014 09:20 sicklucker wrote:


because you used another quote to put scum on me and this says the opposite could be true.

Dont get me wrong kush is on my extended lynch list above you. He has contributed nothing. I just dont think hes leaned one way or another hes null for me after just going through gracks filter who seems to be the only one who had much of a read on him.

On November 07 2014 11:29 batsnacks wrote:


I like how many words he wrote mostly. That is a lot of words.

On November 07 2014 11:30 kushm4sta wrote:
wait no let me vote for someone who i actually thought was scummy
##Unvote
##vote [UON]sentinel

On November 05 2014 13:07 sicklucker wrote:
elvis drop this its not productive and your not gonna convince anyone because your going against the logic of thousands of mafia games. Theres also this. Theres a 66% chance that there is a town watcher in the game heres a description of this role

Every night, you may choose a player other than yourself to watch. You will learn the names of every player that visits your target the same night. You win with the town.

So all the town has to do is keep checking him and when hes role blocked or killed we know who it is and we get a 1 for 1 trade (they cant leave a confirmed cop in the game) no matter what unless they fake claim cop or something crazy.

This is my first mafia game and I noticed this so im sure everyone has figured it out I know Breshke already said the same thing indirectly about his horrible vote. Anyway move on. Think im gonna head to bed

On November 07 2014 12:07 Elvis! wrote:
well if you say you agree 100% I kinda think you agree with everything up until that point am I wrong?

On November 07 2014 12:14 Elvis! wrote:
(There's a hefty discussion going on in the scum QT I assume, since there's easy questions and noone answers)

On November 07 2014 14:55 kushm4sta wrote:
dun lynch me bros

On November 07 2014 21:52 Serejai wrote:
Immaterial is really bothering me.

On one hand I think he's scum and want to lynch him. On the other hand he's going to be modkilled, so that would be a wasted lynch.

Or is he? Maybe he is scum and he's going to be replaced instead of modkilled, in which case the game would pretty much be over because we would have just let a very obvious scum live two days in a row for no good reason.

There's also the chance that he decides to show up 5 minutes before voting ends to cast his vote, in which case that kind of solidifies he's scum but it would be too late for us to do anything about it at that point.

On November 08 2014 04:51 Superbia wrote:
Neither you nor Serejai are getting lynched today. Kelsier is getting lynched today.

Kush should start doing shit tomorrow or he should have himself get MKed or replaced.

Imma should get MKed or replaced.

Elvis town.

Serejai town.

sicklucker leaning scum. The fact that I can't resonate with the logic behind his posts makes it incredibly hard for me to read him at this point in time. Seems very fixated on claiming town and being read town, which is why I'm reading him as possible scum.

batsnacks maybe town. Confirmed town if Kelsier flips scum.

Sentinel still scum. Scum read him d1, since then he has: 1. lynched the cop. 2. done nothing. Lynch for tomorrow.

FecalFeast still leaning scum. Hasn't really done much today except change vote from kelsier to a lurker (kush), which does not hold up well if kelsier ends up flipping scum. Why the fuck are you going after a lurker again on d2? No information to be gained from the lynch, no real reason behind the lynch, easy target. Priority target (alongside Sentinel) if kelsier flips scum.

Breshke leaning scum. Pushes on lurker (kush), which is scummy for the reasons described under FF. This post is also scummy or at best donkey town:


Let me get this straight: it's revealed that cop is being lynched a few minutes before EoD and the right number of people don't move their votes, so the cop ends up dying. Do you think this is fucking random or something? Scum had so much to gain from that lynch. Analyzing the votes is the way to gain information, especially in this case. For sure there was scum on LS. For sure there was scum who did not change their votes (in time). Guess what? You were among those who had their votes on LS in the end. This combined with the fact that you're basically telling us "not to analyze the votes too much" is pretty fucking scummy. Your tunnel on kush today is also a waste of time because we have essentially no information regarding kush.

On November 08 2014 05:09 Superbia wrote:


This is the massive problem with leaving Kelsier alive. We don't know for sure if he's a correct lynch, but he's going to be an easy lynch for the rest of the game. His presence will FUCK US UP during MYLO/LYLO. I'm not convinced that sicklucker will flip scum. Moreover, we get very little information from his lynch, because he has been in the game for essentially 1 day. Moreover, he was not part of the votes yesterday, which gives us even less information. Not the correct lynch. Lynch should be Kelsier.

On November 08 2014 05:10 Elvis! wrote:
But Breshke is he hurting town atm?
Why not lynch him later, we can't lynch them all at once?
Also what do you think about his excuse OR him being lazy town OR him being lurking town OR him being lazy PR OR him being lurking PR.
Don't you feel the possibility of a mislynch is too high?

On November 08 2014 05:10 sicklucker wrote:
Bresh what do you think of a scum team of kush Serejai + one. Who would your one be?

On November 08 2014 05:18 Superbia wrote:


I'm honestly expecting him to be replaced if he doesn't become more active. Also lurkers come out of their shells when the players reduce because there is no way to hide. You can't lurk yourself to victory regardless of alignment. It's a losing strategy for either alignment.

On November 08 2014 05:15 Elvis! wrote:
Breshke and Superbia:
Both your targets have barely posted.
Both of them are easy lynches later on.
Both of them don't hurt town atm and are less likely to hurt town than sicklucker.

Please let us lynch sicklucker, a person where you should look at his filter again, try to find out his alignment and then decide.
We can discuss in which order we lynch KSC/kush tomorrow and see if they were just lurking.

On November 08 2014 05:20 Elvis! wrote:
He might just be agree with me because he wants to pocket me. He also posted earlier "wagons are fun", which might be the point in time where he decided to bus his scum mate.
I won't have his posts influence my vote.
If he wants to bus his teammate, he can.
So atm I read him leaning scum.

On November 07 2014 10:46 sicklucker wrote:
I dont think I should pick being interjected into this game late. If you put me on the spot Ksc because hes representing one pov vs sent or imma. Maybe even elvis or kush so Its not a huge landslide and gets more interesting info.

But I feel like im just finding maybe mafias Im having a real hard time finding anyone I see who are very likely mafia which might just mean its the obvious people.

On November 07 2014 10:53 sicklucker wrote:
Lol I knew elvis was gonna scum read me hard. He soft scumed me earlier and I think he was the only one to do so the entire game so far and he seems to just go after whoever targets him.

On November 07 2014 13:43 sicklucker wrote:
So thats what 95% looks like eh lol. Im like 50% at most on anyone at this point

On November 08 2014 05:39 kushm4sta wrote:


YO SEREJAI IS A FEMALE NOT MALE. She said so in the qt.

On November 08 2014 06:02 Elvis! wrote:
Breshke and Superbia:
Do you want this guy to be alive at LYLO/MYLO, let alone at any point in the game?
Is he not distracting everyone?
Is he not seething chaos?
Is he helping town?

On November 08 2014 06:20 batsnacks wrote:
Oh yeah I forgot

##vote KelsierSC

On November 08 2014 06:46 Elvis! wrote:
Bresh how does KSC dieing give more info?
He hasn't posted in ages, so he basically is in this thread as long as sicklucker.

On November 08 2014 06:48 Breshke wrote:


How does lynching sicklucker give more info?

I want to be lynching kush today, I don't know about these guys and im of oppisite opinion to you im not giving lurkers a free pass until mylo

On November 08 2014 06:51 sicklucker wrote:


Im at a mindset due to peoples inactivety that if I cant contribute going forward people were screwed

On November 08 2014 06:58 Fecalfeast wrote:
would shennannie onto kush if others are here

On November 08 2014 07:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Breskhe if tou're town look into other rhings than sl.
Him and elvis were dudes pushing the thread forwards at the end of d2.
Did they wanna save kush? Like rly... if not, they are not scum. If yes, why?

On November 08 2014 07:33 batsnacks wrote:
If anyone else got roleblocked last night now is the time to speak up. Otherwise jasmine is confirmed town.

On November 08 2014 08:07 Serejai wrote:


I'm glad you're starting from scratch, but as the only confirmed town in this game I'm still voting to lynch you.

On November 08 2014 08:26 Superbia wrote:


I didn't think your case was good, pre-game is pretty OGI and doesn't have to mean anything. I'm a bit sour nobody listened, but at least we hit. Obi (Kelsier) is still the lynch for tomorrow as it stands.

On November 08 2014 08:39 Serejai wrote:
Breshke and sicklucker scum, bussed kush to save sicklucker since kush was inactive anyway.

I DID IT GUYS. I SOLVED THE GAME.

On November 08 2014 09:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Can you guys read what i write and comment on it?
Comments?

On November 08 2014 09:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Holy shit how did you guys lynch the cop day 1?

Vote Count

Serejai (1): Elvis!, batsnacks
[UoN]Sentinel (2): Superbia, kushm4sta
LightningStrike (4): Breshke, Immaterial, [UoN]Sentinel, FecalFeast
Immaterial (4): Grackaroni, Serejai, LightningStrike, KSC


Not Voting (1): Cricketer12

Currently, LightningStrike is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in 0m 0s at 08:30 ACST (+10:30).

Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone.

Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain.

On November 04 2014 12:05 Fecalfeast wrote:

I agree with superbia in saying that a good town wouldn't take this contract if he thought it was serious.


After signing up for the tunnel, he starts to talk about game setup and host-based WIFOM rather than talking about what the superbia post really means. At this point the superbia post has been beat to death and then beat some more but at the time of this post the only other comment on it was batsnacks' vote.

Even after batsnacks less-than-subtly points out why the speculation is useless sentinel continues to talk about host-based wifom.

It's not until I explain that BH wouldn't offend the RNG gods that he reconsiders yet leaves in "I stand by my practice of rigging games." Not to sound nitpicky but that seems like a trolly leave-behind to get people talking about RNG-rigging rather than the game at hand.


Now let's look at his actions after the fabled tunneling professional returns. I'm going to be quoting from this post


Well, here's the first person to incorporate super's logic in his case. Come at me, brother.


So elvis looks scummy for wasting town's time talking about someone he thinks is unimportant? What about wasting town's time talking about game setup information that can never be confirmed, is that scummy?

Then this post.


let's look at the timestamps of elvis' posts you quoted in the spoiler.


You're making him seem like he's trying to derail discussion multiple seperate times yet all the posts you quote are from a 7-minute period of time. Your logic only follows if people perpetuated the discussion because of elvis and, to be honest, the only person to do that is you.

On November 05 2014 05:57 kushm4sta wrote:


can u link me or summarize a case sir?

On November 05 2014 06:00 kushm4sta wrote:
good case. scummy misrep on elvis.

##unvote
##vote sentinal

On November 09 2014 07:30 sicklucker wrote:


Imma? Im told the replacement can be a really good mafia player so im not ruling it out and theres 0 other mafia teams in my mind that dont involve one of the new players. But hes been such a good town and making insanely accurate observations. I think if we mis today we can look at other ideas like this but I think sent or ff have to be lynched today.

I dont like how sent came on just now, its like he came on last minute to put in his night actions then left again. I think lynching ff could make more sense because he fits into a few more circles in my mind.

On November 08 2014 06:58 Fecalfeast wrote:
would shennannie onto kush if others are here

On November 09 2014 14:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


How is it that you came to the conclusion that Sentinel and either me/rayn are mafia?

Both of us want to kill him, so this means that you think one of us is bussing him because unicorns.

On November 09 2014 16:29 sicklucker wrote:


SO brekes I see where your at and im at a similar spot. Theres only one solution to solve all of your fears. lynch FF. If one of the new guys are mafia ff is almost certainly with them because they are pushing sent. If ff and superbia are a team as you believe is possible if you lynch ff you solve that problem too. And if its sent kush+ 1 ff is also the most likely scum.

I feel lynching ff is a 100% win percentage while lynching sent is probably only like 80

On November 09 2014 17:53 sicklucker wrote:
Sent is not a newb hes hosting another mafia game. Hes so dejected from this game he only logs on to do night actions not even to change his votes, hes just given up

SO brekes I see where your at and im at a similar spot. Theres only one solution to solve all of your fears. lynch FF. If one of the new guys are mafia ff is almost certainly with them because they are pushing sent. If ff and superbia are a team as you believe is possible if you lynch ff you solve that problem too. And if its sent kush+ 1 ff is also the most likely scum.

On November 09 2014 18:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
If it really gives you that much information somehow to kill me, do it. I've never been killed in 6 games of mafia, this one being my 7th so I don't really mind. I'm VT but we can spare another town if it really gives you so much info that you figure the game out from it.

On November 09 2014 18:07 sicklucker wrote:


Everyone has said the last two scum are probably ff and sent. So to me it didnt matter the order. Ive said many many times I think its better to vote out ff just for the fact the unknowns in this game all want sent gone and not ff . I also think if theres two potential people to vote on we GAIN INFORMATION from who votes where. Ive said this so many times.

On November 09 2014 18:16 Fecalfeast wrote:

I agree I was being facetious I guess that's hard to do over the internet.

can I add /f to that post?

On November 09 2014 06:51 Breshke wrote:
Okay the interaction wasn't as big a deal as i thought it was

Fecal makes this case



Kush wants to vote on sentinel at EoD1



He gets linked ff's case and after just 3 minutes (which he got inged out for because there was no way he read it all.)



So kush and ff would have basically been trying to bury their partner at EoD1 and gotten him lynched.

I feel like im making too many associative reads though.

On November 10 2014 07:50 Elvis! wrote:
Bresh nope.
Give me a good reason to believe him, he's around null for me atm.

On November 10 2014 08:05 Superbia wrote:
Like I'm not going to live in a world where mafia doesn't shoot.

Mafia Goon
Every night, the mafia team must choose a player to kill, and a team member to perform the kill.

On November 10 2014 08:07 Elvis! wrote:
So there is a couple of cases where I don't agree:
Since they don't want a confirmed townie, they blocked someone else the second night, thus his claim is wrong.
They blocked themselves 2 times which you already pointed out.
Since a lot of people (me included) haven't been particularily clever this game, someone might not out themselves being blocked in fear of getting lynched.
As Serejai posted they could have not shot for whatever reason. So medic could have been blocked, and medic doesn't wanna out before lategame because he's gonna get killed if he does.
This is the same reason why I think bats outing of being medic is either really stupid or wrong (could still be town or mafia).
Like if he's mafia, the real medic wouldn't cc, since claiming medic is retarded before endgame.

I'm not saying this is a lot of propability.
But it's not 100% and there could be mafia strategy behind it.

On November 10 2014 08:29 Elvis! wrote:
Just a thing to think about:
Night one, mafia blocks serejai and someone else kills grack, the medic tried saving someone else.
Night two, mafia blocks serejai who was gonna perform a kill.
Now the mafia serejai would be confirmed town and isn't gonna die like... ever?
They lose a kill and gain at least one confirmed town.

Now a different one:
bats is mafia and claims doctor.
Mafia roleblocks them selves night two.
The doctor doesn't cc, since if he cc's later he can save people first and still kill a confirmed mafia later, when maybe there is only 1 mafia left.
Meanwhile, mafia has a confirmed town all the while and might convince people that the cc at the end isn't correct.

both these scenarios aren't likely, but they can be true and would be a strategy mafia could do.
Obviously there is a lot of WIFOM in this.
This just justifies why people aren't 100% confirmed for me, since I want people to take me seriously because what I'm posting isn't stupid, it's just scenarios that prove they're not 100%.

In my mind, getting a confirmed town as mafia is a thing they really really want to have.

On November 10 2014 15:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
If sentinel flips mafia I think it's sicklucker

If sentinel flips town I'm gonna have to go with sicklucker.

On November 10 2014 18:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

Don't ask questions you don't want to know the answer to

On November 11 2014 08:11 Superbia wrote:
Okay. I think FF may actually be town here:

1. I don't think Sent would have gone down like that if the last mafia was on everyone's (?) hit list.
2. I think FF would've conceded at this point in time.

On November 11 2014 08:21 batsnacks wrote:
I think we should look at who else kush attempted to push.

On November 11 2014 08:25 batsnacks wrote:


What do you think your scummiest post is breshke?

On November 11 2014 08:41 batsnacks wrote:


You did what?

On November 11 2014 08:29 Superbia wrote:
There was a question earlier about whether kush getting bussed himself is something he advocates. Has this been answered?