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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
October 13 2014 18:44 GMT
#921
His #1scumread is me lel
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 13 2014 18:46 GMT
#922
On October 14 2014 03:43 WaveofShadow wrote:
You're not reading, are you soniv? Tsk tsk.
I know who his scum reads are.


On October 14 2014 03:44 Lord Tolkien wrote:
His #1scumread is me lel


oh right, that's why I disregarded it
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 13 2014 18:47 GMT
#923
On October 14 2014 03:17 WaveofShadow wrote:
I really wish Alaric would stay and discuss shit rather than explode all over the thread and the leave to do it again.

But I'm fucking slow! And you guys post so much.

0K I'll try, catching up to what was said while I was writing and cooking dinner.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 13 2014 18:48 GMT
#924
And me.
Are you disregarding that?

On October 14 2014 01:20 Requizen wrote:
To that end I'm going to go through filters and post my thoughts given the results of last night. I will skim through somewhat quickly, as the thread is fairly large, so link me to anything I may miss about a person. They will come as the day progresses.

At the moment, my two biggest Scum reads are still Wave and LordyT. Partially left over from last night, partially because my reasoning still feels good to me. Wave because what I posted above, LordT for the reasons I discussed yesterday. Additionally:

-his early "role call" was highly suspicious
-His list of players is highly iffy. Knowing that MoonBear was VT and (myself) knowing I am not scum, he noted us as scummy. Knowing that he and Wave are on my watchlist, he noted them as townish. And he calls Alzadar scum for "not paying attention to him", which is very much attention drawing.
-His vote changed plenty enough for me to be suspicious. I understand using votes as pressure, but he jumped to many people I don't find suspicious/think may very well be town, and he helped push the MoonBear train pretty hard.

These two are my top picks atm. Please respond with criticism/discussion, or if you are the accused respond with your rebuttal.

On October 14 2014 00:54 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 00:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:
But here's the thing wave. You took a lead in town position just because your first post was a "follow me to victory" post. You've been very aggressive yes, but you've also been pretty defensive in the face of any criticism. You were incredibly indecisive for the rest of the day, keeping your vote unplaced for longer time than I'd expect after you criticized me early game for not placing my vote. On top of that, you wanted to enact some last minute "shenannies". A scum wave would absolutely know how to manipulate a newbie town, so excuse the town for not trusting your "judgement" thus far.

This is largely how I'm feeling. Wave, your actions are suspicious. You're quick to jump on other people's posting because they don't line up with what you like, yet when people do the same to you, your defense and martyr shield comes up very quickly*. You also have used posts claimed to be "noob moves", such as claiming VT as your first D1 post and causing arguments instead of converstaion.

These actions make you scummy. You're quick to accuse people of starting chaos when you, yourself, have been causing a clamor. Rather than helping the town progress naturally, you are either:

a) Town and trying to force the Town to play your way
or
b) Scum and doing Scum things

Both are bad, one is grounds for lynching. And, if you are Town, then all you're doing is drawing death N1.

+ Show Spoiler +
*But, knowing your personality, you're not the type to take criticism easily, much like myself. Even if you don't want to admit it, this may be just your natural reaction.

On October 14 2014 00:56 Requizen wrote:
That said, I think my focus has been too largely on Wave lately. This in and of itself makes me think Scum, using himself as a distraction for other Scum.

Time to go into filters and weed out my town.


There has also been a fair amount of discussion on both me and Tolkien stemming from Req's posts, so you're not reading the thread.
Good to know.
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 13 2014 18:49 GMT
#925
Seriously, anybody who hasn't really started looking in depth into Soniv needs to start.
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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
October 13 2014 18:52 GMT
#926
Alaric: Also, it depends. Guessing scum motivation for their night kills is the height of wifom, so i wouldnt try until we get some scum flips. They could fish for blues, strong towns, or good reads. Or confirmed town. Don't bother.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
ComaDose
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Canada10357 Posts
October 13 2014 18:55 GMT
#927
On October 14 2014 02:18 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Also Coma. Pls. Soniv is cleared for his push onto MB.

can you tell me what i miss as to why? is it because he just stuck with his original gut feeling?
you were on again off again on the moonbear train too. and it seems like for the most part you and soniv only have good things to say about each other. i.e. soniv desregarding scummy reads on you and you saying he is clear now. Can you explain more?
BW pros training sc2 is like kiss making a dub step album.
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 13 2014 18:57 GMT
#928
Alzadar's filter is odd. Lots of fluff posts early, then some decent ideas, but something seems off about him. Can't put my finger on it.

I'll look into Soniv next, Wave. I can say my focus hasn't been on him much.
It's your boy Guzma!
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 13 2014 18:58 GMT
#929
Oh wow I completely missed the series of posts where coma came back and Tolkien said soniv is cleared.
Yeah coma your first post upon coming back is kinda meh. Gonna need to see a lot more from to come.

Tolkien, tell me you weren't serious about soniv being cleared.
plz.
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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
October 13 2014 18:58 GMT
#930
On October 14 2014 03:55 ComaDose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 02:18 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Also Coma. Pls. Soniv is cleared for his push onto MB.

can you tell me what i miss as to why? is it because he just stuck with his original gut feeling?
you were on again off again on the moonbear train too. and it seems like for the most part you and soniv only have good things to say about each other. i.e. soniv desregarding scummy reads on you and you saying he is clear now. Can you explain more?

Soniv pushed the MB train hard. Scum usually don't want the attention early for pushing a town mislynch D1. Much better to look at the people following the train and sheeping.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 13 2014 18:59 GMT
#931
On October 14 2014 03:57 Requizen wrote:
Alzadar's filter is odd. Lots of fluff posts early, then some decent ideas, but something seems off about him. Can't put my finger on it.

I'll look into Soniv next, Wave. I can say my focus hasn't been on him much.

This alone should be suspicious. Scum are playing well when they draw no focus.
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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
October 13 2014 18:59 GMT
#932
Or better yet, at the people wasting their votes D1 and not consolidating on the two wagons.

HINT HINT
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
October 13 2014 19:01 GMT
#933
On October 14 2014 01:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
I don't think those were contradictory---I think Alz was saying it was anti-town that discussion was being stifled not, that I was the one doing it. He can clarify though.


You've got the right of it.

On October 14 2014 03:59 WaveofShadow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 03:57 Requizen wrote:
Alzadar's filter is odd. Lots of fluff posts early, then some decent ideas, but something seems off about him. Can't put my finger on it.

I'll look into Soniv next, Wave. I can say my focus hasn't been on him much.

This alone should be suspicious. Scum are playing well when they draw no focus.


Although true I guess, it this really "suspicious"? If it's suspicious to not be under suspicion...
I am the Town Medic.
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
October 13 2014 19:01 GMT
#934
On October 14 2014 03:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
And me.
Are you disregarding that?

Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 01:20 Requizen wrote:
To that end I'm going to go through filters and post my thoughts given the results of last night. I will skim through somewhat quickly, as the thread is fairly large, so link me to anything I may miss about a person. They will come as the day progresses.

At the moment, my two biggest Scum reads are still Wave and LordyT. Partially left over from last night, partially because my reasoning still feels good to me. Wave because what I posted above, LordT for the reasons I discussed yesterday. Additionally:

-his early "role call" was highly suspicious
-His list of players is highly iffy. Knowing that MoonBear was VT and (myself) knowing I am not scum, he noted us as scummy. Knowing that he and Wave are on my watchlist, he noted them as townish. And he calls Alzadar scum for "not paying attention to him", which is very much attention drawing.
-His vote changed plenty enough for me to be suspicious. I understand using votes as pressure, but he jumped to many people I don't find suspicious/think may very well be town, and he helped push the MoonBear train pretty hard.

These two are my top picks atm. Please respond with criticism/discussion, or if you are the accused respond with your rebuttal.

Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 00:54 Requizen wrote:
On October 14 2014 00:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:
But here's the thing wave. You took a lead in town position just because your first post was a "follow me to victory" post. You've been very aggressive yes, but you've also been pretty defensive in the face of any criticism. You were incredibly indecisive for the rest of the day, keeping your vote unplaced for longer time than I'd expect after you criticized me early game for not placing my vote. On top of that, you wanted to enact some last minute "shenannies". A scum wave would absolutely know how to manipulate a newbie town, so excuse the town for not trusting your "judgement" thus far.

This is largely how I'm feeling. Wave, your actions are suspicious. You're quick to jump on other people's posting because they don't line up with what you like, yet when people do the same to you, your defense and martyr shield comes up very quickly*. You also have used posts claimed to be "noob moves", such as claiming VT as your first D1 post and causing arguments instead of converstaion.

These actions make you scummy. You're quick to accuse people of starting chaos when you, yourself, have been causing a clamor. Rather than helping the town progress naturally, you are either:

a) Town and trying to force the Town to play your way
or
b) Scum and doing Scum things

Both are bad, one is grounds for lynching. And, if you are Town, then all you're doing is drawing death N1.

+ Show Spoiler +
*But, knowing your personality, you're not the type to take criticism easily, much like myself. Even if you don't want to admit it, this may be just your natural reaction.

Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 00:56 Requizen wrote:
That said, I think my focus has been too largely on Wave lately. This in and of itself makes me think Scum, using himself as a distraction for other Scum.

Time to go into filters and weed out my town.


There has also been a fair amount of discussion on both me and Tolkien stemming from Req's posts, so you're not reading the thread.
Good to know.


I disregarded it because I didn't and don't think LT is scum. I did a quick skim of his filter summation posts tonight and he hasn't done one for LT, so it had slipped my mind.

As for his suspicions of you, he said he thinks he's placed too much focus on you, and I already said I'm tabling my concerns of you as well for now.

On October 14 2014 03:57 Requizen wrote:
Alzadar's filter is odd. Lots of fluff posts early, then some decent ideas, but something seems off about him. Can't put my finger on it.


The thing that's setting me off about him is that ever since we chastised his early posts, he seems to be saying things that he thinks the town wants to hear, rather than what he's actually thinking? Idk, hard to put it in words. I'll really dig into it more in a few hours.
Soniv ||| Soniv#1962 ||| @jcarlsoniv ||| The Big Golem ||| Join the Glorious Evolution. What's your favorite aminal, a bear? ||| Joe "Don't call me Daniel" "Soniv" "Daniel" Carlsberg LXIX ||| Paging Dr. John Shadow
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 13 2014 19:02 GMT
#935
On October 14 2014 03:58 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 03:55 ComaDose wrote:
On October 14 2014 02:18 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Also Coma. Pls. Soniv is cleared for his push onto MB.

can you tell me what i miss as to why? is it because he just stuck with his original gut feeling?
you were on again off again on the moonbear train too. and it seems like for the most part you and soniv only have good things to say about each other. i.e. soniv desregarding scummy reads on you and you saying he is clear now. Can you explain more?

Soniv pushed the MB train hard. Scum usually don't want the attention early for pushing a town mislynch D1. Much better to look at the people following the train and sheeping.

That's not true in the slightest. Scum are happy to secure a mislynch since it's often very difficult to specifically pin it on any one person. Hell I don't think Soniv can take credit for MB going down on his own at all, simply the standing out factor is that he stood his ground. You can even look at that either way saying 'oh well he must be town because he stood his ground even in the face of a mislynch and the potential for him looking bad---no scum would want that' 'or 'he must be scum because the lynch was showing the potential of being carried elsewhere by wave/people who switched to Jeff (Note to self: Have another good look at the Jeff wagon) so he stood his ground to keep it there.'

Both options are equally likely to me--people have been calling me scum for trying to head lynches on people---do I look like I'm afraid to take any heat?
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
October 13 2014 19:04 GMT
#936
On October 14 2014 03:59 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Or better yet, at the people wasting their votes D1 and not consolidating on the two wagons.

HINT HINT

You're very aggressive about instigating mobs. I don't know how forum mafia goes, but in my opinion the better play is to get the town working together. Fearmongering, shitposting, and capslocking doesn't make you look innocent or like a team player. Please shape up or stop.

I've already given my reasoning for my vote. I will welcome any discussion into my behavior, because truth is how Town will succeed in life.
It's your boy Guzma!
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 13 2014 19:04 GMT
#937
On October 14 2014 03:59 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Or better yet, at the people wasting their votes D1 and not consolidating on the two wagons.

HINT HINT

Too late, already brought that up.
Req has explained his rationale, and everyone already knows mine. I mean clearly I was trying to hide my vote by blatantly switching and asking everyone else to switch with me
/scumtactix
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WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 13 2014 19:06 GMT
#938
On October 14 2014 04:01 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 03:48 WaveofShadow wrote:
And me.
Are you disregarding that?

On October 14 2014 01:20 Requizen wrote:
To that end I'm going to go through filters and post my thoughts given the results of last night. I will skim through somewhat quickly, as the thread is fairly large, so link me to anything I may miss about a person. They will come as the day progresses.

At the moment, my two biggest Scum reads are still Wave and LordyT. Partially left over from last night, partially because my reasoning still feels good to me. Wave because what I posted above, LordT for the reasons I discussed yesterday. Additionally:

-his early "role call" was highly suspicious
-His list of players is highly iffy. Knowing that MoonBear was VT and (myself) knowing I am not scum, he noted us as scummy. Knowing that he and Wave are on my watchlist, he noted them as townish. And he calls Alzadar scum for "not paying attention to him", which is very much attention drawing.
-His vote changed plenty enough for me to be suspicious. I understand using votes as pressure, but he jumped to many people I don't find suspicious/think may very well be town, and he helped push the MoonBear train pretty hard.

These two are my top picks atm. Please respond with criticism/discussion, or if you are the accused respond with your rebuttal.

On October 14 2014 00:54 Requizen wrote:
On October 14 2014 00:48 jcarlsoniv wrote:
But here's the thing wave. You took a lead in town position just because your first post was a "follow me to victory" post. You've been very aggressive yes, but you've also been pretty defensive in the face of any criticism. You were incredibly indecisive for the rest of the day, keeping your vote unplaced for longer time than I'd expect after you criticized me early game for not placing my vote. On top of that, you wanted to enact some last minute "shenannies". A scum wave would absolutely know how to manipulate a newbie town, so excuse the town for not trusting your "judgement" thus far.

This is largely how I'm feeling. Wave, your actions are suspicious. You're quick to jump on other people's posting because they don't line up with what you like, yet when people do the same to you, your defense and martyr shield comes up very quickly*. You also have used posts claimed to be "noob moves", such as claiming VT as your first D1 post and causing arguments instead of converstaion.

These actions make you scummy. You're quick to accuse people of starting chaos when you, yourself, have been causing a clamor. Rather than helping the town progress naturally, you are either:

a) Town and trying to force the Town to play your way
or
b) Scum and doing Scum things

Both are bad, one is grounds for lynching. And, if you are Town, then all you're doing is drawing death N1.

+ Show Spoiler +
*But, knowing your personality, you're not the type to take criticism easily, much like myself. Even if you don't want to admit it, this may be just your natural reaction.

On October 14 2014 00:56 Requizen wrote:
That said, I think my focus has been too largely on Wave lately. This in and of itself makes me think Scum, using himself as a distraction for other Scum.

Time to go into filters and weed out my town.


There has also been a fair amount of discussion on both me and Tolkien stemming from Req's posts, so you're not reading the thread.
Good to know.


I disregarded it because I didn't and don't think LT is scum. I did a quick skim of his filter summation posts tonight and he hasn't done one for LT, so it had slipped my mind.

As for his suspicions of you, he said he thinks he's placed too much focus on you, and I already said I'm tabling my concerns of you as well for now.

Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 03:57 Requizen wrote:
Alzadar's filter is odd. Lots of fluff posts early, then some decent ideas, but something seems off about him. Can't put my finger on it.


The thing that's setting me off about him is that ever since we chastised his early posts, he seems to be saying things that he thinks the town wants to hear, rather than what he's actually thinking? Idk, hard to put it in words. I'll really dig into it more in a few hours.

LOL
NO YOU DIDN'T
On October 14 2014 03:42 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 14 2014 03:19 Requizen wrote:
On October 14 2014 03:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
MORDEK SCUMSLIP
YOU HEARD IT HERE FIRST

Also Req I'm going to go ahead and say while it's nice that you're getting your reads out, it isn't strictly helpful to town to be vomiting everything all at once. Should be focusing specifically on who is scum and why as that is our job---if someone you think is town gets attacked then you can describe why you disagree and whatnot to prevent mislynching. Focus is key.

Just my two cents.

As I said before, I'd rather have all cards on the table from everyone. If someone gets shot/poisoned tonight and their correct read goes unposted, then that hurts the town.

For example, I said that I think mordek is town. If I die tonight, but am right that he's not scum, I hope that my posts can help narrow down who is.

You're correct in that the converse is more focused and just as important - if someone dies, that means their scumreads may be accurate and will cause an investigation. But the opposite is just as important.

That said, scum can also just choose to kill someone who thinks that they are town, to draw suspicion away. That's why giving reasoning why you don't think someone is scum is just as important - so someone who disagrees with you can still investigate.


Vomiting all your reads, especially as you are doing, really isn't helpful though. Sure, it's important to know where peoples' reads lie. But something like what you're doing would be more important for someone who had concern of being shot tonight, and had some really important read/case to get out there before he thinks he's going to die.

I'm glad you're putting time in to formulate reads, but I wish it had a bit more direction. I'd love to know your #1 scum read. You've given several reads so far, but most of them are pretty null. The only one you're really leaning scum on is Alaric, which is someone who's fairly widely considered townie.

LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, I PRESENT TO YOU, A SQUIRMING SCUM CAUGHT IN A LIE
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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
October 13 2014 19:06 GMT
#939
I'll say this. If you believe Ghandi is scum, look at the MB wagon. If you think keff is just bambi, look at the non-votes.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
WaveofShadow
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada31495 Posts
October 13 2014 19:08 GMT
#940
You didn't disregard, you didn't read. Req has been blasting me as scum since forever and you SPECIFICALLY stated you 'don't know' who his reads are, and now you are trying to backtrack.
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