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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 29 2014 04:08 GMT
#32
/in

ja babee lets du dis
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 29 2014 21:01 GMT
#36
On October 30 2014 05:45 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 29 2014 13:08 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
/in

ja babee lets du dis

Kill this dude first.

ahohohohuhuhu the joke is on yuuuuu

#Roleblock: sqrtofneg1
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 30 2014 17:21 GMT
#65
On October 30 2014 19:44 Serejai wrote:
This will be my fourth TL Mafia game. Here's to hoping this one doesn't end up like the last three, where cheating was so rampant the games were ended early, mass bans were handed out, veteran players had mental breakdowns, and moderators were stripped of their positions.

I'm told I got to be a part of the three worst games of TL Mafia ever played.

Which were those?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 30 2014 18:40 GMT
#74
The last Resistance game was horrible too. Although that might be because everyone thought I was confirmed scum and pretty much beat me into submission while I was travelling through the service-less mountains of New Hampshire and couldn't defend myself without losing like 10% batter per post.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 31 2014 06:21 GMT
#89
/conform
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
October 31 2014 06:21 GMT
#90
I too would like a coach.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 01 2014 17:34 GMT
#103
I'm hung over but I should be able to participate once the ro16 ends
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 01 2014 20:54 GMT
#108
Ro16 more important anyway
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 02 2014 15:53 GMT
#124
I spent my Saturday completely hung over watching 14 hours of SC2 and watching all my predicted winners lose. So very happy the time was moved! Thanks
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 02 2014 16:06 GMT
#126
Yep
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 02 2014 16:17 GMT
#128
I believed
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 02 2014 22:22 GMT
#148
On November 03 2014 07:16 Superbia wrote:
Welcome to Superbia's tunneling company!

I am currently offering a lucrative one-of-a-kind tunneling contract! Signing this contract means I tunnel the utter shit out of you today, most likely resulting in your lynch.

Are you town enough to survive the tunnel? Are you mafai and feel like taking a risk? First come first serve!

I'll take the contract with the extended sheeping plan. I make the most rational decisions on the way to the chopping block anyway.

Also, this is my first game of mafia where I no longer have swim practice. Which means i should,be able to operate much more efficiently now!
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 02 2014 22:36 GMT
#153
I'm going to guess we have 1 scum from the first seven, one from the last six, and one somewhere in there. Probably also in the latter six since 10-3 is a town-favored setup.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 02 2014 22:42 GMT
#156
On November 03 2014 07:37 kushm4sta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 07:36 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm going to guess we have 1 scum from the first seven, one from the last six, and one somewhere in there. Probably also in the latter six since 10-3 is a town-favored setup.


say that again but make sense this time

We have seven new players and six not new players, right?

So my prediction is that this game is slightly balanced because three new scum would be easy to point out without some good coaching, and three vet scum would make the game too hard without, again, coaching.

So one new scum, one vet scum, and another vet scum to tip the scales slightly scumward because this setup favors town. It takes four mislynches for scum to win but only three successful lynches for town to win.

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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 02 2014 23:18 GMT
#169
On November 03 2014 07:54 Fecalfeast wrote:
Do you honestly think BlazingHand, the god of RNG himself, would alter the results to balance the game around player skill? This is the guy who has, in his personal ruleset in the model OP thread, " I am not afraid to ruin a game of mafia for 10 people and 4 hosts just to modkill someone."

There is no way I will believe BH purposefully made the game less random.

I see your point. Was just a suggestion.

I still stand by my own practice of rigging games in the name of balance.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 02 2014 23:19 GMT
#171
On November 03 2014 08:19 Breshke wrote:
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On November 03 2014 08:10 kushm4sta wrote:
ok i actually read the op. this setup is broken.
non doctor role should claim. then doctor role will just protect the non doctor as he checks everyone.


This from the only decent player to sign up man are we in trouble.

Did you just call kush a decent player?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 03 2014 00:10 GMT
#181
On November 03 2014 08:54 Grackaroni wrote:
Now, let's talk Kush. What's your leaning? Devious scummer or incompetent townie?
The answer incompetent mafia could also be acceptable.

Well, he's assuming there's a doctor here:

On November 03 2014 08:10 kushm4sta wrote:
ok i actually read the op. this setup is broken.
non doctor role should claim. then doctor role will just protect the non doctor as he checks everyone.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 03 2014 00:56 GMT
#193
On November 03 2014 09:25 batsnacks wrote:
I like Breshke a lot. Easily top town in these first few pages. He's serious and making sense.


I don't see how asking two questions is indicative of a lot at this point.

Out of the four on your "serious and not making sense" pile, how many of those names would you be willing to call scum right now?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 03 2014 00:57 GMT
#195
On November 03 2014 09:56 Breshke wrote:
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On November 03 2014 09:47 KelsierSC wrote:
Bats you know he has about 4 posts and 2 of them are pregame nonsense


Compared to ff who you have a town read on for two posts both of which i wouldn't consider to be alignment indicative.

Im not trying to be that serious but my last 2 games i seem to just sheep all of day one and i want to change that.

Who do you see as at least somewhat town/scum right now and why?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 03 2014 00:58 GMT
#199
On November 03 2014 09:57 batsnacks wrote:
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On November 03 2014 09:56 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 03 2014 09:25 batsnacks wrote:
I like Breshke a lot. Easily top town in these first few pages. He's serious and making sense.


I don't see how asking two questions is indicative of a lot at this point.

Out of the four on your "serious and not making sense" pile, how many of those names would you be willing to call scum right now?


Just you actually.

Because I wasn't aware of BH being "king of RNG"?
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 03 2014 01:06 GMT
#206
On November 03 2014 10:01 batsnacks wrote:
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On November 03 2014 09:58 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 03 2014 09:57 batsnacks wrote:
On November 03 2014 09:56 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 03 2014 09:25 batsnacks wrote:
I like Breshke a lot. Easily top town in these first few pages. He's serious and making sense.


I don't see how asking two questions is indicative of a lot at this point.

Out of the four on your "serious and not making sense" pile, how many of those names would you be willing to call scum right now?


Just you actually.

Because I wasn't aware of BH being "king of RNG"?


No this is why:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2014 05:52 Blazinghand wrote:
Game setup information:

This is a mafia game for 13 players. 3 players will be randomly selected as mafia.

I say "random" too. Doesn't stop me from adjusting the numbers to make sure one side has too much power.

From my perspective it looked like 3 inexperienced scum would be too town-favored and vice versa. That and my own hosting experience are all I used to make a guess.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 03 2014 01:57 GMT
#233
I want to hear what his tunneling actually is before I pronounce my judgment.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 03 2014 02:01 GMT
#237
On November 03 2014 10:59 KelsierSC wrote:
Ive got like 4 reasons why he is scum fyi

State them.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 03 2014 02:20 GMT
#248
Makes sense. I'll put my vote on him for now

##Vote: Superbia

At least until he comes out and defends himself.

If he's lazy town (evidenced by "I'll do it tomorrow"), I don't see the rationale in saying "step right up and I'll build a case on you" in the first place.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 03 2014 02:44 GMT
#273
On November 03 2014 11:31 Elvis! wrote:
As a note on Superbia:
His disputed post just seems so trolly, wanna see if he actually pulls through (which would be retarded as fuck - I'm not used to Superbia doing stuff that stupid), so I'll not go on the wagon yet.
If he actually does that shit, holy moly he's gon get lynched.

Well his trolling is what we're using to call him scum. As far as I care, they're one and the same.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 03 2014 04:06 GMT
#291
On November 03 2014 11:51 Elvis! wrote:
@sentinel he's trolling on like the second page of the thread.
Stop trying to make reasonable posts in the first pages happen. Its not gonna happen.
Surely trolly behaviour is typically scum, because scum want to distract from something with it. Is he distracting from something?
As long as he doesn't go full retard and fulfill his promise, I don't read him town/scum for that.
His reaction is all that counts.

Trolling is distracting in its nature because people react and it creates a chaotic situation favorable to scum instead of everyone trying to find out who the scum is.

On November 03 2014 12:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Sentinal can you give reads on what has happened so far. Give me reads i. Myself, bats, ff, frak and bresh to start with.

You (and bat)
I'd give you two towncred for your presence in the thread. You're both arguing your points (the motivations of kush, etc.), progressing logically, and incorporating new information as it comes up. That's pretty good town play and solid considering we're working with a single-digit number of actual game pages at this point.

This doesn't incorporate into my read on batsnacks much (namely because he's one of my top two towns at this point), but I've frequently seen scum give themselves subconscious townie points by helping the mods since it looks like it's done in the name of clarity. Him offering the filters/important posts doesn't seem like scum covering themselves up though, because he's so active without the offerings, but if he drops off in later days it will be something I factor into my consideration.

FF
Null. Not sure if this is a joke but I kinda felt like he was jumping the gun here:
On November 03 2014 11:25 Fecalfeast wrote:
That's a dirty trick putting [/quote] in your post to mess up anyone who quotes you.

Otherwise, nothing to report.

bresh
Null-town. Contributing where he can. He does bring up a good point here:
On November 03 2014 11:42 Breshke wrote:
I disagree with the superbia bandwagon and i know its early and votes can change but the amount of people that are voting him for such a small post are surprising.

Elvis do you have no reads from the rest of the game even leaning town or scum?

Immaterial could you explain to me why you think what superbia did makes him mafia?

But I think the wagon on Superbia isn't anything to be worried about if he is in fact town. A lot of people are simply waiting on him to show up and offer some new evidence, and if I like what I see when he wakes up, I'll drop my own vote as well.

Grack
I like his open-mindedness:
On November 03 2014 12:27 Grackaroni wrote:
I just did give you something but I will comment on your Superbia suspicion.

Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 11:07 KelsierSC wrote:
My reasons for super

1. Deliberately tunneling is anti town. You have no desire to solve the game and you make things harder for the rest if town.
2. I looked through his past games. I couldn't find many but i don't see evidence of him tunneling d1 at all so why does he have this tunneling ticket nonsense. just seems like a contrived entry to the thread and not really wanting to solve the game.
3. Also looking through his past games, the recent mafia game of his was very trolly
this again looks like hm setting up to troll and dick around d1.
4. After stating hr is going to hard tunnel on someone he just picks up and leaves the thread

1) I think it's pretty clear that he wasn't actually planning on doing nothing but tunneling a random person for the rest of the day. He wrote some trolly posts at the start of the game; there's not much we can read into that he's only made 2 posts when nothing was happening.

2) Same as #1. Those posts don't actually mean he's going to tunnel. We all enter differently; Some people are super serious from the start. I like to troll at the start of games.

3)This could be a good point. If he shows a pattern of writing trolly posts at the start of games as mafia and being serious as town then that would be the start of a good meta argument.

4)He's from the Netherlands. I assume he went to bed.

but I would like to make note of his self-admission to trolling at the start of games. I'd rather wait and see what he does before making a decision.

Elvis
Null-scum.

I don't really like his aversion to getting into the game:

On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post.

and particularly his aversion to the few points of discussion we have at this point:

On November 03 2014 11:47 Elvis! wrote:
@Breshke atm Kelsier leans slightly town since he isn't scared of posting a lot and he seems to be trying to be useful, e.g. wanting to talk about all kinds of things.
Don't have a real read on the others, since most of the fluff is either about superbia/sentinel "tunneling" and not reading the op correctly. I've seen people get blamed for not reading the op (loafery, the last newbie game which you were in as well) endlessly to no avail. Atm sentinel looks really strongly like a second loafery, since people are calling him scum for not reading everything properly. I'll still have a look at what sentinel proceeds to post.


He calls the entire discussion fluff, and then summarizes the game up to that point. (For the record, and for the final time, I read everything properly, I just read the "random" part with a grain of salt because, again, I host rigged "random" games on a regular basis and my first instinct is to compare knowledge of this game with my own knowledge.)

And it seems like he's nervous to get into the game, but also like he's trying to participate but avoid contributing, if that makes sense. Probably the scummiest out of the active players, but with a few lurkers left and with kush and Superbia leaving the thread, that's not saying much.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 03 2014 20:46 GMT
#351
What Grack said. Or, straight from the horse's mouth,

On November 03 2014 13:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
But I think the wagon on Superbia isn't anything to be worried about if he is in fact town. A lot of people are simply waiting on him to show up and offer some new evidence, and if I like what I see when he wakes up, I'll drop my own vote as well.

So let's look at his returning post:

On November 04 2014 00:37 Superbia wrote:
Ha! You have all underestimated Superbia's Digging Company!

The play is pretty straightforward. Experienced town is never going to take the contract for these reasons:
- If I'm town, I'll be wasting my time tunneling on a townie (from their perspective)
- If I'm mafia, I'll have a great excuse to go hard on them all day.

Scum, however, is more likely to take the contract for the following reasons:
- WIFOM
- I'm not afraid of being watched, I swear!
- Easy fallback on "Wow I can't believe you actually tunneled me, you're dumb as shit"

Since Sentinel is an experienced player (apparently), I'm pretty sure he's mafai here. Him following the badsnacks pressure train (and FF/kelsier's push) on me doesn't help. Why agree and then go against it?

##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel

I wait for you to make an argument and see who, if anyone, sheeps it or incorporates it into their case on me. Then I can poke holes in it appropriately, and I have a list of people who are trying to sneak by under the floorboards while you attract all the attention. Making reads based on people's reactions to events is much easier when you're involved in said events. It eliminates one of the variables.

That part of itself doesn't actually paint you as town or scum - rather my scum read was not being able to understand a town rationale of offering to tunnel and attracting attention, and then promising not to do it for a while. That seemed like a distraction.


Fecalfeast -
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On November 03 2014 11:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
Tunneling someone who volunteers, IMHO, sounds like some really unproductive stuff. Maybe I have an incorrect definition of tunneling. To just pick the first person who raises their hand and focus only on that person is to waste his time and energy on a gamble.

At least an RNG lynch opens up analysis for D2 based on votes. If the person he tunnels is town we have to decide what to do with super before we analyze votes. I don't see ANY upside to announcing: "I TUNNEL SOMEONE PLS VOLUNTEER" and actually following through.

If someone could enlighten me as to why he is town, that'd help a lot.


Why are you pushing someone for something that hasn't even happened yet? If you were really looking to catch scum you would wait for me to follow up and then evaluate from here. Pushing on someone for something insubstantial is pretty scummy: it's a losing strategy for town, and an easy way to get town-read as scum. Scum-lean on FF.

We're pushing more for a reaction from you, if anything. Just as a way to get you to come out, shrug off any suspicion that doesn't belong, and then proceed as needed. It's the beginning of the day - any votes this early are most likely going to be changed as needed.


Elvis! - Elvis made sense and seems to have the same viewpoint as I would have on my post. Leaning town.

Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post.

I have no qualms with your reads on Grack and Immaterial at this point.


LightningStrike - Leaning mafia. Sheeps the vote for me but doesn't really seem to have a real opinion on the matter. This post screams mafia trying to insert themselves into a push/conversation:
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On November 03 2014 22:33 LightningStrike wrote:
I just woke up and saw someone thinking as a scum and I can understand a bit because I still a new player on TL mafia. But currently Elvis mainly made really large posts from what I had seen except when he said he will be in a couple of hours after uni and we will need to wait for a response from him. ## Unvote it seem just Superbia made some troll posts and we kind of over reacted to it.


Not going to lie the formatting of LS's post is confusing me as to his intentions. From my own perspective I can't tell if this is indicative of LS being newbie town or mafia at this point.

Overall, I don't know how to feel about you at this point. I'm definitely satisfied enough to take the pressure vote off:

##Unvote

But I can't quite get a good picture with your posting yet.
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[UoN]Sentinel
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States11320 Posts
November 03 2014 20:50 GMT
#352
On November 04 2014 02:30 Elvis! wrote:
so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages.

The difference is that what Superbia did became central to our discussion. Hell, even my post about RNG-rigging could have been a similar reason to pressure vote me, although I was around to clear up the discussion while Superbia went to sleep.
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November 03 2014 21:44 GMT
#354
On November 04 2014 05:54 batsnacks wrote:
As a side note... You really shouldn't rig your games. That's bad and stuff.

Keeps things balanced. I've adjusted all four of the Titanic games. I defer to RNG sometimes, but I shift people around as needed.

The 50% chance I do for the Janitor shot is never predetermined by me, though.
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November 04 2014 01:20 GMT
#399
On November 04 2014 06:55 Elvis! wrote:
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On November 04 2014 05:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 04 2014 02:30 Elvis! wrote:
so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages.

The difference is that what Superbia did became central to our discussion. Hell, even my post about RNG-rigging could have been a similar reason to pressure vote me, although I was around to clear up the discussion while Superbia went to sleep.


Well then even you say that your post was as trolly/chaotic as superbia's? A scum slip this early?

We had different motivations to same effects. I was trying to work out a way to help find scum by way of setup. He was trying to find scum by setting out a trap. Neither ended up working and ended up in disorder, his more than mine.

On November 04 2014 06:58 Elvis! wrote:
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Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post.


Sooooo in what way is saying that this is an unnecesarry topic bringing the focus back to it? Especially most of my posts were in a row and people didn't even have time to write something in between?

Well, here are all the posts in your filter, in order, starting with #6 and ending with #10:

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 03 2014 11:31 Elvis! wrote:
As a note on Superbia:
His disputed post just seems so trolly, wanna see if he actually pulls through (which would be retarded as fuck - I'm not used to Superbia doing stuff that stupid), so I'll not go on the wagon yet.
If he actually does that shit, holy moly he's gon get lynched.

On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post.

On November 03 2014 11:33 Elvis! wrote:
If superbia doesn't pull through we'll just have wasted a fuckton of time going after someone with like 2 posts.

On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:
Not wanting to sheep superbia, his post is really weird, just don't know if it's town weird or scum weird until he posts again

On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:
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On November 03 2014 11:37 KelsierSC wrote:
There are other things to discuss outside of supers post


Make an example


Pretty much focused on Superbia, but also note that you call it an "obviously trolly post", and also say that if Superbia does nothing then the whole discussion is a waste of time. But then why perpetuate the discussion with five more posts in a row? You're filling a quarter of a page in a game where the volume of posting is low on a player who you deem irrelevant to events.
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November 04 2014 01:23 GMT
#400
I don't know how to feel about Elvis at this point, but I feel a lot of his reasoning on me is jumping to conclusions. And scum and town both do that to a great extent.
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November 04 2014 02:32 GMT
#411
On November 04 2014 11:26 LightningStrike wrote:
EBWOP ##Vote Immaterial without a period I just didn't mean to add a period right next to his name.

It doesn't matter, it's only for the sake of legibility. We know who you're voting for with or without the period.
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November 04 2014 02:44 GMT
#415
Post #10 (make an example) read to me like you were trying to bring the discussion back to Superbia for lack of anything else to talk about. That was my mistake.

On November 04 2014 10:23 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I don't know how to feel about Elvis at this point, but I feel a lot of his reasoning on me is jumping to conclusions. And scum and town both do that to a great extent.

Who the hell said I had a scum read on Elvis?
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November 04 2014 17:05 GMT
#462
On November 05 2014 00:07 Superbia wrote:
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On November 04 2014 05:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
So let's look at his returning post:

On November 04 2014 00:37 Superbia wrote:
Ha! You have all underestimated Superbia's Digging Company!

The play is pretty straightforward. Experienced town is never going to take the contract for these reasons:
- If I'm town, I'll be wasting my time tunneling on a townie (from their perspective)
- If I'm mafia, I'll have a great excuse to go hard on them all day.

Scum, however, is more likely to take the contract for the following reasons:
- WIFOM
- I'm not afraid of being watched, I swear!
- Easy fallback on "Wow I can't believe you actually tunneled me, you're dumb as shit"

Since Sentinel is an experienced player (apparently), I'm pretty sure he's mafai here. Him following the badsnacks pressure train (and FF/kelsier's push) on me doesn't help. Why agree and then go against it?

##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel

I wait for you to make an argument and see who, if anyone, sheeps it or incorporates it into their case on me. Then I can poke holes in it appropriately, and I have a list of people who are trying to sneak by under the floorboards while you attract all the attention. Making reads based on people's reactions to events is much easier when you're involved in said events. It eliminates one of the variables.


So let me get this straight, you accepted precisely because of this reason? And you planned this within 5 minutes?
Show nested quote +

More or less. I do this like every game. At the very least, I would have wanted to see what you could dig up on me, and more importantly, who else tries to ride the tunnel train and for what reason.


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On November 04 2014 05:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

Fecalfeast -
On November 03 2014 11:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
Tunneling someone who volunteers, IMHO, sounds like some really unproductive stuff. Maybe I have an incorrect definition of tunneling. To just pick the first person who raises their hand and focus only on that person is to waste his time and energy on a gamble.

At least an RNG lynch opens up analysis for D2 based on votes. If the person he tunnels is town we have to decide what to do with super before we analyze votes. I don't see ANY upside to announcing: "I TUNNEL SOMEONE PLS VOLUNTEER" and actually following through.

If someone could enlighten me as to why he is town, that'd help a lot.


Why are you pushing someone for something that hasn't even happened yet? If you were really looking to catch scum you would wait for me to follow up and then evaluate from here. Pushing on someone for something insubstantial is pretty scummy: it's a losing strategy for town, and an easy way to get town-read as scum. Scum-lean on FF.

We're pushing more for a reaction from you, if anything. Just as a way to get you to come out, shrug off any suspicion that doesn't belong, and then proceed as needed. It's the beginning of the day - any votes this early are most likely going to be changed as needed.


Why are you answering for FF? Why do you presume to know what his goal is? This only makes sense if you know FF's alignment.

We were all on a pressure-voting wagon to the extent of my knowledge. I just saw fit to address it as I was dissecting your return post.

On November 05 2014 00:35 Superbia wrote:
Sentinel:
- Was your agreement to the tunnel a joke?
- If not, why did you agree?

It was a half-joke. The way I saw it, it could go one of two ways. If you accepted, I'd get my goal of attention being focused on me, which is great because a) the only reason I play mafia is to see other people talk about me and b) again, it's a lot easier for me to make reads. If you declined, then I just chalk it up to pre-game fuckery and we go on playing the game discussing... something else. I didn't expect for it to blow up the way it did.
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November 04 2014 17:06 GMT
#464
Jasmine = Serejai?
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November 04 2014 17:34 GMT
#468
On November 05 2014 02:19 batsnacks wrote:
There's so much wrong in jasmine's posts but I can't decide if it's actually scummy or not. Its like jasmine doesn't understand why she's scummy, its making her frustrated, and it's creating bias in her reads.

Right but that in itself doesn't make her even more scummy. Just bad town. Or bad null rather.

I have to go reread the whole exchange, though. My feelings on her alignment are unclear.
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November 04 2014 18:28 GMT
#488
On November 05 2014 02:46 KelsierSC wrote:
sentinal if you had to pick between elvis and sere who would you vote on?

Not very sure. See I feel like Serejai is just reacting against people who call her scum, but then when she goes after Elvis, he does the exact same thing. I feel like both of them are picking a person who they have a feeling is scum, and then finding everything scummy about them. And they've got each other in the crosshairs.

I'd say Sere looks a little more scummy simply because she's trying to point her finger everywhere she can to try and give the town another potential target that isn't her.
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November 04 2014 18:37 GMT
#492
On November 05 2014 03:33 Serejai wrote:
I don't actually think Cricketer12 is mafia but I know I'm town and he's the only person I can throw my vote to at the moment.

Who do you think is mafia? Vote for them and make a case.

Do you still think Elvis is scum?
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November 04 2014 18:46 GMT
#494
##Vote: Serejai

That vote and the rationale doesn't sit well at all with me. Explain yourself, please.
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November 04 2014 18:49 GMT
#496
On November 05 2014 03:47 batsnacks wrote:
I think now is the time to talk about cricket.

Do we vote him or take a chance with a modkill/replacement/possibility of him suddenly returning?

He didn't vote, so I'd say we shouldn't waste our efforts unless he shows up just to vote or is modkilled eventually.
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November 04 2014 19:18 GMT
#506
On November 05 2014 04:00 Serejai wrote:
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On November 05 2014 03:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
##Vote: Serejai

That vote and the rationale doesn't sit well at all with me. Explain yourself, please.


Lol, the rationale doesn't sit well? That's a very scummy thing to say. I know I'm town, and I don't know what cricket is. Therefore, if the lynch is going to be me or cricket... why would I let myself stay in the hot seat?

I don't think cricket is scum, but I know that I'm not; so if it's him or me, I'll choose him.

I thought you were town but this post of yours is scummy as shit.

Alright look if you're town, let me break this down for you. This:

On November 05 2014 03:58 Serejai wrote:
My vote would still be on Elvis if I had a choice, but I do not; it doesn't seem like anyone else is willing to commit to him.

I would be willing to change my vote to Immaterial as well, and here's why:

Is really scummy. If you keep your vote on Cricketer, and he gets enough votes to be lynched, and if you turn out to be right and he's actually town, you're helping scum win. That's one more wasted lynch for the town and one less person to eliminate for the mafia. You don't follow bandwagons either. That's what scum does because other people make misguided cases and then scummers can put nails in the coffin.

Now here you have a case on Immaterial. But after all that evidence that you dug up on him and you being convinced he's scum (which is what I'm getting from reading that post, you don't even vote for the guy. Why not? The rest of us will commit to him if and only if you deliver some sort of evidence that says "This guy is definitely the scum, and these guys who you're all voting for right now are town, or at least less scummy than Immaterial".

For example I'm voting for you because you have way too many scumreads, are doing the most scum-beneficial things possible right now, and the people who you're voting for doesn't equate to the people who you think are scum. In other words, to answer your question, you're letting yourself stay in the hot seat right now.

So here's what I want you to do, if you're town:

1. There are three scum in the game. Give me the three who you think are the most scummy in this game. If you're really unsure about a third, you can do an alternate fourth.
2. Tell me why those three are the scummiest players in the game.
3 (optional but recommended). Before you post, play devil's advocate. Think about these players being town, and try to justify their actions. Use this to refine your final judgment.
4. Pick the scummiest of the bunch and vote for them.
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November 04 2014 20:00 GMT
#537
Is deadline now? I'll re evaluate once i get to class
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November 04 2014 20:26 GMT
#570
On November 05 2014 04:26 Serejai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 04:18 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 05 2014 04:00 Serejai wrote:
On November 05 2014 03:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
##Vote: Serejai

That vote and the rationale doesn't sit well at all with me. Explain yourself, please.


Lol, the rationale doesn't sit well? That's a very scummy thing to say. I know I'm town, and I don't know what cricket is. Therefore, if the lynch is going to be me or cricket... why would I let myself stay in the hot seat?

I don't think cricket is scum, but I know that I'm not; so if it's him or me, I'll choose him.

I thought you were town but this post of yours is scummy as shit.

Alright look if you're town, let me break this down for you. This:

On November 05 2014 03:58 Serejai wrote:
My vote would still be on Elvis if I had a choice, but I do not; it doesn't seem like anyone else is willing to commit to him.

I would be willing to change my vote to Immaterial as well, and here's why:

Is really scummy. If you keep your vote on Cricketer, and he gets enough votes to be lynched, and if you turn out to be right and he's actually town, you're helping scum win. That's one more wasted lynch for the town and one less person to eliminate for the mafia. You don't follow bandwagons either. That's what scum does because other people make misguided cases and then scummers can put nails in the coffin.

Now here you have a case on Immaterial. But after all that evidence that you dug up on him and you being convinced he's scum (which is what I'm getting from reading that post, you don't even vote for the guy. Why not? The rest of us will commit to him if and only if you deliver some sort of evidence that says "This guy is definitely the scum, and these guys who you're all voting for right now are town, or at least less scummy than Immaterial".

For example I'm voting for you because you have way too many scumreads, are doing the most scum-beneficial things possible right now, and the people who you're voting for doesn't equate to the people who you think are scum. In other words, to answer your question, you're letting yourself stay in the hot seat right now.

So here's what I want you to do, if you're town:

1. There are three scum in the game. Give me the three who you think are the most scummy in this game. If you're really unsure about a third, you can do an alternate fourth.
2. Tell me why those three are the scummiest players in the game.
3 (optional but recommended). Before you post, play devil's advocate. Think about these players being town, and try to justify their actions. Use this to refine your final judgment.
4. Pick the scummiest of the bunch and vote for them.


You list four things, and I've already done them all.

1) I've stated my scumlist numerous times in this thread (Elvis, Fecal, bat, kush / Immaterial), and all that resulted from it was all four of them voting to lynch me.
2) I've stated why I think all of them are scum, and this resulted in my scumlist tunneling me.

Elvis did a reactionary vote just like you. The reason I picked you over him is that you call everyone scum and Elvis's posts have slightly more substance. You also kinda dug your hole on that one.


4) I've picked the scummiest of my scumlist (Elvis) and voted for them, which resulted in everyone getting scum reads on me because apparently Elvis is confirmed town.

It doesn't seem like you're in danger with the LS wagon. Also wtf the LS wagon. That said, I want you to try and make the best case you can for Elvis being town. Might not do a lot to your end goals, but it'll probably make your points a lot more weighty considering you looked at both sides of the coin. Right now it just looks like you're yelling at everyone who tries to oppose you on the thinnest strands of evidence, although I somewhat did like your case on Imma. It seemed more thought out, although it's got a long way to go.
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November 04 2014 20:30 GMT
#578
On November 05 2014 05:29 Serejai wrote:
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On November 05 2014 05:28 Fecalfeast wrote:
On November 05 2014 05:26 KelsierSC wrote:
btw LS I am the real detective so if you really think you have been townier than me we can try to 1v1

or if you are truly town then just resend and we can move on


Sucks having to counterclaim D1. Hope we have a doctor.


We do.

Wtf kush have you been posting under Serejai's name this whole time?
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November 04 2014 20:31 GMT
#580
On November 05 2014 05:28 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 05:26 KelsierSC wrote:
btw LS I am the real detective so if you really think you have been townier than me we can try to 1v1

or if you are truly town then just resend and we can move on


Sucks having to counterclaim D1. Hope we have a doctor.

Counterclaim for a role that doesn't exist?
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November 04 2014 20:35 GMT
#586
Maybe King BH used RNG on his thesaurus?
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November 04 2014 20:47 GMT
#608
On November 05 2014 05:44 LightningStrike wrote:
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On November 05 2014 05:42 KelsierSC wrote:
On November 05 2014 05:42 LightningStrike wrote:
Detective and Cop were the closest I got name wise for meaning so educational guess name and meaning :|


Like you aren't even looking at my posts or trying to show I am scummy, it is like you know I am telling the truth.

There is no way I can prove or disprove you until I die or get saved for the day and have a doc on me.

Alright.

##Unvote
##Vote: LightningStrike

I'm putting my vote on you until you make sense.
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November 04 2014 21:12 GMT
#630
Fuck. Never answered this one, did I?

On November 04 2014 12:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
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On November 03 2014 07:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 03 2014 07:16 Superbia wrote:
Welcome to Superbia's tunneling company!

I am currently offering a lucrative one-of-a-kind tunneling contract! Signing this contract means I tunnel the utter shit out of you today, most likely resulting in your lynch.

Are you town enough to survive the tunnel? Are you mafai and feel like taking a risk? First come first serve!

I'll take the contract with the extended sheeping plan. I make the most rational decisions on the way to the chopping block anyway.

Also, this is my first game of mafia where I no longer have swim practice. Which means i should,be able to operate much more efficiently now!

I agree with superbia in saying that a good town wouldn't take this contract if he thought it was serious.

Already discussed my rationale behind this.


After signing up for the tunnel, he starts to talk about game setup and host-based WIFOM rather than talking about what the superbia post really means. At this point the superbia post has been beat to death and then beat some more but at the time of this post the only other comment on it was batsnacks' vote.

Even after batsnacks less-than-subtly points out why the speculation is useless sentinel continues to talk about host-based wifom.

How is that less than subtle? When I saw that, it was an invitation for me to explain my masterful analysis.


It's not until I explain that BH wouldn't offend the RNG gods that he reconsiders yet leaves in "I stand by my practice of rigging games." Not to sound nitpicky but that seems like a trolly leave-behind to get people talking about RNG-rigging rather than the game at hand.

Now let's look at his actions after the fabled tunneling professional returns. I'm going to be quoting from this post

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I wait for you to make an argument and see who, if anyone, sheeps it or incorporates it into their case on me. Then I can poke holes in it appropriately, and I have a list of people who are trying to sneak by under the floorboards while you attract all the attention.

Well, here's the first person to incorporate super's logic in his case. Come at me, brother.

Seems about right! In fact, kush's laconic vote just now seems to mark him red in my books.

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Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post.

So elvis looks scummy for wasting town's time talking about someone he thinks is unimportant? What about wasting town's time talking about game setup information that can never be confirmed, is that scummy?

It got people talking about something, which is always better than people talking about nothing. Again, as I've said before, I didn't even find Superbia's tunnel thing to be scummy until he excused himself from the thread, because that's where he leaves the thread in confusion. Then he arrived, cleared his name, etc. and the rest is history.


Then this post.
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On November 04 2014 10:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 04 2014 06:55 Elvis! wrote:
On November 04 2014 05:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 04 2014 02:30 Elvis! wrote:
so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages.

The difference is that what Superbia did became central to our discussion. Hell, even my post about RNG-rigging could have been a similar reason to pressure vote me, although I was around to clear up the discussion while Superbia went to sleep.


Well then even you say that your post was as trolly/chaotic as superbia's? A scum slip this early?

We had different motivations to same effects. I was trying to work out a way to help find scum by way of setup. He was trying to find scum by setting out a trap. Neither ended up working and ended up in disorder, his more than mine.

On November 04 2014 06:58 Elvis! wrote:
Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post.


Sooooo in what way is saying that this is an unnecesarry topic bringing the focus back to it? Especially most of my posts were in a row and people didn't even have time to write something in between?

Well, here are all the posts in your filter, in order, starting with #6 and ending with #10:

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 03 2014 11:31 Elvis! wrote:
As a note on Superbia:
His disputed post just seems so trolly, wanna see if he actually pulls through (which would be retarded as fuck - I'm not used to Superbia doing stuff that stupid), so I'll not go on the wagon yet.
If he actually does that shit, holy moly he's gon get lynched.

On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post.

On November 03 2014 11:33 Elvis! wrote:
If superbia doesn't pull through we'll just have wasted a fuckton of time going after someone with like 2 posts.

On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:
Not wanting to sheep superbia, his post is really weird, just don't know if it's town weird or scum weird until he posts again

On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:
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On November 03 2014 11:37 KelsierSC wrote:
There are other things to discuss outside of supers post


Make an example


Pretty much focused on Superbia, but also note that you call it an "obviously trolly post", and also say that if Superbia does nothing then the whole discussion is a waste of time. But then why perpetuate the discussion with five more posts in a row? You're filling a quarter of a page in a game where the volume of posting is low on a player who you deem irrelevant to events.


let's look at the timestamps of elvis' posts you quoted in the spoiler.
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November 03 2014 11:31
November 03 2014 11:32
November 03 2014 11:33
November 03 2014 11:38
November 03 2014 11:38


You're making him seem like he's trying to derail discussion multiple seperate times yet all the posts you quote are from a 7-minute period of time. Your logic only follows if people perpetuated the discussion because of elvis and, to be honest, the only person to do that is you.

Did I do that? I said he's spamming up the game with something he admits isn't important. My issue isn't with him, my issue is that it was important, and that it's good that he's bringing it up but bad that he's distancing himself from it.

I'd vote kush because goddamn that's a scummy vote but I still stay on LS because I refuse to believe that BH would do that, then LS would spend most of Day 1 thinking he's detective when it's not a role in the OP and not ask any questions.
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November 04 2014 21:13 GMT
#631
On November 05 2014 06:09 Grackaroni wrote:
Oh it's on LS. That's not a very good lynch. LS actually tried to share his thoughts despite not knowing what he was doing.

LS confused the thread with something that reeks of utter bullshit to me.
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November 04 2014 21:15 GMT
#636
On November 05 2014 06:13 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 06:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Fuck. Never answered this one, did I?

On November 04 2014 12:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
On November 03 2014 07:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 03 2014 07:16 Superbia wrote:
Welcome to Superbia's tunneling company!

I am currently offering a lucrative one-of-a-kind tunneling contract! Signing this contract means I tunnel the utter shit out of you today, most likely resulting in your lynch.

Are you town enough to survive the tunnel? Are you mafai and feel like taking a risk? First come first serve!

I'll take the contract with the extended sheeping plan. I make the most rational decisions on the way to the chopping block anyway.

Also, this is my first game of mafia where I no longer have swim practice. Which means i should,be able to operate much more efficiently now!

I agree with superbia in saying that a good town wouldn't take this contract if he thought it was serious.

Already discussed my rationale behind this.


After signing up for the tunnel, he starts to talk about game setup and host-based WIFOM rather than talking about what the superbia post really means. At this point the superbia post has been beat to death and then beat some more but at the time of this post the only other comment on it was batsnacks' vote.

Even after batsnacks less-than-subtly points out why the speculation is useless sentinel continues to talk about host-based wifom.

How is that less than subtle? When I saw that, it was an invitation for me to explain my masterful analysis.


It's not until I explain that BH wouldn't offend the RNG gods that he reconsiders yet leaves in "I stand by my practice of rigging games." Not to sound nitpicky but that seems like a trolly leave-behind to get people talking about RNG-rigging rather than the game at hand.

Now let's look at his actions after the fabled tunneling professional returns. I'm going to be quoting from this post

I wait for you to make an argument and see who, if anyone, sheeps it or incorporates it into their case on me. Then I can poke holes in it appropriately, and I have a list of people who are trying to sneak by under the floorboards while you attract all the attention.

Well, here's the first person to incorporate super's logic in his case. Come at me, brother.

Seems about right! In fact, kush's laconic vote just now seems to mark him red in my books.

Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post.

So elvis looks scummy for wasting town's time talking about someone he thinks is unimportant? What about wasting town's time talking about game setup information that can never be confirmed, is that scummy?

It got people talking about something, which is always better than people talking about nothing. Again, as I've said before, I didn't even find Superbia's tunnel thing to be scummy until he excused himself from the thread, because that's where he leaves the thread in confusion. Then he arrived, cleared his name, etc. and the rest is history.


Then this post.
On November 04 2014 10:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 04 2014 06:55 Elvis! wrote:
On November 04 2014 05:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 04 2014 02:30 Elvis! wrote:
so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages.

The difference is that what Superbia did became central to our discussion. Hell, even my post about RNG-rigging could have been a similar reason to pressure vote me, although I was around to clear up the discussion while Superbia went to sleep.


Well then even you say that your post was as trolly/chaotic as superbia's? A scum slip this early?

We had different motivations to same effects. I was trying to work out a way to help find scum by way of setup. He was trying to find scum by setting out a trap. Neither ended up working and ended up in disorder, his more than mine.

On November 04 2014 06:58 Elvis! wrote:
Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post.


Sooooo in what way is saying that this is an unnecesarry topic bringing the focus back to it? Especially most of my posts were in a row and people didn't even have time to write something in between?

Well, here are all the posts in your filter, in order, starting with #6 and ending with #10:

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 03 2014 11:31 Elvis! wrote:
As a note on Superbia:
His disputed post just seems so trolly, wanna see if he actually pulls through (which would be retarded as fuck - I'm not used to Superbia doing stuff that stupid), so I'll not go on the wagon yet.
If he actually does that shit, holy moly he's gon get lynched.

On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post.

On November 03 2014 11:33 Elvis! wrote:
If superbia doesn't pull through we'll just have wasted a fuckton of time going after someone with like 2 posts.

On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:
Not wanting to sheep superbia, his post is really weird, just don't know if it's town weird or scum weird until he posts again

On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 11:37 KelsierSC wrote:
There are other things to discuss outside of supers post


Make an example


Pretty much focused on Superbia, but also note that you call it an "obviously trolly post", and also say that if Superbia does nothing then the whole discussion is a waste of time. But then why perpetuate the discussion with five more posts in a row? You're filling a quarter of a page in a game where the volume of posting is low on a player who you deem irrelevant to events.


let's look at the timestamps of elvis' posts you quoted in the spoiler.
November 03 2014 11:31
November 03 2014 11:32
November 03 2014 11:33
November 03 2014 11:38
November 03 2014 11:38


You're making him seem like he's trying to derail discussion multiple seperate times yet all the posts you quote are from a 7-minute period of time. Your logic only follows if people perpetuated the discussion because of elvis and, to be honest, the only person to do that is you.

Did I do that? I said he's spamming up the game with something he admits isn't important. My issue isn't with him, my issue is that it was important, and that it's good that he's bringing it up but bad that he's distancing himself from it.

I'd vote kush because goddamn that's a scummy vote but I still stay on LS because I refuse to believe that BH would do that, then LS would spend most of Day 1 thinking he's detective when it's not a role in the OP and not ask any questions.

The host told me in a pm that Detective is a Cop but I can't prove due to rules but after I get lynched I pretty sure eh can show what he told me in the pms.


When did he tell you this? Was it before or after you told us you were the detective?
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November 04 2014 21:18 GMT
#639
On November 05 2014 06:16 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 06:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 05 2014 06:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On November 05 2014 06:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Fuck. Never answered this one, did I?

On November 04 2014 12:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
On November 03 2014 07:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 03 2014 07:16 Superbia wrote:
Welcome to Superbia's tunneling company!

I am currently offering a lucrative one-of-a-kind tunneling contract! Signing this contract means I tunnel the utter shit out of you today, most likely resulting in your lynch.

Are you town enough to survive the tunnel? Are you mafai and feel like taking a risk? First come first serve!

I'll take the contract with the extended sheeping plan. I make the most rational decisions on the way to the chopping block anyway.

Also, this is my first game of mafia where I no longer have swim practice. Which means i should,be able to operate much more efficiently now!

I agree with superbia in saying that a good town wouldn't take this contract if he thought it was serious.

Already discussed my rationale behind this.


After signing up for the tunnel, he starts to talk about game setup and host-based WIFOM rather than talking about what the superbia post really means. At this point the superbia post has been beat to death and then beat some more but at the time of this post the only other comment on it was batsnacks' vote.

Even after batsnacks less-than-subtly points out why the speculation is useless sentinel continues to talk about host-based wifom.

How is that less than subtle? When I saw that, it was an invitation for me to explain my masterful analysis.


It's not until I explain that BH wouldn't offend the RNG gods that he reconsiders yet leaves in "I stand by my practice of rigging games." Not to sound nitpicky but that seems like a trolly leave-behind to get people talking about RNG-rigging rather than the game at hand.

Now let's look at his actions after the fabled tunneling professional returns. I'm going to be quoting from this post

I wait for you to make an argument and see who, if anyone, sheeps it or incorporates it into their case on me. Then I can poke holes in it appropriately, and I have a list of people who are trying to sneak by under the floorboards while you attract all the attention.

Well, here's the first person to incorporate super's logic in his case. Come at me, brother.

Seems about right! In fact, kush's laconic vote just now seems to mark him red in my books.

Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post.

So elvis looks scummy for wasting town's time talking about someone he thinks is unimportant? What about wasting town's time talking about game setup information that can never be confirmed, is that scummy?

It got people talking about something, which is always better than people talking about nothing. Again, as I've said before, I didn't even find Superbia's tunnel thing to be scummy until he excused himself from the thread, because that's where he leaves the thread in confusion. Then he arrived, cleared his name, etc. and the rest is history.


Then this post.
On November 04 2014 10:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 04 2014 06:55 Elvis! wrote:
On November 04 2014 05:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 04 2014 02:30 Elvis! wrote:
so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages.

The difference is that what Superbia did became central to our discussion. Hell, even my post about RNG-rigging could have been a similar reason to pressure vote me, although I was around to clear up the discussion while Superbia went to sleep.


Well then even you say that your post was as trolly/chaotic as superbia's? A scum slip this early?

We had different motivations to same effects. I was trying to work out a way to help find scum by way of setup. He was trying to find scum by setting out a trap. Neither ended up working and ended up in disorder, his more than mine.

On November 04 2014 06:58 Elvis! wrote:
Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post.


Sooooo in what way is saying that this is an unnecesarry topic bringing the focus back to it? Especially most of my posts were in a row and people didn't even have time to write something in between?

Well, here are all the posts in your filter, in order, starting with #6 and ending with #10:

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 03 2014 11:31 Elvis! wrote:
As a note on Superbia:
His disputed post just seems so trolly, wanna see if he actually pulls through (which would be retarded as fuck - I'm not used to Superbia doing stuff that stupid), so I'll not go on the wagon yet.
If he actually does that shit, holy moly he's gon get lynched.

On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post.

On November 03 2014 11:33 Elvis! wrote:
If superbia doesn't pull through we'll just have wasted a fuckton of time going after someone with like 2 posts.

On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:
Not wanting to sheep superbia, his post is really weird, just don't know if it's town weird or scum weird until he posts again

On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 11:37 KelsierSC wrote:
There are other things to discuss outside of supers post


Make an example


Pretty much focused on Superbia, but also note that you call it an "obviously trolly post", and also say that if Superbia does nothing then the whole discussion is a waste of time. But then why perpetuate the discussion with five more posts in a row? You're filling a quarter of a page in a game where the volume of posting is low on a player who you deem irrelevant to events.


let's look at the timestamps of elvis' posts you quoted in the spoiler.
November 03 2014 11:31
November 03 2014 11:32
November 03 2014 11:33
November 03 2014 11:38
November 03 2014 11:38


You're making him seem like he's trying to derail discussion multiple seperate times yet all the posts you quote are from a 7-minute period of time. Your logic only follows if people perpetuated the discussion because of elvis and, to be honest, the only person to do that is you.

Did I do that? I said he's spamming up the game with something he admits isn't important. My issue isn't with him, my issue is that it was important, and that it's good that he's bringing it up but bad that he's distancing himself from it.

I'd vote kush because goddamn that's a scummy vote but I still stay on LS because I refuse to believe that BH would do that, then LS would spend most of Day 1 thinking he's detective when it's not a role in the OP and not ask any questions.

The host told me in a pm that Detective is a Cop but I can't prove due to rules but after I get lynched I pretty sure eh can show what he told me in the pms.


When did he tell you this? Was it before or after you told us you were the detective?

After but I kind fo figured beforehand.

Why didn't you check beforehand?

On November 05 2014 05:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Fine I will tell you my role since I going to get lynched anyway I am a Town Detective so if you lynch me oh well gl finding them without direct help.

If it wasn't in the OP, how would you have known which power you had?
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November 04 2014 21:21 GMT
#649
On November 05 2014 06:20 LightningStrike wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 06:18 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 05 2014 06:16 LightningStrike wrote:
On November 05 2014 06:15 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 05 2014 06:13 LightningStrike wrote:
On November 05 2014 06:12 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Fuck. Never answered this one, did I?

On November 04 2014 12:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
On November 03 2014 07:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 03 2014 07:16 Superbia wrote:
Welcome to Superbia's tunneling company!

I am currently offering a lucrative one-of-a-kind tunneling contract! Signing this contract means I tunnel the utter shit out of you today, most likely resulting in your lynch.

Are you town enough to survive the tunnel? Are you mafai and feel like taking a risk? First come first serve!

I'll take the contract with the extended sheeping plan. I make the most rational decisions on the way to the chopping block anyway.

Also, this is my first game of mafia where I no longer have swim practice. Which means i should,be able to operate much more efficiently now!

I agree with superbia in saying that a good town wouldn't take this contract if he thought it was serious.

Already discussed my rationale behind this.


After signing up for the tunnel, he starts to talk about game setup and host-based WIFOM rather than talking about what the superbia post really means. At this point the superbia post has been beat to death and then beat some more but at the time of this post the only other comment on it was batsnacks' vote.

Even after batsnacks less-than-subtly points out why the speculation is useless sentinel continues to talk about host-based wifom.

How is that less than subtle? When I saw that, it was an invitation for me to explain my masterful analysis.


It's not until I explain that BH wouldn't offend the RNG gods that he reconsiders yet leaves in "I stand by my practice of rigging games." Not to sound nitpicky but that seems like a trolly leave-behind to get people talking about RNG-rigging rather than the game at hand.

Now let's look at his actions after the fabled tunneling professional returns. I'm going to be quoting from this post

I wait for you to make an argument and see who, if anyone, sheeps it or incorporates it into their case on me. Then I can poke holes in it appropriately, and I have a list of people who are trying to sneak by under the floorboards while you attract all the attention.

Well, here's the first person to incorporate super's logic in his case. Come at me, brother.

Seems about right! In fact, kush's laconic vote just now seems to mark him red in my books.

Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post.

So elvis looks scummy for wasting town's time talking about someone he thinks is unimportant? What about wasting town's time talking about game setup information that can never be confirmed, is that scummy?

It got people talking about something, which is always better than people talking about nothing. Again, as I've said before, I didn't even find Superbia's tunnel thing to be scummy until he excused himself from the thread, because that's where he leaves the thread in confusion. Then he arrived, cleared his name, etc. and the rest is history.


Then this post.
On November 04 2014 10:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 04 2014 06:55 Elvis! wrote:
On November 04 2014 05:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
[quote]
The difference is that what Superbia did became central to our discussion. Hell, even my post about RNG-rigging could have been a similar reason to pressure vote me, although I was around to clear up the discussion while Superbia went to sleep.


Well then even you say that your post was as trolly/chaotic as superbia's? A scum slip this early?

We had different motivations to same effects. I was trying to work out a way to help find scum by way of setup. He was trying to find scum by setting out a trap. Neither ended up working and ended up in disorder, his more than mine.

On November 04 2014 06:58 Elvis! wrote:
Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post.


Sooooo in what way is saying that this is an unnecesarry topic bringing the focus back to it? Especially most of my posts were in a row and people didn't even have time to write something in between?

Well, here are all the posts in your filter, in order, starting with #6 and ending with #10:

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 03 2014 11:31 Elvis! wrote:
As a note on Superbia:
His disputed post just seems so trolly, wanna see if he actually pulls through (which would be retarded as fuck - I'm not used to Superbia doing stuff that stupid), so I'll not go on the wagon yet.
If he actually does that shit, holy moly he's gon get lynched.

On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post.

On November 03 2014 11:33 Elvis! wrote:
If superbia doesn't pull through we'll just have wasted a fuckton of time going after someone with like 2 posts.

On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:
Not wanting to sheep superbia, his post is really weird, just don't know if it's town weird or scum weird until he posts again

On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 11:37 KelsierSC wrote:
There are other things to discuss outside of supers post


Make an example


Pretty much focused on Superbia, but also note that you call it an "obviously trolly post", and also say that if Superbia does nothing then the whole discussion is a waste of time. But then why perpetuate the discussion with five more posts in a row? You're filling a quarter of a page in a game where the volume of posting is low on a player who you deem irrelevant to events.


let's look at the timestamps of elvis' posts you quoted in the spoiler.
November 03 2014 11:31
November 03 2014 11:32
November 03 2014 11:33
November 03 2014 11:38
November 03 2014 11:38


You're making him seem like he's trying to derail discussion multiple seperate times yet all the posts you quote are from a 7-minute period of time. Your logic only follows if people perpetuated the discussion because of elvis and, to be honest, the only person to do that is you.

Did I do that? I said he's spamming up the game with something he admits isn't important. My issue isn't with him, my issue is that it was important, and that it's good that he's bringing it up but bad that he's distancing himself from it.

I'd vote kush because goddamn that's a scummy vote but I still stay on LS because I refuse to believe that BH would do that, then LS would spend most of Day 1 thinking he's detective when it's not a role in the OP and not ask any questions.

The host told me in a pm that Detective is a Cop but I can't prove due to rules but after I get lynched I pretty sure eh can show what he told me in the pms.


When did he tell you this? Was it before or after you told us you were the detective?

After but I kind fo figured beforehand.

Why didn't you check beforehand?

On November 05 2014 05:18 LightningStrike wrote:
Fine I will tell you my role since I going to get lynched anyway I am a Town Detective so if you lynch me oh well gl finding them without direct help.

If it wasn't in the OP, how would you have known which power you had?

Other than my experience in SC2 Mafia some cops are called Detectives in real life and if I was Town Watcher he would of told Town Watcher not Detective/Cop

If you were Town Cop, he would have said Town Cop by that same logic.
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November 04 2014 21:23 GMT
#656
On November 05 2014 06:19 Fecalfeast wrote:
Ugh I hope neither LS or kelsier are cop. Cop dying before D2 is so bad.

I have a feeling Kelsier was joking around. There's no way he would have called it Detective, especially since after his "claim" he states several times that the role isn't called that, and it shouldn't be in a role PM.
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November 04 2014 21:26 GMT
#662
Tracker is reverse watcher. Watcher checks who visited the target. Tracker checks who the target visited.
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November 04 2014 21:29 GMT
#669
The problem with counterclaims is that we might have the setup with a doctor and a watcher.
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November 04 2014 21:33 GMT
#675
On November 05 2014 06:30 Breshke wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 06:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
The problem with counterclaims is that we might have the setup with a doctor and a watcher.


Yeah but as scum he would know that and wouldnt claim cop because if he is scum cop claim was probably to bait a CC

But nobody would oppose him that way. It's only when he's about to get lynched that he can buy himself another day. Then he can give out reads as needed. Maybe even sacrifice himself to kill two townies and waste a lynch, since, even though he dies, it stops any discussion? That last part I'm unsure about, but I could see myself doing a fakeclaim like that as scum.
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November 04 2014 21:36 GMT
#682
On November 05 2014 06:33 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 06:30 Breshke wrote:
On November 05 2014 06:29 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
The problem with counterclaims is that we might have the setup with a doctor and a watcher.


Yeah but as scum he would know that and wouldnt claim cop because if he is scum cop claim was probably to bait a CC

But nobody would oppose him that way. It's only when he's about to get lynched that he can buy himself another day. Then he can give out reads as needed. Maybe even sacrifice himself to kill two townies and waste a lynch, since, even though he dies, it stops any discussion? That last part I'm unsure about, but I could see myself doing a fakeclaim like that as scum.

Forgot there was a roleblocker. Scratch that theory, ofc he'd just claim roleblock. Or if he was real cop he'd still be roleblocked.
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November 04 2014 21:58 GMT
#744
On November 05 2014 06:57 KelsierSC wrote:
btw im not the cop so you should probably unvote from LS and vote imma or sentinal, both would be good lynches

Why did you claim
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November 04 2014 22:12 GMT
#785
On November 05 2014 07:03 KelsierSC wrote:
plenty of time to switch over there,

imma and sentinal mafia team awesome

Did you ever finish your case on me or was it two sentences long?
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November 04 2014 22:17 GMT
#796
On November 05 2014 07:12 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 07:08 batsnacks wrote:
KSC if you are town that is literally the worst play I've ever seen and you should be ashamed. But you're not because town doesn't kill the uncced cop.


I didn't believe the claim at all because he had played scummy all day , given terrible reads and then claimed "detective" which isn't even a role.


I was trying to draw out the bluff. I rescended my claim in plenty of time for people to change votes and no one did.

your mafia bats.

On November 05 2014 06:57 KelsierSC wrote:
btw im not the cop so you should probably unvote from LS and vote imma or sentinal, both would be good lynches

Three minutes?

You don't go into an eleventh-hour vote with "shenanis" as your intent. That's how scum sneaks their votes around in the confusion.
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November 04 2014 22:23 GMT
#800
What cases? I just saw you sheep Super's post a few times

On November 05 2014 06:02 KelsierSC wrote:
yeh so for sentinal,

Early game I made the point he had just come up with a load of mechanical stuff which is an easy way for someone to fake being town

I like this point that super brought up about him

Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 00:07 Superbia wrote:
On November 04 2014 05:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
So let's look at his returning post:

On November 04 2014 00:37 Superbia wrote:
Ha! You have all underestimated Superbia's Digging Company!

The play is pretty straightforward. Experienced town is never going to take the contract for these reasons:
- If I'm town, I'll be wasting my time tunneling on a townie (from their perspective)
- If I'm mafia, I'll have a great excuse to go hard on them all day.

Scum, however, is more likely to take the contract for the following reasons:
- WIFOM
- I'm not afraid of being watched, I swear!
- Easy fallback on "Wow I can't believe you actually tunneled me, you're dumb as shit"

Since Sentinel is an experienced player (apparently), I'm pretty sure he's mafai here. Him following the badsnacks pressure train (and FF/kelsier's push) on me doesn't help. Why agree and then go against it?

##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel

I wait for you to make an argument and see who, if anyone, sheeps it or incorporates it into their case on me. Then I can poke holes in it appropriately, and I have a list of people who are trying to sneak by under the floorboards while you attract all the attention. Making reads based on people's reactions to events is much easier when you're involved in said events. It eliminates one of the variables.


So let me get this straight, you accepted precisely because of this reason? And you planned this within 5 minutes?

On November 04 2014 05:46 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:

Fecalfeast -
On November 03 2014 11:06 Fecalfeast wrote:
Tunneling someone who volunteers, IMHO, sounds like some really unproductive stuff. Maybe I have an incorrect definition of tunneling. To just pick the first person who raises their hand and focus only on that person is to waste his time and energy on a gamble.

At least an RNG lynch opens up analysis for D2 based on votes. If the person he tunnels is town we have to decide what to do with super before we analyze votes. I don't see ANY upside to announcing: "I TUNNEL SOMEONE PLS VOLUNTEER" and actually following through.

If someone could enlighten me as to why he is town, that'd help a lot.


Why are you pushing someone for something that hasn't even happened yet? If you were really looking to catch scum you would wait for me to follow up and then evaluate from here. Pushing on someone for something insubstantial is pretty scummy: it's a losing strategy for town, and an easy way to get town-read as scum. Scum-lean on FF.

We're pushing more for a reaction from you, if anything. Just as a way to get you to come out, shrug off any suspicion that doesn't belong, and then proceed as needed. It's the beginning of the day - any votes this early are most likely going to be changed as needed.


Why are you answering for FF? Why do you presume to know what his goal is? This only makes sense if you know FF's alignment.


Then you look at the way he voted,

What about the way I voted was scummy to you?
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November 04 2014 22:34 GMT
#809
On November 05 2014 07:28 sicklucker wrote:
Im going with KelsierSC as a town here. He may have blotched it and got the cop killed but you can see what he was trying to do. I dont think he does this as mafia it makes no sense. The cop came out so theres no reason to do a high risk play to get him killed

I mean, he got the real cop killed and wasted a lynch. It's a start.
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#814
Wait bat did you think Immaterial was scum before KSC claimed he wasn't cop?
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November 04 2014 22:59 GMT
#827
On November 05 2014 07:47 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 07:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 05 2014 07:28 sicklucker wrote:
Im going with KelsierSC as a town here. He may have blotched it and got the cop killed but you can see what he was trying to do. I dont think he does this as mafia it makes no sense. The cop came out so theres no reason to do a high risk play to get him killed

I mean, he got the real cop killed and wasted a lynch. It's a start.


lol ok , where did you vote again?

I don't regret my decision. I didn't believe you. I was wrong. But LS seemed full of shit to me and that's how I voted. It's just like mislynching any other VT anyway, since he would've been useless due to roleblock
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November 04 2014 22:59 GMT
#828
KSC: scum
bats: not really.
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#835
On November 05 2014 08:02 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 07:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 05 2014 07:47 KelsierSC wrote:
On November 05 2014 07:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 05 2014 07:28 sicklucker wrote:
Im going with KelsierSC as a town here. He may have blotched it and got the cop killed but you can see what he was trying to do. I dont think he does this as mafia it makes no sense. The cop came out so theres no reason to do a high risk play to get him killed

I mean, he got the real cop killed and wasted a lynch. It's a start.


lol ok , where did you vote again?

I don't regret my decision. I didn't believe you. I was wrong. But LS seemed full of shit to me and that's how I voted. It's just like mislynching any other VT anyway, since he would've been useless due to roleblock


you didn't believe me but you voted on LS? he would have been un cc'd cop to you then

He could've been scum (who know setup) claiming cop in a cop-less setup.
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November 04 2014 23:07 GMT
#837
On November 05 2014 08:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 08:02 KelsierSC wrote:
On November 05 2014 07:59 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 05 2014 07:47 KelsierSC wrote:
On November 05 2014 07:34 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 05 2014 07:28 sicklucker wrote:
Im going with KelsierSC as a town here. He may have blotched it and got the cop killed but you can see what he was trying to do. I dont think he does this as mafia it makes no sense. The cop came out so theres no reason to do a high risk play to get him killed

I mean, he got the real cop killed and wasted a lynch. It's a start.


lol ok , where did you vote again?

I don't regret my decision. I didn't believe you. I was wrong. But LS seemed full of shit to me and that's how I voted. It's just like mislynching any other VT anyway, since he would've been useless due to roleblock


you didn't believe me but you voted on LS? he would have been un cc'd cop to you then

He could've been scum (who know setup) claiming cop in a cop-less setup.

Although by "I didn't believe you" I meant when you unclaimed, I didn't believe you'd fakeclaim and then retract it so close to the deadline.
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#840
On November 05 2014 08:07 KelsierSC wrote:
also he wouldn't have been useless due to roleblock, if we had watcher, watcher can watch cop and see who visits him.

If we have a watcher, scum would know. And if we have a watcher, that means there's no doctor. Meaning they can just kill him off since confirmed townie.
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#854
On November 05 2014 08:10 KelsierSC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 08:09 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 05 2014 08:07 KelsierSC wrote:
also he wouldn't have been useless due to roleblock, if we had watcher, watcher can watch cop and see who visits him.

If we have a watcher, scum would know. And if we have a watcher, that means there's no doctor. Meaning they can just kill him off since confirmed townie.


yeh and whoever visits him the watcher can see it. is mafia kill a visit?

I didn't think of that. Are you going to call me scum for being fallible?
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#888
On November 05 2014 08:21 Fecalfeast wrote:
I actually, when Kelly first CC'd, was thinking it was to call out a bluff since he said "recend it's the town thing to do" or whatever his actual phrasing was. I was fucking IN ON THE TRAP at that point. When you came back and pressed the issue further, I thought for sure you were really the cop.

I hates you right now kelsier.

Actually this to some extent. There's a point in my filter where I think you're joking, but that goes out the window once I see you start saying you're cop again.
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November 06 2014 00:03 GMT
#1007
Serejai is making much more sense today.
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November 07 2014 01:42 GMT
#1128
Wednesday and Thursday are my heavy class days. I'm in my last class rn

##Vote: [UoN]Sentinel
placeholder vote
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November 07 2014 01:53 GMT
#1134
On November 07 2014 10:46 Serejai wrote:
Pretty sure the rules state you cannot vote for yourself.

Fuck you BH it's a legitimate mechanic

##Unvote
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November 07 2014 17:27 GMT
#1262
Alright I'm back for good. At least until Blizzcon starts.

Time to read thread and make sense.
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#1266
Reads:

Serejai - On one hand, inactives make sense. But then again, those are the people who can't defend themselves. Why go after them? Easier to make a case when there are no direct counterarguments?

On November 08 2014 02:34 Serejai wrote:
sicklucker must have asked for help in mafia chat, and Sentinel showed up to save him from being lynched.

Also this conspiracy shit is pissing me off.

Elvis! - I like his all-around pressuring. I mean both sides could do this, but he's commanding thread presence and inserting himself into the conversation and starting discussion, which gives him a few townie points in my book. Mostly he's been posting about:

sicklucker - He's on the defensive a lot, which makes sense because he's the one getting pressured, but I feel like his prime goal atm is to stay alive as opposed to finding scum. But he too is still actively participating, even if "participating" largely consists of defending against Elvis. Null-scum.

Immaterial - Not here. I'd like to wait until his return though. Prolly going to get replaced.

KelsierSC - Well there's the b
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#1267
I have to get out my roommate is getting it on
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November 07 2014 19:48 GMT
#1293
I don't like KSC for the D1 "shenanis" but at least he has had valid points since then. Kush does not.

I'd rather get rid of the useless one who isn't even trying to contribute.

##Vote: kushm4sta
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#1340
I'm off for the Blizzcon party.

Vote for kush.
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#1734
Alright. I'm hung over and still pretty mad about yesterday's power outages.

rayn and I are in the same dynamic as Resistance. I think I can go 2 for 2 and call him scum now.
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November 08 2014 21:49 GMT
#1740
On November 09 2014 06:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 06:41 Breshke wrote:
I woke up late but theres a weird interaction between ff and sentinel if they are a scum team ill find it and show you rayn. I find it really hard to put sentinel into a team because the only person i can see him lining up with is immaterial but since rayn replaced him it doesn't seems like less of a world. I still think sentinel is scum though.

Sentinel talks about his scumbuddies and is generally more inactive as scum than as town.
I played as scum with him a year or so ago in a game where kush was also mafia and he just bussed one other dude and half of my time in the game went into yelling him and kush to post more.

I do that as a town too. Namely Cell Mini.
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November 10 2014 06:06 GMT
#2123
##Vote: Serejai
##Unvote

##Vote: Breshke
##Unvote

##Vote: Elvis!
##Unvote

##Vote: ObiWanShinobi
##Unvote



##Vote: raynpelikoneet
##Unvote

##Vote: sicklucker
##Unvote

##Vote: batsnacks
##Unvote

##Vote: FecalFeast
##Unvote

##Vote: Superbia
##Unvote
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#2129
On November 10 2014 15:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2014 15:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
##Vote: Serejai
##Unvote

##Vote: Breshke
##Unvote

##Vote: Elvis!
##Unvote

##Vote: ObiWanShinobi
##Unvote



##Vote: raynpelikoneet
##Unvote

##Vote: sicklucker
##Unvote

##Vote: batsnacks
##Unvote

##Vote: FecalFeast
##Unvote

##Vote: Superbia
##Unvote


mind telling us your partner?


kushm4sta
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November 10 2014 07:20 GMT
#2131
On November 10 2014 16:10 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 10 2014 16:07 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 10 2014 15:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
On November 10 2014 15:06 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
##Vote: Serejai
##Unvote

##Vote: Breshke
##Unvote

##Vote: Elvis!
##Unvote

##Vote: ObiWanShinobi
##Unvote



##Vote: raynpelikoneet
##Unvote

##Vote: sicklucker
##Unvote

##Vote: batsnacks
##Unvote

##Vote: FecalFeast
##Unvote

##Vote: Superbia
##Unvote


mind telling us your partner?


kushm4sta


wuddabout da other wun?


What, are we both conceding already?
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November 10 2014 08:43 GMT
#2135
##Vote: Serejai
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November 10 2014 09:05 GMT
#2137
On November 10 2014 18:02 Breshke wrote:
Sentinel who is mafia?

Don't ask questions you don't want to know the answer to
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November 10 2014 16:44 GMT
#2189
I didn't shoot rayn you silly gooses
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#2195
On November 11 2014 01:48 batsnacks wrote:
I wouldn't hold it against you if you told us who did.

It wasn't me and it wasn't rayn. That means it was one of the rest of you
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#2198
On November 11 2014 02:01 Serejai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2014 01:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Breshke is semi-confirmed for pushing kush on D2 over other lynches (like bats).


Wasn't it you that said kush likes to be bussed when he plays scum, though? Someone here mentioned that, so Breshke could've been doing that.

Definitely
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#2202
I'm not the mafia tho
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#2203
All of your assumptions hinge on the fact that I am but I'm not
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#2216
On November 11 2014 04:39 Serejai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2014 04:34 Blazinghand wrote:
Gentle reminder that voting is mandatory


I like it when you're gentle with me... but sometimes I like it rough, too. A girl has needs.

Hey man it's a two way street. Didn't even thank me for roleblocking you twice in a row.
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#2217
On November 11 2014 03:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 11 2014 02:37 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
All of your assumptions hinge on the fact that I am but I'm not


Acting like a useless sack of scum isn't helping your case you jub.

What is a jub
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#2218
On November 11 2014 03:57 Fecalfeast wrote:
What a fun game you must be having, sentinel.

Yeah holy shit now I know why kush does this
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#2219
On November 03 2014 07:36 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
I'm going to guess we have 1 scum from the first seven, one from the last six, and one somewhere in there. Probably also in the latter six since 10-3 is a town-favored setup.

This wasn't just a "guess" btw
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#2223
On November 11 2014 05:17 Elvis! wrote:
Well, let's do this I guess, tomorrow is the day sicklucker dies. (He still thinks everyone is reading him town for some reason).
##Vote [UoN]Sentinel

I think he's town and I'm the only one that matters so his assumption is right.
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#2287
GG all!

Wish I could've played better but Blizzcon and hangover sapped my motivation
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#3564
Sweet jesus I can't believe I'm on the winning side

Also, Obs QT disappoints. I'm only mentioned twice
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