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On October 15 2014 03:37 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Once again, I state - this is why LT is dead. He was the only one who realized that I was town. Someone mentioned to look at his last post, and it says "if unsure, a Wave or Soniv vote works D2". However, I am where everyone's focus went immediately, and what's happening right now is a bandwagon through and through. And you can bet your ass that scum are happy it's happening.
I'll grant you that LT wasn't outright calling for your lynch, but he definitely didn't "realize you were town", he was pretty suspicious of you.
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Those are things he said earlier in the day. His last post was this:
On October 14 2014 08:14 Lord Tolkien wrote:
At work still so this EoN post will be much shorter than what i normally spew out.
1) fking jeff. Im extremely unhappy he's still afk lurking. This isnt making you seem more town you know, and now im really getting serious about tunneling you. If Req can put in effort so can you.
2) Soniv or Wave wagon fine if questionable for d2. Should still press other options.
3) Again, depending on what alignment you think jeff is, examine the votecount. if jeffs scum in your eyes, scum is more likely on the MB wagon. If town, they're likely anywhere, but probably were idling on non-votes. The MB counterpush at EoD was pretty palpable.
4) lots of people will be reevaluated when i get home. Highly doubt ill get shot lol. If so, lelscum.
5) snip
His opinion changed as dawn got closer. You aren't cleared if lynching you is "fine".
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On October 15 2014 04:46 Cixah wrote:
For a 2, potentially 3 faction game we have 6 factions and that shit needs to stop.
Our lynch today from my perspective feels like we glean the most from Ghandi, Soniv doesn't feel right here to me. We need a lynch on scum today and I feel like Ghandi is the best still, even close to 24 hours later.
Ketchup and Alza, You two have been a little quiet today for my tastes. Not the worst thing in the world, but I need to know your opinions here. You have the gun in your hand right now, are you killing Soniv, Ghandi, or Req. Ignore any other out lying factors.
The answer's in my vote. We learn roughly equal things from Soniv and Ghandhi lynches, but Soniv is more dangerous left alive if he's scum.
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Yeah, Req strikes me more as erratic Town than as Mafia.
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I have plenty of interest in the game, I just don't know what else to add at this point. I've stated my four suspects for town enemies (in order: Ghandhi, Soniv, Asmo, Req). Those haven't been changed by anything so far. Right now my vote is on my #2 pick, who is the current lynch candidate. I think we can learn a lot by flipping Soniv, but I'm willing to go Ghandhi instead if the majority wills it.
Something that hasn't been mentioned: there is a cop among us. Don't try to figure out who it is (or if you do, keep it to yourself), but realize that one of us has true knowledge about someone else.
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On October 15 2014 11:56 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 11:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:Jeff, you never answered my question: On October 15 2014 08:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 15 2014 08:39 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I was following the Wave-Soniv thing with a lot of interest, and Soniv is still my #1 most wanted. Right now, he's the only lynch other than me (but I'm innocent, I'm afraid) that tells us a lot. What does it tell us Jeff? I want to hear it in your words, I don't want anyone else answering this question. Req has little to no connection with me, so lynching me has no impact on how he flips. You pursued him closely, but never really gained traction for it. Despite this lack of traction, you still made a push for it. If you flip red he's finally essentially proven townie and will sort out this whole mess with him. If you flip green, I think everyone would be ok with a Req lynch (or at least force his potential blue role). I think if you flip red Alzadar is also under a lot of consideration. When you flip red you'll also finally prove me innocent, something that nothing else but my own death will do (since Wave and Ketchup are pretty damn town). My point is that you have a connection with many more players than I do. Other than passing exchanges, right now I really only have significant connections with you, Wave, and Ketchup, and we know most about those people. You're the only real question mark tied with me, and maybe Coma is as well.
I'd like to see to hear you expand on this claim, I'm baffled to hear how Soniv flipping red would point at me.
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On October 15 2014 11:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +
To me, this says that Jeff is sacrificial scum: the scum (read: Soniv) know he's going down eventually, but they're going to try and put off a lynch on him until they get as many lurky town-peeps as possible. Definitely Coma, but I don't know if it ends there. Maybe Soniv rounds back on Alz (but here my reasoning gets less event-based, so let's avoid mere ideas).
This is an entirely new POV and shows that Asmo is attempting to think about connections between scummers. Now some people including myself have pointed out that pre-flip association isn't particularly useful, and often results in confirmation bias leading you and others astray. That however, isn't my main point. My biggest problem (and it is literally a problem, because I'm not sure I can give a completely unbiased answer to it): Which alignment posts something like the bolded? Who is thinking about leaving a scum to be sacrificed? Is this something that is going on in the scum QT that Asmo is trying to 'bring to light?' Is he just thinking really critically? I am not trying to lead on any answers here, but I want opinions. I think that section of the post is the key to cracking Asmo one way or another.
I think this is just weird speculation by Asmo. I had him as fishy but I'm not feeling it from this post.
Why would he be spilling the scum beans if this was actually their plan? But simultaneously, where did he conjure up this convoluted scheme?
It reminds me of Cixah's post just after night, where he was guessing at how x shot at y who was roleblocked by z, basically oddly in-depth speculation. But in Cixah's case it means nothing, the man's an innocent child.
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Answer my question, Scummy McGoon.
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On October 15 2014 13:28 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Looking through Soniv's filter, he hasn't been nearly on top of you anymore. On day 1/night 1, he made remarks towards you relatively often. It's much less so recently, but that also loops around to the fact that you have had very little participation in moving guilt towards anyone yet. But at the same time, you haven't made many connections with people. So lynching you gets us nowhere again. Speak up more so we can tell if you're town or not.
This is just more of Soniv's scum play, I'd say. He hounds the weaker townies to look like he's doing something but backs off and finds a new target when they've proven themselves. I wouldn't be too surprised to see him do the same thing with Req if more of us start leaning town for him.
I'm going to bed now. Tomorrow we lynch some scum.
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It's time to make a choice, Alaric. Coma's not being lynched today.
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re: buses and being 'cleared'
On October 15 2014 11:56 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 11:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:Jeff, you never answered my question: On October 15 2014 08:54 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 15 2014 08:39 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
I was following the Wave-Soniv thing with a lot of interest, and Soniv is still my #1 most wanted. Right now, he's the only lynch other than me (but I'm innocent, I'm afraid) that tells us a lot. What does it tell us Jeff? I want to hear it in your words, I don't want anyone else answering this question. When you flip red you'll also finally prove me innocent,
Did you ever explain why this remotely makes sense? Soniv flipping red makes you even more suspicious, given how the D1 vote went down.
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Skipping school is a real scum move.
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On October 16 2014 00:48 ComaDose wrote:
since everyone has voted for jeff or soniv now does that mean that the mafia votes lie there as well? does that imply one of them arn't scum? should the town consolidate their votes onto someone to see who resists?
I don't think so. See all the talk of bussing: I think Soniv and Ghandhi are both scum, trying to create distance between each other so that when one falls the other is 'cleared'.
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On October 16 2014 02:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
If either you or soniv is 3P I suggest you claim.
If you were Serial Killer faced with lynching as Mafia, would you claim?
Is there ever a 3P-Town alliance?
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On October 16 2014 02:57 Requizen wrote:
I'm here.
Anything else to add?
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On October 16 2014 04:11 ketchup wrote:
Here are a few questions that I am currently having:
Why is Wave jumping on the mordek voting that was started by someone he feels is so heavily scummy that he has been after him since day 1?
What's with the late day 2 vote switch by wave? I mean he could pressure mordek without voting for him.
What's with OWB's jump on mordek as well?
How did the mordek get three quick votes in the span of 1 hour?
Seems like more of a pressure vote by all of them, mordek hadn't been around much in awhile, start putting his name on the lynch list and lo and behold he shows his face and makes a big post. This doesn't incriminate him necessarily: scum and townie alike are prodded by being voted at.
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On October 16 2014 04:57 jcarlsoniv wrote:Show nested quote +On October 16 2014 04:48 WaveofShadow wrote:On October 16 2014 04:46 jcarlsoniv wrote:On October 16 2014 04:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
That it would be good scumplay. If they're both scum they have had no choice basically all day. If we were both scum, don't you think there would be more people than just ketchup interested in pressuring Req? What? How do you figure? There would be at least one other person in the thread interested in pushing it, right? Let's assume Req is town (because this is your viewpoint). And let's assume 3 scum (that seemed to be a reasonable conclusion that we arrived at +1 3p). That means that if both Jeff and I were scum, there would be one other person in the thread on our team. This day has been the Soniv and Jeff show from the start, so would it not follow that the scum team would want to be coordinated early on to get the votes somewhere else? Ketchup and I were really the only ones pushing Req, so does that mean you think ketchup is scum?
That's one possibility.
Another is that with an almost certain scum lynch today (both main suspects are scum), you all try to distance yourselves from each other.
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On October 16 2014 05:10 GhandiEAGLE wrote:He did not. I claim VT, Tolkien is VT, MoonBear is VT, and Wave claims VT. Just to keep track of VTs
Not very useful, there's got to be at least 6 VTs in the game so it's not like we're catching anyone in a lie. Wave's claim was in his semi-trolly opening post too.
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On October 16 2014 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do you think the Req wagon was scum trying to deflect and when it didn't gain traction they moved back accordingly?
Who are you asking?
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On October 16 2014 05:15 WaveofShadow wrote:
Do you think the Req wagon was scum trying to deflect and when it didn't gain traction they moved back accordingly?
Meh. Was it much of a wagon? Looks like just Soniv and then Ketchup voted him. I still feel pretty good about my Ketchup as Town read.
Speaking of which, if someone other than Ketchup was roleblocked N1, you'd better speak up because it's a big point in his favour for me.
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