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On November 13 2014 07:33 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2014 07:31 ritoky wrote:On November 13 2014 06:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Also HF is despicable for taking advantage of a player who doesn't know any better, but that's a conversation for a different time and thread.  i disagree with this entirely, and take a lot of offense to this comment. i knew full well what i was doing accepting HF's assertion. yes it ended up backfiring on me, but he agreed with my case that lynched mafia day 1 so i was willing to take the risk for a while. like i said if it was 4 or 3 with HF alive, i was lynching HF 100% of the time; i had already made the conscious decision. you shouldn't talk shit and underestimate players. it was that same line of thinking that had 0 people listening to my reads that were 80% on mafia almost all game. This is a frankly shocking justification; if a player is telling the thread something that isn't true, then you say so. I don't care if you "knew full well what you were doing", because what were you were doing was bad. Whatever upside you think there was in letting the thread believe a lie, it wasn't worth it and it was never going to be worth it.
i agree and disagree. i think had i not gotten busy with work at an inopportune time, i would have corrected it sooner in the thread (but hindsight is a bitch huh?). however, in terms of personal experience and my opinion it served as a very good function of continuity for at least day 2, i would probably play it the same for the second day doing it over; the 3rd and beyond is questionable.
your criticism is obtuse though. "don't lie as town" yeah....right.
i also think there is a problematic meta on these forums from my personal experience where certain players value others' opinions way too highly and disregard others' opinions way too quickly. but that's another can of worms.
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Blazinghand
United States25550 Posts
if it makes you feel better ritoky I treat all players equally in terms of consideration. I would never consider paying extra attention to a player just because he's a "vet" or has played more games.
Of course, I never pay attention to anyone's ideas but my own and that of RNG, but the point stands: I'm very equitable in my ignorance.
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United Kingdom36156 Posts
I didn't say "don't lie as town" although I basically never lie as town, I can't think of an instance.
What if you died N1? Then again you are handing mafia a freewin essentially. You may have had the best intentions but unfortunately it was a full-on throw.
If HF is town he doesn't need you calling him confirmed, and if he's mafia, then well... the game happened.
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On November 13 2014 06:32 VisceraEyes wrote:
It's a misspelled reference to the Malazan Book of the Fallen series.
That sounds boss.
I might look those books up.
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On November 13 2014 07:31 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2014 06:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Also HF is despicable for taking advantage of a player who doesn't know any better, but that's a conversation for a different time and thread. i disagree with this entirely, and take a lot of offense to this comment. i knew full well what i was doing accepting HF's assertion. yes it ended up backfiring on me, but he agreed with my case that lynched mafia day 1 so i was willing to take the risk for a while. like i said if it was 4 or 3 with HF alive, i was lynching HF 100% of the time; i had already made the conscious decision. you shouldn't talk shit and underestimate players. it was that same line of thinking that had 0 people listening to my reads that were 80% on mafia almost all game.
Yea I thought you had said you knew he wasn't mod confirmed but went with it anyway. I don't know if you realize this. But from my perspective at least. Part of the reason that Town wasn't listening to you was that you set up HF to be MOD CONFIRMED town. That means the he is TOWN FOR SURE 100%. And as he also is (presumably) a good town player and therefore people followed his lead. And as he was leading town astray with mislynching people. The thread had trouble saying hey that's scummy or HF might be scum. Because you as someone who also looked townie gave him your credence and therefore made it less likely that people would call out HF on being scummy.
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On November 13 2014 07:49 marvellosity wrote:
I didn't say "don't lie as town" although I basically never lie as town, I can't think of an instance.
What if you died N1? Then again you are handing mafia a freewin essentially. You may have had the best intentions but unfortunately it was a full-on throw.
If HF is town he doesn't need you calling him confirmed, and if he's mafia, then well... the game happened.
we didn't even claim masons until d2, irrelevant.
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On November 13 2014 07:31 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2014 06:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Also HF is despicable for taking advantage of a player who doesn't know any better, but that's a conversation for a different time and thread. i disagree with this entirely, and take a lot of offense to this comment. i knew full well what i was doing accepting HF's assertion. yes it ended up backfiring on me, but he agreed with my case that lynched mafia day 1 so i was willing to take the risk for a while. like i said if it was 4 or 3 with HF alive, i was lynching HF 100% of the time; i had already made the conscious decision. you shouldn't talk shit and underestimate players. it was that same line of thinking that had 0 people listening to my reads that were 80% on mafia almost all game.
Whoa calm down there tiger. I'm not "talking shit" OR "underestimating" you. But the fact remains that you accepted mod-confirmation of Holyflare WITHOUT MOD CONFIRMATION. Like, that is a fact. It was an observation I made. I say you didn't know any better because you literally didn't know any better. You took HF's word being confirmed and you let the thread think as much as well.
I'm not saying you're to blame, and I'm not saying you're bad - you were one of the most clear townies in the game. What I'm saying is that the fact that you may not necessarily understand some of the mechanics behind the mason and its subsequent claim came into play when HF decided to play that way, and he's a bastard for it.
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OH JESUS FUCKING CHRIST YOU EVEN KNEW HE WASN'T MOD CONFIRMED AND YOU DIDNT TELL US?!?!?!?!?
FUCK YOU RITOKY! FUCK YOU!
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I'm going to talk shit about you in every game I play with you from now until the end of time for you getting defensive about KNOWING HF was not mod-confirmed town and not telling us. Fuck you and your "Oh don't talk shit "FUCKING NO! You deserve EVERY OUNCE of flak thrown at you if that's the fucking case ritoky. EVERY FUCKING OUNCE if that is your assertion.
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I was even trying to take credit for this loss. Fucking unreal. Fuck you ritoky.
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
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On November 13 2014 08:37 VisceraEyes wrote:
OH JESUS FUCKING CHRIST YOU EVEN KNEW HE WASN'T MOD CONFIRMED AND YOU DIDNT TELL US?!?!?!?!?
FUCK YOU RITOKY! FUCK YOU!
Rofl VE. Yea I was surprised there was not more comment on this. It was the biggest thing that helped mafia for sure.
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VE its kind of funny you mentioned wanting to ask if it was actually mod confirmation. Cause I had already asked granted HF answered me instead but ritoky didn't nay say it either
On November 06 2014 13:39 jaybrundage wrote:
ritoky- So is it mod confirmed that you and HF are town?
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On November 13 2014 08:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm going to talk shit about you in every game I play with you from now until the end of time for you getting defensive about KNOWING HF was not mod-confirmed town and not telling us. Fuck you and your "Oh don't talk shit "FUCKING NO! You deserve EVERY OUNCE of flak thrown at you if that's the fucking case ritoky. EVERY FUCKING OUNCE if that is your assertion.
nice reads.
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On November 13 2014 09:53 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2014 08:38 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm going to talk shit about you in every game I play with you from now until the end of time for you getting defensive about KNOWING HF was not mod-confirmed town and not telling us. Fuck you and your "Oh don't talk shit "FUCKING NO! You deserve EVERY OUNCE of flak thrown at you if that's the fucking case ritoky. EVERY FUCKING OUNCE if that is your assertion. nice reads.
Yeah hard to get reads when fuck-up townies don't give accurate information. Get the fuck outta here kid.
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Games over VE calm down we all are to blame for the mod confirmed we didn't push hard enough or get enough of an answer. Just let it go and we won't make this mistake next time.
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United Kingdom30774 Posts
On November 06 2014 14:07 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 13:53 liancourt wrote:
How is ritoky and hf confirmed town?
Did someone seer them?
First time i am hearing this. We were masoned together day1 -> night 1, we formed the case that lynched mafia. The mason pm confirmed that we were town together.
Calm down, he clearly thought the opposite.
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On November 13 2014 11:36 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2014 14:07 ritoky wrote:On November 06 2014 13:53 liancourt wrote:
How is ritoky and hf confirmed town?
Did someone seer them?
First time i am hearing this. We were masoned together day1 -> night 1, we formed the case that lynched mafia. The mason pm confirmed that we were town together. Calm down, he clearly thought the opposite.
On November 13 2014 06:52 VisceraEyes wrote:Also HF is despicable for taking advantage of a player who doesn't know any better, but that's a conversation for a different time and thread.
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BH, I still don't understand why you've tunnelled me.
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On November 13 2014 11:50 GlowingBear wrote:
BH, I still don't understand why you've tunnelled me.
RNGesus told him to. Go read his FFL1 filter for a more detailed explanation on how BH likes to spend his D1's.
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