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EBWOP: formatting
On October 15 2014 17:47 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 17:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 15 2014 17:20 ritoky wrote:Regarding all of the early stuff in your post: 1) you don't follow through strongly on some of your reads. you elect to interact extensively regarding game philosophy with kush, you play flippyfloppy with geript and VE, yet some of your reads that you reference very frequently you do absolutely nothing to pursue or develop any further even though there is usually content to go through or a person to interact with. DP didn't have that deficiency imo. So yes, for that and a couple other reasons you are leaning mafia for me. On October 15 2014 17:09 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Question to you: Which ones of your strong townreads you followed to Oats lynch on D1? VE and CR That is totally wrong. Point out to everyone where i do not do so. I have been extremely clear about who i think is mafia and why my reads change when they do. I have been the MOST clear person regarding this in the game. Point out where i do not follow through on my reads and not just make some statements without any proof. I find it very hard to believe you actually think this is the case but if you really think so i want you to explain why so i can get a better read on you. It's good that you are actually having an opinion on something, now back up what you say with some actual evidence. On October 15 2014 17:23 ritoky wrote:
the 2 got deleted when i was erasing the rest of your quote. rip.
2 was something like this:
2) your pressuring on kush is primarily placed in policy reasons and most of your interaction with him is regarding personal philosophy on how to play. your discussion with him prompted 0 information that could give you a read. that's not pressuring him. How is it possible to have any other reason for thinking kush is mafia other than "he is not playing the game"? Do you suggest i didn't try to get information from kush during N1? How do you suggest i should have approached the situation on N1? What should have i asked him about then? On October 15 2014 17:25 ritoky wrote:
further, as i have said in many games, i find that around 80% of the time the first person to list the lurkers in the game and suggest killing them or that they are the mafia is mafia. i don't know if you were precisely the first; i plan to go back and look, but you were very early on in the running for lynch the lurkers. So then you must think GlowingBear is mafia. Go back and re-read. This is another contradiction because I EVEN POINTED OUT GLOWINGBEAR SUDDENLY WANTED TO LYNCH ALL THE LURKERS when he was on the line of getting lynched!!! Your game is all over the place ritoky, and the compilation of your reads doesn't make any sense at all because you are accusing all the people who cannot be mafia together. rofl. What the fuck are you doing? 1st part: your read on me. you actively refuse to read my posts until now yet have me listed as mafia. 2nd part: i think his throwaway vote on a confirmed townie is a good place to start on solid info on kush. 3rd part: it's only really the 1st person that matters. and yes i think GB is mafia, i have for a while. him wanting to do it doesn't mean you didn't do it as well.
1st: Again. I have already stated why i am not focusing on you atm. You are not my top suspect and i do not want to lynch you atm. wtf is this? should i be pushing all my reads that are not solely town? that's retarded. you don't focus on too many places at once.
2nd: That is a really bad observation. So why am i not town then because i basically hard defended that said confirmed town for the whole fucking D1 when it would have been the easiest mislynch ever? Also Sn0 was NOT a confirmed townie on D1, so you are twisting the facts.
3rd: so only the first person matters but i did it TOO so it makes also ME scummy?????!?!? hahahahah! 
On October 15 2014 17:53 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 17:34 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Your game is all over the place ritoky, and the compilation of your reads doesn't make any sense at all because you are accusing all the people who cannot be mafia together. rofl. What the fuck are you doing? Who is mutually exclusive from who from being mafia together? I wasn't aware that people are so strongly associated that it is actually impossible for them to be mafia together. I mean, bussing isn't a thing right? Please enlighten me on this perfect knowledge you have. Also your defense seems quite exaggerated and over the top especially from someone you have thought is scum for a long time. Especially when I have only stated I think you're leaning mafia for me. GB is pretty clearly the lynch for me today unless something jesus worthy happens.
It is impossible that i am mafia with either GB or kush.
If you can't see that i'll lynch you today. So you better drop either me or both of those guys on your scumlist in case you are town. The reasons are obvious for anyone who has paid any attention to the game and therefore i am not willing to elaborate on them. Yes, bussing is a thing. Unnecessary bussing is not, at least it's not for me. How the FUCK does it make any sense i - as mafia - tell people to lynch all claims - then GB - as my partner - fucking fakeclaims the next second? NEVER! If i was mafia with kush i would just call him an idiot and ignore him because i could very well do that, every-fucking-body has ignored him so far so i could do that aswell, easily. But no, instead of that you are suggesting there is a possibility that i am bussing him, for no fucking reason?!?!?!?!
Dude you are either playing quite badly or scum. Which is it?
And no, i am not defending myself because there is nothing to defend to. I am trying to figure out your alignment and so far you're not looking quite dandy because you make absolutely no sense in ANYTHING you say. You are just throwing shit left and right without actually thinking what anything people actually say means.
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Also tell me where have i wanted to lynch "all the lurkers"?
Only lurker i have so far heavily considered lynching is sqrt and that was NOT because he was lurking.
Again, back up your statements with proper quotes. Oh right... you can't!!! Because i didn't do what you said i did.
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ritoky explain to me why you did read VE & CR as top town on D1.
That's not clear from your posting at all.
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On October 15 2014 18:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ritoky explain to me why you did read VE & CR as top town on D1.
That's not clear from your posting at all.
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And if you don't think you're both defending yourself and overreacting to the minimal accusations of someone you supposedly think is scum; you might want to re-read your posts. If that doesn't work, you need to improve your English or reading comprehension. Quite defensive.
You call it defending. I call it pointing out statements that are ridiculous and have no proof behind them.
Could you post the proof?
Or let's do it this way...
Question to everyone:
Who thinks what ritoky says about me has proof behind it and/or has he clearly pointed out the proof he is claiming is there?
Do you think his accusations towards me are reasonable for someone who is properly reading the game?
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1) i like developing my reads on people over the course of the game. regardless of if they are my express target or not. you actively refused to read my posts (not town thing to do) and you did not develop anything from your interaction with kush other than fluffity fluff fluff.
Incorrect. I actively refused to answer you/talk to you because your posting was just fluff that didn't accomplish anything.
2) you interacted with him more than ANYONE in the entire thread AFTER he had flipped; and didn't even mention it once. if he refuses to answer, that's on him; but you didn't even try. yet he gets scum read. mhm. i think there's a level of conceit to your game.
Are you talking about his vote? I don't find it a scum/town tell. Why would i mention non-alignment indicative stuff?
You say "if he doesn't answer it's on him". But then it's bad i scumread him for it?!?!?!?
Like should i scumread him or townread him because he didn't want to push the game forward? I scumread him for it. How is this scummy? YOU JUST SAID IT IS THE CORRECT CONCLUSION!!!!
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On October 15 2014 19:01 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 18:31 raynpelikoneet wrote:
ritoky explain to me why you did read VE & CR as top town on D1.
That's not clear from your posting at all. VE I made pretty clear early on. He has done nothing but re-enforce it with his play. I mean....I don't see how you could see him as not town right now. Especially because he pretty much solo beat a fake claim to death with a stick. CR: Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 04:50 ritoky wrote:On October 12 2014 23:25 GlowingBear wrote:
He then townreads sqrt. He came to the thread, made a joke and lurked. Contributed with nothing. When he posts his reads, he is town because he have different reads from everybody? Do you think this is alignment indicative? I don't.
Why do you think this makes me mafia, yet DP isn't when DP arrives at literally almost word for word the exact same conclusion on sqrt a couple pages later? Your criticism is uneven; dat be a maf indicator. Your post about me felt like you were committed to scum reading me because of what you said last night, not particularly because you had a scum read on me. Very forced, over-committing. I also completely agree with CR about the point he made regarding over-stating how you're at a party even though no one prompted it. Show nested quote +On October 13 2014 09:43 ritoky wrote:On October 13 2014 07:56 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Okay, I'm back, but I have a really busy thanksgiving weekend. I'll touch on the people who I haven't yet, and go back to the festivities.
Barakos has few posts, but they are all really good.
Rayn is null
Kush hasn't done anything.
Neither has Sn0.
Ritoky is interesting. I have no idea what all the food pictures are.
Oats is town.
My vote is on glowingbear. Don't expect me to talk until tuesday. Another person telling us how busy they are, cool beans. While you were so busy you managed to glance through the thread and give some baseless and unexplained feeling reads, which is cute and all. But you obviously didn't care about them too much since you seem to think barakos and rayn are separate people and deserve separate reads. Beginning to believe a bit more in CR's case regarding you not giving a crap about the thread. Though I doubt you will read or respond to this, get back to me on Tuesday yeah? W/e. Was it not there, or were you not reading cuz of the food pictures? CR made me begin to doubt my read on sqrt because his post was good, and sqrt has only continued in the same vein of play since then. His points about GB being defensive and overstating being at a party without being prompted were my exact thoughts, he just typed them before I could. And, unlike you, I don't think he would vote on a very clearly already dead townie, as mafia, 10 mins before the deadline.
Yes that's what i would expect you to answer... mostly.
Read on CR is fine and makes sense.
Can you point out the posts from VE that made you think he is town early on?
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In that post i am not saying i want to lynch sqrt or CR.
That is completely twist of what i was. I am clearly saying "keep an eye on them" because they have posted so little it's hard to figure out their alignment. Maybe you should learn some reading comprehension yourself...
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Can you just answer me regarding VE?
You're being dumb on this and i am not going to explain myself further. If you are gonna push this feel free to do so. Noone is going to buy that shit.
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On October 12 2014 12:12 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 12 2014 12:06 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 12 2014 12:04 ritoky wrote:On October 12 2014 12:02 DarthPunk wrote:
In case I wasn't clear earlier. I will policy lynch a shit poster with geript. And we WILL push that motherfucker through if we both want it.
I am willing to lose the game and just lynch all these fucking useless players.
in 1 post, i have provided more content than 3 of your pages. so what if i surround it with 5 posts of talking about food. i like food, don't you? how come you and geript are now a package deal. buddying up much? Hey you mess with those guys you mess with me too pal. What you think I'm mafia too bro? What exactly are you accusing me of? i am accusing you of aligning yourself heavily with people who are traffic copping (moreso darth than geript). 1 of which i think is playing dissimilar to his normal town game, and the other who i have never played with, but seems sour.
Interesting.
Care to clarify this post because this doesn't look like a townread to me?
And it happened after the posts you quoted.
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In addition to my latest post:
VE I made pretty clear early on. He has done nothing but re-enforce it with his play.
Doesn't seem like the red part is in line with what you are saying now in comparsion to what you posted on D1.
So why are you talking out of your ass?
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On October 15 2014 19:21 ritoky wrote:Show nested quote +On October 15 2014 19:17 raynpelikoneet wrote:On October 12 2014 12:12 ritoky wrote:On October 12 2014 12:06 VisceraEyes wrote:On October 12 2014 12:04 ritoky wrote:On October 12 2014 12:02 DarthPunk wrote:
In case I wasn't clear earlier. I will policy lynch a shit poster with geript. And we WILL push that motherfucker through if we both want it.
I am willing to lose the game and just lynch all these fucking useless players.
in 1 post, i have provided more content than 3 of your pages. so what if i surround it with 5 posts of talking about food. i like food, don't you? how come you and geript are now a package deal. buddying up much? Hey you mess with those guys you mess with me too pal. What you think I'm mafia too bro? What exactly are you accusing me of? i am accusing you of aligning yourself heavily with people who are traffic copping (moreso darth than geript). 1 of which i think is playing dissimilar to his normal town game, and the other who i have never played with, but seems sour. Interesting. Care to clarify this post because this doesn't look like a townread to me? And it happened after the posts you quoted. ? I didn't like with whom my top town read at the time was associating himself strongly with. I mean, that's pretty clearly stated. It doesn't particularly have to do with VE, it has to do with me being a dick to DP cuz he was a dick to me and me not liking him buddying geript when geript is sketchy. Don't see how that besmirches my town read on VE in the slightest.
What? You clearly accuse VE of doing something. You literally say so. People do not accuse their townreads from what i know.
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So here is my problem with ritoky.
1) His read evolution on VE and how he explains it here. Does anyone think a townie would "accuse" their townread like ritoky says here? well i don't.
2) His scumreads now. He seems to have me, GB and kushmasta as scumreads. It doesn't make any sense at all for me being mafia with either of those people. It just doesn't. ritoky's thought process shows a complete lack of any logical thinking which i don't think is townie at all. He never answers me regarding the things he claims make me scummy (when those aren't even things -- he is not proving them, and he can't possibly prove them because they are not true). He claims i was acting scummily regarding kushmasta on N1 while what i did and my conclusion is what he claims to be more likely townie..... He claims doing something (in this situation scumreading or rather wanting to lynch lurkers) is scummy if done in a certain time. When i do it (except that i really don't) at some other point -- "well what the hell it's still scummy".
3) ritoky's vote on D1. He says he was following his strong townreads VE and CR onto Oats. That's fine, if it only was just that. But it's not. People who started the Oats lynch were DarthPunk and geript. ritoky doesn't think either of those guys is strong town. He scumreads geript. I don't even know what his read on DP is but it doesn't seem like it was town. Then VE votes. Then I vote. ritoky doesn't think i am town, didn't think i am necessarily town on D1. Then CR votes. Well CR hasn't done much on D1. Based on this the people voting on Oats (colors from ritoky's reads) are (in order of time of their votes):
DarthPunk
geript
VE
raynpelikoneet
Hopeless
CR
Notice that at this time the opposing wagons are geript and GlowingBear!!!!
So ritoky sheeps a vote pushed by his scumreads against lynches on his scumreads and says "i am sheeping my townreads although i am not as confident on the lynch as they are".
!!!!!
This is mafia behaviour. It literally doesn't make any sense at all. It also doesn't make any sense he isn't scumreading geript any more (or maybe he is, but then he scumreading like fucking mostly everyone in the game....)
ritoky is mafia.
##vote: ritoky
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kushmasta:
World Heavyweight Championship mafia III (Town Vanilla Killed Night 1):
one of his end of night 1 posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 07 2014 07:45 kushm4sta wrote:Artanis/OneguNot gonna put a lot of effort into this one cause I can't really be bothered to. Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 21:49 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
It's clear what my position is; Vivax, Poof, and Haru are all legitimate lynches for me. Anyone who doesn't know that isn't reading the thread. Why are you focussing on this unimportant issue rather than the actual reads? K so let's look at the reasons behind each of these scumreads. Vivax and poofter are scum because he doesn't know how they are reading him. Know who cares how people read them? scum. Overall bad reasons with no specifics. + Show Spoiler +On August 05 2014 21:41 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 21:35 kushm4sta wrote:
what does that excuse even mean, artanis? You suddenly got retarded? You don't have time? You aren't motivated? I suddenly got retarded seems to be accurate. The lack of motivation follows from said realization. My opinions pretty much follow popular opinion other than on myself. Vivax' interaction with me felt weird, just answering me when I asked a question and when I returned to the thread he just mentioned how I come back when summoned. I have no idea what his read on me is which is strange when I'm one of the biggest cases in the game. Poof's return to the thread and his reads make no sense to me. I also have no idea how he thinks of me and have no idea how he hasn't commented on that. Here's his case on haru. 3 neatly laid out reasons, all of them bad and easy for scum to make. The second is especially bad. Haru didn't realize artanis was joking with his wos townread so that makes him scum? + Show Spoiler +On August 05 2014 21:54 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I'd actually go with Haru. I'm not sure if he behaves this way as scum and that one post does give me pause, but (1) the fact that I'm 4th on his kill list yet the one with his vote, (2)the way he referred to my townread on Wave despite being very clear in why it was and (3)the stuff HF mentioned about his reads all coming from stuff outside the game rather than the game itself make me the most confident in him. Enumeration mine. ~~~ Here is some later, slightly different reasoning behind the Haru lynch. Show nested quote +On August 06 2014 06:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote:- Deflecting something Marv said, bringing up an awkward example where he asks how strong Marv's townreads are compared to me super townreading Wave (which I explained was a joke in the string of posts where he initially read it)
- List posts after saying he wouldn't bring up weak list posts on D1 as town because he doesn't view it as necessary.
- Hypocritical in how he accuses other people of unsubstantiated reads when he does the same himself.
- In the start, talking mostly about things outside of the game (HF has touched on this plenty)
1 "deflecting" lol. Later he expands with this: Show nested quote +1. Because it was phrased in a completely awkward way. It was basically dragged along, and then it turned out he hadn't even read it properly. Why would you bring up something that isn't even related when you haven't even read the context?
Awkward phrasing is a scummy reason to scumread someone. 2 and 3 are exactly the same point pretty much. Haru only wrote the list because he was bugged about it, and kind of as a joke because he said he hated lists. So that is a misrepresentation. ~~~ Show nested quote +On August 05 2014 21:27 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
That would require my brain to work, which at the moment seems to not be the case. This is not an excuse town artanis would make. It's not like he didn't have time to play either. Twice he mentioned how we are bad at banter. He had time to banter but didn't have time to scumhunt?
Showdown Mafia (Town Vanilla Lynched Day 2):
one of his end of night 1 posts:
+ Show Spoiler +On August 01 2014 13:16 kushm4sta wrote:Show nested quote +On August 01 2014 10:54 ritoky wrote:On August 01 2014 10:50 kushm4sta wrote:
or if you go for the hero shots aka not among the commonly accepted list of potential scum, I'm also going to be pissed. excluding yourself and palmar, who do you feel is off limits for some sploding? and why? um i'd rather do it the other way around because it's easier yamato77 sinani206 fuba MysteryMeat1 Damdred pick from that list. As for why, I've already gone into why I think damdred is scummy. Everyone else is inactive so there aren't really reasons apart from that why they could be scum.
That would be the last two towngames from the database.
You do not give reads during the night kush?
Can you point me out to a game where you in fact do NOT give reads during the night as town?
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Again. There was three prime claims and a parity cop claim.
Every fucking townie "knows" one of the claims is scum because THAT'S HOW IT IS!!!!
Why is voting for the more unreasonable claim scummy but not voting not scummy as you are saying (regarding geript, kush and CR)? You are turning the situation upside town. Assuming you are town you should SUSPECT the people who doubted there is mafia in you/Hopeless. Not the people who say "lol this claim is way more scummier and one of the dudes is mafia anyways".
I still can't understand why you would even remotely think mafia!Hopeless would shoot prime!DP ever on N1. There is literally zero reason to do so, if Hopeless was mafia they would NEVER EVER shoot DP because DP is the ONLY backup lynch for them if someone claims a power role (which mafia cannot know exists / not). That seems to be the ONLY purpose for your fakeclaim, and the reason is retarded.
You also had the MOST reason to shoot DarthPunk on N1. That is a fact and it definitely does not make you look any better.
And this:
3) Why is sqrt's post @ D2 start good? Show me the good things about that post because i think it's terrible and contradicting itself.
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So where is your head at atm?
Who is mafia?
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I don't understand what geript is talking about there. Maybe he can explain it.
So you think Damdred is mafai even though he shares your other scumreads?
Like is he bussing his whole team?
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I don't think the case on Damdred is good.
At least is way fucking worse than a guy sheeping his scumreads onto another lynch when the other lynch targets are his top scumreads....
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I find it odd that you have nothing to say about ritoky and my case on him.
Okay let's go through your case on Damdred.
This is what I'm talking about Damdred. It is not only because he is lurking. It's his overall gameplay. He is always defending and hardly scumhunting. (i'll call this point X)
So, reasons why I feel Damdred is scum:
A) His activity is a lot higher when he is town, even when he was traveling
B) He is not analysing possibilities. He has been focusing on voting geript since the beginning of the game. He even did drop his vote on geript and laid back on Day1, when oats was about to get mislynched.
C) He is not sharing reads with the thread or clearly scumhunting, he only comes to the thread when someones cites his name
D) He has been overly defensive.
X) This is simply just not true.
A) Incorrect. For example in Season of the witch mafia at this point of the game Damdred had 3 pages of filter. You can't just pick one game where he happened to post more than in this one and call him mafia for it.
B) What fucking possibilities? If he thinks geript is mafia why should he do something else than lay out why he thinks geript is mafia and vote for him? Can you show me a town game where Damdred actively pushes lynches and continuously interacts with the thread because i cannot remember one (which is why i have always thought he is mafia early on).
C) Yes he is, you just can't read between the lines or for some reason refuse to do so.
D) How has he been overly defensive? Being defensive is not a scum trait because when someone calls you mafia of course you defend yourself regardless of your affiliation. It's funny you say this because your filter consists mostly of... defending yourself... Are you also being overly defensive?
All in all your case is based on things that do not hold water or things that are related on meta - except that they really are not related to Damdred's meta because they are wrong.
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Like the meta part of your case on Damdred is exactly the same there was in geript's case on D1 which you called...
On October 14 2014 23:15 GlowingBear wrote:
I already understand his meta read on you was bad. Yes, it was bad. It was contradictory.
sick change of mind!!!
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