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On October 14 2014 06:42 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 06:33 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Now, if there was one person who could reveal wave (and myself's) alignment through a lynch, who would you press? That's easy, and I've been meaning to say it. Tolkien and Wave were both strong defenders of MoonBear at the end, with Wave randomly picking out Asmo after nobody mentioning him for awhile and Tolkien pushing for Jeff. If we lynch Ghandhi and he flips Mafia, then we can be pretty damn sure Tolkien is Town: it makes no sense to try to start momentum away from a Townie and on to Scum when the vote was still in the air. Wave is less certain because he went on Asmo which was essentially a no-lynch vote.
Alzadar, a quick correction, Wave has actually been heavily on Ghandi for a long time. Since the start of the game actually. So tolkien and wave would be fairly cleared
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On October 14 2014 06:57 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 06:47 ketchup wrote:On October 14 2014 06:42 Alzadar wrote:On October 14 2014 06:33 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Now, if there was one person who could reveal wave (and myself's) alignment through a lynch, who would you press? That's easy, and I've been meaning to say it. Tolkien and Wave were both strong defenders of MoonBear at the end, with Wave randomly picking out Asmo after nobody mentioning him for awhile and Tolkien pushing for Jeff. If we lynch Ghandhi and he flips Mafia, then we can be pretty damn sure Tolkien is Town: it makes no sense to try to start momentum away from a Townie and on to Scum when the vote was still in the air. Wave is less certain because he went on Asmo which was essentially a no-lynch vote. Alzadar, a quick correction, Wave has actually been heavily on Ghandi for a long time. Since the start of the game actually. So tolkien and wave would be fairly cleared Are you sure? Go back and read Wave's posts. His opening post he votes Ghandhi yes, but it was basically just trolling (in the true sense) at that point, there was no argument behind it. He doesn't mention Jeff at all again until page 6 of his filter. Then close to the lynch deadline he wanted to save MoonBear, but he throws away his vote on Asmo instead of on the close candidate, Jeff, who he's apparently distrusted the whole time? Why?
Don't ask me why, but Wave has been consistent about him really feeling nervous about how ghandieagle was playing throughout the game. As much as I dislike a lot of how Wave plays, he's consistent with his information. It might be that asmo's last post in the thread really sent him a red flag, but if you noticed Wave's post earlier, it has ghandi(aka Jeff) as a scum read still
On October 14 2014 05:13 WaveofShadow wrote:
Yeah so I just realized a quarter of the posts in this thread belong to me. At the risk of not much discussion occurring in my absence, I'm done until after deadline. You guys can keep it up. I bereave.
In case I die, scumreads are
Soniv
Asmo
Look into Coma/Alz/Jeff
Null on owb but leaning town. Also on LT---LT SHOULD be town but lord has his posting been shit today.
mordek/ketchup/Req/Cixah/Alaric
Don't let anyone fall off the radar.
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On October 14 2014 06:57 Alzadar wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 06:47 ketchup wrote:On October 14 2014 06:42 Alzadar wrote:On October 14 2014 06:33 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Now, if there was one person who could reveal wave (and myself's) alignment through a lynch, who would you press? That's easy, and I've been meaning to say it. Tolkien and Wave were both strong defenders of MoonBear at the end, with Wave randomly picking out Asmo after nobody mentioning him for awhile and Tolkien pushing for Jeff. If we lynch Ghandhi and he flips Mafia, then we can be pretty damn sure Tolkien is Town: it makes no sense to try to start momentum away from a Townie and on to Scum when the vote was still in the air. Wave is less certain because he went on Asmo which was essentially a no-lynch vote. Alzadar, a quick correction, Wave has actually been heavily on Ghandi for a long time. Since the start of the game actually. So tolkien and wave would be fairly cleared Are you sure? Go back and read Wave's posts. His opening post he votes Ghandhi yes, but it was basically just trolling (in the true sense) at that point, there was no argument behind it. He doesn't mention Jeff at all again until page 6 of his filter. Then close to the lynch deadline he wanted to save MoonBear, but he throws away his vote on Asmo instead of on the close candidate, Jeff, who he's apparently distrusted the whole time? Why?
Ah I see what you are saying now that I've re-read this post. My fault! Maybe I've been reading this thread too long.
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On October 14 2014 08:29 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
apparently my timing is also unfortunately convenient given tolkien is just now getting antsy about my lurking.
its legit coincidence.
Get that post in fast since end of night is in 30 minutes.
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On October 14 2014 09:01 Lord Tolkien wrote:
RIP
RIP. I was actually looking forward to your posts today. QQQQQQQQQ
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I wouldn't mind be against a vote on Req or Asmo today. Mostly for reasons explained earlier. I don't feel comfortable voting on Soniv or Wave just yet still. I'm comfortable in a world where either Wave or Soniv have scum tendencies / third party as long as it is only 1 in 2.
The LordTolkien kill seems odd to me. It doesn't seem like a great scum move. I don't see how this helps scum, but it could be likely they felt he was a blue role. Anyone want to help me?
Also can we take the lack of more kills to mean that there was a medic save or something that stopped the scum from using their KP? I'm leaning towards that being the most likely case. I know people don't like this type of speculation, but I have to think about it/write it out.
Despite my hesitations from earlier day 1, I really like Alzadar's last few posts. I feel like he is finally on the right track, and it's a town track.
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On October 14 2014 11:37 Cixah wrote:
1) the scum do not have a role blocker. If they did, it is likely it would have been used on me in order to prevent the mod confirm from going out giving them a free mislynch on day 2.
In the interest of having more information for town. I can tell you that I was role blocked night 1. So there is a role block power flying around out there. I'm unsure why they used it on me. From a town perspective, it doesn't make sense to use it on me. From a scum perspective, it probably does, but impossible to speculate properly.
I mean it probably shouldn't be said, but just in case, I don't want to know who did it if it's town.
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I kind of don't like the Ghandi push. I didn't like it day 1, and I don't like it now. Aside from the first few trolly/one liner posts on Day 1, he hasn't actually hurt town. I might even had a part to play in him being taken off the bandwagon that was forming by wave+tolk on day 1.
I don't think a potential ghandi + scum crew would kill tolkien after tolkien kept pinging out Ghandi repeatedly. It just doesn't make sense to me. I'm sure people can go into various scenarios, but it won't help anything. The only reason Tolkien wanted to lynch ghandi was to clear himself + wave(a lesser bit). Now that he is dead, there's very little reason to vote for Ghandi that will help town in the long run. If tolkien wasn't killed, I would have followed the ghandi wagon, but I don't see it how it helps us now.
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I still think Req is playing oddly. I have no idea why he voted on ComaDose. He never even pinged out ComaDose in those information posts he made. He did ping out Alaric as seeming scum, but he hasn't actually done anything about it. Req has yet to vote on someone he actually thinks is scum, and is happy to ride the bandwagons. Also I found this interaction between Req and tolk interesting:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 14 2014 04:20 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 04:18 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2014 04:17 Lord Tolkien wrote:On October 14 2014 04:14 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2014 04:09 Lord Tolkien wrote:On October 14 2014 04:04 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2014 03:59 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Or better yet, at the people wasting their votes D1 and not consolidating on the two wagons.
HINT HINT You're very aggressive about instigating mobs. I don't know how forum mafia goes, but in my opinion the better play is to get the town working together. Fearmongering, shitposting, and capslocking doesn't make you look innocent or like a team player. Please shape up or stop. I've already given my reasoning for my vote. I will welcome any discussion into my behavior, because truth is how Town will succeed in life. You wasted your vote lol. Wave wasnt getting lynched d1 ever and all you did was give scum more room to influence or hide their votes. This is the scummiest attitude that I've ever seen. Either you are a shit-tier poster or you're bad at being scum. Either way, I'd rather have reasonable Scum!Wave live longer than take the chance that you're Town. This type of posting isn't constructive, it's just setting town back. And it's blatant about it. If you're seriously not scum, you're just hurting the team instead of trying to do anything constructive. Please, respond to me in any trollish shit you haven't used yet (which, let us remember, includes youtube videos, quoting Lonely Island, allcaps, blaming your phone for making you a shitter, and yelling "disregard"). You have much experience with scummy attitudes then? Yeah, I hang out in TLLOLOTGDT Touche. But that doesn't carry over into mafia. I find the evolution of your thread voice...interesting.
It's not 100% anything, but it was interesting to me. I think tolk could have gotten behind my Req vote. This interaction was also more interesting than his interaction with Ghandi.
I also found Req's reaction to tolkien showing up as town as bad as Asmo's earlier on:
+ Show Spoiler +On October 14 2014 09:25 Requizen wrote:
I am bad at reads. On October 14 2014 11:08 Requizen wrote:
There are 11 of you left. There are at least 3, possibly 4 of you trying to kill me. And I have no idea which ones.
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Asmo hasn't talked since the night cycle. Well that's not true. He posted once, and then stopped. I was waiting for him to talk about Soniv with Wave, but he never did. I think I would like to see a lot more from Asmo. Asmo has yet to respond about his night post he made after the lynch was set even though multiple people have spoken about in this thread.
Right now, I would vote Req or Asmo.
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Lastly, between Wave and Soniv, I feel like Wave tunnels and Soniv pockets people. Of the two, despite my posts, I find Wave to be more town orientated than Soniv. I find Wave has done multiple things to help town solve the game and occasionally, he lines up with what I'm thinking. Whereas Soniv has actually shut down quite a bit in this game, and is not really useful for town. I also find Soniv's pocketing to be a lot scarier than Wave's tunnel vision. I think a lot of Soniv's posts have been attempts to pocket people with him. It doesn't seem like town play the way he does it. I really think Soniv is a good vote as well.
+ Show Spoiler [pocket plays?] +On October 14 2014 07:50 jcarlsoniv wrote:Y'know, I come out of Alzadar's filter actually thinking he's more townie. There were some posts I remember that I thought were surely scum leaning, that register to me differently this time around. Example: Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 04:46 Alzadar wrote:
Bandwagon? I was the first to suspect Cixah, decided to actually vote cause Wave seems antsy to have us vote, and I trust him as our fearless Townie leader.
Strategic talk: if you hold the oldest vote on someone (as Ghandhi did), you shouldn't change it arbitrarily, you're giving up tiebreak power. First time around, the first part of the post seemed odd and sheepish to me - reflecting what I said earlier about him saying things to satisfy the thread. But before this post, he put Wave at probably town, and so this reads more as someone who is collaborating with someone he kinda sorta might trust a little bit. Also, the second part exemplifies another quality of his general posting. He's been talking about setup stuff here and there (a fair amount of it earlier on), and usually it's not very productive or helpful and often distracts town. But rereading, he asks coherent questions that apply to the game flow, they show that he's invested in the goings on and is paying attention (despite backwards canadiansgiving). His filter comes off with more of a town vibe than I expected it to. It did remind me of two things as well. 1. The IC claim was at a really weird time. That's right, I'm lookin' at you 6ah. I really hope that confirmation comes through or D2 is going to be very boring lol. 2. I want to take a look at Ket Chup. He's someone who I haven't really noticed even though I know he's been posting quite a bit. He will probably be my next focus. Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 07:39 Lord Tolkien wrote:
If wav and sonib are mommy and daddy, what does that make me? The young twink that daddy's having an affair with? the mistress This parrots Alzadar and pockets him. On October 14 2014 10:13 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 10:09 WaveofShadow wrote:
Which would fit with the rest of your play.
lol soniv and of course you're willing to bury the hatchet, 'cause it's my hatchet and it would be aimed at your head if not for dis gai over here
The fun part is if Jeff flips scum you look eeeeeeven worse (though I suppose I do too for dropping the wagon initially lolol) Eh, if you were really aiming it at my head, you'd be aiming it at my head. You dropped that case quick, and you were so unbelievably excited. Meh, I don't mind looking bad if Jeff dies. We get to kill Jeff and mafiascum. He really easily pockets Wave here. Wave has kinda dropped his Soniv accusations for Ghandi. On October 12 2014 06:39 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Yeah I'm not quite following either wave. Why would it be a problem to ask MB his reads - I would love to see him come to an actual conclusion as well. This has no context since soniv didn't quote my post, but I think he tried to pocket me, so I turned around and voted on him the first time. For context: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468739-tllolotgdtm?page=22#440On October 14 2014 11:10 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 11:08 Requizen wrote:
There are 11 of you left. There are at least 3, possibly 4 of you trying to kill me. And I have no idea which ones. that's the fun of the game! This might be just being friendly, but it could also be some weird interaction between the two. Either Soniv pocketing or Req/Soniv swagging on us if they are scum together.
Just looking at the above, I think soniv is really good at getting people on his side or in his pocket(I'm sorry I picked up the word). The only reason I'm not there is because I've been suspicious of him since he tried it with me early on. I think it's worth to point this out about soniv.
In fact, the current bandwagon on ComaDose started from Soniv, and unsurprisingly, the people who he has in his pocket voted alongside him within minutes of his initial post. I don't think this bandwagon on Coma serves any good purpose. One person on Coma was enough, but this quick 3 vote post is crazy.
+ Show Spoiler +On October 14 2014 10:53 jcarlsoniv wrote:Jeff, actually the majority of your posts the entirety of D1/N1 boil down to this: "I think Wave is scum. But nobody is voting him so oh well I guess I'll vote someone else". There's some things about MB and why you put your vote where it is, some stuff about ketchup, but your first 72 hours of game is just bleh. Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 07:32 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
TBH the reason I'm avoiding actually saying anything substantial is because I suck at the game and want to play my cards close to my chest until I legitimately learn what good ideas even are in this game.
But nobody else is able to throw around anything but baseless conjecture anyways so I don't think that I'm really that far behind in terms of actual tangible contribution.
I was trying intentionally to aggravate Wave to bait him into telling me more about the game without me actually asking, in order for me to get better. Wave gets mad in this game really easily though so tbh there was a lot of entertainment value there.
One thing I have noticed, is that Coma hasn't been speaking. Is there a precedent for lurkers being scum?
This is a really shitty post. Keeping your cards close to your chest is ok, but you had done literally nothing up til that point. Even Req got his reads out there, albeit poorly - you hadn't contributed anything. That said, I'm not so convinced on you after rereading the filter. So for now ##unvote
##vote ComaDose On October 14 2014 10:59 Alzadar wrote:
I actually like the Coma call better than Ghandhi. He's #1 lurker with less than a page filter and most of it is just vague questions.
Let's see what the man has to say.
##Vote: ComaDose On October 14 2014 11:15 Requizen wrote:
Whatever, I'm going to do this:
##Vote: ComaDose
Either:
a) You are scum and deserve it
or
b) You'll actually post a decent amount during this day cycle instead of getting drunk and screwing a moose
I would vote Soniv. I really still think the interaction between Req + Soniv needs to be looked at by someone other than me.
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I'm sorry I wrote too much. Maybe I should have broken that post into five different posts for clarity.
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Also of the quick successive votes on Coma, only Alzadar is townie to me.
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On October 14 2014 13:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright ketchup if you're telling the truth about your RB (just read your post) then you are either an EXTREMELY well-playing scum, 3P, or town. I'm not willing to believe the first of those options right now. Can you explain to me why you pushed back against a Jeff lynch so hard yesterday (and seemingly want to do so again)? It was pushed yesterday by both me (who you currently believe is town apparently) and LT who is confirmed.
To start off. I have not lied this game yet, and I don't think you can say I'm lying now. I was role blocked night 1. I am NOT sure why.
Secondly, It's not hard to see I push back on you day 1. I really don't enjoy your tunnel vision on day 1. You saw that then. I know that some people can spot scum from first impression scum, but I can't put my faith in it. I couldn't take the chance that you were somehow manipulating the votes in your favor if you were scum. I also want to say that this was also around the time that moonbear was very inactive, and I brought up the idea that moonbear could be modkilled. To me, I REALLLLLLLLLLLY didn't want to see two kills on day 1 for town. I think I've said this before, but when I posted the mod kill scenario, it was 1hr45min until day end. I still think I was justified in the post. As soon as moonbear responded, I felt he was not genuine, and will be very unhelpful for town so I voted him. I didn't want to see a moonbear that played that way, live on to see day 2 no matter what he was. His filter was 13 posts. I had no problem with the moonbear kill.
Ghandi also responded then, and I felt he was fairly genuine. You also said that his response did kinda win you over. Today, I don't know if I see a world where ghandi + crew are brave enough to vote tolkien and somehow think they won't get backslash. Does Ghandi seem prepared to you to take backlash like scum should have been? I think a ghandi kill today does not help town. So yes, I can
##Vote: Soniv
I just don't think it will gain traction.
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I should have worded the first part better, and missed words in the start of the 2nd:
Secondly, It's not hard to see why* I pushed* back on you day 1
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On October 14 2014 13:25 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 13:25 Requizen wrote:
"Happy to ride bandwagons"? "Have yet to vote on anyone I think is scum"? Both my D1 votes were on LordT and Wave, both of whom I was vocal about being scum and neither of whom were bandwagon votes.
I voted 6ah now because my top scum vote died and was VT. I don't have confidence right now and am more interested in seeing Coma participate than I am trusting my own feelings atm. This was at Ketchup, btw
You don't actually go after people you think are scum. What happened to Alaric? Is he still scum for you? HOW is he scum for you? HOW is asmo leaning town to you. He is lurking harder than Ghandi was day 1. He made ONE post during the night stage, and at least ghandi had an excuse(school). So, I see a lot of odd inconsistency with your play. Wave thinks you aren't scummy, but Tolk felt these odd inconsistency with your demeanor as well. What happened to noob Req who doesn't know anything about the game? What was your reason for playing Day 1 that way? You sure were really confident in the night stage, and now you are back to not knowing anything at all? You are somehow going to vote comadose who already had 2 votes on him? Please. Try harder. Try to push people you actually think are scum. Give me good reasons please.
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I did say I would lay off Wave, but there are a few possibilities here that work.
Wave can easily be 3p.
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Same as how he feels I can be 3p or some crazy amazing first time scum player
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On October 14 2014 14:10 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 14:07 ketchup wrote:
I did say I would lay off Wave, but there are a few possibilities here that work.
Wave can easily be 3p. Fair, but I think that needs to be dropped for now. We don't even know if we have poisoner yet (because lets be fair, if either of us is survivor then we're playing protown so it doesnt matter) and won't have any idea of that until we see the death count tomorrow night (and even then it could be iffy).
Yep, which is why I didn't spend more sentences on it. Just clarifying that the 3p role exists.
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Damnit Asmo. Why do you have to post something legit on me like this.
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I do want to see what Soniv responds with. If this is bandwagon'd, I'm going to go crazy.
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On October 14 2014 14:19 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On October 14 2014 14:02 ketchup wrote:On October 14 2014 13:25 Requizen wrote:On October 14 2014 13:25 Requizen wrote:
"Happy to ride bandwagons"? "Have yet to vote on anyone I think is scum"? Both my D1 votes were on LordT and Wave, both of whom I was vocal about being scum and neither of whom were bandwagon votes.
I voted 6ah now because my top scum vote died and was VT. I don't have confidence right now and am more interested in seeing Coma participate than I am trusting my own feelings atm. This was at Ketchup, btw You don't actually go after people you think are scum. What happened to Alaric? Is he still scum for you? HOW is he scum for you? HOW is asmo leaning town to you. He is lurking harder than Ghandi was day 1. He made ONE post during the night stage, and at least ghandi had an excuse(school). So, I see a lot of odd inconsistency with your play. Wave thinks you aren't scummy, but Tolk felt these odd inconsistency with your demeanor as well. What happened to noob Req who doesn't know anything about the game? What was your reason for playing Day 1 that way? You sure were really confident in the night stage, and now you are back to not knowing anything at all? You are somehow going to vote comadose who already had 2 votes on him? Please. Try harder. Try to push people you actually think are scum. Give me good reasons please. Literally what are you talking about. I spent most of D1 talking about how Wave and LordT were my top picks. I may have said some others were wishy washy. Go into my filter, either you are misremembering or fearmongering. I spent the first part of D1 half paying attention and shitposting, and after people yelled at me for it I changed my attitude. My only big posts were after my 2 big picks. I voted for both of them. I never started a witch hunt on either Alaric, in fact I didn't say anything about him until N1. I had no reason to vote him. And even that Night post was unsure.I jumped on the Coma train because my confidence is shattered after my #1 turned up VT. I don't know how I can get this across to you any clearer. If I need to explain it again, you are clearly scum. I could understand why you would want to start pressure against me, but I don't know any reason why you would do it in such an incorrect, hamfisted manner unless you are scum that is trying to start yet another mislynch. If anyone needs to try harder, it's you.
I never said you started a witch hunt on Alaric. BUT your post containing him did call him scummy. What makes him scummy? What did you see that was scummy? I'm telling you that despite your insistence that you are town, you haven't done anything. I wouldn't even mind if you talked about Alaric for 40 pages or analyzed every single one of his line of posts, because at least you'd be doing something.
I felt this comadose train was really uninspired, and I called you out on it.
lol okay dude. I need to try harder. Please.
On October 14 2014 14:29 Requizen wrote:
fyi ketchup, you made the scum list. Congrats.
Coma still retains the vote until I'm sure who else I want to vote for. I could unvote, but I do wish to see how he will respond to the votes on him at the moment. I don't have any current intention to leave it up if I like his response. That said, it better be good, Coma.
lmao feel free to do that dude. I think you are so off base with a lot of your information that it makes no sense for you stick to them like you are doing. Now actually, go do something with your supposed scum list. Coma has also responded in the earlier pages if you hadn't noticed.
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Please Req, make a case against me if you think I'm scum. I'll be happy because at least it would show you are playing this game.
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Interestingly enough, I have to re-evaluate you because you were on point with your Asmo read, and which is why I keep asking for more information on your Alaric read.
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