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Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 09 2014 07:39 GMT
#1818
On November 09 2014 16:29 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 14:29 Breshke wrote:
On November 09 2014 14:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On November 09 2014 13:09 Breshke wrote:
serejai/bats- Town

Sent/one of the new guys - Mafia

Other than sent im not actually sure I havn't thought about it that much and the only reason it isn't you or superbia is because I don't think you guys are with sentinel. Also I give you a certain amount of town cred because without

On November 08 2014 06:58 Fecalfeast wrote:
would shennannie onto kush if others are here


I don't think kush would have been lynched.


How is it that you came to the conclusion that Sentinel and either me/rayn are mafia?

Both of us want to kill him, so this means that you think one of us is bussing him because unicorns.


I don't think it is sentinel and fecal/superbia because of reasons ive already said and im reading everyone else town in this order of decreasing townness (serejai bats Elvis Sl0. If sentinel isn't scum then ill actually need to look back at stuff for fecal and superbia because they could easily be a scum team. I have no idea about you and rayn because rayn has started really strong and my gut read on you obi is that you are town because i think you would be trying harder if you got replaced in as mafia but you've probs replaced in as town and considering we just lynched mafia and there was a doc save you dont feel like you need to. I also find it hard to read your allighnments by trying to take into account what i thought of the people you replaced because that feels wrong. So i only have you and raynthere because of no reasons. I could easily be wrong on someone especially fecal and superbia.


SO brekes I see where your at and im at a similar spot. Theres only one solution to solve all of your fears. lynch FF. If one of the new guys are mafia ff is almost certainly with them because they are pushing sent. If ff and superbia are a team as you believe is possible if you lynch ff you solve that problem too. And if its sent kush+ 1 ff is also the most likely scum.

I feel lynching ff is a 100% win percentage while lynching sent is probably only like 80


Where did you get these percents from? Why do you think ff is scummier than sent? Also why are you jumping on a read that I said was basically just a gut feeling? I could easily be just as wrong on you or anyone else other than serejai.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 09 2014 08:49 GMT
#1837
sicklucker why is sentinel your top scum. Don't say you've said reasons before I want you to lay it out for me because if he is your top scum it shouldn't be that hard.

I get that you want to lynch ff because you think he is in more worlds but im here to lynch scum not to lynch whoever fits into the most scum teams.

Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 09 2014 08:58 GMT
#1844
On November 09 2014 17:53 sicklucker wrote:
Sent is not a newb hes hosting another mafia game. Hes so dejected from this game he only logs on to do night actions not even to change his votes, hes just given up


Ok now tell me why we should lynch ff instead of the guy you think is scum that has given up
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 09 2014 09:13 GMT
#1853
Cheers ff ive been lazy today, motivation feels gone when i don't have to try convince poeple to lynch kush.

Here's the problem ff, i don't really know about sl im more inclined to think that he is just new town i don't know. He seemingly wants to lynch you for information when for one i don't know why your lynch gives us so much more info and two its better to lynch scum than to try and lynch for information.

Also the last quote that you put for his case on you really bugs me.

SO brekes I see where your at and im at a similar spot. Theres only one solution to solve all of your fears. lynch FF. If one of the new guys are mafia ff is almost certainly with them because they are pushing sent. If ff and superbia are a team as you believe is possible if you lynch ff you solve that problem too. And if its sent kush+ 1 ff is also the most likely scum.


So he says that because i suspect the replacements i should want to lynch you because you could be in a team with them . Did you actually read my post SL? I respect the replacements because i was looking for a partner for sentinel. You are assuming sentinel is town if ff is with obi/rayn so that then means my read is out the window and i don't agree with you.

You are getting frustrated like we arn't listening to you sl but you need to explain stuff and actually read our posts as well if you want to convince people.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 09 2014 09:15 GMT
#1855
On November 09 2014 18:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
If it really gives you that much information somehow to kill me, do it. I've never been killed in 6 games of mafia, this one being my 7th so I don't really mind. I'm VT but we can spare another town if it really gives you so much info that you figure the game out from it.


Don't write stuff like this, town should never want to die its never good to die for "information"
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 09 2014 09:15 GMT
#1856
On November 09 2014 18:07 sicklucker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 17:58 Breshke wrote:
On November 09 2014 17:53 sicklucker wrote:
Sent is not a newb hes hosting another mafia game. Hes so dejected from this game he only logs on to do night actions not even to change his votes, hes just given up


Ok now tell me why we should lynch ff instead of the guy you think is scum that has given up


Everyone has said the last two scum are probably ff and sent. So to me it didnt matter the order. Ive said many many times I think its better to vote out ff just for the fact the unknowns in this game all want sent gone and not ff . I also think if theres two potential people to vote on we GAIN INFORMATION from who votes where. Ive said this so many times.


I've actually wrote that i have reasons to think sent and ff isn't a team
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 09 2014 09:16 GMT
#1858
On November 09 2014 18:16 Fecalfeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 09 2014 18:15 Breshke wrote:
On November 09 2014 18:13 Fecalfeast wrote:
If it really gives you that much information somehow to kill me, do it. I've never been killed in 6 games of mafia, this one being my 7th so I don't really mind. I'm VT but we can spare another town if it really gives you so much info that you figure the game out from it.


Don't write stuff like this, town should never want to die its never good to die for "information"

I agree I was being facetious I guess that's hard to do over the internet.

can I add /f to that post?


haha sorry i thought you were getting all melodramatic on us
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 09 2014 09:28 GMT
#1863
I'm not going to apologize for you feeling like I am interigating you. The questions i ask i ask because they help me think of the game from your point of view or if im confused about stuff you are saying (like lynching ff over sent) it helps lear it up for me. As town yes its frustrating but you have nothing to hide so dont get all defensive/angry about someone asking you questions

Ive given my opinion on the matter i don't think ff and sentinel are a team. Yes ff could be scum with anyone else but I think sentinel is mafia and until shown otherwise or someone has a better case than the case on sentinel i will be voting for him
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 09 2014 09:48 GMT
#1867
On November 09 2014 06:51 Breshke wrote:
Okay the interaction wasn't as big a deal as i thought it was

Fecal makes this case

Show nested quote +
On November 04 2014 12:05 Fecalfeast wrote:
On November 03 2014 07:22 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 03 2014 07:16 Superbia wrote:
Welcome to Superbia's tunneling company!

I am currently offering a lucrative one-of-a-kind tunneling contract! Signing this contract means I tunnel the utter shit out of you today, most likely resulting in your lynch.

Are you town enough to survive the tunnel? Are you mafai and feel like taking a risk? First come first serve!

I'll take the contract with the extended sheeping plan. I make the most rational decisions on the way to the chopping block anyway.

Also, this is my first game of mafia where I no longer have swim practice. Which means i should,be able to operate much more efficiently now!

I agree with superbia in saying that a good town wouldn't take this contract if he thought it was serious.


After signing up for the tunnel, he starts to talk about game setup and host-based WIFOM rather than talking about what the superbia post really means. At this point the superbia post has been beat to death and then beat some more but at the time of this post the only other comment on it was batsnacks' vote.

Even after batsnacks less-than-subtly points out why the speculation is useless sentinel continues to talk about host-based wifom.

It's not until I explain that BH wouldn't offend the RNG gods that he reconsiders yet leaves in "I stand by my practice of rigging games." Not to sound nitpicky but that seems like a trolly leave-behind to get people talking about RNG-rigging rather than the game at hand.


Now let's look at his actions after the fabled tunneling professional returns. I'm going to be quoting from this post

I wait for you to make an argument and see who, if anyone, sheeps it or incorporates it into their case on me. Then I can poke holes in it appropriately, and I have a list of people who are trying to sneak by under the floorboards while you attract all the attention.

Well, here's the first person to incorporate super's logic in his case. Come at me, brother.

Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post.

So elvis looks scummy for wasting town's time talking about someone he thinks is unimportant? What about wasting town's time talking about game setup information that can never be confirmed, is that scummy?

Then this post.
On November 04 2014 10:20 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 04 2014 06:55 Elvis! wrote:
On November 04 2014 05:50 [UoN]Sentinel wrote:
On November 04 2014 02:30 Elvis! wrote:
so posting something trolly on the second page makes someone scummy, inflicts (apparently) massive amounts of chaos and confusion. Okay I guess. So we should be having ~5 scum caught already since a lot of people posted stuff like that on the first couple of pages.

The difference is that what Superbia did became central to our discussion. Hell, even my post about RNG-rigging could have been a similar reason to pressure vote me, although I was around to clear up the discussion while Superbia went to sleep.


Well then even you say that your post was as trolly/chaotic as superbia's? A scum slip this early?

We had different motivations to same effects. I was trying to work out a way to help find scum by way of setup. He was trying to find scum by setting out a trap. Neither ended up working and ended up in disorder, his more than mine.

On November 04 2014 06:58 Elvis! wrote:
Why would town Elvis continue to mention that your post was trolling if he was trying to get people to discuss something else? That doesn't seem very sensible to me; it just refocuses discussion on the nature of your post.


Sooooo in what way is saying that this is an unnecesarry topic bringing the focus back to it? Especially most of my posts were in a row and people didn't even have time to write something in between?

Well, here are all the posts in your filter, in order, starting with #6 and ending with #10:

+ Show Spoiler +
On November 03 2014 11:31 Elvis! wrote:
As a note on Superbia:
His disputed post just seems so trolly, wanna see if he actually pulls through (which would be retarded as fuck - I'm not used to Superbia doing stuff that stupid), so I'll not go on the wagon yet.
If he actually does that shit, holy moly he's gon get lynched.

On November 03 2014 11:32 Elvis! wrote:
Also I can't get any reasonable townreads as of yet, since everyone is just reading into an obviously trolly post.

On November 03 2014 11:33 Elvis! wrote:
If superbia doesn't pull through we'll just have wasted a fuckton of time going after someone with like 2 posts.

On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:
Not wanting to sheep superbia, his post is really weird, just don't know if it's town weird or scum weird until he posts again

On November 03 2014 11:38 Elvis! wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 03 2014 11:37 KelsierSC wrote:
There are other things to discuss outside of supers post


Make an example


Pretty much focused on Superbia, but also note that you call it an "obviously trolly post", and also say that if Superbia does nothing then the whole discussion is a waste of time. But then why perpetuate the discussion with five more posts in a row? You're filling a quarter of a page in a game where the volume of posting is low on a player who you deem irrelevant to events.


let's look at the timestamps of elvis' posts you quoted in the spoiler.
November 03 2014 11:31
November 03 2014 11:32
November 03 2014 11:33
November 03 2014 11:38
November 03 2014 11:38


You're making him seem like he's trying to derail discussion multiple seperate times yet all the posts you quote are from a 7-minute period of time. Your logic only follows if people perpetuated the discussion because of elvis and, to be honest, the only person to do that is you.



Kush wants to vote on sentinel at EoD1

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On November 05 2014 05:57 kushm4sta wrote:
On November 05 2014 05:55 KelsierSC wrote:
On November 05 2014 05:53 kushm4sta wrote:
basically due to the closed nature of this game, LS is now a terrible lynch because his alignment can be confirmed at lylo.


i'd be down for a sentinal lynch as well.



can u link me or summarize a case sir?


He gets linked ff's case and after just 3 minutes (which he got inged out for because there was no way he read it all.)

Show nested quote +
On November 05 2014 06:00 kushm4sta wrote:
good case. scummy misrep on elvis.

##unvote
##vote sentinal



So kush and ff would have basically been trying to bury their partner at EoD1 and gotten him lynched.

I feel like im making too many associative reads though.


This isn't like they can not be a team 100 percent i just think it isn't likely because obviously mafia can buss.

I shouldn't be confirmed town to you, you can think im really town but dont just blindly sheep my reads.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 09 2014 10:01 GMT
#1871
rayn means D1 and he has a point, the thing i thought that made you (ff) and sentinel an unlikely team isn't that important/meaningful.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 09 2014 22:47 GMT
#1994
Elvis im going to try and make you understand.

First do you believe that serejai was roleblocked twice?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 09 2014 22:51 GMT
#2002
On November 10 2014 07:50 Elvis! wrote:
Bresh nope.
Give me a good reason to believe him, he's around null for me atm.


If someone else was roleblocked do you not think they would say? Because then serejai is obviously lying and is most likely mafia? Do you not agree so therefore by the lack of CC she is telling the truth right? Like whether she is mafia or town she was roleblocked yes?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 09 2014 23:07 GMT
#2018
On November 10 2014 08:05 Superbia wrote:
Like I'm not going to live in a world where mafia doesn't shoot.


Taken from the OP

Mafia Goon
Every night, the mafia team must choose a player to kill, and a team member to perform the kill.


I don't think mafia can no kill
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 09 2014 23:13 GMT
#2031
On November 10 2014 08:07 Elvis! wrote:
So there is a couple of cases where I don't agree:
Since they don't want a confirmed townie, they blocked someone else the second night, thus his claim is wrong.
They blocked themselves 2 times which you already pointed out.
Since a lot of people (me included) haven't been particularily clever this game, someone might not out themselves being blocked in fear of getting lynched.
As Serejai posted they could have not shot for whatever reason. So medic could have been blocked, and medic doesn't wanna out before lategame because he's gonna get killed if he does.
This is the same reason why I think bats outing of being medic is either really stupid or wrong (could still be town or mafia).
Like if he's mafia, the real medic wouldn't cc, since claiming medic is retarded before endgame.

I'm not saying this is a lot of propability.
But it's not 100% and there could be mafia strategy behind it.


I don't think you are thinking about this right elvis.

If they blocked someone else the second night where is the CC?

Also yes ive pointed out they could block themselves twice but did you actually read that post. If bats is telling the truth or even if he isn't mafia obviously went for a kill which was a high priority medic save. Why would they run the risk of letting the medic get a save. They wouldn't use their roleblock twice on themselves. I really believe they thought serejai was medic because grack was easily who i thought was going to be medic saved N1 so they probably thought they stopped serejai from healing him.

Why would you get lynched for saying you were blocked? This is a terrible mindset you are thinking more about your own survival than giving town the information they need to win

Also from what the Op says i don't think they can no kill.

So for you to believe that serejai isnt town you need to think mafia is willing to waste their roleblock two nights in a row and are willing to try and kill a high priority target who was likely to be medic saved.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 09 2014 23:14 GMT
#2032
If bats claim isn't real im not going to be impressed because of how annoyed he got at KSC
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 09 2014 23:36 GMT
#2050
On November 10 2014 08:29 Elvis! wrote:
Just a thing to think about:
Night one, mafia blocks serejai and someone else kills grack, the medic tried saving someone else.
Night two, mafia blocks serejai who was gonna perform a kill.
Now the mafia serejai would be confirmed town and isn't gonna die like... ever?
They lose a kill and gain at least one confirmed town.

Now a different one:
bats is mafia and claims doctor.
Mafia roleblocks them selves night two.
The doctor doesn't cc, since if he cc's later he can save people first and still kill a confirmed mafia later, when maybe there is only 1 mafia left.
Meanwhile, mafia has a confirmed town all the while and might convince people that the cc at the end isn't correct.

both these scenarios aren't likely, but they can be true and would be a strategy mafia could do.
Obviously there is a lot of WIFOM in this.
This just justifies why people aren't 100% confirmed for me, since I want people to take me seriously because what I'm posting isn't stupid, it's just scenarios that prove they're not 100%.

In my mind, getting a confirmed town as mafia is a thing they really really want to have.


Scenario 1

I think this is possible but not likely. It makes sense to me that they roleblocked serejai night one because she like grack was someone who didn't lynch the cop. It also makes sense that they thought she was medic because im suprised the real medic didnt try save grack.

The second one is bad in my opinion. So you think bats and serejai are the two mafia left? Why wouldn't the doctor cc? What if they die in the night they lose us 2 confirmed town (themselves and who they saved) Also in their eyes serejai is confirmed mafia. So we lynch serejai and then there is only one mafia left, even without a medic i think that is a great situation and don't see why they would CC.
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 10 2014 00:54 GMT
#2104
Superbia do you think serejai is town?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 10 2014 00:54 GMT
#2105
thats ment to say do you think she is mafia
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 10 2014 01:00 GMT
#2107
Also serejai have you explained your "god read" yet?
Breshke
Profile Joined July 2014
Australia3749 Posts
November 10 2014 05:53 GMT
#2121
Anyone around?
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