EPTOn October 18 2014 00:10 GlowingBear wrote:
.: Case on SQRT
Sqrt brings odd early reads, which you can find in the spoiler
odd reads equal odd player more often than scum.
+ Show Spoiler [early reads] +
So, his motives for scumreading people is basically "he is trying to inflate filter with two posts", "geript is trying to buddy someone", "GB doesn't want to talk about his scumread", "hopeless claimed prime".
Why is this mafia trait?: giving this bad reasoning and immediately lurking sounds like someone who just tried to look like he is trying to figure out the game, but actually isn't, and went full lurkage to avoid drawing attention, which he successfully did.
Then, he comes back to the thread and post this:
So, he says that Barakos has good posts but he doesn't know about Rayn. Says obvious things about kush and Sn0 without giving his thoughts of what this means regarding alignments. Says Ritoky is interesting (why exactly? Ritoky was posting but wasn't contributing, he just posted a lot of bullshit and lurked). Then he says OATS IS TOWN. WHAT? WHY? A lot of people was in doubt regarding oats alignment. How does Oats is so certainly town? And if he thinks Oats is town, WHY DOES HE THINKS SO?
How can he say that if he clearly isn't reading the thread or busy with thanksgiving? (remember: he didn't know rayn replaced barakos)
Then he votes on me and goes lurking again, not caring for the lynch! And he didn't even bring reasons to vote me. He simply voted. I'll assume, then, that I am his strongest scumread (this will be important for further analysis)
here you assign a lot of intent and circumstance that you can't possibly know as a prime, bold red trait of why we should lunch him. Nope I don't go for such cases
Why is this mafia trait?: as mafia, if you see wagons being formed on townies, you don't care for the votecount. anyone who thinks this needs some coaching from this SHINOBI and yours truly. You not only care, you care MORE because you meed mislynches to win. To do that you have to convince people to vote some poor sot You can simply drop your vote and fuck off because certainly a mislynch will occur. WHAT THE BUTTSHIT HAVE YPU EVER BEEN SCUM?If you're townie, you'll make sure that your strongest scumread is voted or at least agree with a wagon brought by someone else, but reasoning your agreement. Not simply randomly dropping votes. Tunnelinf is good townplay and careful evaluation is wishy washyneas right? FUCKINF 60 freeway CALIFORNIEA REGEADE IT anyway I will be hard to understand I apologize.
These "scum tells" don't exist.
Then, he posts that next to deadline reads:
When I first read this post, I thought this looked like his town meta. But I was biased with his townread on me.
After I read his post again, I realised it is terrible.
Reasons:
1) He suddenly reads me as town for math posts. I think it is ok to read me as town regarding the Damdred post, but not math posts. Anyone could do that. I WAS HIS TOP SCUMREAD WHEN HE VOTED ME. How I suddenly turned into town? There is no way he reads me as town UNLESS he KNOWS I am town and looked for a reason to say so.
2) He tries to defend himself with what Darthpunk brought about his townslip, and reads him as town for that. He derps and says DP is either town or smart mafia when DP already flipped. His excuse, in a later post, is that this was written during night time and has old reads. Come on, this post came exactly 12 minutes after the flip. If he is town he would try to post this before the end of night because, well, he probably wouldn't die night 1 but who knows? But the most important part here is that he uses DP post to defend himself AFTER DP flips town.
3) VERY BAD: after doing this "comprehensive" reads, he just says that "Damdred is pushing geript" and "I still have no idea on Ritoky". REALLY? DAMDRED IS PUSHING GERIPT? THANK YOU! WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF IT?
You still have no idea on Ritoky? Why exactly you don't want to talk about these guys? Like, Ritoky style of posting and lurkage felt pretty scummy. It's impossible that you aren't, at least, suspicious of him.
4) He says he doesn't like geript but does not know why. He reads VE as town because he has good logic. LOL. Having good logic ISN'T ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE. Again, the only why he could read VE as town like that is because he KNOWS VE IS TOWN.
5) Still regarding geript, he says he doesn't like him and bring two posts where geript describes that mafia would always claim prime. So, the most reasonable conclusion is that he doesn't like geript because he was bringing suspicions on Hopeless. Then, HE VOTES HOPELESS. THIS MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE. WHY IS HE VOTING SOMEONE HE THINKS IS FAKE CLAIMING IF HE FINDS SUPICIOUS THE GUY WHO SAYS MAFIA WOULD FAKE CLAIM?
6) He says CR is definetely mafia but VOTES ON HOPELESS. His using probabilities to vote on someone instead of voting his top scumread. WHY?
As an overall analysis of this post, he is reading as town obvious town but people that are questionable, he has no opinion on them.
He voted Hopeless BEFORE I fake claimed, but look at how he reacts later:
Ok, so, he was lynching Hopeless considering probabilities. Remember that he voted him before I fake claimed. I fake claimed, then rescinded. He suddenly believes that it's better to let both us and hopeless live. HOW DOES THIS CHANGES PROBABILITIES? WHY HE SUDDENLY BELIEVES IT'S BETTER TO KEEP US BOTH ALIVE?
Moreover, LETTING US LIVE WAS HIS TOP SCUMREAD IDEA:
So, he is agreeing with his top scumread!! Why? Does this mean he is townreading CR?
NOPE (see spoiler)
+ Show Spoiler [case on CR] +
HE VOTES CR WHEN THE MAIN WAGONS ARE HIM AND GERIPT.
HE THOUGHT GERIPT WAS SUSPICIOUS, WHY DIDN'T HE CONSOLIDATE ON HIM?
He wasted his votes 2 following days. When oats was getting lynched, he kept his vote on me. When Geript was getting lynched, he kept his vote on CR.
He is also much more interactive in his townplays, and posts a lot more. He has a clear stream of thoughts that aren't revealed in the game we are playing right now.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?user=sqrtofneg1 (13 pages of filter)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445959-newbie-mini-mafia-liv?user=sqrtofneg1 (7 pages of filter)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?user=sqrtofneg1 (10 pages of filter)
That's it guys. I've gave plenty of reasons to vote him now.
this even looks like a Freudian slip that you know you are faveicatinf these points and have some a good enough job that you expect is to mislynch UoN for you so you can Phux off rite?
.: Case on SQRT
Sqrt brings odd early reads, which you can find in the spoiler
odd reads equal odd player more often than scum.
+ Show Spoiler [early reads] +
On October 12 2014 08:27 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
CR: Inflating filter, not doing much. Posts like this:
or this:
are completely different from what I remember of him playing, back in team melee mafia.
CR: Inflating filter, not doing much. Posts like this:
or this:
are completely different from what I remember of him playing, back in team melee mafia.
On October 12 2014 08:28 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
VE:
Townreads geript, self confirms town, self proclaims best medic save, ect.
Not rubbing with me in the right way.
VE:
Townreads geript, self confirms town, self proclaims best medic save, ect.
Not rubbing with me in the right way.
On October 12 2014 08:30 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
geript:
And then the next post:
This post:
looks like buddying DP. I don't like that.
geript:
And then the next post:
This post:
looks like buddying DP. I don't like that.
On October 12 2014 08:33 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
GB:
and then
Why would he not want to discuss his own scumreads?
GB:
) or he tried to look as mafia for some reason.and then
Why would he not want to discuss his own scumreads?
On October 12 2014 08:35 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
This is the thing I don't like.
If you're named VT, why would you claim so early, even if someone says to? I would keep it to myself for a while at least.
This is the thing I don't like.
If you're named VT, why would you claim so early, even if someone says to? I would keep it to myself for a while at least.
So, his motives for scumreading people is basically "he is trying to inflate filter with two posts", "geript is trying to buddy someone", "GB doesn't want to talk about his scumread", "hopeless claimed prime".
Why is this mafia trait?: giving this bad reasoning and immediately lurking sounds like someone who just tried to look like he is trying to figure out the game, but actually isn't, and went full lurkage to avoid drawing attention, which he successfully did.
Then, he comes back to the thread and post this:
So, he says that Barakos has good posts but he doesn't know about Rayn. Says obvious things about kush and Sn0 without giving his thoughts of what this means regarding alignments. Says Ritoky is interesting (why exactly? Ritoky was posting but wasn't contributing, he just posted a lot of bullshit and lurked). Then he says OATS IS TOWN. WHAT? WHY? A lot of people was in doubt regarding oats alignment. How does Oats is so certainly town? And if he thinks Oats is town, WHY DOES HE THINKS SO?
How can he say that if he clearly isn't reading the thread or busy with thanksgiving? (remember: he didn't know rayn replaced barakos)
Then he votes on me and goes lurking again, not caring for the lynch! And he didn't even bring reasons to vote me. He simply voted. I'll assume, then, that I am his strongest scumread (this will be important for further analysis)
here you assign a lot of intent and circumstance that you can't possibly know as a prime, bold red trait of why we should lunch him. Nope I don't go for such cases
Why is this mafia trait?: as mafia, if you see wagons being formed on townies, you don't care for the votecount. anyone who thinks this needs some coaching from this SHINOBI and yours truly. You not only care, you care MORE because you meed mislynches to win. To do that you have to convince people to vote some poor sot You can simply drop your vote and fuck off because certainly a mislynch will occur. WHAT THE BUTTSHIT HAVE YPU EVER BEEN SCUM?If you're townie, you'll make sure that your strongest scumread is voted or at least agree with a wagon brought by someone else, but reasoning your agreement. Not simply randomly dropping votes. Tunnelinf is good townplay and careful evaluation is wishy washyneas right? FUCKINF 60 freeway CALIFORNIEA REGEADE IT anyway I will be hard to understand I apologize.
These "scum tells" don't exist.
Then, he posts that next to deadline reads:
When I first read this post, I thought this looked like his town meta. But I was biased with his townread on me.
After I read his post again, I realised it is terrible.
Reasons:
1) He suddenly reads me as town for math posts. I think it is ok to read me as town regarding the Damdred post, but not math posts. Anyone could do that. I WAS HIS TOP SCUMREAD WHEN HE VOTED ME. How I suddenly turned into town? There is no way he reads me as town UNLESS he KNOWS I am town and looked for a reason to say so.
2) He tries to defend himself with what Darthpunk brought about his townslip, and reads him as town for that. He derps and says DP is either town or smart mafia when DP already flipped. His excuse, in a later post, is that this was written during night time and has old reads. Come on, this post came exactly 12 minutes after the flip. If he is town he would try to post this before the end of night because, well, he probably wouldn't die night 1 but who knows? But the most important part here is that he uses DP post to defend himself AFTER DP flips town.
3) VERY BAD: after doing this "comprehensive" reads, he just says that "Damdred is pushing geript" and "I still have no idea on Ritoky". REALLY? DAMDRED IS PUSHING GERIPT? THANK YOU! WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF IT?
You still have no idea on Ritoky? Why exactly you don't want to talk about these guys? Like, Ritoky style of posting and lurkage felt pretty scummy. It's impossible that you aren't, at least, suspicious of him.
4) He says he doesn't like geript but does not know why. He reads VE as town because he has good logic. LOL. Having good logic ISN'T ALIGNMENT INDICATIVE. Again, the only why he could read VE as town like that is because he KNOWS VE IS TOWN.
5) Still regarding geript, he says he doesn't like him and bring two posts where geript describes that mafia would always claim prime. So, the most reasonable conclusion is that he doesn't like geript because he was bringing suspicions on Hopeless. Then, HE VOTES HOPELESS. THIS MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE. WHY IS HE VOTING SOMEONE HE THINKS IS FAKE CLAIMING IF HE FINDS SUPICIOUS THE GUY WHO SAYS MAFIA WOULD FAKE CLAIM?
6) He says CR is definetely mafia but VOTES ON HOPELESS. His using probabilities to vote on someone instead of voting his top scumread. WHY?
As an overall analysis of this post, he is reading as town obvious town but people that are questionable, he has no opinion on them.
He voted Hopeless BEFORE I fake claimed, but look at how he reacts later:
Ok, so, he was lynching Hopeless considering probabilities. Remember that he voted him before I fake claimed. I fake claimed, then rescinded. He suddenly believes that it's better to let both us and hopeless live. HOW DOES THIS CHANGES PROBABILITIES? WHY HE SUDDENLY BELIEVES IT'S BETTER TO KEEP US BOTH ALIVE?
Moreover, LETTING US LIVE WAS HIS TOP SCUMREAD IDEA:
So, he is agreeing with his top scumread!! Why? Does this mean he is townreading CR?
NOPE (see spoiler)
+ Show Spoiler [case on CR] +
On October 16 2014 01:40 sqrtofneg1 wrote:
Voting my next scummy looking person: Chairman Ray.
Reason: D1: he thinks I'm top scum.
And then, he votes Oats with this reason:
An argument could be made that by that time, there was no hope of lynching me, but you don't vote someone that you haven't said a single word about.
Day 2: Still only me.
Let me point out that if you're town, you don't have only one scumread. There's 3 scum in this game, and the fact that he's only focusing on me indicates that he's mafia.
##Unvote
##Vote: Chairman Ray
Voting my next scummy looking person: Chairman Ray.
Reason: D1: he thinks I'm top scum.
And then, he votes Oats with this reason:
An argument could be made that by that time, there was no hope of lynching me, but you don't vote someone that you haven't said a single word about.
Day 2: Still only me.
Let me point out that if you're town, you don't have only one scumread. There's 3 scum in this game, and the fact that he's only focusing on me indicates that he's mafia.
##Unvote
##Vote: Chairman Ray
HE VOTES CR WHEN THE MAIN WAGONS ARE HIM AND GERIPT.
HE THOUGHT GERIPT WAS SUSPICIOUS, WHY DIDN'T HE CONSOLIDATE ON HIM?
He wasted his votes 2 following days. When oats was getting lynched, he kept his vote on me. When Geript was getting lynched, he kept his vote on CR.
He is also much more interactive in his townplays, and posts a lot more. He has a clear stream of thoughts that aren't revealed in the game we are playing right now.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/451317-detention-mafia?user=sqrtofneg1 (13 pages of filter)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/445959-newbie-mini-mafia-liv?user=sqrtofneg1 (7 pages of filter)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/447955-newbie-mini-mafia-lv?user=sqrtofneg1 (10 pages of filter)
That's it guys. I've gave plenty of reasons to vote him now.
this even looks like a Freudian slip that you know you are faveicatinf these points and have some a good enough job that you expect is to mislynch UoN for you so you can Phux off rite?
