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On November 03 2014 07:15 Fecalfeast wrote: Hey gang wanna grab pizza after class? I like pizza | ||
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On November 03 2014 08:10 kushm4sta wrote: ok i actually read the op. this setup is broken. non doctor role should claim. then doctor role will just protect the non doctor as he checks everyone. This from the only decent player to sign up man are we in trouble. | ||
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On November 03 2014 08:19 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Did you just call kush a decent player? Was referring to his pre game list in which he refers to himself as a decent player. | ||
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On November 03 2014 09:11 KelsierSC wrote: Ff is my first town.. Firstly explaining to sentinal about the bh being rng king. And secondly he went back and checked the possible set ups after kush made his pronouncement then he asked kush to explain himself. That is a guy putting in the effort to catch scum. How does either of the two things you said he did help towards catching scum? | ||
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On November 03 2014 09:47 KelsierSC wrote: Bats you know he has about 4 posts and 2 of them are pregame nonsense Compared to ff who you have a town read on for two posts both of which i wouldn't consider to be alignment indicative. Im not trying to be that serious but my last 2 games i seem to just sheep all of day one and i want to change that. | ||
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On November 03 2014 09:57 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Who do you see as at least somewhat town/scum right now and why? I have Gack as leaning town for this post here. On November 03 2014 08:54 Grackaroni wrote: Now, let's talk Kush. What's your leaning? Devious scummer or incompetent townie? The answer incompetent mafia could also be acceptable. He seems to be trying to lead the conversation away from the initial joking/trolling phase into serious discussion which i see as townie. Also i have you has also lean town because i don't think mafia makes that post about having 1 from the newbie pile and two from the veteran pile. I don't think mafia would make this post as you would know your team setup and it would be weird for you to come up with that as mafia. This is a weak read. Don't have much else at the moment. Also im confused why everyone is jumping on batsnacks but not kelsier? Do people agree with kelsiers read on ff? How is explaining game mechanics hunting scum? How is pushing kush for not getting the setup right hunting scum when if he is mafia he is given the setup? | ||
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On November 03 2014 10:16 KelsierSC wrote: point is if ff was mafia he could just say "look kysh id trying to get roles out omfg" instead he went back to the op, looked at the setups and was like "a logical inconsistency, mafia make logical inconsistincies, kush your story doesn't make sense, explain" to me that is incredibly town. also his question to hs was also excellent, So what do you think of kush then? Do you think he is mafia for his "logical inconsistency". Also when he comes back to the thread and just says he read the OP wrong what then? | ||
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On November 03 2014 10:49 batsnacks wrote: It's not a trap, I'm voting Superbia because I think he is the scummiest player and deserves to be voted. (So do you) Even if it is a trap people who fall for bat traps are usually town. I disagree but i want to see what superbia brings to the table before i say why if that makes sense. | ||
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Although i agree deliberately tunneling someone is anti town but im intrested to see how serious he is about it. | ||
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Batsnacks do you agree with kelsier that superbia has to bleed town not to be lynched today? | ||
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Elvis do you have no reads from the rest of the game even leaning town or scum? Immaterial could you explain to me why you think what superbia did makes him mafia? | ||
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On November 03 2014 12:35 Immaterial wrote: I didn't say that I have no idea why -- I said I didn't "fully understand" the tunneling business. I had already searched and found an article on that mafia wiki site, but I still didn't completely understand what he meant by that in the given context. My interpretation of tunneling is that he would just select on person he's convinced is mafia and target them relentlessly (tunnel vision). I don't know if that's the correct interpretation, but my honest read on it was that Superbia's approach in those posts was strange. My vote was based on that combined with some other people's posts. Who's posts, which ones try quote them if you can. What do you think about them because of these posts? | ||
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I don't like that this post makes it seem like you arn't in the mindset to try and find peoples alignments from their posts and need someone to specifically point stuff out to you. This isn't what i remember you being like last game. | ||
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Kelsier im especially interested to hear what you think about Elvis. | ||
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I'm intrested to see what Elvis brings to the thread but sadly i think i will be asleep for it. Also i'm hesitant to call Immaterial or lightning stirke mafia as i can see them being new town and trying to enter the thread on a read they are sheeping as im fairly sure this is something i did in my first game but dont get me wrong im not giving them a pass. Currently i am happy where my vote is even though i like how elvis has reacted so far. Which bits of bats gameplay make you think he is town? Right now i have you as my top town because all throughout the thread, other than your ff read which i still disagree with you on, you have posted stuff that ive been wanting to psot in other words same thought process. Also reading sentinel and grack as lean town. | ||
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On November 03 2014 20:51 KelsierSC wrote: I want to talk about Grak Last game I played with him he was really jokey and happy at the start and he brought up some good reasons why other people were town and most people just town read him straight away. At the beginning of this game he does have some fun with his grak trap business etc. I like the way he tried to analyse kush, he asked people to talk about him and then brought his own read to the table which again feels town. He has done some things I don't like though. I don't see why he is so eager to really go and hard defend super. I don't really think I have seen grak do that before. Also this kind of thing bugs me Pointing out something is "strange" but then not following it up at all. So is imma mafia or what? Why do you put strange in quotations here. You obviously agree that immaterial isn't giving towny vibes but i do agree that he hasn't followed it up but i feel like he hasn't really been around to do so. Also i like your case on immaterial but as a newbie scum do you think his only actions in the thread would be to first fos someone and then vote someone out of nowhere. I feel like this is far too aggro for someone who's main goal is to blend in and not be lynched. I think the way Elvis entered the thread, much more passively saying he couldn't get read and what not, is far more mafia indicative. | ||
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I like parts of your recent posts but jsut remember you shouldn't be afraid to post gut feelings as town as its a good insidght to your latter thought processes. Not writing that stuff just makes me feel like you have something to hide. Like i still have a gut feeling you aren't town but two of my biggest town reads disagree so ill drop it for now | ||
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I agree the pressure on serajai was good because yeah roleplaying is fine but the entire 3 seats thing and there's 3 mafia i don't know maybe im looking too much into it. I just don't think that is the most worthwhile thing as town that he could have posted but I guess it doesn't helphim as mafia either. I also agree with grack, i fully expected kush to be trying to lead a day one lynch because of his pregame list "i am the greatest" thing. | ||
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I don't really know where to go from here but the people i would be willing to lynch today are cricketer, kush, lightning strike serajai. I am also lean scum on elvis fecal and immaterial. It worry's me that i basically just want to lynch the more lurky players because there is for sure a mafia outside of these. | ||
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On November 04 2014 10:40 Serejai wrote: Fecal seems like someone who just went into mafia chat with Elvis and they just decided to start shifting the focus to a new townie after they realized it wasn't working on Superbia. What about fecals vote on elvis. if you think they are partners what do you think was going on there. | ||
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On November 04 2014 09:00 Fecalfeast wrote: Kush is in my townreads because the more I look at his opening (asking scum to surrender because he thought we had an OP town setup) in combination with his lack of tolerance for bullshit (the serejai post) the more I think he's coming from a town mindset. Yeah he's got a total of 8 posts since game start but in those 8 posts he has questioned super's tunneling post, sentinel's RNG manipulation post, "figured out" how to win as town(I can't read either) ANd called out the serejai post. Again, all looks like it's coming from a town PoV So i have been thinking about this and i don't actually think this is a good enough reason to read kush as town. On November 03 2014 07:22 kushm4sta wrote: do you usually have strong feelings about who to lynch d1? I agree this post is towny but what do you think kush got from it. In part it isn't his fault because superbia never answerd but neither did he push to get an answer. The next two posts are about sentinels host based wifom as people are calling it and this isnt town either. He isn't hunting scum just explaining mechanics. Next three posts are him misreading the setup. Yes this could be considered townie because he thought we had autowin and obviously wouldn't point this out as scum. What has he done after this though?The answer is nothing no scum hunting just one post telling serajai to give reads which he could easily do as scum to make a newbie town look bad. He hasn't even posted any reads himself either. So please explain ff and anyone else reading kush as town. | ||
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Reasons why i think kush isn't town are in my last post. On November 04 2014 00:37 Superbia wrote: Ha! You have all underestimated Superbia's Digging Company! The play is pretty straightforward. Experienced town is never going to take the contract for these reasons: - If I'm town, I'll be wasting my time tunneling on a townie (from their perspective) - If I'm mafia, I'll have a great excuse to go hard on them all day. Scum, however, is more likely to take the contract for the following reasons: - WIFOM - I'm not afraid of being watched, I swear! - Easy fallback on "Wow I can't believe you actually tunneled me, you're dumb as shit" Since Sentinel is an experienced player (apparently), I'm pretty sure he's mafai here. Him following the badsnacks pressure train (and FF/kelsier's push) on me doesn't help. Why agree and then go against it? ##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel I disagree with you here. First of all a town tunneling on a town isn't a waste of time. People can get reads from not only on the two people involved but also from other peoples reactions to said tunnel. This would be the same case if you were mafia and sentinel was town. So in the world where sentinel is town and especially if he is an experienced player i think it is totally fair enough for him to volunteer to be tunneled as it would be a great way to get reads. Lets look now from the perspective if sentinel is mafia. What does he have to gain volunteering to be tunneled on by a player who seemed confident at the time. This would just bring unwanted attention to himself when it would have been easy for him to sit back and just not react to that post at all as it wasn't directed at him. There is also the world where sentinel and superbia are both mafia but i doubt they have an interaction like this so early if that is the case. I also find it hard to believe that you were actually laying a trap with that post and still think you were just making it up as you go along. I do like your other reads though although you feel a lot less passionate than other games i have played with you but i think that is just when i compare your activity this game to other games. | ||
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Im really not sure on serajai at the moment but that might just be because her scumlist is almost everyone i said i wanted to lynch earlier. Also if she is mafia there is at least one scum in the people she called out because the others i hope i think i have a fairly good town read. Superbia if you are around id appreciate if you'd change your vote as sentinel isn't getting lynched today. Also i still don't see why kush is getting a pass today. Since my post on him not one person has called him mafia or expressed the desire to vote on him. This could also attribute to me wanting to read serajai as town. i've been one of the most universally town read person this game so I find it interesting that no mafia joined this wagon on kush. I know my case was weak as he hasn't actually posted anything that is scummy per-say it is more in his lack of posting considering his hype in the pre game. He is still low hanging fruit though so if he is town I see no reason why mafia haven't jumped on this although i might be reading into this too much. | ||
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On November 05 2014 03:49 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: He didn't vote, so I'd say we shouldn't waste our efforts unless he shows up just to vote or is modkilled eventually. I agree with this guy by the way although it blows if he is mafia | ||
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On November 05 2014 04:18 Serejai wrote: It's also amusing that the first three people I called out as scum all have sat their votes on me ever since, while preaching to other people in the thread about how it's "textbook scum play" to vote for someone just because they called you scum. Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet the scum team of kush, Fecal, and Elvis. You need to give reasoning. | ||
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You have given hardly any reasoning fr your scum team so how can anyone do this with you. It feels like you are just pulling names out of the pool of people calling you scum. | ||
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I don't want to lynch serajai | ||
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On November 05 2014 05:05 batsnacks wrote: This wagon is epic. I love this. If kush has the same activity tomorrow what are you going to do? | ||
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On November 05 2014 05:14 batsnacks wrote: This is not how town defenses themselves. i don't think this is how scum defends themselves either. Maybe he thinks he is a jester | ||
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On November 05 2014 05:18 LightningStrike wrote: Fine I will tell you my role since I going to get lynched anyway I am a Town Detective so if you lynch me oh well gl finding them without direct help. "town detective" don't claim my role bro | ||
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On November 05 2014 05:33 LightningStrike wrote: I got the pm as Detective nothing more nothing less I had to figure out that it was really Cop. how'd you figure that out | ||
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On November 05 2014 05:37 KelsierSC wrote: Breshke what the fuck you think I am mafia and he is the real cop? Nah im sure you are the real cop, check kush for a red check tomorrow thanks lets just hope you live | ||
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On November 05 2014 05:38 LightningStrike wrote: I talked to some people and they told me it was Detective= Cop plus I had played SC2 custom game Mafia before and that closest I can get role wise on the words. how did you know detective doesn't mean watcher? | ||
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I may be willing to change my vote but not to sentinel fairly sure that guy is town. | ||
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On November 05 2014 06:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: The problem with counterclaims is that we might have the setup with a doctor and a watcher. Yeah but as scum he would know that and wouldnt claim cop because if he is scum cop claim was probably to bait a CC | ||
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On November 05 2014 06:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: But nobody would oppose him that way. It's only when he's about to get lynched that he can buy himself another day. Then he can give out reads as needed. Maybe even sacrifice himself to kill two townies and waste a lynch, since, even though he dies, it stops any discussion? That last part I'm unsure about, but I could see myself doing a fakeclaim like that as scum. I never thought about it this way this is an interesting insight | ||
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Why can't we just lynch kush today? | ||
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On November 05 2014 07:05 kushm4sta wrote: i dont get your reasoning here. he can be proved by a flip or a claim. Very possibly that would have happened before lylo but if it didn't so what. We would still have confirmed scum/town at lylo. Why would mafia ever kill him they would just roleblock him and leave him alive. People would always be unsure on him there would always be the world where there is a watcher and a medic or where there was another cop not wanting to claim yet. Going forward I didn't think he would be necessary as he is useless until we killed the roleblocker and i was confident in that happening. It was wrong though i should have changed my vote i was bullheaded though and was sure he was just trying to save himself as mafia. Also are you going to actually start helping town now or what? | ||
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Bats once again i ask why you unvoted straight away after he claimed. So you think this guy is scum you have started a bandwagon on him. Then he claims cop and you immediately unvote. As town you would have suspicion of a fake claim as he was claiming to save himself. So why didn't you leave your vote and pressure him. That play doesn't add up. I think KSC is town and im leaning scum on bats. | ||
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On November 05 2014 08:17 kushm4sta wrote: do people see how this reasoning is from the point of view that that dude in question is town? this was reasoning he was using before the flip. "Why would mafia ever kill him when they can just roleblock him?" which is true if he's town. But if he's scum, there is a high possibility the real pr will die in which case ls would be confirmed scum. What are you trying to say here? | ||
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Elvis why was your vote on serajai. People were obviously not switching to this target could you explain your thought process. Also what do you think about immaterials alignment? | ||
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I find the way sicklucker has enterd the game has been very good. I think if he was mafia coming into this game he wouldn't be so quick to give reads like this On November 05 2014 07:41 sicklucker wrote: scum - elvis and bat. They switched their vote at the last second but not to the person that woulda saved the cop. Breshke He had plenty of time to change his vote as for Immaterial if we think elvis and bat are scum just because they didnt vote for him does not mean hes scum with them. The reason they didnt vote for him is because that would give him 5 votes and the cop wouldnt die hes null for me. Well if im dead on my first night at least you know why. Sicklucker how many mafia do you think are in the final votes on LS? | ||
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On November 05 2014 05:53 kushm4sta wrote: basically due to the closed nature of this game, LS is now a terrible lynch because his alignment can be confirmed at lylo. I seriously don't understand this guy. He has sparks of seeming to try help town but doesn't expand on anything. So kush thought LS was a terrible lynch then why didn't he switch his vote to immaterial? He said the LS lynch was bad and was in a direct position to stop it but took no action to do so. Kush is coasting he isn't trying this makes even more sense if he has a hard time playing scum. He needs to be seriously looked at tomorrow we can't just let him have a free pass again. Look at kush pre game this for example is one of his posts. On October 30 2014 08:54 kushm4sta wrote: 1) Serejai huh 2) Breshke huh 3) Elvis! huh 4) KelsierSC leaver 5) Immaterial huh 8) Batsnacks oh no 9) kushm4sta only decent player signed up 10) Grackaroni fackk 11) FecalFeast incoming headache 12) Superbia don't remember what this guy's like I assume this is a joke i put myself into the mindset of kush. He doesn't know who half of us are because we are new. If he is town how does he not want to be more involved but is happy to just let us do whatever. Look at the tone of his pregame i can't quote it because it is just the general feel of it he seems hyped then D1 starts and nothing. | ||
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On November 05 2014 13:33 sicklucker wrote: I think theres 3 mafia in the 4 who voted + bats. I include bats because if he changed his vote at the last second to Immaterial instead of Serejai then lightning would have survived because Immaterial would of been voted off which would have been alot better then are likely cop. I think the best strategy is to vote out 2 or 3 of them if we hit scum keep going(it will tell us if we hit one right?). If not reevaluate. I disagree here. There is 4 people (including bats) who had their votes on people who weren't possibly getting lynched. I think it is more likely that a majority of mafia is in the group because they would have known that LS was the cop(or dumb VT but not likely). Yeah there was a KSC CC but it was weak in my opinion and i will admit i didn't believe it and yes i still voted on LS. The point is what was the reason for these 4 people to waste their votes it doesn't make sense to me as town. Either they believed LS and vote immaterial to save him or they believed LS was mafia and vote him. As scum however not voting on LS makes them look townier and not voting on Immaterial means they get the cop lynched. | ||
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On November 05 2014 13:53 Grackaroni wrote: It depends a lot on the setup. If it's watcher/cop then scum has a lot of incentive to make sure that LS dies because in that case they can't RB him and will have to sacrifice a player to kill him or let him get checks (watcher is guaranteed to watch LS to check if he is RB'd or not) If it's doc/cop then mafia don't need to lynch LS they can just RB him. I disagree i think it is even better for them if it is watcher/cop. They kill him during the night watcher outs with one of the mafia and they get 2 PRs for one mafia that is a fantastic trade. Yes it is easier for them now that we lynched him but did they need to ensure that the lynch went over? I don't think so i think they get a good deal in every case there unless immaterial is the mafia roleblocker and that lynch got pushed over. | ||
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On November 06 2014 08:01 KelsierSC wrote: Nice was unsure of grak so just read him as town so mafia would shoot him. same reason i called breshke and Elvis mafia. Was hoping mafia would avoid then. I think breshke and Elvis are my top town. Two people that could have saved the cop but didn't? On November 06 2014 07:58 Serejai wrote: Of course I think his play was scummy; that's why I tried to start a lynch on him yesterday, but Grack was the only person to initially agree with me. The whole "hey guys I didn't read thread but I'll vote to lynch cop and come back with a legit reasoning for it soon" crap he pulled last night, and then never came back to explain why he voted to lynch the cop... it doesn't get much more scum than that. Waiting for him to pop in later with some excuse that his internet died or something. As far as I'm concerned he's guilty until proven innocent, and he needs to have a damn good explanation for his vote last night. If you were in his situation would you unvote the cop to kill yourself? Like think in the heat of the moment with those few minutes left would you do that? Also i am not actually convinced he was around at EoD. Also I feel like if he was mafia he would have posted at least one time during the night out of respect for his teammates so he doesn't run the risk of getting modkilled. Don't confuse what I am doing here i think he could very well be scum after reading through his filter his big post here comes off as forced to me but that could also just be a nervous newbie townie. I just think you are rushing into this and not even considering the fact that he very well could be town. Kush on the other hand is the person i would rather lynch today as i can't justify the way he is playing as being town. | ||
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On November 06 2014 08:19 Serejai wrote: Perspective. There are a lot of people guilty for the death of the cop; Bresh, Immaterial, Fecal, and Sentinel for leaving their votes on him. batsnacks for your failed vote change at the end, and bullshit excuse. Kelsier for his massive delay in rescinding his CC. I'd certainly rather vote Immaterial over Kelsier. They were both scummy with the vote but Kelsier could at least justify his if he tried. Immaterial literally jumped in to lynch the cop and claimed he would be back to explain why, but never returned. I'd like to point out that everyone who didn't vote for immaterial is at fault even the people voting for a 3rd party. I would also like to point out that kush posted before and after Eod but failed to change his vote of sentinel who he seemed to vote purely based off the early game comments about the players in the scum team and after reading a case ff wrote which he considered for an entire 3 minutes. | ||
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On November 06 2014 08:33 Breshke wrote: Bats what do you think of immaterial's alignment? So you don't miss it because it was at the bottom of the last page. | ||
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On November 06 2014 09:03 Elvis! wrote: I agree with bats and Bresh here. Why blame people who stayed on the vote etc. and not kelsier for making people change their vote back to the cop? He is the one conceiving people here, let's blame the conceiver and not the conceived. These posts by Serejai would make a lot of sense if he and Kelsier would be a scum team. Kelsier making people vote on the cop, not retrieving his CC in time and having a shitty excuse, Serejai blaming people who followed him but kinda sheeping Kelsier even though his actions were easily a lot more controversial. Where did you get the impression that I agreed with bats? I actually believe serejai is really really townie today so i disagree with you on that. | ||
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On November 06 2014 09:04 batsnacks wrote: I didn't miss it. I don't care about Immaterial or anyone else until KSC is gone. That's not good enough, if you think he is mafia make a proper case. Having a read on one person out of 11 for today isn't going to cut it i don't care how sure you are. | ||
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So let me get this straight. 1.You refuse to expand upon your read on KSC 2.You refuse to read anyone else in the game 3. You want me to vote you and not KSC If you are so sure KSC is mafia it is you duty to convince us. Do you really think stuff like On November 06 2014 08:15 batsnacks wrote: This is absurd. Why are people posting yet I'm the only person voting the person who killed the cop? Are all of you mafia? is going to convince people? | ||
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1. there is a doc, they cant risk putting kp on the cop so they just roleblock him indefinitely for the rest of the game therefore cop is useless. 2. there is a watcher, they kill the cop so watcher outs with one mafia and then they kill the watcher. Thats 2 PR's for one mafia and they even get to choose which mafia is revealed to watcher. Explain to me why KSC as scum does the play he did instead of the two i mentioned above. | ||
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On November 06 2014 09:37 batsnacks wrote: Wtf are you talking about? Are you seriously asking why mafia would want to kill the uncced cop? Your questions make zero sense. No i'm asking why KSC kills the cop during the day instead of just dealing with him at night hence avoiding everyone scum reading him right now. | ||
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So you think if we didn't lynch LS we would have killed mafia? Does that mean you think immaterial was mafia? | ||
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On November 06 2014 09:44 batsnacks wrote: It means if we didn't lynch LS, the uncced cop, that we would have not lynched the cop. You arn't even trying to understand what im saying. Yeah KSC fucked up he made a sub optimal play. The same play i was going to make. He fucked it up in the end and should have rescinded way earlier but town can making mistakes isn't mafia indicative. On November 06 2014 02:46 Grackaroni wrote: I won't be on either, focus on immaterial/Kush when they post tomorrow. I was pressuring Elvis a lot yesterday but I don't think he's scum anymore. Superbia/sentinel are both possibilities Try to look at KSCs play as a whole rather than just the fake claim -I'm pretty sure town fake counter claims more often than scum. Batsnacks vote doesn't matter too much to me. It's not strange reasoning from Serajai but he could have easily not changed votes at all. Look at the bolded bit. I agree KSC fucked up and is partly at fault for the cop dying but you arn't evaluating anything else he has done at all and i don't know if you are mafia or town because of this but im leaning mafia Also i don't see why you refuse to comment on anyone else. If you are so sure KSC is mafia then i think you should be reading immaterial town because would a mafia really put his partner at one vote from being lynched that close to the end of the day. | ||
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On November 06 2014 09:50 Fecalfeast wrote: Watcher watches cop, sees roleblocker. Ive explained this already so this is the last time. Mafia know the setup. so they know if it is a doc or watcher If it was a doctor they just roleblock the cop and use their kill power to hunt the doctor If it was a doctor they get one of the normal mafia to send in the kill power onto the cop and try hit watcher with the roleblock. even if they dont get the watcher with the roleblock the watcher outs the goon that sent the kill power we lynch him then mafia just kills the watcher at night effectively trading in two PR's for one mafia | ||
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On November 06 2014 09:47 batsnacks wrote: Yeah but we would still have a confirmed town. And it would have been really great if lightning was confirmed town because his posts were really scummy. This is true but what im saying is do you think KSC sacrifices himself like this as mafia to stop there being ONE confirmed town who was a newer player who had basically only been sheeping reads. | ||
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On November 06 2014 10:01 batsnacks wrote: I can't find any town motivation for fake ccing cop until 3 minutes before the day ends, resulting in the real cop dying. Nothing you can say is going to change this. If you want reads on someone else, you just need to ask. So you can't see it as KSC fucking up a play as town but you can see it as KSC fucking up a play as mafia? Before you ask what i mean, ive explained how if KSC was mafia he could have handled this situation better by rescinding as his team would still be able to deal with the cop. On November 06 2014 09:04 batsnacks wrote: I didn't miss it. I don't care about Immaterial or anyone else until KSC is gone. I did ask for reads. | ||
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On November 06 2014 10:06 batsnacks wrote: It would appear he sacrificed himself to kill the cop, actually. That is what happened. You really need to understand that if someone claims cop, it's serious. It means they're the cop until they get cced. There is no town motivation for claiming cop to get the real cop lynched. I had my own reasons why i thought it was a good idea but this is a very good point KSC what were you trying to do when you counterclaimed LS? | ||
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On November 06 2014 10:26 Serejai wrote: 28 hours later and we're still waiting for this justification he had for lynching the cop. I agree I expect immaterial to come back to the thread and do his best to portray town and hunt scum. I find it weird that he said he would justify his vote because he admitted to not reading the thread meaning he was going to read him scum no matter what. Serejai do you not think kush is just as bad. He was voting for sentinel with an unjustified vote which also lynched the cop. Yes it wasn't in such a direct way but the end result is still the same. | ||
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On November 06 2014 10:34 sicklucker wrote: I dont think that was a slip but THATS SO SCUMMY why would town ever out are doctor incase no one esle noticed FF isn't a powerrole stop talking about it any scum you try throw on people for this is made redundant as bringing it up again is scummy. | ||
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Serajai you say you want to lynch immaterial because you think that we will get the most information from his flip compared to other people you are scum reading. Could you give me an explanation of what you mean by this, like what will you get if he flips town/what will you get if he flips mafia. Bats your only problem with KSC is that he got the cop lynched and that is yes a big deal but go back and look at the rest of his play. Can you show me what else you think he has done that is scummy? I don't know if immaterial or KSC is scum, im actually lean scum on immaterial and null on KSC waiting for him to come back to the thread and give some insight on his play but there is one thing that is more and more obvious to me and that is that kush is scum As grack said kush doesn't like to play as mafia. In a previous game he has admitted he can't read town filters so it makes it hard for him to portray town because as town that is the main way he gets reads. Is there any evidence this game that kush has gone back and read someones filter to get a read on them? No infact there is exact the opposite. On November 05 2014 05:52 kushm4sta wrote: who was that dude that wwas like I THINK IT MIGHT BE 10/3. we can lynch him right? In both these quotes kush shows that he can not be bothered going back to read the game which is an exact mafia tell of his. He does not care about going back to read peoples filters because he doesn't need to get reads on anyone because he is mafia and has perfect imformation ##Vote: kushm4sta | ||
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He sees LS claim cop to try and get out of a lynch. So as mafia he knows either this is the real cop or a dumb vanilla town trying to save himself. If LS was vanilla town this would be great for KSC he would just sit back and let a shitstorm unleash. KSC then has to think wait this guy could be the real cop. You guys then think that his next action is I better cc this cop so we can lynch him during the day drawing all this attention to myself and probably getting myself lynched tomorrow. Why would KSC as mafia not just deal with LS during the night no one has given any reason for this. That being said I have explained why i don't think the cc came from a mafia mindset but KSC i still want to hear what town mindset it comes from. | ||
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On November 06 2014 12:35 sicklucker wrote: I like your order I might throw Breshke at the end of your list too but if we kill 2 or 3 of them and there town THATS WHEN we hightly consider lynching kesh or other completely new ideas. Im completely clueless on kush and their relationship I only read the first 30 pages once threw when I was told id be replacing for this in an hour and he has not said one word since ive been active. Ill have to reread it all slower then before before this day is over. Also this is a terrible idea you can't jsut choose a lynch order and go down it and only change after "after you hit 2 or 3 towns". Do the math if we misslynch 3 times in a row we lose you need to be reevaluting after every lynch | ||
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I know it doesnt mean mentioning but then i don't get this. like your order I might throw Breshke at the end of your list too but if we kill 2 or 3 of them and there town THATS WHEN we hightly consider lynching kesh or other completely new ideas. Rereading this actually you did say if not we should but idk i don't like this. | ||
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Sicklucker could you read kushes filter (it isnt very long) and then vote him with me. Grack also posted some important things on kushs scum play so that would also be useful for you to read. | ||
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On November 07 2014 06:30 sicklucker wrote: Ya ok I just read it thanks for that filter tip I did not know about it before makes things easier. Going into this I was told hes a very helpful town but a horrible mafia. I dont know about all that so i just go on what people I have town reads on tell me but as an unbiased person this is what I think from the little information hes given us. He comes off to me when he actually seems serious as townie to me. He hard defended not lynching the cop to you off all people. I think your missing this fact he also voted sentinel really fast I highly doubt they are aligned. If sentinels misslynched it makes a little bit of sense to look at him but hes leaning town for me right now and would be a horrible lynch atm. it is seriously worrying me that kush is leaning town for you. On November 05 2014 07:05 kushm4sta wrote: i dont get your reasoning here. he can be proved by a flip or a claim. Very possibly that would have happened before lylo but if it didn't so what. We would still have confirmed scum/town at lylo. You quote this ad being one of the reasons kush was town, I would say the exact opposite. If kush is town why wasn't he explaining this to us before we lynched the cop? He was obviously here as this post came just 5 minutes after the lynch and he hasn't said otherwise. Also you are missing the fact that everyone who didn't vote on immaterial is as much at fault for the cop lynch as the people voting on the cop. The only person i would take off of this list is superbia because i would say his vote was seconds from counting. Show me a post where Kush is trying to figure out the game show me a post where kush gives an in depth read on someone. Not only is this terrible town play but grack has shown us that this is more likely kush's scum meta On November 05 2014 13:19 Grackaroni wrote: Kush is quite bad at playing scum. He used to only be capable of bussing as scum, so if all of Kush's reads were correct you could tell that he had too much information. On November 05 2014 13:37 Grackaroni wrote: here are some funny Kush quotes from an old scum qt I remembered from the TL mafia database. (this is an awesome place to go to if you want to study past games of a player in your game!) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/390080-tl-mafia-database kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted 09-22-2013 02:22 AM ET (US) here is a gift i am going to give to all of you. The gift of a 100% easy and correct way of reading my alignment. I cannot read town filters as scum. I just tried and it's impossible. Too boring! But I do it as my primary scumhunting method as town. kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted 09-21-2013 09:57 AM ET (US) please bus me i want my life to end kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted 09-21-2013 09:38 AM ET (US) im so sad i got scum. everyone has permission to bus the shit out of me kushykushkushPerson was signed in when posted 09-20-2013 10:58 PM ET (US) nah im trash scum and i will bus all of you in the most obvious manner The only possibility that kush is town is if he just does not care about this game at all but considering his hype early game i don't see why there would be such a sudden shift in his mood. | ||
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Also I feel myself agreeing with you on elvis he is currently lean scum for me. My rpoblem here is last game i played with Elvis he was basically tunneled on me for parts of the game where he was alive. I thought his case on me was terrible hence coming to the conclusion that he was mafia. In fact it was just two towns fighting. I am not saying that is whats going on right now but just keep in mind Elvis has done this as town. Also you seem to read people who have become less active after the cop lynch as mafia. Could you explain to me how this is mafia indicative. | ||
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On November 07 2014 08:14 sicklucker wrote: Heres another thought I have. If theres alot of towns in the 4 afks we almost certainly lose anyway there gonna vote wrong if they vote at all and we already have elvis whos going to vote very poorly imo. So I think the better rng play is to go after them and pray? I don't know about this i know right now they are less active but there is still stuff to read them off from the early game. I understand it would be harder for you though as you replaced in after all of it. On November 07 2014 07:52 Serejai wrote: I don't think there's really enough posting done by kush to make a case against him, other than "his scum play is bad and he usually afks when scum". I mean, that's a good reason... I'm just saying he isn't posting enough to really have other reasons against him. I think he's scum but I would lynch him for AFKing sooner than I would lynch him for being scum, if that makes sense. It's hard to come up with multiple different cases against him. As far as reading people who have become less active... not so much. I've been on Elvis all game, and I've been on Immaterial nearly all game. For me, nothing has really changed with either of them. However, for all of the people that thought they were town on Day 1... I'm pointing out that they should reconsider based on how their play, or lack thereof, has changed. For kush I don't think much has changed for me; his play is consistent(ly bad). For Sentinel, he was very active early game and now he's barely around at all now that people want to vote him. Essentially those four people I listed are all acting scummier today than they were yesterday, to varying degrees. Those are the four people I think we should look at lynching today, and focus our efforts on reading and whatnot. I don't think anyone could justify kush's play as town to me therefore I really think he should be the lynch today. I am reading you town serajai so I am going to look further into sentinel because im actually reading him town right now but don't remember why I think it was something to do with his speculation about the mafia team lineup and how this would never come from a mafias perspective. Immaterial not coming back to the thread is worrying but it could also be newbie town seeing that he is in the shiter and not knowing how to get out of it. Elvis iv'e already talked about and agree should be on the lynch list. Kush really should be the lynch today, he has done nothing for town other than ping you out early for your fluff post which you specifically said was something that mafia more likely do. This is who I want to lynch today but i'm going to try look into more people as i'm focusing way too much on kush. That being said i still think you should be changing your vote to kush. | ||
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On November 07 2014 09:05 sicklucker wrote: I thought this was interesting "sometimes he does nothing as town too" Why are you pointing this out? | ||
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On November 05 2014 05:45 Immaterial wrote: ##vote LightningStrikes Insanely busy at work, I have to vote without catching up on the thread at all. I promise to justify the vote tonight, but I'll be here ntil late Just want to point this out for you bats but i think his vote was like 75 minutes before deadline and this was still when KSC was a cc. It also feels that he is saying he isn't going to be around until later. I am also coming around to KSC being scum because he hasn't done anything today. even though there is more people to blame today than just him he was a big part in lynching the cop yesterday so you'd think as a town he would be hunting scum today to try make up for it but so far most of what he has done is just respond to my questions. I still think Kush is a priority for today though. | ||
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On November 07 2014 09:13 batsnacks wrote: I think it's relevant considering kush is doing nothing. I don't see what conclusions you can make from it though. Should we not lynch him because he is maybe town doing nothing? I'm not going to leave kush around if he is doing nothing as town, he either starts being town and helping town actually play the game or he gets lynched. | ||
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On November 07 2014 09:20 sicklucker wrote: because you used another quote to put scum on me and this says the opposite could be true. Dont get me wrong kush is on my extended lynch list above you. He has contributed nothing. I just dont think hes leaned one way or another hes null for me after just going through gracks filter who seems to be the only one who had much of a read on him. Is doing nothing, not giving reads not trying to find mafia more of a town trait or mafia trait? | ||
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People were being scum read because they were just flowing wagons without reasoning (superbia wagon earlier in the day). So he probably didn't want to be scumread by just voting and being like yeah this is a good idea. Not saying he is town because this can easily be from a mafias point of view. Bats if you couldn't lynch KSC today who would you be lynching? | ||
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On November 07 2014 11:29 batsnacks wrote: I like how many words he wrote mostly. That is a lot of words. I thought so haha. I bet you also saw the part where he thinks KSC is mafia. Do you actually agree with anything else he wrote? I actually am happy you wrote your case elvis and want to say after my first read this reminds me of our last game which you were town. As for the actual reads I want to actually spend time thinking about it because you obviously spent some time writing it. | ||
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On November 07 2014 11:30 kushm4sta wrote: wait no let me vote for someone who i actually thought was scummy ##Unvote ##vote [UON]sentinel Is thismstill your readm from the very start of the game? | ||
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On November 05 2014 13:07 sicklucker wrote: elvis drop this its not productive and your not gonna convince anyone because your going against the logic of thousands of mafia games. Theres also this. Theres a 66% chance that there is a town watcher in the game heres a description of this role Every night, you may choose a player other than yourself to watch. You will learn the names of every player that visits your target the same night. You win with the town. So all the town has to do is keep checking him and when hes role blocked or killed we know who it is and we get a 1 for 1 trade (they cant leave a confirmed cop in the game) no matter what unless they fake claim cop or something crazy. This is my first mafia game and I noticed this so im sure everyone has figured it out I know Breshke already said the same thing indirectly about his horrible vote. Anyway move on. Think im gonna head to bed found it, i was agreeing on mechanics not reads | ||
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On November 07 2014 12:07 Elvis! wrote: well if you say you agree 100% I kinda think you agree with everything up until that point am I wrong? No i agree with his last post not everything he says. Do you not believe me when i say that? | ||
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On November 07 2014 12:14 Elvis! wrote: (There's a hefty discussion going on in the scum QT I assume, since there's easy questions and noone answers) what questions? | ||
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On November 07 2014 14:55 kushm4sta wrote: dun lynch me bros Also I think it is very dangerous for people to think that mafia is all aligning at this stage (agreeing on all reads and stuff) This gets in heavy WIFOM territory but at least one of the three would try and put them self on a different side to the other two in my opinion. Also when i bring up grack i am not saying everything he said was 100% right but you need to take his reads and opinions into account. He is confirmed town now so we know he was coming from a town perspective we can't just forget everything he said. | ||
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On November 07 2014 21:52 Serejai wrote: Immaterial is really bothering me. On one hand I think he's scum and want to lynch him. On the other hand he's going to be modkilled, so that would be a wasted lynch. Or is he? Maybe he is scum and he's going to be replaced instead of modkilled, in which case the game would pretty much be over because we would have just let a very obvious scum live two days in a row for no good reason. There's also the chance that he decides to show up 5 minutes before voting ends to cast his vote, in which case that kind of solidifies he's scum but it would be too late for us to do anything about it at that point. I don't know if you are just confused or purposly getting facts wrong to try fear monger. Not lynching imma even if he is scum doesn't mean the game is "preatty much over". If we lynch a town then at the start of D3 it will be 6 town to 3 mafia which is no where close to over. Also when we lynch kush today i'm fairly sure we hit a mafia anyway. | ||
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On November 08 2014 04:51 Superbia wrote: Neither you nor Serejai are getting lynched today. Kelsier is getting lynched today. Kush should start doing shit tomorrow or he should have himself get MKed or replaced. Imma should get MKed or replaced. Elvis town. Serejai town. sicklucker leaning scum. The fact that I can't resonate with the logic behind his posts makes it incredibly hard for me to read him at this point in time. Seems very fixated on claiming town and being read town, which is why I'm reading him as possible scum. batsnacks maybe town. Confirmed town if Kelsier flips scum. Sentinel still scum. Scum read him d1, since then he has: 1. lynched the cop. 2. done nothing. Lynch for tomorrow. FecalFeast still leaning scum. Hasn't really done much today except change vote from kelsier to a lurker (kush), which does not hold up well if kelsier ends up flipping scum. Why the fuck are you going after a lurker again on d2? No information to be gained from the lynch, no real reason behind the lynch, easy target. Priority target (alongside Sentinel) if kelsier flips scum. Breshke leaning scum. Pushes on lurker (kush), which is scummy for the reasons described under FF. This post is also scummy or at best donkey town: Let me get this straight: it's revealed that cop is being lynched a few minutes before EoD and the right number of people don't move their votes, so the cop ends up dying. Do you think this is fucking random or something? Scum had so much to gain from that lynch. Analyzing the votes is the way to gain information, especially in this case. For sure there was scum on LS. For sure there was scum who did not change their votes (in time). Guess what? You were among those who had their votes on LS in the end. This combined with the fact that you're basically telling us "not to analyze the votes too much" is pretty fucking scummy. Your tunnel on kush today is also a waste of time because we have essentially no information regarding kush. Yes basing your read ENTIRELY on the vote is stupid as fuck. Vote logic is one part of the game you should be getting scumreads from peoples interactions and using vote logic to back it up. Also i know iw as in the group that lynched the cop idc but everyone who didn't vote immaterial as aswell so i was trying to show if you are going to use vote logic you have to use it on these people aswell. So you would like to give kush another free pass for nor eason. I've actually given reasons why kush is scum if you actuallly cared to read them. He isn't just lurking though he is posting enough to not get himself modkilled or replaced if we don't lynch him today i don't see why we don't jsut give him a pass for the rest of the fucking game. See how the excuse only comes when he is about to get lynched, yeah convenient. | ||
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On November 08 2014 05:09 Superbia wrote: This is the massive problem with leaving Kelsier alive. We don't know for sure if he's a correct lynch, but he's going to be an easy lynch for the rest of the game. His presence will FUCK US UP during MYLO/LYLO. I'm not convinced that sicklucker will flip scum. Moreover, we get very little information from his lynch, because he has been in the game for essentially 1 day. Moreover, he was not part of the votes yesterday, which gives us even less information. Not the correct lynch. Lynch should be Kelsier. how isnt kush an easy lynch for the rest of the game? This is ridiculous. | ||
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On November 08 2014 05:10 Elvis! wrote: But Breshke is he hurting town atm? Why not lynch him later, we can't lynch them all at once? Also what do you think about his excuse OR him being lazy town OR him being lurking town OR him being lazy PR OR him being lurking PR. Don't you feel the possibility of a mislynch is too high? Ye he is hurting town because he has a vote which is going to be used retardedly. Excuses are wifom and they only came when he had to give them which isn't townie its mafia I find it hard to consider him lazy town when pregame he seemed so hyped to play. I don't know how lurking town is a thing? This should only be for new players how is lurking town ever useful? If he was PR he would be at least slightly invested into this game. | ||
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On November 08 2014 05:10 sicklucker wrote: Bresh what do you think of a scum team of kush Serejai + one. Who would your one be? I just woke up and its like 6:30am i can't logically think this right now. Superbias. hard defense after doing nothing all day is weird though. | ||
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On November 08 2014 05:18 Superbia wrote: I'm honestly expecting him to be replaced if he doesn't become more active. Also lurkers come out of their shells when the players reduce because there is no way to hide. You can't lurk yourself to victory regardless of alignment. It's a losing strategy for either alignment. I don't think kush is someone who needs to come out of his shell though. My problem is now that i dont think there will be a replacement for imma which means there is only one more lynch after today. Kush is poasting "enough" to not get modkilled. | ||
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On November 08 2014 05:15 Elvis! wrote: Breshke and Superbia: Both your targets have barely posted. Both of them are easy lynches later on. Both of them don't hurt town atm and are less likely to hurt town than sicklucker. Please let us lynch sicklucker, a person where you should look at his filter again, try to find out his alignment and then decide. We can discuss in which order we lynch KSC/kush tomorrow and see if they were just lurking. No Elvis lurking does hurt town especially as an experianced player. Not giving your inisght into the game directly hurts town if you are town because you arn't hunting scum. | ||
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On November 08 2014 05:20 Elvis! wrote: He might just be agree with me because he wants to pocket me. He also posted earlier "wagons are fun", which might be the point in time where he decided to bus his scum mate. I won't have his posts influence my vote. If he wants to bus his teammate, he can. So atm I read him leaning scum. I am reading you town elvis but this is my problem with a lot of your cases and what my problem with you last game was. You make outlandish claims and also like to guess what other people are doing. You then fully commit to this world and show almost 0 signs of reevaluating. This is not me saying your reads are wrong, ill have a look at sickluckers filter. | ||
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On November 07 2014 10:46 sicklucker wrote: I dont think I should pick being interjected into this game late. If you put me on the spot Ksc because hes representing one pov vs sent or imma. Maybe even elvis or kush so Its not a huge landslide and gets more interesting info. But I feel like im just finding maybe mafias Im having a real hard time finding anyone I see who are very likely mafia which might just mean its the obvious people. On November 07 2014 10:53 sicklucker wrote: Lol I knew elvis was gonna scum read me hard. He soft scumed me earlier and I think he was the only one to do so the entire game so far and he seems to just go after whoever targets him. So Elvis these are a few things that stuck out to me. The firs quote sicklucker makes very non committal reads and he does that quite often which is a mafia trait but he is also a newbie who replaced into a game so i could see it from the point of view that yeah he didn't really know whats going on etc. On November 07 2014 13:43 sicklucker wrote: So thats what 95% looks like eh lol. Im like 50% at most on anyone at this point Then there is stuff like this and other posts and arnt quoted because I cant be botherd where sicklucker attacks elvis's case on him with the logic that he cant be scum because serejai and him arnt aligned. Which is a weird road to take because it feels like a scum being annoyed that he was called scum for the wrong reasons. I'm finding it so hard to get past kush though, if he was town why didn't he just get replaced out when he knew he would be busy i just can't wrap my head around it at the moment. | ||
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On November 08 2014 05:39 kushm4sta wrote: YO SEREJAI IS A FEMALE NOT MALE. She said so in the qt. If you are town I am so done | ||
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On November 08 2014 06:02 Elvis! wrote: Breshke and Superbia: Do you want this guy to be alive at LYLO/MYLO, let alone at any point in the game? Is he not distracting everyone? Is he not seething chaos? Is he helping town? You need to reconsider your read on serejai and sicklucker both being mafia. I'm not happy with you just saying offhandly being like yeah they are bussing. You arn't trying to work out the game this is what i mean by you are not reevaluating. Also don't start your chaos thing again because you used that on me last game and it was wrong. How is he distracting everyone? also all your reasons can be applied to kush | ||
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On November 08 2014 06:20 batsnacks wrote: Oh yeah I forgot ##vote KelsierSC I think you need to unvote first because you have deffs done this already. | ||
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On one hand KSC made a shit play of that cc but before that i thought he was town. He hasn't done anything today though which doesn't help him at all. Then we have sicklucker who has only been in the game for almost half the time as everyone else so there is less stuff to read him off. I do find his non committal reads, all his PR talk and his defense (not fighting the fact he is scummy but fighting the fact that him and sera cant be mafia partners) also scummy. As i wasted so much of my time on kush I really don't know which way to go here because I don't like either of them but at least sicklucker is engaging the thread. Also i think the lynch on KSC gives more info. ##Unvote ##Vote KelsierSC | ||
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On November 08 2014 06:46 Elvis! wrote: Bresh how does KSC dieing give more info? He hasn't posted in ages, so he basically is in this thread as long as sicklucker. How does lynching sicklucker give more info? I want to be lynching kush today, I don't know about these guys and im of oppisite opinion to you im not giving lurkers a free pass until mylo | ||
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On November 08 2014 06:48 Breshke wrote: How does lynching sicklucker give more info? I want to be lynching kush today, I don't know about these guys and im of oppisite opinion to you im not giving lurkers a free pass until mylo Also i mean KSC was around for more events than sicklucker so his view on these events can be analysed. | ||
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On November 08 2014 06:51 sicklucker wrote: Im at a mindset due to peoples inactivety that if I cant contribute going forward people were screwed This feels like something a town would say | ||
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On November 08 2014 06:58 Fecalfeast wrote: would shennannie onto kush if others are here YEs | ||
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I also think bats is really towny because he had every right to vote on KSC and stick to it because that was his mindset all day. He could have stayed on KSC and noone would have thought the wiser. I don't think much of sicklukers vote because of the fact that he did it to save himself so could therefore be roleblocker or w/e but that is pure speculation. Also i don't know what to think about ff but his intent seemed to be there. My town circle is getting fairly large and it will be great to see what the new guys have but replacing into a 76 page game is going to be rough. | ||
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On November 08 2014 07:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: Breskhe if tou're town look into other rhings than sl. Him and elvis were dudes pushing the thread forwards at the end of d2. Did they wanna save kush? Like rly... if not, they are not scum. If yes, why? Yeah I am reading elvis town because yeah he didn't want to vote for kush and defended him but thats because he was trying to push his own read who he really really thought was scum. Sl i have no idea and he is doing some weird bickering stuff right now but ill let it slide as you advise. I've got a fairly big town circle right now (could just be being a donkey) and superbia and sentinal are two people that are out of it. If Kush's scum meta is on point sentinal is probs mafia | ||
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On November 08 2014 07:33 batsnacks wrote: If anyone else got roleblocked last night now is the time to speak up. Otherwise jasmine is confirmed town. sere is like most likely town if she doesnt get cc'd for roleblocked but there is a chance they roleblock a partner to make them look town. This is obviously really risky and i think im town reading sere anyway. | ||
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Superbia and kush both voted on sentinel. While it is obviously easy for mafia to vote their partners i don't think both mafia stack on one of their partners. I don't think mafia stacks together outside of the main wagons in fact. Also i think its likely that sl, elvis and serejai are all town. | ||
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On November 08 2014 08:07 Serejai wrote: I'm glad you're starting from scratch, but as the only confirmed town in this game I'm still voting to lynch you. you arn't 100% confirmed, mafia can roleblock another mafia. As we killed the cop D1 this is a little more likely (still probs unlikely) than usual | ||
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On November 08 2014 08:26 Superbia wrote: I didn't think your case was good, pre-game is pretty OGI and doesn't have to mean anything. I'm a bit sour nobody listened, but at least we hit. Obi (Kelsier) is still the lynch for tomorrow as it stands. I don't think it is OGI its like using meta reads. | ||
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On November 08 2014 08:39 Serejai wrote: Breshke and sicklucker scum, bussed kush to save sicklucker since kush was inactive anyway. I DID IT GUYS. I SOLVED THE GAME. Do you actually read the game KSC would have been lynched not sicklucker. Can you actually think about what you write before you post it. | ||
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On November 08 2014 09:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Can you guys read what i write and comment on it? Comments? I agree on sentinel although i don't think it is superbia aswell. Look at the final D1 vote does two mafia stack on another. This is my only reason right now though. | ||
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On November 08 2014 09:24 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Holy shit how did you guys lynch the cop day 1? I'm dumb | ||
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Let me preface this with the fact that i agree that sentinel is most likely mafia and i will be voting him today. I think it is highly likely that kush bussed considering what we know about his scum meta. Vote Count Serejai (1): Elvis!, batsnacks [UoN]Sentinel (2): Superbia, kushm4sta LightningStrike (4): Breshke, Immaterial, [UoN]Sentinel, FecalFeast Immaterial (4): Grackaroni, Serejai, LightningStrike, KSC Not Voting (1): Cricketer12 Currently, LightningStrike is set to be lynched. Day 1 ends in 0m 0s at 08:30 ACST (+10:30). Reminder to make sure to unvote before voting, if you have already voted someone. Remember, voting is Mandatory. You may NOT abstain. Look at the final day one vote. If you are to believe that superbia and sentinel and kush is the xcum team you need to think that 2 mafia voted together on their partner for day 1. Why would they have done this when, if you are town, both wagons were on town because you are immaterial. Yeah voting on a town looks bad once the vote flips but why would they allighn themselves so closely. I think if sentinel flips mafia superbia is most likely town. | ||
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Fecal makes this case On November 04 2014 12:05 Fecalfeast wrote: I agree with superbia in saying that a good town wouldn't take this contract if he thought it was serious. After signing up for the tunnel, he starts to talk about game setup and host-based WIFOM rather than talking about what the superbia post really means. At this point the superbia post has been beat to death and then beat some more but at the time of this post the only other comment on it was batsnacks' vote. Even after batsnacks less-than-subtly points out why the speculation is useless sentinel continues to talk about host-based wifom. It's not until I explain that BH wouldn't offend the RNG gods that he reconsiders yet leaves in "I stand by my practice of rigging games." Not to sound nitpicky but that seems like a trolly leave-behind to get people talking about RNG-rigging rather than the game at hand. Now let's look at his actions after the fabled tunneling professional returns. I'm going to be quoting from this post Well, here's the first person to incorporate super's logic in his case. Come at me, brother. So elvis looks scummy for wasting town's time talking about someone he thinks is unimportant? What about wasting town's time talking about game setup information that can never be confirmed, is that scummy? Then this post. let's look at the timestamps of elvis' posts you quoted in the spoiler. You're making him seem like he's trying to derail discussion multiple seperate times yet all the posts you quote are from a 7-minute period of time. Your logic only follows if people perpetuated the discussion because of elvis and, to be honest, the only person to do that is you. Kush wants to vote on sentinel at EoD1 He gets linked ff's case and after just 3 minutes (which he got inged out for because there was no way he read it all.) On November 05 2014 06:00 kushm4sta wrote: good case. scummy misrep on elvis. ##unvote ##vote sentinal So kush and ff would have basically been trying to bury their partner at EoD1 and gotten him lynched. I feel like im making too many associative reads though. | ||
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On November 09 2014 07:30 sicklucker wrote: Imma? Im told the replacement can be a really good mafia player so im not ruling it out and theres 0 other mafia teams in my mind that dont involve one of the new players. But hes been such a good town and making insanely accurate observations. I think if we mis today we can look at other ideas like this but I think sent or ff have to be lynched today. I dont like how sent came on just now, its like he came on last minute to put in his night actions then left again. I think lynching ff could make more sense because he fits into a few more circles in my mind. What circles does ff fit into? | ||
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Sent/one of the new guys - Mafia Other than sent im not actually sure I havn't thought about it that much and the only reason it isn't you or superbia is because I don't think you guys are with sentinel. Also I give you a certain amount of town cred because without On November 08 2014 06:58 Fecalfeast wrote: would shennannie onto kush if others are here I don't think kush would have been lynched. | ||
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On November 09 2014 14:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote: How is it that you came to the conclusion that Sentinel and either me/rayn are mafia? Both of us want to kill him, so this means that you think one of us is bussing him because unicorns. I don't think it is sentinel and fecal/superbia because of reasons ive already said and im reading everyone else town in this order of decreasing townness (serejai bats Elvis Sl0. If sentinel isn't scum then ill actually need to look back at stuff for fecal and superbia because they could easily be a scum team. I have no idea about you and rayn because rayn has started really strong and my gut read on you obi is that you are town because i think you would be trying harder if you got replaced in as mafia but you've probs replaced in as town and considering we just lynched mafia and there was a doc save you dont feel like you need to. I also find it hard to read your allighnments by trying to take into account what i thought of the people you replaced because that feels wrong. So i only have you and raynthere because of no reasons. I could easily be wrong on someone especially fecal and superbia. | ||
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This then leaves me with serejai, elvis, obi, sl, and rayn. Serejai basically confirmed town i don't think they waste their roleblock two nights in a row on a partner especially when they seemingly tried to kill someone last night who was a high priority medic save. Elvis and Sl i have been reading town with sl as a weaker read than Elvis. So that leaves me with you and rayn, yes i think you have both come off townie but i think both of you have the ability to do that as mafia so if im wrong on anyone which i obviously have to be i think it could easily be you or rayn. This is just a gut feeling though so im not puting that much weight into that read which is the impression i thought i gave after i said it. | ||
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On November 09 2014 16:29 sicklucker wrote: SO brekes I see where your at and im at a similar spot. Theres only one solution to solve all of your fears. lynch FF. If one of the new guys are mafia ff is almost certainly with them because they are pushing sent. If ff and superbia are a team as you believe is possible if you lynch ff you solve that problem too. And if its sent kush+ 1 ff is also the most likely scum. I feel lynching ff is a 100% win percentage while lynching sent is probably only like 80 Where did you get these percents from? Why do you think ff is scummier than sent? Also why are you jumping on a read that I said was basically just a gut feeling? I could easily be just as wrong on you or anyone else other than serejai. | ||
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I get that you want to lynch ff because you think he is in more worlds but im here to lynch scum not to lynch whoever fits into the most scum teams. | ||
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On November 09 2014 17:53 sicklucker wrote: Sent is not a newb hes hosting another mafia game. Hes so dejected from this game he only logs on to do night actions not even to change his votes, hes just given up Ok now tell me why we should lynch ff instead of the guy you think is scum that has given up | ||
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Here's the problem ff, i don't really know about sl im more inclined to think that he is just new town i don't know. He seemingly wants to lynch you for information when for one i don't know why your lynch gives us so much more info and two its better to lynch scum than to try and lynch for information. Also the last quote that you put for his case on you really bugs me. SO brekes I see where your at and im at a similar spot. Theres only one solution to solve all of your fears. lynch FF. If one of the new guys are mafia ff is almost certainly with them because they are pushing sent. If ff and superbia are a team as you believe is possible if you lynch ff you solve that problem too. And if its sent kush+ 1 ff is also the most likely scum. So he says that because i suspect the replacements i should want to lynch you because you could be in a team with them . Did you actually read my post SL? I respect the replacements because i was looking for a partner for sentinel. You are assuming sentinel is town if ff is with obi/rayn so that then means my read is out the window and i don't agree with you. You are getting frustrated like we arn't listening to you sl but you need to explain stuff and actually read our posts as well if you want to convince people. | ||
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On November 09 2014 18:13 Fecalfeast wrote: If it really gives you that much information somehow to kill me, do it. I've never been killed in 6 games of mafia, this one being my 7th so I don't really mind. I'm VT but we can spare another town if it really gives you so much info that you figure the game out from it. Don't write stuff like this, town should never want to die its never good to die for "information" | ||
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On November 09 2014 18:07 sicklucker wrote: Everyone has said the last two scum are probably ff and sent. So to me it didnt matter the order. Ive said many many times I think its better to vote out ff just for the fact the unknowns in this game all want sent gone and not ff . I also think if theres two potential people to vote on we GAIN INFORMATION from who votes where. Ive said this so many times. I've actually wrote that i have reasons to think sent and ff isn't a team | ||
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On November 09 2014 18:16 Fecalfeast wrote: I agree I was being facetious I guess that's hard to do over the internet. can I add /f to that post? haha sorry i thought you were getting all melodramatic on us | ||
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Ive given my opinion on the matter i don't think ff and sentinel are a team. Yes ff could be scum with anyone else but I think sentinel is mafia and until shown otherwise or someone has a better case than the case on sentinel i will be voting for him | ||
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On November 09 2014 06:51 Breshke wrote: Okay the interaction wasn't as big a deal as i thought it was Fecal makes this case Kush wants to vote on sentinel at EoD1 He gets linked ff's case and after just 3 minutes (which he got inged out for because there was no way he read it all.) So kush and ff would have basically been trying to bury their partner at EoD1 and gotten him lynched. I feel like im making too many associative reads though. This isn't like they can not be a team 100 percent i just think it isn't likely because obviously mafia can buss. I shouldn't be confirmed town to you, you can think im really town but dont just blindly sheep my reads. | ||
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On November 10 2014 07:50 Elvis! wrote: Bresh nope. Give me a good reason to believe him, he's around null for me atm. If someone else was roleblocked do you not think they would say? Because then serejai is obviously lying and is most likely mafia? Do you not agree so therefore by the lack of CC she is telling the truth right? Like whether she is mafia or town she was roleblocked yes? | ||
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On November 10 2014 08:05 Superbia wrote: Like I'm not going to live in a world where mafia doesn't shoot. Taken from the OP Mafia Goon Every night, the mafia team must choose a player to kill, and a team member to perform the kill. I don't think mafia can no kill | ||
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On November 10 2014 08:07 Elvis! wrote: So there is a couple of cases where I don't agree: Since they don't want a confirmed townie, they blocked someone else the second night, thus his claim is wrong. They blocked themselves 2 times which you already pointed out. Since a lot of people (me included) haven't been particularily clever this game, someone might not out themselves being blocked in fear of getting lynched. As Serejai posted they could have not shot for whatever reason. So medic could have been blocked, and medic doesn't wanna out before lategame because he's gonna get killed if he does. This is the same reason why I think bats outing of being medic is either really stupid or wrong (could still be town or mafia). Like if he's mafia, the real medic wouldn't cc, since claiming medic is retarded before endgame. I'm not saying this is a lot of propability. But it's not 100% and there could be mafia strategy behind it. I don't think you are thinking about this right elvis. If they blocked someone else the second night where is the CC? Also yes ive pointed out they could block themselves twice but did you actually read that post. If bats is telling the truth or even if he isn't mafia obviously went for a kill which was a high priority medic save. Why would they run the risk of letting the medic get a save. They wouldn't use their roleblock twice on themselves. I really believe they thought serejai was medic because grack was easily who i thought was going to be medic saved N1 so they probably thought they stopped serejai from healing him. Why would you get lynched for saying you were blocked? This is a terrible mindset you are thinking more about your own survival than giving town the information they need to win Also from what the Op says i don't think they can no kill. So for you to believe that serejai isnt town you need to think mafia is willing to waste their roleblock two nights in a row and are willing to try and kill a high priority target who was likely to be medic saved. | ||
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On November 10 2014 08:29 Elvis! wrote: Just a thing to think about: Night one, mafia blocks serejai and someone else kills grack, the medic tried saving someone else. Night two, mafia blocks serejai who was gonna perform a kill. Now the mafia serejai would be confirmed town and isn't gonna die like... ever? They lose a kill and gain at least one confirmed town. Now a different one: bats is mafia and claims doctor. Mafia roleblocks them selves night two. The doctor doesn't cc, since if he cc's later he can save people first and still kill a confirmed mafia later, when maybe there is only 1 mafia left. Meanwhile, mafia has a confirmed town all the while and might convince people that the cc at the end isn't correct. both these scenarios aren't likely, but they can be true and would be a strategy mafia could do. Obviously there is a lot of WIFOM in this. This just justifies why people aren't 100% confirmed for me, since I want people to take me seriously because what I'm posting isn't stupid, it's just scenarios that prove they're not 100%. In my mind, getting a confirmed town as mafia is a thing they really really want to have. Scenario 1 I think this is possible but not likely. It makes sense to me that they roleblocked serejai night one because she like grack was someone who didn't lynch the cop. It also makes sense that they thought she was medic because im suprised the real medic didnt try save grack. The second one is bad in my opinion. So you think bats and serejai are the two mafia left? Why wouldn't the doctor cc? What if they die in the night they lose us 2 confirmed town (themselves and who they saved) Also in their eyes serejai is confirmed mafia. So we lynch serejai and then there is only one mafia left, even without a medic i think that is a great situation and don't see why they would CC. | ||
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So if sentinel is mafia who do you think his partner is? If sentinel flips town who do you think is mafia? | ||
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On November 10 2014 15:13 Fecalfeast wrote: If sentinel flips mafia I think it's sicklucker If sentinel flips town I'm gonna have to go with sicklucker. In the second scenario as unlikely as this seems who else do you think is mafia? | ||
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On November 10 2014 18:05 [UoN]Sentinel wrote: Don't ask questions you don't want to know the answer to I see | ||
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On November 11 2014 08:11 Superbia wrote: Okay. I think FF may actually be town here: 1. I don't think Sent would have gone down like that if the last mafia was on everyone's (?) hit list. 2. I think FF would've conceded at this point in time. So would you be happy moving ff to the town in rayns list and then lynching you, obi and elvis? | ||
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On November 11 2014 08:21 batsnacks wrote: I think we should look at who else kush attempted to push. I think it's serejai who is confirmed unless she can roleblock herself or if she role blocked partners and they let her claim but once again i don't think that is the case. I don't know if it counts as a push but he pointed out a few of my posts that he had a problem with but im town. Also i don't know if he buses his roleblocker. | ||
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On November 11 2014 08:25 batsnacks wrote: What do you think your scummiest post is breshke? Not sure, i did townread sentinel for his "mafia team probably consists of" post. I also said i was fine lynching the cop even thought i didn't believe KSC was real so there is probably a post somewhere about those that's scummy but i can't be botherd to filter dive myself for it. | ||
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I've said this already. I didn't believe KSC counterclaim was real but I didn't think LS was real because of how bad his claim and play had been. I won't be making that mistake again you don't lynch un cc'd cops no matter how little you believe them. | ||
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On November 11 2014 08:29 Superbia wrote: There was a question earlier about whether kush getting bussed himself is something he advocates. Has this been answered? Who do you think bussed him? | ||
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So as mafia you wouldn't kill rayn because he is the only person reading you town. Therefore if someone else dies it is probably you who is mafia Therefore as mafia why wouldn't you kill rayn so people don't think you are mafia. Understand? | ||
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On November 12 2014 08:30 sicklucker wrote: If i was mafia I would never make a big deal about rayn being killed clearing me then not killing him. Mission accomplished. Or you would do exactly that to make people think you look town? See how this doesn't help at all like you are worrying about how the night kills will implicate you so much and it just makes you look bad. I was coming tot he same conclusion you did just then but I don't like the fact you brought it up, stop trying to confirm yourself as town and talk about mroe useful things. Do you like rayns list? do you like the order? | ||
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On November 12 2014 09:07 sicklucker wrote: SO the fact that bats was the kill and not rayn means this. 1. The mafia is bad and doesint know that the medic is useless since he can roleblock him every round. 2. Someones fucking with us thats not on rayns radar. The only person that could be is obiwan So that doesint really tell us much. but what this does tell thats very important is this. Superbia is #1 on rayns lynch list if hes mafia hes not bad enough to leave him in the game. I dont want to lynch superbia today I want to lynch ff or obiwan, maybe even elvis No you are wrong here. First of all how do you know superbia was role blocked. How do you know bats wasn't killed and roleblocked. And scum superbia just comes out with this to make us doubt him as mafia. Ok say if you were on rayns radar and you kill rayn. By your logic everyone will be like omg omg rayn was right lets lynch everyone he said. Why wouldnt you then not kill rayn to get townread? Do you see how everything you say can be from a mafia or town perspective seriously stop. Also why does it have to be obi and not me or you? We both arn't on rayns radar nor are we confirmed town. Like in one post you say you arnt mafia because rayn didnt die On November 12 2014 08:30 sicklucker wrote: If i was mafia I would never make a big deal about rayn being killed clearing me then not killing him. Mission accomplished. And then in another post (the first quote) you say people not on his radar are probs mafia. | ||
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On November 12 2014 09:22 sicklucker wrote: breske I dont all im saying is superbia gains nothing from that scenario so he should move down in are vote list. Thats all im saying How does he gain nothing if its made you move him down in your vote list???????? That's gaining something! The nightkill and roleblock are terrible sources of information stop trying to use them. | ||
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On November 11 2014 08:53 Superbia wrote: I had you and bats town for pushing over the vote. Am reconsidering you. On November 11 2014 08:54 Superbia wrote: Eh, I'll do it tomorrow. Off for now. Did you end up doing this? | ||
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On November 12 2014 10:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Not a clue. I'm not lynching you or SL, that's for certain. So do you not think serejai is town? | ||
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Where did you get these "towny reads" from on superbia? Do you think it is alignment indicative to tunnel on someone all game and then be inactive if so why? Could you list ff, obi superbia and elvis into the order you want to lynch them. (obviously the last one in the list you should be reading most town as we only have 3 lynches) | ||
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We switched votes literally the last second to kill kush, you would remember this ff because you played a big part. Do you really think kush or sentinel were even around to hammer SL. Sentinel might have been but him switching would have basically implicated him when he hadn't been getting pushed that hard from what i remember. Kush couldn't have hammered as votes would have been equal. Also i don't think they put themselves that far out there just to save their roleblocker because (now this is just a pure guess) they thought they had the medic in serejai as indicated by the second roleblock. Not sure if this makes sense | ||
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On November 12 2014 15:00 sicklucker wrote: Dont forget that the roleblocker is still blocking people not named bats. Its like he didnt bother reading the rules and is still looking for roles. How do you know he didn't role block bats? | ||
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On November 12 2014 16:14 sicklucker wrote: super claimed roleblock. Take that for what its worth Yeah i know but it doesn't really matter weather you believe him or not here really. Don't try and find a mafia with the logic of the role block because you don't know if super was actually blocked. | ||
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About this vote logic there is a misunderstanding that Kush could hammer you (SL) which is false because the vote ended with kush having one more than you so you would have been tied and kush reached the number of votes first meaning he would have still been lynched. Like honestly i don't think that vote can be used to incriminate SL. FF think of it from your point of view, did you have enough time to switch your vote onto kush after saying you would? It didn't seem like you did so do you think sentinel even if he was around could have given logic as to why he would vote SL over kush (who he had been pushing on). No I don't think he could have it would have just made them both obvious mafia if that was the case. | ||
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On November 12 2014 16:27 sicklucker wrote: "Take that for what its worth" "Take that for what its worth" "Take that for what its worth" Yeah and im saying it's almost worth nothing because we can't confirm anything. | ||
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On November 12 2014 16:35 sicklucker wrote: No shit you asked.I just mentioned it because the mafia is trolling or didnt read the rules becase I thought that was funny not because I think it helps the game. You don't know that's the reason though. Maybe thats what mafia just wants you to think to bias your reads so you think its a newer player like Elvis. I'm not saying this is whats happening but you don't know either way and it worrys me that this stuff that shouldn't be affecting your reads is. | ||
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On November 12 2014 08:23 Elvis! wrote: Well bats didn't lie. Serejai why did you softclaim doctor? Sicklucker why did you shoot batsnacks? So Elvis thinks that serejai has been soft claiming doctor. I'm not sure when Elvis is reffering too and if he could clarify that could be great. Serejai has however said random stuff like On November 08 2014 10:08 Serejai wrote: Who should I heal? This could be what he is talking about. So whatever post he is referring to you have to assume that he believes serejai was soft claiming because why else would he ask this question. Serejai was role blocked twice because the mafia believed she was the medic. No one else has shown any indication that they believed serejai to be the medic until Elvis with that post. Also if we look at Elvis's vote on D1 i believe it also indicates that elvis is mafia Vote Count Serejai (1): Elvis!, batsnacks [UoN]Sentinel (2): Superbia, kushm4sta LightningStrike (4): Breshke, Immaterial, [UoN]Sentinel, FecalFeast Immaterial (4): Grackaroni, Serejai, LightningStrike, KSC Not Voting (1): Cricketer12 This is the D1 vote. We now know that the two main wagons LS and Immaterial(rayn) are both town. Mafia had no need to push either of these wagons because they were both town. I think that a majority of mafia is more likely to vote outside of the wagons as no matter which person gets lynched they can not be blamed for lynching a town. ##Unvote ##Vote:Elvis! I really think this game ends with superbia or elvis i just keep flipping between who I want first. | ||
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On November 08 2014 06:58 Fecalfeast wrote: would shennannie onto kush if others are here This post happened just two minutes before the deadline and i believe it was either Kelsier(obi) or Sl set to be lynched. Town was happy with these lynches as hardly anyone seemed keen to vote on kush that day other than myself. This post from ff sparked bats to change his vote which then let me do what i had wanted to do all that day and lynch kush with SL dropping the hammer to save himself. What would be ff's scum motivation to do this? He knew me, bats and SL were in the thread and that myself and SL would definetly switch onto kush given i had been pushing that lynch and it would save SL. Yeah bussing is a thing but i don't think scum ff would bus like this. This was a last second thing if he was going to bus why not bring out more thought out arguments much earlier in the day so when kush then flipped scum people would read him town for his thought process and not just a last second comment. This is also intresting | ||
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On November 13 2014 08:05 Elvis! wrote: First of all I would hate sicklucker so much. After I would have calmed down, I would try and investigate people again and look who's the second most scummy. Since atm as I said noone looks townie or nearly as scummy as sicklucker, this would be difficult because I won't really be able to let others influence me too much since most people are possible scum atm. The thing we do have going for us, and what I would base my opinion tomorrow on if there is a tomorrow, is how people reacted around the recent lynch, since the last lynch was basically no discussion, since everyone just agreed on sent. No, I'm not trying to go off vote logic, but what the discussion I hope will happen will bring up. I think saying you read noone as townie is a cop out. You are still going on sicklucker from like your very first case you show no signs of reevaluating at all or even trying to look at it from the point of view that he is town. You entered the thread this way saying there was nothing to get reads off of and it was wrong then and it is wrong now. Also look at the bolded part you want to lynch sicklucker and you so believe he iss cum that he is your only read yet you still think there will be a tomorrow. | ||
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On November 13 2014 08:51 Serejai wrote: Ok, I surrender. I'm the last scum. Ready to start a new game now; this one has become boring. Also I can't believe all of you bought my fake roleblock claims so easily. GG all. I'm going to laugh if this is real | ||
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On November 13 2014 09:55 sicklucker wrote: Also I dont get why he would concede here he kinda won the game in my mind this has troll written all over it I disagree like fecal and stuff said she has like over a 100 hours to go still and eventually there will be 4 people left we will have to go to sleep and in final 3 serejai would have had to explain why she was still alive and why she is town. Looking back at her play today that would be a hard thing to do. | ||
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On November 14 2014 05:17 Serejai wrote: Nonsense; sicklucker has already self-confirmed as town a dozen times. You came around to this eventually i guess? suprising ##Unvote ##Vote: Elvis! | ||
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If you are scum reading someone like this and everyone calls them town you need to try and reevulate. You might be right, he could be scum but even if he was you need to try and look at other things aswell. The fact that the only thing you choose to go with to call someone else scum is that "someone got the cop lynched" isn't great. I voted for the cop and got him lynched and im your sole town read. Also the fact that this is the only thing that you can call someone scum for makes me feel that you arnt reading the game. Or that when you are reading the game you look at it from the perspective that SL is scum. Even if this is right i don't think it's good play because you seem to miss so much of what everyone else does. I don't mean you don't read it i mean you don't evaluate it as towny or scumy | ||
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Vote:Obiwanshinobi Dont rely on me switching for more last minute voted im on phone and this took like 5 mins. | ||
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##Unvote ##Vote:Obiwanshinobi | ||
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On November 14 2014 06:57 Serejai wrote: Why would you join a mafia game if you're not going to take it seriously? Lol.... | ||
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I've had to go interstate for a couple days and my laptop broke at the airport so just this day is going to be a struggle for me | ||
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On November 14 2014 07:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Pretty sure everybody has to stop fucking around now. I'll pay attention to this game when I get home. I dont feel like this is happening | ||
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On November 15 2014 22:58 Breshke wrote: SL could you make a case on ff pointing out posts you find scummy and talking about his overall gsmeplay/votes where its necesssry. like only if you habe time though. | ||
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On November 15 2014 23:03 sicklucker wrote: Can you give me the pg number for that one liner you posted defending him I asked like 3 times. ill do it myself eventually but its like 9am here and I havent slept. If we can count out ff it makes this game alot easier Can you show me where you have asked that? I dont know the page number its just before the kush lynch. Im suprised you have such a good read on ff and havnt seen it and are only now taking it into consideration. | ||
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Can yoy stop saying i wouldnt kill hik because he read me town no thats wrong. look at exactly what you are doing now youbare using the fact that he is dead and quoting his reads saying we should just blindly sheep him. You could be town but u dont need you to.make a case on who has called you town i want a case on why ff is mafia. It is better to try and find scum, that makes people know you are scum. Have i ever tried to confirm myself this game? No becayse thats scummy and i dont need to, i dont need to survive i need to kill scum. | ||
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Also if you were planning on making your ff post youd think you would ve reading his filter snyway and would find it yourself. | ||
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Also after getting angry at me for not telling you the page for that post you didnt even use it in.your case? Also this is another reason why i wanted you to write your case out because i dont feel like you hardly understood your "cases" on ff and this is evident by there being more words in.your case written by other people in your case than written by you. | ||
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If you had to lynch one between SL and superbia which one and why if you can give a reason. | ||
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For me SL changes his mind far too easily. he was saying he had a case on ff and was complaining noone was reading anything he posts. But then when i ask him to do his case in one big post and he comes back with a post filledeith other peoples posts about fecal which mean nothing to me. He isnt showing us his thought process he is riding off other peoples posts. As a newbie i think this is fine but then why is he getting amnoyed and saying noone is reading his posts if he knows he cant explain his read and i see no town motivation behind this. He also soon flips his read on ff to now think obi is scum for one of kushs early posts. yes mafia knew there was a medic but i dont think kscs claim was done by scum. Also SL expressed the same thought in his like second.post into the game. Also SL calling himself town and saying he wouldnt do certain stuff as mafia is weird for me. As a town i see no reason for this yes we are running out of lynches but i dont get how SL thinks he would convince people he is town by saying he is town. Again this makes more sense to me him being paranoifd scum than paranoid mafia. I dont know why im readin superbia the towniest but i am I want to kill obi, ff and SL. I think ff would be om the bottom of my lynch list and SL on the top if it wasnt for rayns reads. | ||
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If we can no lynch we are probably going to get to a final 3 with 3 lurkers thatll be great | ||
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Like you said the doctor is hard to find. Wouldnt it make it easier if they had a rileblocker anf therefore 2 chances to stop him each night. | ||
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Also serejai why are you voting in the wagons, are you even up to date with the game how do you think your vote helps. | ||
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If superbia is scum he has won im not voting on him. | ||
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If serejai vots you so what, if another person votes you so what? If they srnt redonable its obvious one of them is mafia. At least one of them is town and can be reasoned with. Superbia/obi why if any reason would you have a town read or bot lynch SL i want to see if its the same as mine. | ||
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before you come back and say that you have already done that, do it again | ||
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On November 16 2014 08:18 Superbia wrote: At the moment I also feel like there's most likely one between Obi and FF. The interactions between them feel very friendly, even though they should be big question marks to each other. I feel mafia is buddying up to the other, but I'm not completely sure which one is the mafia. You still remain a big question mark for me, but I'm probably just going to ride out rayn's read on you and blame the loss on him if you flip mafia. Obi: I dislike the fact that he becomes active after rayn dies. Especially since (I believe) rayn has played quite a few games with Obi. It feels like Obi might've been riding out rayn's gaze by simply lurking and being inactive, but I will never be able to confirm it. That being said, I personally kind of like what he has said today, it makes sense from a town perspective. He's also becoming more active, so I'm pretty sure I'll be able to get a good read on him as the day progresses. FF: What changed during the night? Yesterday EoD you were pretty set on calling Obi scum and pushing on him, today you seem to have completely flipped your view, and you two are buddying up. Also, you bring up my d2 vote push for seemingly no reason. Like you don't even call me mafia for it or anything, you just bring it up out of nowhere. Really feels like you're trying to get town to push on anyone but you at the moment. At the moment I'm leaning to FF being more likely to be scum than Obi. Can't really explain it well, but Obi has felt a little too lax to be scum. The bolded bit screams town to me because i have been having the exact same thought process. Sicklucker is an extremely hard read, on one hand his posts are all about ensuring that he doesn't die which is i guess a mafia trait BUT he seemes to really truely believe that what he is saying will help town win. So for me its been really hard to decide on him but rayn was so sure and i don't think as mafia you just sheep rayn like that reducing the people that you can try misslynch. I also have really liked his activity last night but it could be mafia going for a win but if i was left alive i don't see myself voting him. I also don't think that Sicklucker is mafia because either this is a one time gimmick thing he is doing as mafia or he really believes everything he is saying. WHY WE NO LYNCH Okay sicklucker unless there is a person alive tomorrow that every single person thinks is town like 100% you no lynch. Your a numbers guy, tomorrow you go into the day with 3 other people. That means if you randomed it you would have a 1/3 chance in getting the mafia. If you instead no lynch mafia needs to kill a questionmark, no one is confirmed even though I think superbia is town that read could be shit. So they have to kill someone that brings it down to you and two other people that is a 50% chance of getting mafia if you just randomly picked someone. I know you think serejai is going to vote you and mafia will hammer but if serejai is town she will vote no lynch because it is the BEST thing for town. That means that there will be 3 towns wanting to no lynch tomorrow so mafia won't be able to kill anyone. If serejai as town still decides to just afk vote for you and you are town then we probably do lose but that is her fault and is gametrhowing so don't do a sub optimal play just because you think someone is going to be a donkey. On serejai I think it is very likely she could be scum at this point. What has she done the past few days? I know she said she would be busy but look back at that "play" where she concedes. What did she get from that? before that play she though SL was mafia, after the play she still thinks SL is mafia. She hasnt explained for what reason she wasted almost an entire day. Also her tunnel on SL is getting kind of ridiculous and im sick of people saying this game "i've said the reasons already why he is scum" No if you are so sure of your case that you are willing to constantly vote someone during the final days then you should be able to easily write why. If serejai is really just bored frustrated town then obviously my last option is obi being scum. I actually have little to no idea about obi and this is only by process of elimination. | ||
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On November 23 2014 07:30 Superbia wrote: Breshke you've genuinely improved so much since we last played. Fucking awesome man. Yeah, you had to die before you could re-evaluate. :D Yeah Glowingbear was coaching me and massive props he helped so much and i actually could form my own reads this game haha | ||
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On November 23 2014 12:44 sicklucker wrote: Rly? I told you final 3 of me and serejai= mafia win thats why I didnt want to sleep Not if you had tried to find mafia and not tried to not get lynched. In one of your posts you said you thought superbia was mafia but then you voted serejai. Why not try convince serejai that superbia was mafia then it would be her fault not yours. I'm not blaming you but im just saying dont blame the fact that we slept. it removed Obi who was a question mark i still think it was the right play. | ||
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I'm not blaming you sicklucker im not blaming anyone lots of people fucked up this game myself included I lynched the cop among other things but you need to realize how even if YOU don't think its the wrong play everyone else did so next time you need to have a different approach else it will just happen again. | ||
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