EPTI'll gladly eat the attacks I'm likely to face in the case of my being wrong because I know I won't get lynched because of it and we can move on and win.
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I'll gladly eat the attacks I'm likely to face in the case of my being wrong because I know I won't get lynched because of it and we can move on and win. | ||
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On October 13 2014 09:01 jcarlsoniv wrote: Oh look, we're no worse off for the wear Oh look, you made a shit ton of excuses and justified your being wrong well before it was revealed. | ||
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How is that an excuse OR a justification? I just said I 'd gladly be wrong because it would mean that we lynch scum. Remember how I DIDNT think he was scum? | ||
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Lynch Mommy's ass tomorrow. | ||
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I won't discuss what I think people should be doing at night or not because again I'll probably be yelled at. Do what you want. | ||
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On October 13 2014 09:30 ketchup wrote: Let's be fair, in a game of information, scum have more. This isn't a point in your favor. Just because you think he isn't scum doesn't make you any less scum. Even I could have removed my vote, but I didn't because last minute vote changes are not a good thing as town imo. Moonbear was unhelpful, and took a lot of the day 1 attention. If he kept playing like that, there's no way he would help day 2 and onwards. It's not something I want to see as town. I have my reservations about soniv, but this post doesn't mean much to me in regards to your alignment. It doesn't have to, I was talking to soniv who seemed to think I was making excuses same as him. Obviously that doesn't completely clear me, but at least I get that warm fuzzy feeling knowing I didn't contribute to the delinquency. | ||
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On October 13 2014 09:36 ketchup wrote: Also I want to mention, that you bringing up he may be blue/ townie with a role, is really frustrating to try to bring confusion/chaos into the game. This is especially so because you chose to do so in the voting stage when there were less than 30 minutes left. If you thought he may be blue, why didn't you mention it the first time he was being voted on? Why didn't you mention it a lot earlier? Like, does it actually save moonbear? Moonbear could have outlived the vote, but if this was actually a thing, do you think scum would let him past the night stage? Are you serious? I'm not going to out a suspected blue early on if he's not going to do himself. Ketchup I get it already, you don't like me, you think I'm scum. This nitpicking of everything I do is getting tiresome. Let me know when you sit back and rethink your bias. | ||
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On October 13 2014 23:29 Requizen wrote: Maybe it's just early for a lot of people, but this thread should not be this dead during the night. Town needs to be discussing the action for the next day and posting discussion about yesterday's failed lynching. I have a large post coming soon, don't make me double. Oh hmm. I wonder why it's so quiet. Better lynch me tomorrow guys, I'm only around to spread chaos and discord. | ||
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On October 13 2014 23:29 Requizen wrote: Maybe it's just early for a lot of people, but this thread should not be this dead during the night. Town needs to be discussing the action for the next day and posting discussion about yesterday's failed lynching. I have a large post coming soon, don't make me double. And hey, how do I know you're not just trying to manipulate me into posting? Screw that, you can't tell me what to do | ||
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On October 14 2014 00:12 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I think how defensive Wave is getting is further proof that he's scum. Just personally. If I were scum on the chopping block, I think I'd try to make people feel stupid for even thinking I were scum. 'Proof' I dunno I just have to decide if I'm annoyed enough with how people in this game have been playing to let you all attempt to lynch me, lose the game but be vindicated, or whether I actually care more about winning. Probably the latter. | ||
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I would just appreciate if people come to realize the benefits of what I've been doing. I know everyone hates it, but here's a lesson in mafia from Papa Wave: When considering the motivation behind people's actions, it often helps to consider it from different points of view, ie, would town do this and why, would mafia do this and why? What is most likely? Me driving discussion, being aggressive, leading votes, offering advice---is that kind of play more likely to come from scum or town? What would be the potential motivations as each alignment? If people TRULY believe it is more likely that I have been masterminding everything from the start and that everything helpful coming out of my mouth is meant to manipulate the town to my own ends, then there's not really a great deal I can do because people are not attempting to see past bias and consider options equally---not good town play. | ||
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On October 13 2014 23:29 Requizen wrote: Maybe it's just early for a lot of people, but this thread should not be this dead during the night. Town needs to be discussing the action for the next day and posting discussion about yesterday's failed lynching. I have a large post coming soon, don't make me double. Let's use this as an example, shall we? This is more or less what I would have posted in response to the question 'should we be silent at night.' If it were me posting it yesterday, what do you think the reaction from certain people would have been? Can you honestly say that is bad advice, or would people simply have been only looking at the possible scum motivation to say something like that rather than consider both options? Simply speculation on what I assume people's reactions would have been, but I'm hoping my point has been made. I'll dump a whole shit ton of reads into the thread later. I imagine at this point I'm not going anywhere which is perfectly fine by me---I'll keep you guys active and thinking critically until it kills me. | ||
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On October 14 2014 00:48 jcarlsoniv wrote: But here's the thing wave. You took a lead in town position just because your first post was a "follow me to victory" post. You've been very aggressive yes, but you've also been pretty defensive in the face of any criticism. You were incredibly indecisive for the rest of the day, keeping your vote unplaced for longer time than I'd expect after you criticized me early game for not placing my vote. On top of that, you wanted to enact some last minute "shenannies". A scum wave would absolutely know how to manipulate a newbie town, so excuse the town for not trusting your "judgement" thus far. And does any of the above make me scum, good sir? Time to school you as well, I think. Can you show how it's more likely that a scum Wave decided not to vote midday because he didn't want to get caught voting in a bad place rather than me having difficulty deciding? Can you show how being indecisive emulates a scum mindset? Can you show me how it's more likely that I was trying to enact last minute shenannies to somehow further scum ends rather than simply trying to get you guys off a likely town member? Also I'd like you to show me where I criticized you for not voting....cause I can't seem to find it. Maybe you can point it out to me though. Personally it looks to me like you're trying to throw tired old arguments at me---mafia buzzwords if you will----without thinking about them at all and assuming people will see 'Oh Wave was hypocritical about voting must be scum' and 'wave is being defensive/throwing his weight around' (I want to see how many times that phrase has come up now and who started using it actually) and look badly upon me. This is classically known as 'shit-flinging' and it serves two scum purposes: starts fights and serves to create discord and messes with town atmosphere (with the bonus of possibly demoralizing your target---and I'm ashamed to admit it's kind of worked because of the town members who have fallen under its spell), and it possibly sets up said player for a mislynch if people are not willing to look more deeply into the accusations. What is possible town motivation for 'shit-flinging?' Honestly, can;t think of any. A good town player would sit back and actually consider my actions from both perspectives rather than tossing open-ended suspicion at me, which is what you've been doing all game. | ||
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On October 14 2014 00:54 Requizen wrote: This is largely how I'm feeling. Wave, your actions are suspicious. You're quick to jump on other people's posting because they don't line up with what you like, yet when people do the same to you, your defense and martyr shield comes up very quickly*. You also have used posts claimed to be "noob moves", such as claiming VT as your first D1 post and causing arguments instead of converstaion. These actions make you scummy. You're quick to accuse people of starting chaos when you, yourself, have been causing a clamor. Rather than helping the town progress naturally, you are either: a) Town and trying to force the Town to play your way or b) Scum and doing Scum things Both are bad, one is grounds for lynching. And, if you are Town, then all you're doing is drawing death N1. + Show Spoiler + *But, knowing your personality, you're not the type to take criticism easily, much like myself. Even if you don't want to admit it, this may be just your natural reaction. See, this. This is EXACTLY IT. Notice the difference between this post and yours, soniv? 'Cause it's clear as day to me, and should be to everyone else. | ||
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On October 14 2014 00:56 Requizen wrote: That said, I think my focus has been too largely on Wave lately. This in and of itself makes me think Scum, using himself as a distraction for other Scum. Time to go into filters and weed out my town. Would you like to have a discussion, good sir? If you're worried about me leading/not letting things progress naturally I invite you to lead discussion. I agree, let's get the focus off me. This actually goes for anyone else as well. | ||
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On October 14 2014 01:08 Requizen wrote: I would gladly lead discussion. My desire at this point is to get as much information in the air before D2. If someone has ideas/feels/a train of logic and gets night killed before posting it, then the town is worse off than it is otherwise. Keeping information to yourself is the same as being a Goon. Lead away then. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + Regarding me, there's something you didn't quite consider---one, I've never played a game where I was almost the only one with any real experience. Yes paranoia is healthy to some degree, but not at the expense of logic, which is what I believe some people are doing here. Also consider that from my POV (assume I'm town for this) the paranoia is also preventing anyone from actually listening to and considering what I have to say. | ||
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