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Lord Tolkien the Waiver Wire Scrub the vanilla town didn't realize that Ladainian Tomlinson wasn't in the league let alone a fantasy star and got eliminated with a loss early on. Actually made me laugh out loud, I love this theme. | ||
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Ala is town, I like how he pointed out how HF just stepped in and started flinging shit. Grack seems really jokey and happy and posting a lot so probably town. I don't like HF because of the aforementioned reason and the early vote just felt like he was totally misreading the thread. On October 06 2014 22:03 Hopeless1der wrote: Morning guys. We need to liven this place up a bit. Who's ready for some FOOTBALL? @batsnacks how sure are you that you've caught mafia there...? I also really didn't like this at all. I think it was such a meaningless and stupid question that no one bothered to respond to it. it just felt like a question to ask to appear active and buddy someone. | ||
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On October 07 2014 01:17 Holyflare wrote: lol storr reads me as weird but then says exactly the same thing that I have already said about oats' reaction ~_~ kelsier reads me as scummy for "flinging shit like slam said" but doesn't really explain how exactly I have been flinging shit and neither does he explain anything to do with oats such as why he'd be frustrated in the first place and then then further brings up the EXACT point I had already raised on hopeless. In essence kelsier's post is a list post with the added scummy bonus of giving out free and easy town reads based on things that shouldn't be free and easy town reads i didn't really go into it because ala gave the reasons and i was more explaing ala as town. i didn't see you bring up the point about hopeless to be honest but if you did raise that before me then i agree with the read, maybe your town | ||
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firstly i thought we were looking along some interesting lines with hf and hell, then bh did this huge RNG nothingness that served nothing except to disrupt town. he then tries to justify his rng like hey this is actually a good idea because he is inactive? it introduces him to the thread in a splashy way but all it does.is disrupt town. | ||
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like i think we were being productive and pushing certain people and he pops up saying there is x% this person is mafia. Ok but why not let people figure out the game and pressure people. plus i dont like how he does an rng and then goes looking for a reason to call that person scum on page 12 of the thread call it rng and don't make it anything more | ||
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On October 07 2014 03:20 Blazinghand wrote: You're so incredibly uninformed, it hurts. I made one post, and that post provided the RNG #. How do you think it would look if I said "actually, ignore that post, we're going to use this one instead?" It would look awful, and I have obviously never done that and did not do that this game. If you really think that my RNG system is gameable, you simply don't understand it. Due to your lack of comprehension, you are hereby disqualified from any future discussion of RNG until you apologise for your ignorance. I think if you said to ignore your RNG post that would be a really town move. | ||
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On October 07 2014 03:26 Blazinghand wrote: Then you think wrongly. You're a smart guy, you just haven't had the education necessary to understand this. Look at things this way. OO delurked as soon as he got voted, right? And then he self-votes and posts some trolling image thing. Stop thinking about my RNG vote and look at OO's response. OO *knows* I'm 100% serious about RNG and don't back down from it, and I lynch people this way from time to time (people like to resist RNG but it still goes through occasionally). So Basically, OO is facing a couple serious votes on him. If you stop thinking about my RNG vote and look at OO's insta-delurk and weird response, suddenly you start to learn a lot more about OO, don't you. Dang! That sure was useful! It also turns out the thing you learned about OO is that he's pretty obviously scum. So vote him. Didn't he say something like "now that is out the way" I think he just ignored / joked about it. I think it is good to put pressure on people but after your RNG post you haven't actually put any pressure on him . you just defended some random selection method. | ||
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Do you think OO is a good lynch? | ||
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my initial reads are in my filer and have stayed pretty much the same although I'm more inclined to read hf as town considering he did point out the weird question by hela before i did and he read bh as null which i like rather than giving him a weird town pass. two of my town have given bh a town pass and i cant understand the reason. so to update on other people reading the storrzerg and lian interaction. Storrzerg reads like a town who wants to pressure someone who he hasn't played with and try and get a read on them, seems very towny to me i dont know if lian is nervous or scummy but i haven't really liked him so far. as for bh, his rng is not alignment indicative, but the fact is he dropped it in at a time when town was already discussing and pushing on people, who in thought could be scummy. And his counter offer to a productive discussion was a random person. Disrupting town and then trying to act superior just feels really scummy to me.. also I'm confused why he thinks oats is a good lunch, because it favours rng and he is inactive. So a bad reason and a dactually incorrect reason. I cant quote st the moment on my phone but it is in there. i still dont like hela i didn't like his weird question and when people started discussing him was around the time bh decided to reveal his flawless methodology and deflect town. summary. town - bats,grack,store,ala,oats, scum -bh,hela, null - hf,dama, lian, oo, | ||
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On October 07 2014 01:45 Blazinghand wrote: Interestingly, it looks like in addition to being objectively correct due to RNG, it is ALSO objectively correct to lynch Oats because he has so little content. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?user=ObviousOne | ||
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ok that part can be ignored but the rest of my case against bh still stands. my phone corrected hopel to hela for some reason | ||
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you can town read me if you want I don't really read into it as you probably just flipped a coin | ||
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On October 07 2014 06:59 Blazinghand wrote: >"rest of my case" >implying there is a case >implying there was ever a case >doesn't understand sed mfw of course there is a case. you deliberately disrupted town when it was being productive to give us a random name. Since then you haven't actually bothered to push on the name and seen quite content now that town is in a different Random path | ||
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On October 07 2014 07:05 Blazinghand wrote: OK, let me be one hundo percent clear: You should vote OO. OO is scum, and RNG demands it. This is what I am saying. OO is ObviousOne. This is not a place of honor. OO is scum. This is a message, part of a system of messages. The message is that OO is scum, and you should vote him. This message is a warning about OO. We must vote OO. I consider myself to be a powerful player. OO must be lynched. again you haven't given a reason apart.from random number said so before this we actually had discussion going to sleep now pick this up tomorrow | ||
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@Dam what he disturbed was pressure on Oats,Hope and HF , plus there was a discussion between Storrzerg and liancourt. Obviously I don't think all of them are mafia but I was actually enjoying the discussion of it so far. @BH the OO discussion is interesting, I would find it interesting if you actually pressured OO rather than talk about percentages. After reading I don't like how OO self voted and disappeared. I think once he realized people were taking BH seriously, he would have been more emotional and pissed off about it ( as I would have been) and now pressuring him would be a good direction @HF you quoted Dam and said all his points were just surface stuff. This is how Dam approached D1 last game I played with him, he didn't spam the thread just kind of sat back a bit and made a few points here and there. It feels like town Dam to me. I think Obi is quite clearly town, Since he got in the game he has been active and questioning Dama and Lian seems like the correct angle as both appear a bit scummy ( I read Dam as town but that is because I played with him before) he seems to be reading the game the same way as me. Doesn't like the RNG nonsense and wants town to discuss something else. He seems genuinely pissed off with HF voting him out the blue. @Obi Just FYI I don't think the RNG is indicative of scum, but the timing of it felt anti-town to me. | ||
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On October 07 2014 15:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah that town read on obi completely doesn't make sense. Tmi? Why doesn't Kelseir give a read on hf? Who knows. Why didn't you Kelseir? Care to explain how it doesn't make sense As for HF, I gave a read on him pretty early saying he was scummy but I'm still working it out I didn't like his interaction with you at the beginning. But he did make a good point on hope asking rando/odd questions which felt town. I obviously don't like his scum read on obi but it could just be his way of getting information. I haven't decided one way or the other yet. | ||
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I think his interaction with obi makes him scummy. Firstly he asked "when are you going to do something" when it seems to me that obi was asking questions and trying to get things done. Then he just votes him out of the blue for the reason of "filter"...ok that is just a terrible explanation. if you are going to vote on someone at least accuse them of something scummy. Then it turns out his huge reason is because obi hasn't called anyone town or scum instantly . It is reasonable that obi has reads but didn't want to give them yet or he was getting his reads based on questioning dam/lia. Just felt like HF called him scum and then had to find a reason for it. | ||
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On October 07 2014 16:22 Alakaslam wrote: What about ObiWanShinobi changing his story can you quote that | ||
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On October 07 2014 16:28 Oatsmaster wrote: like this bit right? How has he been questioning damdred and lian? How is disliking the RNG nonsense townie? How is he pissed off? And how does this come together to make him totally totally town? What do you disagree with HF/Grack? it is in his filter on like page 1 he enters the thread and questions dam and lian, then HF comes in and attacks him. I think if you dislike something that is anti town. it probably makes you town. Also he could have felt the BH discussion was going nowhere and wanted to move on. He probably has more experience with it than I do. He seemed pretty pissed off with hf in the discussion, seemed like genuine frustration. To me that is 3 good reasons for him being town, considering it is d1 he has done enough to get a town read off me. Obviously I disagree, why ask me that question? | ||
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On October 07 2014 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote: clearly you arent reading hard enough. HF gave a fine explanation and even explained why he said "filter" in the first place. And you dont understand the reasoning behind HF's case. HF is saying that Obi keeps complaining about there not being content but Obi isnt doing anything to create content. No analysis. No reread then some new insight. Just chitchatting with Damdred. Obi doesnt even use the defense that you proposed which means its clearly not what Obi was doing. Therefore you're townread on him is bad and that means you are scum. ##vote KelsierSC Clearly you arent reading hard enough, where did he give an explanation before he said filter. he just voted and said "reason filter" It seemed to me that obi was trying to create content and asking questions of dama and lian and trying to stop the RNG discussion, then HF just went after him. My town read of him is actually pretty good I have solid reasons for it. | ||
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On October 07 2014 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote: clearly you arent reading hard enough. HF gave a fine explanation and even explained why he said "filter" in the first place. And you dont understand the reasoning behind HF's case. HF is saying that Obi keeps complaining about there not being content but Obi isnt doing anything to create content. No analysis. No reread then some new insight. Just chitchatting with Damdred. Obi doesnt even use the defense that you proposed which means its clearly not what Obi was doing. Therefore you're townread on him is bad and that means you are scum. ##vote KelsierSC One of the main points of HF's attack is that Obi didn't give his reads immediately. I am saying that doesn't make him scummy as people could want to hold back their reads for a time or they haven't formulated them. | ||
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On October 07 2014 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote: How is not having reads not scummy? And if he was holding it back intentionally, why didnt he say so at ANY POINT?? Where are these reads by Obi btw, I didnt see anything decent. God I have said this before. He could be formulating his reads or be holding them for a time until he re read the whole thread.. Maybe that is his playstyle who knows. Just saying It was too soon to call him scummy. It seemed to me like he was trying to get a read and then HF stormed in and said "YOU DIDNT GIVE READS IMMEDIATELY YOU ARE MAFIA" He did give grak a town read , but he also said he hadn't finished rereading so he will have more when he returns. | ||
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You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now? | ||
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He has been really active and has one of the longest..filters and he has been in peoples face with oats,dama,obi which is a playstlye i like.Plus his reasons for obi are supportable, so i mean his reasons are wrong but he can back up a reason with quotes etc. he isnt just making them up I think I like his playstyle, I just think his targets and reasons are wrong. hf - eager town | ||
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On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote: At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. Think I agree with you on most of this apart from Grack who I think is town rather than null/scum What do you mean by BH post's seem legit? | ||
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On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote: I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. So I don't really like this point actually. Firstly I give Damd a town read, like I remember his playstyle from last game and he is acting exactly the same when he was town. Also saying storr hasn't done anything isn't true, I have a memory of him pressuring you actually. But like I don't really agree with the 3 people who aren't talking are the scum. In your reads through everyone is "iffy" or "strange" and you want to lynch the people not talking. Why is storr or Damd a better lynch than OO for example? | ||
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On October 07 2014 18:19 liancourt wrote: meaning it seems genuine and townie. It looked like he was actually trying to do something instead of post fluff. To me it seemed like "RNG" "RNG" "Vote this guy" "you guys are all stupid not to vote my random person" You seemed to be critical of it along with me so I really want to know what he was trying to do and what was townie about it. | ||
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On October 07 2014 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote: HE NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS HOLDING BACK READS OR FORMULATING THEM. WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT? I never assumed that, my point is that not giving your reads immediately doesn't make you scummy. thanks for the all caps though it makes things really large | ||
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On October 07 2014 18:34 liancourt wrote: See i don't like this "well last game blah blah blah..." I can't emphathize with you if you use this kind of logic. I use this logic if I have played with that person before. I don't think I ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO. I said I was reluctant on OO because it would mean following the random vote which I'm kinda against. I can still wait on more info on storr and damd before i make my final decison so it's ok. well what you said is that your 3 would be storr, damd and palmer. Even though OO has been scummier and storr/damd have contributed more than him. this means you would lynch storr/damd over OO by your reasoning right. I don't know, I just think you don't want to vote OO just because it is a random vote but he is acting scummy as fuck and that is a good reason to lynch him over others. so using "oh it was random" at this point is kind of a weak defence. I would happily lynch OO right now tbh. | ||
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no not at all. | ||
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It depends on the quality of the read and how it fits with the rest of the thread. If the thread is in one direction and out of the blue you say "this random guy is mafia because i did an RNG" I think that is a bad read and a scummy thing to do imo. | ||
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On October 07 2014 19:29 liancourt wrote: then what does that double negative mean? it is not scummy to give a read immediately it is not scummy to not give a read immediately. It is more about the quality and relevance of the read. | ||
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On October 07 2014 19:32 liancourt wrote: So let me get this straight you're scrutinizing me over why I'm not lynching OO who was random voted by BH who you think is scummy yep | ||
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On October 07 2014 19:32 liancourt wrote: So let me get this straight you're scrutinizing me over why I'm not lynching OO who was random voted by BH who you think is scummy The only reason why I think BH is scummy is his RNG thing which, seemed to me, pretty disruptive. But judging by the attitude of BH he probably just does it anyway regardless of the thread. Bad town maybe scum maybe. If I look past the RNG and other people in the town think BH is town they I would shift my view to bad town, I think Grak called BH town and Grak is my top town at the moment so. | ||
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On October 07 2014 19:37 liancourt wrote: so you think OO and BH are both scummy? as above I think BH might just be bad/based town | ||
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On October 07 2014 19:47 liancourt wrote: huh you changed your view from being both scummy to reading BH as a bad town. What made you change you mind? are you serious I just gave my reasons above what the fuck. | ||
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On October 07 2014 19:50 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah cool you changed my mind. Great job kelsier. ##unvote Liancourt and oo might be scum. Liancourt cause he has no scum reads other than "they did nothing" that is where my head is at aswell atm | ||
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On October 07 2014 19:53 liancourt wrote: Let me rephrase, why'd you change your opinion in a matter minutes while talking to me? Basically I asked you to give me your mafia/who you would lynch and the list seemed bad. Especially as your 3 included storr/dam over OO which makes no sense to me. You didnt want to lynch OO because he was the random which is kind of a silly defence now. yeh you explained later but he was still not one of your 3 lynches. so if you are scummy and not lynching OO, who is scummy, it is likely that BH actually got a mafia with his RNG Also I reread Grak and he was calling BH town so. | ||
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On October 07 2014 21:42 Holyflare wrote: This guy defending obi, wtf. You say i attacked him early (24 hours after the game had started) and didn't give any reasons to vote him (i did multiple times) but then you don't even mention how he has no actual reads whatsoever or how he lied about reading gracks filter or how he literally has no real reads other than town reads based on almost nothing. His defence on why he was so town was based on his interaction with hopeless that doesn't make sense as any defence and he just whined all the time (something he has done as scum). Lians scum team is actually not bad apart from not having oo in it I think I went over all this before but. Obi wasn't saying much at the start of the game, reading through the thread obi comes in, tries to talk to dama/lian then you said something like "are you going to do something" and then vote him afterwards. I wasn't in the thread at the time so not sure about time between posts but from what I can see obi got a lot of heat from you after only a few posts. I explained the point before that he never said he filter dived. I think it was Grack not you who actually pointed this out but to me it doesn't look like a slip. I think you are being unfair to say oh he has no reads so scum. If you read, it doesn't look like he had a chance to formulate any reads before you attacked him for it, at which point he was defending himself. Once obi has finished reading the thread then I think it will be fair to judge him. | ||
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On October 07 2014 22:16 Holyflare wrote: Obi had 24 hours of game time to read the thread, make conclusions and post reads. I can get that he is busy but the first thing he said on his return was that he was reading the thread. After about half an hour of apparently not reading the thread he returns and only repeatedly told people that what bh was doing wasn't scummy hence why I called him out on not doing anything useful because it was already stated multiple times that what BH was doing is in fact null. So not only does he skirt by with no real reads he appears to contribute in lieu of actually participating by rehashing the same thing over and over again. K well as I mentioned I didn't know how long there was between each post so to me it seemed like he posted a couple of questions and then you went crazy on his ass. But if there was a big delay then your read of him is more understandable. I still think he is town though based on his questioning of dam/lian,and his interactions with you felt like a genuinely frustrated town player. Again with the reads I think I want to here what he says once he has read the while thread. I agree with you about OO | ||
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On October 07 2014 22:28 Hopeless1der wrote: The parts about continuing to harp on about BH stuff is moderately useful since people continue to talk about it. Seriously guys STOP WITH THE RNG DISCUSSION. I was under the impression that obi had actually read the thread and was about to...do...things, once he'd gotten people to drop the RNG discussion. Evidently I was wrong. Obi do you have any reads based on...reading? Skimming through what happened over the night, Grack is way townier than I implied earlier. He's not only generating content, its useful content, as opposed to incessantly trolling/joking. Slam with some more g8 b8 m8. Slam why are you so scummy? Who are your partners? As with others, waiting on storr's awesome case. Oats/Kelsier discussion was really meh. Liancourt's list post is a wall of wishwash. Would #lynchwithfire. what is really meh? Liancourt's list post is a wall of wishwash. Would #lynchwithfire. #glasshouses | ||
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On October 07 2014 22:56 Palmar wrote: I haven't read the game yet, but this guy is probably mafia for just assuming that the people who have done literally nothing alignment indicative have somehow a high chance of flipping scum. I like this guy already | ||
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On October 07 2014 23:00 Palmar wrote: Not to mention, another scumread of his is probably town. The way this is worded makes it quite likely StorrZerg is town. The assertiveness that his yet-nonexistent case is something to be excited about is far more likely to be from a townie than from mafia. So there's that. I have only ever watched storrzerg on Mafia Allstars and I think in general he likes to kind of sit back and wait D1 as both alignments. Also Storrzerg seems confident and assertive as both mafia and town so not sure if I like this as a reason to call storr town. I think he is, just not sure I believe this read. | ||
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Well the reason you give for storr being town, isn't actually a good reason because he plays that way as mafia and town. why is that bad reasoning? | ||
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On October 08 2014 00:00 Palmar wrote: Because you're thinking what and I'm thinking how. But it's ok, I don't particularly care whether you believe me or not unless Storr is in some danger of being lynched. I already read storr as town, I am trying to read you and I just don't understand how YOU can say that storr is town for the reason you gave. Give me what else you got | ||
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my main thing about lian is that he used this as his reason to lynch stor/dam over oo which just felt off to me. @hf you seem to be defending lian for the same reasons you attacked obi. Lian hasn't really given concrete reads just gave everyone a null/weird and then said he would lynch inactives. what makes lian different to obi ? | ||
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On October 08 2014 01:42 Holyflare wrote: lian has pushed things as scummy and made reads that make sense from someone that hasn't played with bh before and has posted thoughts on pretty much everything that has happened in the game whereas obi said he was reading, posted no thoughts about anything and then just tried to stop the bh scum reading nonsense while commenting on nothing relevant I agree he has been a part of a lot of the discussion but the end result is a lot of null reads and the strongest he can be on someone is that they are weird. He thinks OO is scummy which is great, who doesn't, but wanted to lynch stor/dama over him because he didnt want to follow RNG, even though at the time it was quite clear no one gave a fuck about the RNG anymore. did you read the big post from obi, what do you think of him now? | ||
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On October 08 2014 02:57 Blazinghand wrote: I'm gonna not focus on KSC for a moment except to say: When OO flips scum you can apologize to me for ever doubting RNG. I didn't understand its' true power. | ||
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On October 08 2014 04:48 liancourt wrote: I'll do grack first. He defends BH and agrees with HF goes against obi. And not much anything else. Null. Frankly I'd like to ask people why they think he is town. Slam posts a lot of...w/e. And I was surprised he gave some valid insigts in between the filler posts so generally he leans towards town. Well I agree with BH's post and like I said before his posts generally smell of townliness despite his RNG. If he doesn't use the RNG then I'll be content. Although I don't like storr for tunneling me from the start I can understand why he's doing this. I think it's a diffference between the way we think. He thought that nonsense with the RNG was total bollocks because he states that BH's RNG is not alignment indicative while I thought it was before everyone came crashing down on me. I thought that discussion was important for me because it later convinced me to where I am now, but he doesn't think so, in his eyes it was a load of fluff. Grak is town for me because at the beginning of the day he seemed really happy, excited and jokey. If you look through his filter he gave some good reasons for why BH is town , felt towny to me. He also paid close attention to what obi was saying. asking him why obi asked dama/lian specifically and then "catching" obi. | ||
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On October 08 2014 05:04 liancourt wrote: So basically, if I put one name down as scummy and gave a valid reason for it I wouldn't be scummy for it? You and storr have very similar play tactics. Pressure one person. Yea it's good and all, but don't try to influence others into playing the way you two play. And then calling them scummy if they don't play to it. If you give a valid reason why a certain player is scum then yes that helps town. | ||
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On October 08 2014 04:56 Palmar wrote: What do you think about StorrZerg making the case on you, what does it tell you about him? What do you hope to gain from this question? I think lian already explained what he thinks about storr making the case. | ||
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On October 08 2014 05:12 liancourt wrote: It seems like a pattern here you have to put stamps on everything. Town stamp Null stamp Scum stamp People don't seem to be satisfied if I don't use one of these stamps. I'm giving my honest opinion in most of the discussions whether or not I strongly feel about them. The only discussion I felt strongly about was the one with BH and I was pushing him for scum hard, you guys don't think this is relevant because you got this prejudice/stereotype of BH's RNG as not "alignment indicative" and just flatly ignore the whole discussion as null. Yea if you just ignore that whole segment I'm so unsure of everything and I can't pressure anyone. So just read your filter when you were discussing BH and I don't really see you pushing hard scum on him. You disliked the RNG, but then you said he was town because of a different post. then you said he felt towny but the RNG was mafia indicative. This isn't a hard push imo You also made a post saying "from D1 I got....." but BH wasn't mentioned on that list. I think one of the main issues isn't that you don't stamp everything but you haven't stamped a single thing. Even now I am not sure who you think is town or mafia. | ||
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On October 07 2014 20:33 KelsierSC wrote: Basically I asked you to give me your mafia/who you would lynch and the list seemed bad. Especially as your 3 included storr/dam over OO which makes no sense to me. You didnt want to lynch OO because he was the random which is kind of a silly defence now. yeh you explained later but he was still not one of your 3 lynches. so if you are scummy and not lynching OO, who is scummy, it is likely that BH actually got a mafia with his RNG Also I reread Grak and he was calling BH town so. | ||
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On October 08 2014 05:58 Palmar wrote: The one where he spent plenty of time talking about how some case was really good and he'd be totally down with it tomorrow, only to default to what is essentially a lurker lynch on OO, without actually explaining why the OO lynch is better. Like there's literally no reason he shouldn't be tunneling me just as much as OO, maybe he just knows I'm more of a pita to lynch and I might actually turn around and do shit. If he's so on board with the lynch based on reasons, why is he still trying to do this semi-policy lynch. Like the one thing that makes me not want to lynch BH is that the scumslip thing was so monumentally stupid (it's 200% reasonable to assume 3 scum in a game of this size) that I just don't want to lynch him to spite the idiots who thought it was relevant. Even if BH is mafia, that was not a scumslip. So OO got RNG'd and laughed it off and drew a train, which initially felt town to me. But as it became clear BH was serious, rather than get pissed off or fight he self voted and vanished. You haven't been here the whole game so it is a bit different in your case. I am really surprised that there is only that one thing stopping you from lynching BH | ||
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On October 08 2014 06:04 StorrZerg wrote: I feel palmars activity level could be higher along with his insight to the game, leaning town on him. why? how he town read me, how he followed up with the read. I liked him when he first posted saying lian was mafia, even though I think other people had given the reason he gave. Since then he has really fallen off. I don't like the way he got his read on you, doesn't seem genuine I didn't like how as soon as i questioned him about it he made some dumb post. I don't like how he thinks BH is scummy still I don't like how he hasn't bothered to read an important part of the thread. Or give reads on those people. On October 08 2014 04:57 Palmar wrote: I'm a slam fan. I'm not really a batsnacks fan because he's a bit of a dick. On October 08 2014 06:05 Palmar wrote: Also batsnacks is probably town for being the one to point out the scumslip. Mafia doesn't have the balls to do something this stupid. This means we can all safely just ignore batsnacks for the rest of the game, as it's unlikely anything he says is actually of any value. What the fuck bat is pretty clearly town and because he pressured BH that makes him stupid and of no value. yeh really don't like palmar, probably scum | ||
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On October 08 2014 06:15 Palmar wrote: You understand the "fan" post has nothing to do with the game at hand, I just like slam's posting in general, and I don't like how batsnacks plays the game. Go read the last game if you need any explanation as to why batsnacks is a dick and shouldn't be listened to. so you made a post of no value that shouldn't be listened to | ||
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Town Grak - happy entry to the thread, gave insightful comments on BH, was paying close attention to obi enough to catch him in a "slip" Storr - Seemed town early with his lian pressure, seems very focused on him, excellent post damning lian which I pretty much 100% agreed with. Ala - I like how he pointed out how HF just stepped in and started flinging at oats, had a null on obi at a time when that was correct . Early town read but that is how my D1 works. Dam - Seems to be like his D1 last game when he was town, could be more active though BH - RNG was dumb but it worked out and mentioning how OO responded to it felt towny, Grak thinks he is town. BS - Liked the early Bats trap Oats - seemed genuinely frustrated with bats in a town way Obi - good entry and asked good questions to formulate reads, seemed genuinely pissed off with HF attacking him. Not happy with his reads of grak, HF and hope but I think he is just pissed off with grak and HF so OMGUS Null Hope - Didn't like his early play but seemed to have a good early read of lian. HF - Think some of my town called him town, don't like that he has pushed on people I called town. Could be eager beaver, misguided town. Could be scum Scum OO - got caught with the RNG, awkward posted and fucked off Lian - everyone is null, wanted to lynch dama/storr over OO. Palmar - inactive, lazy, think his reads are false. | ||
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First thing I am changing Palmar to town for now. To me everyone who voted on obi is town, I don't think mafia had any chance of getting a counter wagon started so it made more sense to just stick on OO and try and gain credibility. I thought Obi was scummy around the voting stage, he left his weird vote on HF, yeh we get it you are annoyed with him but like that amount of omgus is just bad for town. He then tried to get something going on palmar but was then instantly like "oh only joking, lol lol" Also seemed depressed after we lynched mafia but that may have been because it turns out HF is vig. I know where I want to focus tomorrow but I think I will leave that till the day phase begins. | ||
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On October 08 2014 23:45 Holyflare wrote: Probably the worst thing I've read in the thread. He didn't actually read that entire part of the thread so you can't blame him too much | ||
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On October 08 2014 23:41 Palmar wrote: Slam are you town? what a great question. | ||
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On October 09 2014 00:37 Holyflare wrote: No I'm pretty sure oo would tell people to bus him On October 09 2014 00:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Working on it. Even if you were my prime scumread, I'm not willing to put anyone on the OO wagon up for lynch tomorrow. I think the lynch group for day 2 should be apparent. yeh HF is town Obi probably scum | ||
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I gave reasons why you were scummy when I rejoined the thread, basically around the voting/post vote you looked really scummy. And now you think that people who voted for OO are all clean and the vote is between BH,palmar , Grak and Storr? The mafia would know OO is scummy so why would they switch off him, easier to stick there to gain credibility. The fact you don't realise this really makes you scummy to me. And the scummier you get the townier HF gets. Although this isn't the only reason I think he is town now. | ||
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On October 09 2014 01:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote: No, I thought the vote should have been between everyone off of the OO wagon. HF himself came in and stated that OO would basically tell people to bus him (which really is the most ridiculous thing in the world) which means that the most likely place to find mafia would still be on his bandwagon...Somehow. And I never said the OO wagon was clean in the first place. I said that the best lynches would most likely be the ones off the bandwagon, and before then I even gave reasoning as to why I think HF could have motivation to kill OO as either alignment. Alternatively, if mafia wouldn't switch off of OO, and I didn't vote OO, how does that make sense within the context of mafia voting OO to look town? Wouldn't that, by the virtue of your own heuristic, have made sense for me to just vote OO and look better instead of trying to go after someone that is supposedly "supertown" to you? Right now, your entire perception of the game hinges on me being scum and throwing away my vote while mafia would just vote OO. That...Doesn't make sense. My current issues with your analysis: 1) It's superficial. Saying that the entire wagon on my is town because "you didn't think it could gain traction" is kind of dumb, especially when Palmar gave the exact same reasoning I did for staying off the OO wagon. Alternatively, why is it that my omgus is bad for town? You can't just say something is "bad" without backing it up. Why do you think this? Is it because you're just classifying what my thought process was at the time or do you think I had legitimate reasons to think these things? 2) It's contradictory. If mafia couldn't get an alternative bandwagon going, what makes you think I was trying so hard to do so? What makes you think that my suggestion to CFD Palmar was a 100% serious suggestion rather than a joke? If I couldn't gain traction for it, which is what you supposedly think, then why is it that it has to be a serious attempt rather than what you think is an awkward backtrack? The issue I have is that you're only looking at my actions one way. It looks really convenient that you think my entire wagon is town since mafia couldn't to get an alternative bandwagon going, but I'm scum because I tried to get an alternative bandwagon going. If anything you would think that my wagon was the alternative, so I don't understand where this thought process is coming from. Explain more pls. Right but the names I listed are the people off of the OO wagon, so that is exactly who you want to lynch not sure why you are denying this fact. Again I agree with the logic HF gave and the logic I put forward, I think scum lie in the OO vote and the fact you think mafia wouldn't vote on OO is just silly/scummy. I think you tried to see how much support there was for a palmar lynch, your attempt at a bandwagon, and when you realised no one wanted it you backtracked. honestly if you last minute switch to OO it really wouldn't put you as town because a) it is right at the end and OO was going to be the lynch anyway b)the only alternative was yourself so my reasoning is not superficial at all. and it is not contradictory. I also think it is a mafia play to just vote for someone who voted you and then just not shift at any point. it is like "I AM SO OUTRAGED". If your town then you are not being objective and are bad town, or you are scum. That is why excessive OMGUS is bad. | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote: All of this analysis is opinion. You're not taking any of the progression of my reads into account, nor are you accepting that there can be any town motivation for my actions. If there is a reasonable explanation for my actions, which I felt to have explained adequately, accept the fact that you might be wrong instead of posting analysis based on "what you think" my actions resulted from. what read progression? you thought hf was mafia and still think he is mafia right. I don't really like you thinking hope is top town. If you have other reads can you quote them for me. I don't see a town motivation and I really don't think your explanation is good enough for me. give me a reason why storr,grack,bs or palmar is a better lynch than you. | ||
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On October 09 2014 01:49 Holyflare wrote: btw bh is also mafia this is the second stupidest thing in the thread. | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Because I am town and they are not me. Qed. ugh I meant give me something that makes them scum. | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I would if I could. A majority of them are coasting/lurking right now and it makes it hard to read them explicitly. Same advice to Damdred goes to you, naturally. So you want to lynch them but you can't find anything that makes them scummy. | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I can't find anything that makes them anything. Right that is the whole fucking deal you say we need to lynch them but you can't even say why. | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:38 Holyflare wrote: Obvious One (8): Blazinghand, Alakaslam, Hopeless1der, Holyflare, Oatsmaster, liancourt, KelsierSC, Damdred highly likely there is 1 mafia in this group of people, if i remove my town reads it becomes Obvious One (8): Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, liancourt, KelsierSC, Damdred could probably remove kelsier maybe, which leaves Obvious One (8): Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, liancourt, Damdred super lazy analysis will occur at some point on these 4 Yeh good list, how come you are town reading hope? | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:46 Damdred wrote: I don't mind being on your list hf, i've been kind of lazy the past day and a half i'll bleed town soon as i get on a comp and reread and post some reads. Don't worry dude I know you are town, I got ya back. | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Alternatively alternatively, BH's analysis was actually really bad and he's mostly just rehashing stuff other people have said. Why do people have him as town? why was his analysis bad? I have him as town because he put the focus on OO and got him lynched. Grak called him town with some good analysis. Brought up how OO disapeared after the awkward post | ||
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store,bh,bs,grack ,hf and palmer are my strong town. scum are obi and lian everyone else was towny enough d1 or null but voted on OO so need to evaluate them d2 . | ||
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I really like the play of HF, the fake vigi claim was really good and I like his cop check. It fits with hf's logic to check someone in the OO wagon and he also said that he wasn't sure about HF earlier in n1, I read him as town around the votes and the night phase so I believe the claim. Hopeless has been null to me most of the game, however there are some things that make me uncomfortable about this lynch. hopeless was null to a lot of people and hf said he wasn't sure why he was reading him town, he was in the OO vote which is where I am sure a mafia lies. It could possibly be that he was framed. Secondly obi is one of the people who is totally on board this wagon. Now I am pretty sure obi is scummy. Also obi said that he thinks the lynch is outside the OO wagon. But his two scum are now lynch lian/hope. both of them voted for OO. I don't like lynching someone who my top scum is really happy to bandwagon behind. Also obi had hf as one of his top mafia reads but now doesn't even question the legitimacy of a fake vig,fake medic, real cop. I like hf as cop but I really don't think hope is mafia. | ||
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On October 09 2014 16:11 Holyflare wrote: So let's assume you're wrong on obi (you probably are), there's 2 pretty much confirmed town on the wagon. Why have you jumped to the massive conclusion that not only did someone check hopeless who wasn't even a big scum read/likely check but that he's also framed instead of lian (if hes town) and why haven't you instead thought that your read on obi might be wrong instead? I think hopeless was a very likely check if you are the cop, for the reasons I posted. I don't think I am wrong on obi, his play has been very scummy and inconsistent. | ||
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On October 09 2014 16:11 Holyflare wrote: So let's assume you're wrong on obi (you probably are), there's 2 pretty much confirmed town on the wagon. Why have you jumped to the massive conclusion that not only did someone check hopeless who wasn't even a big scum read/likely check but that he's also framed instead of lian (if hes town) and why haven't you instead thought that your read on obi might be wrong instead? if obi is town... then hope and lian are probably mafia | ||
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He hasn't even questioned you being cop but is happy to go with it. He asks "has anyone given thoughts on hope" next post "lynch this guy #vote" His post was "lynch lian/hope" even though he said n1 to lynch outside the OO vote I'm not lynching someone this guy is happy to lynch, | ||
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On October 09 2014 13:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: The shenanniest of shenannigans. Seriously though, let me take the wheel. I got this shit. ##vote hopeless1der On October 09 2014 13:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: That's nice. I can get hopeless lynched without you. Do you think you are in any position to lead a lynch on anyone, like be fucking real dude. | ||
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On October 09 2014 16:19 liancourt wrote: why are you lumping me and hope together? you were scummy d1 and you voted on OO. | ||
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On October 09 2014 16:25 liancourt wrote: not like me voting for damdred, storr, plamer were gonna change anything because no one thought the same thing as me. True but as I stated earlier voting OO is a good place for mafia to hide. | ||
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On October 09 2014 16:31 KelsierSC wrote: True but as I stated earlier voting OO is a good place for mafia to hide. Hence why hope was a really good cop check. | ||
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On October 09 2014 17:50 Palmar wrote: Can anyone give me a rundown of what the hell you guys are talking about so I don't have to wade through the pile of softclaims and shit? or just read the thread, you know...play the fucking game maybe | ||
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On October 09 2014 18:02 liancourt wrote: hmm lets see who else have done nothing...damd, storr and palmer. And why would you think mafia would target BH? storr has been pretty active actually, I think his single mindedness is pretty town. | ||
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On October 09 2014 21:38 batsnacks wrote: Would lynch: Hopeless Damdred Kelsier Maybe Store why? | ||
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I am basically 100% convinced that Obi is mafia. Around the voting stage and post lynch he was really scummy. He tried to get some weird lynch going on palmar and then backed off it, left his vote on hf in some over the top display of outrage, seemed upset after the vote where we caught mafia. So in the night phase he says something like" oh we should lynch outside of the OO wagon", which is like such a generic and obviously incorrect thing to say. Also because it means he wants to lynch Storr,grack,bs and palmar, who are clearly town in my eyes. Then despite saying this he says yeh lets lynch lian/hope. Both of who voted on OO. even though he said we should lynch outside the OO vote. Then HF claims he is cop, and even though hf is obi's top mafia obi is like "yeh lets get hope!" he doesn't even question that hf is the real cop even though he was his top scum. I don't understand how in his eyes he can blindly follow hf. Since then all his posts are just "lynch hope" "why aren't you lynching hope". So i'm sure obi is mafia which makes it pretty obvious to me that hope is town. The third mafia. Between Slam, Dama, lian. I need to see more of dam but I read him as town d1 and his play is consistent with the way he played last game and he got heat for it that game aswell. Slam I want to post more. Lian I read as scum previously and of that group of 3 he is the scummiest. | ||
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Hopeless is in my towncircle too. Definitely don't hate his filter because it looks like he's trying to push the thread forward and isn't getting bogged down in nonsense. I'm just getting strong townfeels from him. (Though I don't know how you expected me to get a ton of things down when someone is putting me through the ringer for next to nothing so early. Idk.) He also posted this, and then the next thing he posts about hopeless is how he is mafia, I don't see any progression of the the read at all. | ||
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On October 09 2014 22:24 batsnacks wrote: I don't understand at all why Liam is scummy. Well storr zerg made a good case on him which I agree with. My personal reason was that he gave his list post in which everyone was null and then said he didn't want to lynch OO for a principaled reason even though the RNG thing happened much earlier and was irrelevant. Also On October 07 2014 19:18 KelsierSC wrote: I use this logic if I have played with that person before. well what you said is that your 3 would be storr, damd and palmer. Even though OO has been scummier and storr/damd have contributed more than him. this means you would lynch storr/damd over OO by your reasoning right. I don't know, I just think you don't want to vote OO just because it is a random vote but he is acting scummy as fuck and that is a good reason to lynch him over others. so using "oh it was random" at this point is kind of a weak defence. I would happily lynch OO right now tbh. Finally I think the 3rd mafia hid his vote on OO and out of slam,dam and lian I find lian scummiest. | ||
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On October 09 2014 22:33 batsnacks wrote: I think you just gave the same reason three times... Because he said he didn't want to vote OO because of RNG? Is that wrong? No I made that point once. The quote was about how he would rather lynch storr/damd over OO which makes no sense to me. | ||
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On October 09 2014 22:33 batsnacks wrote: I think you just gave the same reason three times... Because he said he didn't want to vote OO because of RNG? Is that wrong? Also using the RNG defence at that time was irrelvant, we were lynching OO because he was scummy as fuck not because of RNG. | ||
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RIght when it was clear OO was going to be lynched. | ||
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But I didn't like how he said he would rather lynch storr/damd over them. And his reason for not voting OO at that time was bad imo. | ||
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On October 09 2014 22:46 Damdred wrote: Why are you so sure that i'm town Kel? Also if you are so sure that I am town why put me down into your lynch-able people? Love you to bats your lynch-able because you are in the OO vote and that is where I think the 3rd mafia is. I'm sure you are town because your play is exactly how I remember it from last game. | ||
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On October 09 2014 22:47 batsnacks wrote: Damdred was scummy d1 though... And store was tunneling him pretty hard. He also scum read palmar, which is also easy to understand IMO. I think him wanting to lynch them makes sense from town perspective. The OO wagon did look like a weird policy lynch for a long time because OO never posted. If you can tell me why you don't like him scum reading damd/store/palmar I will probably take you off my lynch list. well we probably disagree on the timing but to me it was along time after the RNG and OO was a clear scum, like it was very obvious and to say that he wants to lynch damd/storr/palmar over OO because of his own principal. I really didn't like that. I didn't like him scum reading storr because storr was clearly town to me, he had been active. yeh he was single minded on lian but I don't like the attitude that "he is scum because he called me scum" For Damd, Again I have personal reasons for reading Damd as town, I guess from lian's perspective he could be scummy, but I don't see why he was a better lynch than OO at all. And palmar hadn't said anything at that point, it is easy to say "he is inactive, he is scum" lynch him instead of OO | ||
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On October 09 2014 22:47 Alakaslam wrote: Hah! Kelsier caught on! Tell me how I could be scum I will destroy what did I catch on to? As I said, I think the third mafia hid his vote on OO and you fit the criteria of that. I need to re read you again to be honest, I remember giving you a town pass on d1 but I don't think you have said anything stand out. | ||
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On October 09 2014 23:03 batsnacks wrote: I disagree OO was "obviously" scum. He was obviously scummy but I wouldn't have been wowed and amazed if he flipped town. I went to sleep believing an obi lynch was possible that's why I left my vote there. Store was focused on Liam almost exclusively and his huge case was pretty early in the day for a case that big. It's also a little convenient that store was sure Liam wasn't a smurf before he posted the case, or any reads at all on Liam. It's very easy for me to understand liam scum reading him. Palmar wasn't actually that lurky and the first thing he said was "cba to read." Of course this is scummy if you've never played with palmar before. Palmar was lurky when lian said he wanted to lynch him he had only said one thing at that point. He specifically said storr hadn't done anything worth mentioning and that was was just not true. I really liked storr's case and I think he was very town the way he went about it. I think we disagree on OO but to me he was obvious | ||
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On October 09 2014 23:08 ObiWanShinobi wrote: So we are still lynching Hopeless. Not if you try and lead it. | ||
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On October 09 2014 23:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Why are people defending someone that isn't even playing? Look at his filter and tell me that's a strong opinionated townie. It's basically one guy doing the absolute bare minimum to get by without giving his opinion on anything. Off the top of my head, I remember he has a "kind of" scumread on Lian who has actually been doing stuff. Lynch Hopeless. Lynch him faster. I will hard defend anyone that you think is scum | ||
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On October 09 2014 23:10 ObiWanShinobi wrote: If you're not going to follow me when I'm leading on mafia then you can just stop posting entirely. why do you think you have any right to lead anything. | ||
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On October 09 2014 23:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Then continue to be bad at this game. ugh , very classy | ||
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On October 09 2014 23:25 StorrZerg wrote: thanks for the great input badsnacks any other takers... Seemed confused. he didn't believe grak or hf. and thought mafia killed oats. I understand not believing hf from his POV, but the other parts he just seems confused. I'm not sure it is alignment indicative tbh. maybe it makes him a confused townie if anything. | ||
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On October 09 2014 23:43 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm pretty focused on this hopeless lynch. And I don't think I'm going to change my mind. So now that your top mafia, hf, has said he isn't actually the cop and so doesn't have a check on hope. you still want to push on it and won't consider anything else. | ||
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On October 10 2014 01:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm ignoring whatever it is because I'm sure it's not really important. it is very important and i want you to answer it now | ||
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On October 09 2014 23:52 KelsierSC wrote: So now that your top mafia, hf, has said he isn't actually the cop and so doesn't have a check on hope. you still want to push on it and won't consider anything else. | ||
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seems like he now has to find reasons to call.hope mafia none of them are convincing. Hope asked hf to explain a read and didn't play referee between obi and hf so he is mafia? Other reasons aren't true. When did hope scum read hf? | ||
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On October 10 2014 01:45 Damdred wrote: Lunch for me please post thoughts about my case, i'll answer or brain storm when I get back but i think hes scum. Obi is town though so you guys be nice to him hmm your case about lian has been made by store already it seems to me. why is obi town? | ||
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On October 10 2014 01:46 batsnacks wrote: If you already answered this sorry but Was there something specific that HF said d1 that made you say wtf? I'm trying to think of what would make you say wtf if you're auto-town reading someone. All I remember HF doing d1 was sort of pressuring oats early then staying on OO for the rest of the day. hf and obi had a fight | ||
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On October 10 2014 03:58 Damdred wrote: I'm back for a bit if anyone has questions and to kel about why obi is town. I have a good bit of experience with Obi, he can correct me but I think we've played 5-8 games together. I know you do not like looking at other games to give yourself a bench mark about how to read your scum. However if you would look at Storm Mafia 2 (obi was scum), 2p2 (Obi was scum) his day one lurkiness was there, however he did nothing in those games to really bring attention to himself he brought attention to himself here. When he did get pressured as scum he retreated or made little comments without doing much else. here he sat around the whole time he was attacked and bantered back and forth and actually showed that he cared and honestly argued and fought his way out of his lynch today. And He looks really towny today in the way hes pressuring people and talking to him. Overall I think hes town. Theres a small chance that Obi could be scum in some universe that i'm not part of but I think until he does something stupid or claims scum hes town. The way I read it all he has done is try and throw things at hope and wait till something sticks. I have asked him several times to defend himself over this and just sidestepped and ignored the issue. So now that your top mafia, hf, has said he isn't actually the cop and so doesn't have a check on hope. you still want to push on it and won't consider anything else. He still hasn't addressed these points. why didn't he bother to question hf being cop? if hf was his top mafia surely he should be suspicous of it, no he just says "yeh you are right lets lynch hope" right, makes total sense to sheep your top scum read. Then after hf reveals he isn't cop , obi has to come up with a reason for hope being mafia. If you read what he says most of it is. "oh my god you so scummy", "lynch you now" "why no vote scum" In terms of real reasons for hope being scum they are, apparently a) he asked hf to explain a read b) hope didn't stop obi and hf having a fight. I don't see any reason for this making someone scum. | ||
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Not really. Saying that Holyflare is town because it's easier than trying to read him is basically the epitome of making up reasons to townread someone. So you're still scum and you still need to get lynched. Then his reason for now town reading HF (who was his top scum) magic | ||
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On October 10 2014 04:51 batsnacks wrote: Yeah obi is town I don't know what you're doing keyser soze pointing out a myriad of legit reasons why someone is scum | ||
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On October 10 2014 04:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Tbh I could actually explain my townread on HF, but I've been overcome by the forces of lazy and my filter is already huge so stop bothering me. wow | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Oh come on. I've only been lynched three times as town, and two of those were newbie games. can you get to the part where you defend yourself please. | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Actually, I'm going to just drop this argument because I know it's going to lead to bad things. holy what in the fuck | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:10 batsnacks wrote: Obi you're giving Chelsea high blood pressure you should explain your HF read before he starts having complications who? | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Easy; your reads are consistent with the thread and you're putting more effort into pressuring people/gathering information instead of dropping poorly thought out meta reads a la almost every scum game you've played ever. The way you're interacting with the thread reflects a desire to understand rather than a desire to look for easy lynch targets. at the end of d1 he was your top lynch, you voted him. I read through hf n1, I didn't really see a huge amount of effort/pressuring people. then d2 starts and you are happy to believe his claim and sheep his read. your town read is just generic gibberish, "i like his effort, he looks like wants to understand." I see absolutely nothing in the night that could have made you switch so much. | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Why is it that you believe I explicitly believe his claim? I have a strong case on Hopeless and I'm going after him full force. I don't know why you think all this tertiary stuff is important. because you fucking voted on hopeless immediately afterwards what the fuck. if your top mafia read decides to lynch someone you think sheeping the read is a good idea? | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:22 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Why is it that you believe I explicitly believe his claim? I have a strong case on Hopeless and I'm going after him full force. I don't know why you think all this tertiary stuff is important. still waiting on the strong case btw. you also didn't go full force straight away. you asked this On October 09 2014 13:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Actually. Can I get some opinions on Hopeless? It's like he's one of those players that a bunch of people are suspicious of but nobody wants to pull the trigger. Thoughts. Go. like hey, i need someone other people to go on this. then after 3 people voted, one of whom was your top fucking mafia then you go after him | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote: He isn't my top mafia read. This read changed some time ago. This is why I am voting Hopeless, my new top mafia read. Do you want me to hold your hand? what? hold my hand? at the time you pushed on hope , hf was still one of your top mafia reads, there is nothing in the night that could make you switch from top scum to town. your reasoning doesnt make sense. yet you dont even question the fact your top mafia is voting the same person as you. | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:30 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It's like all of the words I typed regarding Hopeless up and vanished into the ether just so you could attack me. no they are still there and shall live on as an embarrassment to your family. your case on him is. he asked hf to explain a read he didn't break up the fight. SO SCUMMY SO SCUMMY LYNCH not that strong certainly not as strong as my case on you. | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote: No he wasn't. Here, let me walk you through this again: HF pressured me and changed his read based on my reaction and responses and showed a good level of understanding towards the points I was trying to make. This is why I thought he was town, and why I still think he is town. It's like I explicitly have to walk you through every little crevasse in my brain just so you can go away. but you voted on him so that is absolute garbage again your read is just generic gibberish, I don't see anything in the night that makes you switch hf from top scum to town. You weren't even a tiny bit suspicous or show any concern about it. | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Yeah, and if I could've unvoted him during the night sequence, I would have. Seriously. You are the only person that thinks I'm mafia at this point and you're reaching new heights of annoying. sorry I know mafia don't like being pressured. give me good examples of hf putting in loads of effort, pressuring people and showing understanding that make you lose all suspicion of him? | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Rofl, this is so dumb. You can just continue to tunnel me until Hopeless flips scum. Then you can stop bothering me. I have nothing more to say to you since nothing I say will ever convince you otherwise. no give me examples and I will honestly reevaluate | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:37 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I don't care if you reevaluate. You're pissing me off and I don't give a shit about your vote or opinion anymore. I can get my lynch without you. so you can't explain why hf turned from your top mafia, to beyond suspicion town. ok what is that stupid shit you say when you post something stupid? oh yeh QED | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It doesn't matter. I already know you're not listening to what I'm saying. It's 100% confirmation bias so no matter what I give you you're just going to continue to tunnel. I am listening to you, very carefully. that is why you are in this predicament. just explan it to me, if I like the explanation then I can reevaluate. | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I'm not in any predicament. You are the only person in the entire game that thinks I'm mafia. can you stop dodging and explain it to me. | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I might explain this to you at a later time during this day. But that time is most certainly not now. I am going to take a break and I'll reconsider walking you through my thought process later. Alright. cool I didn't want to get so heated about things but the only thing that stops me voting hope is the fact that you are the one pushing him and everything you do just seems scummy. | ||
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On October 10 2014 05:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You video mafia guys always have the weirdest sense of roleclaims. This is not true. And this is why you need to get yourself out of the tunnel. I'm trying but your scumminess keeps drawing me back in | ||
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On October 10 2014 06:06 Holyflare wrote: Do you think a mafia obi would be this annoying instead of just trying to appease you and push a mislynch on hopeless? sorry I don't understand what you mean | ||
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On October 10 2014 06:10 Holyflare wrote: If obi was mafia and like you are assuming, is pushing a mislynch on hopeless, why would he argue and be this annoying instead of just explaining the first time and thus getting you off him onto his mislynch? He did try to explain but I pointed out I needed an example that made obi flip his read on you. possible explanation is he can't find an example because there isn't one. I'm kind of conflicted because I am filter diving hope at the moment and a lot of stuff I don't like. We share some of the same reads but his early play is weak and he hasn't contributed in a meaningful way. I don't agree with the reasons obi is pushing him for though. Obi has done a lot of scummy things that I can't ignore. | ||
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@hf - so the reason I didn't like what dam had done was that his post on lian seemed to be a copy of storr's reasons to lynch lian. Like yeh lian has been scummy so why do you need to do a giant post about it now? Also at the time he said obi was playing magical and was really town and I just didn't agree with that read. So that was what I didnt like about it. For dam On October 10 2014 08:07 Damdred wrote: If i was so into tunneling i would be going for bats right now honesty has the one who voted me free all. However i think you re decently scullery now you are soft pushing hoping for support. I've pressured people asked questions nd did a case. So not as unless slyly make out. Why he you singing? And in not ignoring you blazing up respond in depth when i hit a comp or better signl I mean why would you tunnel on bs at all I don't understand that? I Still believe dam is town though. Last game I played he got pinged out for a quiet d1 and d2 and he used the same defence he is using here. Maybe he has an inflated sense of his contribution to the game though. For slam His big post was the first serious thing he posted , I can't comment on the thing hapa said about uncommon knowledge and lying, I want to know what lie hf pointed out. But I like the vote and slam is probably town. Will update on lian. obi and hope soon | ||
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for lian, what I don't like is that his defence is mostly based on "you are tunneling" yep if you play scummy people are going to ask questions , pressure you and try to get you lynched. Deal with it. He also calls out storr for not doing anything which is not the impression I have of storr at all. Also he town reads hope, why? has he been super active doing stuff? hope has thrown out some reads but I can't see a reason why. Obi is town, why? dam scum, why? I just see a lack of effort and no basis for reads. | ||
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On October 10 2014 21:30 Damdred wrote: In HF I trust, and I realize I can't get lia lynched today unto the other person I think is scum then. Kel, I never said I was tunneling him. Infact i'm pretty sure besides that one post and calling him out for not doing anything i've not tunneled on him really. Also I have done things this game, my case is close to storrs but I still feel it scum reads him for slightly different reasons, the list post reason is the same but meh. And I wanted to make a case and try to get my top scum read lynched. I know you never said you were tunneling him, but you said if you were going to to tunnel it wuld be on bs, why? Like I said hf asked me what I didn't like and I didn't like the list post which felt like storr's. As for pushing on lian, I think that is towny so. | ||
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On October 10 2014 21:39 Damdred wrote: Lian said that I was tunneling him for being called out, if i was really lost in omgus I would be on BS because he was voting me and he also called me out in the thread. I really don't care about being called out, all hes done is soft pushed me without any real push behind it no reason to get tunneled over that. k thanks for clarifying that. | ||
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On October 10 2014 21:39 Damdred wrote: Lian said that I was tunneling him for being called out, if i was really lost in omgus I would be on BS because he was voting me and he also called me out in the thread. I really don't care about being called out, all hes done is soft pushed me without any real push behind it no reason to get tunneled over that. Yeh I don't think you are that tunneled on him tbh he has been scummy and again I think his accusation of you is poor. Reading your post again you do bring up some new scummy things he has done post storr's case including the casting doubt on the vigi claim and how he discredits people/ accuses storr/palmar. pretty sure you are town. | ||
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On October 11 2014 00:01 StorrZerg wrote: HF/bats maybe more. thing is people are willing to call him scum, even agree with points made against him, how ever no one seems to be putting their vote with their mouth. (hopeless day 1 for example) so do you think no one putting their vote with their mouth makes lian scummy or town? It feels towny to me. no one really defending him, other players happy to nudge you on towards lynching him | ||
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On October 10 2014 23:36 batsnacks wrote: It sounds really reasonable. But I don't think the reason store is tunneling Liam is because Liam is new here. Also last game the new person was much, much different than Liam. That guy got really bitter and shut down under pressure. Liam is not shutting down. So, that sort of nullifies Liam's logic. Even though it sounds really good. It's too late in the game to be playing the "I'm new" card, and what Liam just wrote is more or less a really wordy iteration of the "I'm new" card. I don't think lian is playing a "i'm new card" his reason for reading storr as town is because he looked at a previous game and saw it was storr's usual play style. | ||
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On October 11 2014 00:42 batsnacks wrote: Yeah but I don't think store's reason for scum reading Liam is because he's new. And that's what Liam said. yeh I suppose he did in as many words. I want to know what storr thinks about the unvote and flip. | ||
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On October 11 2014 00:51 Hopeless1der wrote: how does it matter whether I've read everyone else? if damd/lian are the 2 scum then why is dam making some huge post on lian being mafia and lian constnatly picking dam as one of his top scum reads. | ||
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On October 11 2014 04:40 Blazinghand wrote: I am kinda amazed that I can't get a lynch going on OWS. It's basically my fault for not playing this right, not appealing to what people think is scumtells, instead using my own logic. My goal isn't to convince myself, it's to convince you guys now. In any case, I'm back and will read the damdred case, and see what the deal is. Let me know if you guys need anything from me. no i think he is scum don't buy that reason, i think the points against you were good obi and so because hf reads you town he is now your town beyond question instead of top mafia. so outlining my case one last time. a) omgus on hf excessively. b)tried to get a switch off oo but retracts immediately c) says the lynch is outside oo but then his entry to d2 is lynch hope/lian both voted oo d) after someone votes hope he asks "what are peoples thoughts" then only after 2 people vote he then says yeh lets get hope and attacks him. e) one of the people voting hope is his top scum and the person he voted i hf, he doesn't even bother to question this or be suspect of hf after his claims. f) his reasons for hope being scum.are ridiculous. He asked hf to explain a read and hope didn't stop the hf obi fight. Why is this scummy! too many acum actions i cant lynch someone he goes after. ##vote obiwan | ||
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On October 11 2014 04:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote: So I'm just assuming that everyone ignoring the points I made against Hopeless at day start are mafia from here on out. you didn't make a single good point | ||
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On October 11 2014 04:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Also, HF's points are good. Mine are better though. Because obviously. hf makes good points but you didn't that is key | ||
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On October 11 2014 04:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Okay, I'm just going to have you lynched when Hopeless flips scum. Nobody is that dense. Nobody. again your not.even defending yourself you are just dodging by points | ||
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On October 11 2014 05:10 Holyflare wrote: He actually has made good points i dunno wtf you are talking about. which was good? he asked you to explain a read after you posted "reasons" he didn't step in and stop you and obi fighting. Yeh lots of people , discussion is good yo | ||
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" scum,scum scummy as his posts" or he just copies your reasons | ||
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"hey i want to get peoples thoughts on this guy next post "lynch hope he is so fucking scum omg!" | ||
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On October 11 2014 05:15 Holyflare wrote: That's not the reason he scum read hopeless at all. That's incredibly false of you. Read his filter again. i read his arguments that is the basis i see, not false at allowed | ||
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On October 09 2014 13:21 ObiWanShinobi wrote: The shenanniest of shenannigans. Seriously though, let me take the wheel. I got this shit. ##vote hopeless1der | ||
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On October 10 2014 01:09 ObiWanShinobi wrote: No, but I can give you scumpoints for being a useless sack of scum. Question: why is it that you intervened in the Holyflare/me fight, just to show no interest in ever fixing it or following up on it? You basically poured fuel on the flames earlier in the game and then left it alone completely. You've never shown any interest in figuring out what was going on in that fight. | ||
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On October 10 2014 01:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You came to the conclusion that HF was town for no reason, despite him confusing the shit out of you early day 1, and you have yet to explain where either of those reads went or why. It has nothing to do with "fixing my shit" but it has everything to do with coming in, showing interest in moving the fight forward, and then doing absolutely nothing with it at all. You pushed him to explain his read on me and then never bothered to do anything with anything. This is what normal mafia players would call "instigating." | ||
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On October 09 2014 13:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Actually. Can I get some opinions on Hopeless? It's like he's one of those players that a bunch of people are suspicious of but nobody wants to pull the trigger. Thoughts. Go. note how he posts this and then launches into offensive needs to prod first before hr launches his nonsense fueled attack | ||
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On October 11 2014 07:27 Holyflare wrote: This hopeless never lynch reasons are SUPER superficial btw can you explain more | ||
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On October 11 2014 07:38 Holyflare wrote: Have you read it...? "bh playing game" "bat traps" "palmar being a twat" "grack un cc'd vig" Really silly reads that show no thought of the game and pick up really random things to give a necer lynch town read. Ridiculous. Then he all out wants to lynch damd despite nobody agreeing and then falls flat when that's over with. sorry gf can you find the quote i don't see it. Unless that is it condensed. yeh i don't like palmar being on his never lynch list. Palmar was town for me after oo flipped scum but he isn't never lynch st all. | ||
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On October 11 2014 07:48 Holyflare wrote: It's not condensed they are his actual reads yeh I would like to see more details or better reasons why he can never lynch those people | ||
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On October 11 2014 08:21 Holyflare wrote: I actually think kelsier is probably mafia by the way go ahead in pretty happy to destroy anything you say | ||
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i read you town d1 and maintained that view, i thought fake claiming vigi as cop was a pretty smart play and had no reason to doubt the claim. Also the main issue I had with hope being mafia was that obi was one of the people pushing for it. i cant see obi as being town, i have made excellent points showing his scum actions which he dodges or doesn't explain properly. See my filter all my points are corrrect. You said "if you put it together it looks scummy. So I don't town read obi soni am scum, be fucking real. | ||
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On October 11 2014 08:40 Holyflare wrote: Let's lynch obi just for you then precious. so I'm mafia? but now you want to lynch my top scum read i dont evenings | ||
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On October 11 2014 08:45 Holyflare wrote: It's quite a high feeling of you being scum yes but that's from just generally being around you and your actions and not a real breakdown of your filter. Hopeless is still the best lynch but you still won't stfu about obi for the rest of the game and neither will bh till he dies. I'm conceding to your lynch so grack can shoot hopeless. i raised several valid points about obi and asked.him repeatedly to defend himself, he didn't do so. If i want him to answer and he refuses i cant be to blame. again you still think.im.scum after i just refuted everything you said | ||
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On October 11 2014 08:48 Holyflare wrote: You didn't destroy any argument at all about you being mafia because i haven't made it yet? what the fuck you just posted the argument about me and i destroyed every point. | ||
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On October 11 2014 08:30 Holyflare wrote: I was quite obviously shot last night and that's the only thing giving me pause so the person/people that would have shot me last night were either asleep because eu time or new people that didn't understand how extremely towny i actually am. Lian/kel fall into that. Also in regards to kel it's something about how he goes into town reading people that irks me quite a lot, especially throwing out these random things like when i said i had a red check on hopeless and rather than question things about obi or any other reaction that would have been legit straight away jumped to hopeless being framed and has [b]pushed obi no matter what all day despite obi still being town [b/]. | ||
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On October 11 2014 09:01 Holyflare wrote: Yes but unlike hopeless i intend to fully back it up and make posts about it and this lynch of yours will be quite telling. but you havent you have lied repeatedly throughout this accusation. you said "where did i say anything about obi" even though that is part of your opening argument. all you did was come in and say hey guys kelsier is scum i have a strong read. and your reasons are all shit with no backup. Backup your bullshit about my town reads being bad. oh wait in eu timezone pfft have to be mafia. | ||
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On October 11 2014 09:08 Holyflare wrote: The eu timezone is about lian not you, my read is a feeling one and i read your filter earlier and thought it looked pretty scummy. You're literally being silly and attacking for no reason because i haven't posted a case yet and when i do you can go ahead and "destroy my bull shit" but until then stfu and let's lynch obi oh wow so you have even less reasons to call me mafia. Dude your read is super strong. again you haven't developed any reads on me."i look pretty scummy" "my reads irk you" like if That is the weak shit you ate bringing i am so sad you are town. i did warn you not to come at me ,.sit back down boy | ||
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On October 11 2014 09:12 Holyflare wrote: You are really over aggressive at something I've pretty much said in passing and have made no case on. Yet you don't show this level of attitude to any of hopeless' myriad of useless posts. It's pretty interesting. again you lie. You did make a case on me. slam what was that thing you posted about people.lying | ||
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On October 11 2014 09:17 Holyflare wrote: I don't know how many times i have to say it but i haven't made any case on you. The me being shot is a case why it's more likely a eu timezone person is mafia and so hopeless might actually not be mafia and the conclusion i reached was lian might be mafia. The other part of the post showed something that irked me which you didn't actually address so w/e you say. If i made a case it would contain quotes and be damning. are you just not reading the game i addressed all 3 of your points and blew the argument out of the water. you just gave a superficial read and disrupted the thread. like i said just accept you are wrong, and tell me what you thought about lians case against dama | ||
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On October 11 2014 09:21 Holyflare wrote: Quite literally you addressed 2 points that weren't addressed to you and the other point you addressed wrong because you didn't say anything about hopeless being framed. I've also said lians case was bad because i town read damd. that doesn't address the contents of his case though. you attacked me with 3 points. 1) my town reads irked you - superficial and untrue read, all my town reads have good reasoning. Back it.up 2) i scum read obi. Yeh because he is scummy as fuck and doesn't defend himself , just says lynch jopr. All my points are valid 3) i didn't question your cop claim, yep because i town read you and i thought fake vigi real cop was smart. Obi pushed on hope i think obi is scum. So hope is town and could be framed. | ||
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On October 11 2014 09:24 Holyflare wrote: You think I'm town anyway so what you're doing now is pathetic and distracting from the lynch. you called me scum first dude. If you think defending yourself when someone calls you town is "pathetic" then you probably shouldn't call anyone scum. | ||
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On October 11 2014 08:30 Holyflare wrote: I was quite obviously shot last night and that's the only thing giving me pause so the person/people that would have shot me last night were either asleep because eu time or new people that didn't understand how extremely towny i actually am. Lian/kel fall into that. Also in regards to kel it's something about how he goes into town reading people that irks me quite a lot, especially throwing out these random things like when i said i had a red check on hopeless and rather than question things about obi or any other reaction that would have been legit straight away jumped to hopeless being framed and has pushed obi no matter what all day despite obi still being town. why do you continue to lie | ||
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again if defending yourself when you get called scum is petty i don't know how you think the game works | ||
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you said i didn't question your cop claim it is in that post! | ||
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On October 11 2014 09:32 Holyflare wrote: You have the reading comprehension of a nat. It's quite hard to believe you come from the UK. well at least you can rise above my pettiness and be the better man | ||
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you said my town reads.irk you you said i push on obi i scum read obi, i have valid reasons obi pushes on hope. So i read hope as town possibility of a framer in the game. i read you as town so your cop claim seems reasonable to me. | ||
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i don't see any town motivation at all. im mafia then? | ||
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lynch obi, he is scum. See my filter for the damming case that he dodges repeatedly i cant decide between lian and dama..im not sure. I don't know if dam defended himself as perfectly as hf thought he did. Lians case on him is ok but again lian could be mafia. Store thinks lian is mafia.. Decide on that next day. hf , was fun, sorry i was so pathetic and petty. Next time i will just si quietly and let you call me mafia. p.s it is gnat as opposed to nat. The g is silent | ||
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i guess it looks bad on me that hope flipped scum. But i was positive obi was scummy and i had excellent reasons to believe that. Maybe he is 3rd party or maybe he was just having a bad game and not really thinking things through. anyway you can cop check me or whatever and realise I'm town which will put a stop to all the scum on me. Interestingly i notice dam and lian are pretty happy to call me scum despite having town reads on me before. I have played a strong town game, gave good reasons for my town reads , looked at different angles, asked intelligent cases and presented strong cases on people who are scum. as for the final mafia. Someone who didn't vote on hope would be a safe place to lynch. Yeh that includes me but again i pushed really hard on obi and all my reasons were valid. | ||
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On October 12 2014 03:54 Grackaroni wrote: Ok thoughts on KSC Day1 you seemed to feel Hopeless was pretty scummy and you gave a town read to obi because he questioned dam/lian Your reasoning here doesn't make much sense to me and doesn't really seem good enough to warrant a full flip-flop on your reads. You argue mafia didn't have much of a chance to start a counter wagon so they would probably vote Obi for towncred, thus you town read me/Palmar/Batsnacks for being on a counter wagon. However, in your mind Obi also tried to start a counter wagon on Palmar rather than just sit back and say nothing but that makes him scummy? Leaving a vote on HF was understandable in your earlier read of Obi because he was annoyed at HF but now you think that Obi leaving his vote on HF is scummy. It really feels like you were just taking advantage of the thread sentiment against obi started by Blazinghand rather than making your own read. Throughout all of day 2 even though Hopeless was the main wagon for the day you didn't give an opinion on anything in his filter and just said that he's town because obi is pushing him, which I think was an incredibly scummy way to avoid addressing Hopeless. You even said you would be scum reading Hopeless if it wasn't for Obi pushing him. I would have expected some sort of attempt to interact with Hopeless. Yep initially I had a town read of obi early d1. But if you look at why I read him as scum it is for reasons around the votes on d1 and his actions d2. So that isn't a contradiction. I gave good reasons why I thought obi was scum. My point is that everyone who voted on obi d1 was probably town or not mafia because there was never going to be a counter wagon. So people who voted obi did it because they are town and because they legitimately found him scummy. I thought mafia just voted OO to gain cred. They knew he would flip scum. If you ask why do I want to lynch obi as he didn't vote on OO, I explained this before. The situation didn't apply to him because there was a lot of pressure on him. It looks really fucking scummy to just vote OO and switch off hf as soon as people start pressuring him. In that case not voting OO didn't clear him, he could either vote OO and look scummy for the late switch or just keep his vote on hf. I don't think at any stage I just agreed with someone's read on obi. I was leading the lynch on obi d2 , I examined him carefully and provided an excellent case against him Like I said the only reason I didn't vote hope is because I was convinced obi was scum and he did nothing to convince me otherwise. | ||
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Obi wanted to get a counter wagon going and it failed miserably hence it proved that no counter wagon was ever going to work. | ||
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He also left his vote on hf which was silly to me. He also seemed very depressed after the lynch. | ||
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obi couldn't vote on oo because it would have looked really scummy st that point when there was a lot of pressure on him. | ||
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obi attempted to get a counter wagon beforehand but it totally failed .. | ||
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On October 12 2014 17:51 Palmar wrote: As for the players who are left. This is how the game looks right now. Not mafia: KelsierSC - This is based on his repeated insistence on being an asshole. If he's faking it, he's pretty good. The one thing that really sticks out is that he wanted to completely bury me on day 1, but then basically was okay with stepping back and changing his mind during night one. Holyflare - basically for lynching mafia. Grackaroni - not cc'd, shots going through, we definitely have a vigi with the 3 kills tonight. Confirmed. Never lynch. StorrZerg Possible mafia Damdred - My best bet for mafia. Obi seems more invested atm and I still can't remember anything Damdred is posting. To be perfectly honest I'm being super lazy this game, but still, I should've noticed at least something. This probably means I'm mafia, it's always the guys I don't notice because their posting is so boring and bland that are mafia. Alakaslam - I sincerely hope he was cop checked. I never try to read slam and this game is not an exception ObiWanShinobi - Has tried harder later in the game. Wanted to lynch me on day 1 and wants to lynch me now, which basically means he's super interested in lynching townies. Could be mafia. As for third parties, just lynch Holyflare. I hadn't even noticed that hopeless outed him. I've had this happen like twice to me as third party where I'm wrecking scum, they try to shoot me night 1, then when I lynch them day 2 they claim. Go read arkham asylum for context. There's no point in lying for Hopeless, all he's doing is giving his team a free "mislynch". This is one of the reasons I hate having SKs in games. It's just so shit to be an SK when mafia decides they're mad at you and want to ruin your game. HF has otherwise played super well as 3p. So yeah, I honestly think we should not be assholes and basically hunt the mafia, and then lynch HF. HF you should totally work with us and not send in a kill next night, or kill the mafia. If we fuck up and don't find the last mafia, the game is yours. Deal? Also just because people are playing the game doesn't make them an asshole. | ||
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On October 12 2014 06:49 Damdred wrote: I have to go back and read I think but didn't a lot of those votes get on obi before the failed shenanigans? I was asleep around votes so I don't recall it that way. On October 12 2014 06:50 Damdred wrote: and wouldn't the obi wagon BE the counterwagon in that case since he gained hte most traction This question has already been asked and answered The people who voted on Obi I read as town, It wasn't a mafia counter wagon, it was town voting someone scummy. | ||
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if he is null to a lot of people and you said that you weren't sure he would have made sense as a cop check and hence frame target. I'm pretty sure i explained that to you before , taking my quotes out of context is really clever of you | ||
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On October 12 2014 23:58 Holyflare wrote: i didn't push anything and you keep saying it and have no actual proper reads other than obi which you fucked up like i said you just pretend you didn't call me.mafia or write an accusation. if obi plays scummy and doesn't defend himself i cant be blamed for reading him as scum. i have given all my reads throughout the game so saying i don't have proper reads is just not true. Continuously lying to make a case on me is really dumb. I imagine it is just your wounded pride rather than scum though. | ||
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On October 13 2014 00:07 Holyflare wrote: hur hur qq more because you know i'm town yeh you are town, so why are you making up points or taking quotes out of context to push on me. read my play ive played a strong town game, I'm not the lynch | ||
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you dodged my questions repeatedly and when you did answer you said you town read hf because his n1 play totally trirned him fr.your top scum to town but didn't give any evidence to support this. the rest of my points you didn't answer | ||
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your going to lynch me so i shut up? I'm allowed to have a scum read, I'm allowed to put my points forward dont be so childish your case on hopeless was bad for two reasons i gave. You said he didn't break up the fight, and he asked hf to explain a read . How was that scummy of him. Again you didn't answer. the rest of the case i agreed with but a lot of it you borrowed off othr people. also you asked people "het what you think of hopeless" and then went on a full offfensive. If you had such a strong read you should have gone at him right from the start. so i has good reasons to suspect you as scum, so me pushing you doesn't make me scummy at all | ||
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like i said i found obi very scum, of course obi will disagree with me but i had very solid reasons i have explained my reasonings multiple times if you have specific questions about my reads on obi then ask them but it was from a town perspective and there was nothing scummy about my pressure on him. Many other players who were town found obi scummy aswell. i will try and find the last mafia tomorrow i just have t had the time to filter dive and look at votes so I'm really sorry to those of you who wanted reads off me | ||
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On October 14 2014 00:27 Palmar wrote: Fuck it, I'm giving 100% free pass to HF throughout the game if a medic protected him. I don't even care if there's still chance he's 3p even with medic protection. I just cba. that is quite a shift | ||
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hf has played like the top fucking town outside of grak Imo. If you play super town mafia just shoots you | ||
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i meant they didn't vote on hope, mafia cant be in the hope vote | ||
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when you carried on trolling pretty sure everyone was sick and tired of you. if store is town because he got mad at you pretty sure everyone is town then | ||
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and because he reacted to you asking for medic. you said hf was actually really towny. but lynching storr or slam is too risky. I'm trying to understand this but | ||
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but no probably not. i don't think medic should claim . Could get us a save tonight | ||
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i don't think you are mafia based on your hard defence of obi and you pushed on hope. Plus the way you went on lian felt towny even if it was wrong. slam is probably last mafia. Dont know about poisoner yet | ||
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On October 14 2014 01:13 Holyflare wrote: shouldn't you have already got a general idea the moment hopeless flipped mafia..? been very busy at the moment man haven't been able to focus too much. plus people started attacking me and i was defending myself | ||
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On October 14 2014 01:17 Alakaslam wrote: I think kelsier is mafia damn i thought you had decided to take the game seriously. but then you start posting more nonsense and trolling again. | ||
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On October 14 2014 01:18 StorrZerg wrote: i dont give 2 shits if its PoE for you. if you are going to label me as scum you better have a reason. and poe for you doesn't determine damd as town, it means it is not mafia in your eyes. thats some bad PoE to just leave "psner hanging around" like this. lol you think damd was the n1 shot? | ||
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On October 14 2014 01:20 Alakaslam wrote: But you push me for the very reason that makes you scum! Who is trolling dude? again poe makes you mafia. plus you haven't actually bothered to play the game at all so i have no issues lynching you | ||
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you town read obi. Good for you. He was scummy as fuck to me and i has valid reasons. Bh voted him, bh was town. I wasn't alone in my thoughts. if i read you town why would i not believe you have a cop claim. i explained before that i believed hope would be a good copmchdck and hence a good frame target. Making you aware of all possibilities isn't mafia sided at all it is good town play | ||
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On October 14 2014 01:27 Alakaslam wrote: But PoE also makes you mafia for exactly the same reason and HF has more reasons! And he has singlehandedly destroyed this scumteam! defended all this reasons. yep hope being mafia makes me scummy, but i had strong reasons to vote obi and pushed him hard. your reason "I'm sheeping bh" followed up by more irritating nonsense and trolling | ||
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there was only one kill n1, so poisoner was shot right. we dont have medic | ||
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Right now I still think slam is mafia. I think his reasons to vote on obi were bad, he just sheeped BH. He didn't play the game d2 but continued to troll. He has also pushed for an HF kill which is crazy to me considering HF is really town this game. he then says this On October 14 2014 01:27 Alakaslam wrote: But PoE also makes you mafia for exactly the same reason and HF has more reasons! And he has singlehandedly destroyed this scumteam! But at that point still wanted to vote HF I am still figuring out this poisoner thing. | ||
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Say mafia shoots poisoner last night. Firstly mafia has to hope he doesn't get vigi shot, and then with only 1 kp he has to get like 3 ML's. Is my math right on that? Either way it is possible that mafia member needs to preserve 2 KP. | ||
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On October 14 2014 06:38 StorrZerg wrote: part of why i think kel is more likely mafia than damd. seems mroe likely the other mafia was on obi. yeh I don't think damd is mafia at all. | ||
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On October 14 2014 06:39 Holyflare wrote: just focus on who is mafia/poisoner and if you are poisoner just focus on who is mafia because you have already lost because i rb'd you Right but the whole crux of damd being poisoner is that we have a medic in the game. The reason we believe a medic exists is because poisoner wasn't killed by mafia. I'm saying maybe mafia didn't kill poisoner. In which case there is no reason that we believe a medic exists so mafia shot damd n1. I just can't see it. | ||
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On October 14 2014 06:42 StorrZerg wrote: mafia doesn't know a psner is in the game last night though. we only confirmed psner is in this game when we woke up this day. Mafia doesn't half to hope. It was pretty clear who was going to be shot by the vig. Conclusion, they can't have known if their n1 shot was on a medic or psn. Continuing with the shot, confirms to them whats in the game, + psner still would get a second kill even after death (correct?) By killing who they shot n1, it confirms whats going on in the game, and lets the last mafia have the most possible information going into this day. yeh that makes sense actually. | ||
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On October 14 2014 06:46 Holyflare wrote: i know who medic is i think ahh but he said he wasn't!! maybe that explains somethings actually. | ||
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I think his comment on you dying was kind of innocuous hf, you have been really towny all game so it is likely scum want you dead. I think that was what his message was rather than "I know mafia tried to kill you...because it was me MWAHAHAHA" | ||
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On October 14 2014 03:17 Palmar wrote: say what bro? Screw it, you're probably mafia. ##unvote ##vote Damdred You literally said "for whatever reason" and in the next post you claimed to have read the reasons and they seem logical palmar for poisoner mayb | ||
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Palmer has been , overall, pretty lurky and disinterested today his main goal has been to lynch hf, who is the top town. and then as soon as hf starts accusing dam he immediately switches over to him for a really lackluster reason. not happy with palmer at all. on a slam = mafia, palmar = psn right now. | ||
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On October 14 2014 07:19 Damdred wrote: HF can I do anything to get your red check off me today? don't ask him mate, just go fucking do it. | ||
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key points 1) sees dam a bit scummy or in a "top lynch position", dam also scum reads bs 2) he town reads palmar or likes his reads, think they both vote same way 3) he also pretty hard town reads lian so here is the thing, on first glance the initial points seem to incriminate dam, but I think as poisoner you would more likely just buddy up to someone, get a town read and then kill them so that it makes you look town later on. So I actually think the first two points incriminate palmar more than dam. maybe I am thinking to deeply though. for the final point. if you poison bs you assume he will be alive tomorrow so why do you choose that day to go hard on someone he reads as town. dam goes hard at lian, I can't find anything in palmar's filter about lian at all. Possibly he was going to choose today to go at him. Again maybe going to deep. I am leaning towards palmar being poisoner after the bs filter dive . thoughts? | ||
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On October 14 2014 08:52 Alakaslam wrote: Do you seriously think I was voting him as a mafia versus a third party? A third party is no ally to scum. They are not synonymous. It just seems inconsistent to me to vote on someone who has destroyed scum and instead follow the lead of palmar, who hasn't done anything all game. you just seem happy to wagon on anything that happens today. | ||
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On October 14 2014 08:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I see a wagon on Damdred. What happened? hf made a case against him that seems quite weak to me. essentially dama said something like "hf will probably die today" and hf took it to mean that dam KNOWS he is going to die, because he poisoned him or something. and then people like palmar bw'd on it. | ||
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On October 14 2014 09:02 StorrZerg wrote: I'd rather kel today. palmar hard reading kel as town for "trying" basically hf has it in his mind that damd is confirmed anti town. no I have had a pretty strong d3 and actively tried to figure out the game today I think my world of slam as mafia and palmar as psnr is correct. | ||
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On October 14 2014 09:26 Holyflare wrote: why didn't you just tell me this before jeez been saying it all day. | ||
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On October 14 2014 09:30 Holyflare wrote: you think it's really towny to just qq and leave the thread or do what you did day 2? my d2 was incredibly towny , just my vote was wrong. dam did qq but then came back to the thread and he has been actively figuring out the game. plus all the things i wrote about bs kind of make me think palmar is psnr not dam. dam is not mafia tbh based on votes. | ||
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Palmar came into the thread really late and I gave a pretty hard scum read of him, I also gave good reasons why liam is mafia, some of them you included in your big post. but I am not going to push a lynch on someone and maybe ML when it is clear OO is mafia. I wasn't directing pressure away. at the time bh came in with his RNG I really felt it was disruptive to the thread. I don't see how that makes me scummy if I get annoyed when town gets disrupted. and this obi thing is just silly, he was scummy, lots of town agreed with me. I led a push on him. I didn't just sit back or switch to an easier target. | ||
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On October 14 2014 10:23 Alakaslam wrote: Kelsier pointed at me with some vote thread analysis PoE and said I must be scum I said PFFT I am researching that Went and checked the thread, Came back and was like he is scum for the same reason! So his case is bs But so is mine on him And HF is just saying I am wagon ing so I know for fact he is lazy and wow traffic the )0 is really bumpy hard to write yes i eliminated myself as being scum from a PoE process...because I know I am not scum. we both voted on obi, but I actually led the push and had good reasons for reading him as scum, you just sheeped BH. i'm pretty sure you are scum. | ||
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I am sure slam is mafia. 1) last mafia didn't vote on hope. has to be slam or me. 2) difference being I gave reasons for my push on obi and led it with a strong town game, slam just sheeped the read because "bh" 3) I've been figuring out this game and giving my reads throughout. slam has just nonsense posted and trolled 4) he has wagoned everything this day and contradicted himself on hf. saying he had "destroyed scum team" but he still wanted to lynch him. anyone wanting to lynch hf today is scum as far as I am concerned ## vote Alakaslam | ||
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KelsierSC
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my reads haven't changed, slam is still mafia I think palmar is poisoner. given obi is cop. I imagine he checked hf n1 and then n2 he checked someone who died and that is why he didn't reveal. maybe bh was a good check for him. Either way i think the only relevant thing from obi being cop is that he called hf clear town. for palmar he kind of lurked and didn't contribute until d3 and that point his agenda was to kill hf and then wanting the medic to come out. Didn't agree with the logic. I don't like how he has such a strong town read on me. Yeh ive played a town game but my reads have been off considering i wanted to vote obi. for slam, what bugs me is that he admits the mafia is between him and me, then he proceeds to vote on dam, why, does he think dam is poisoner, i don't see how anyone can have that belief , again it just seemed like he wanted to lunch anyone that wasn't him. He also spoke nonsense for two days and was happy to vote obi because bh was doing it. I don't like his reasons. His play yesterday was illogical and he seemed to be wanting to cover his tracks. He was happy to be on a hf is psnr wagon with palmar, why isn't he concerned that palmar is suddenly alive and pushing the lynch on hf. he said "i think palmar and hf are both right" but they were saying different things. then you look at his votes and it doesn't look good either. i will make a case with quotes etc tonight, but csnt really do it in my phone. as for me. Ive been less active last day and night phase but i was still figuring out the game and did some excellent analysis on palmar being poisoner which people just ignored. The main scum read on me is i voted obi. I explained i found him scummy however it is not true that i jumped on a wagon ,.i led the push beginning d2 i had excellent reasons for it. tldr palmar psnr, slam mafia | ||
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