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So here's what happens 1) you all will follow me since I'm the best player here 2) I will lynch the guy via RNG as determined by this post (the one you're reading right now)'s post count modulo 9. Since so many people are posting at once on TL it's impossible for us to know what's going down. Basically, in addition to a "what post in this thread" post ID, each post has a unique sitewide id # that's increasing so quickly because of TL traffic, I can use it to RNG effectively. I've done this before. It works. If you don't know what "modulo" means or how my rng lynch works after this explantion, you are not mathematically and educationally qualified to claim that this lynch is not RNG. For RNG, this post will be used for generating a random lynch. The # in the upper left corner can be right-clicked and used to access the absolute TL post # for this post. That number mod 9 is the random lynch. 1 =Oats, 2 = rayn, etc, all the way up to 8 = holyflare and 0 = sloosh. The reason we use the absolute TL post number is that posts are constantly being made, so the number is truly random. We turn it into a number 1-14 by taking that number mod 14. What is mod? effectively, it's the remainder after division. For example. 13 mod 14 = 13. 14 mod 14 = 0. 18 mod 14 = 4. 19 mod 14 = 5. and so on. Basically, this generates a random number 1 through 14. I am in favor of the random lynch (though am somewhat interested in a policy lynch today as well-- TL does not do this enough. I will start off by voting for the random lynched based on THIS POST. In this case, 1 = hopeless1 2 = Damdred etc etc all the way up to 13 = obiwanshinobi 0 = storrzerg (since a multiple of 14 modulo 14 is 0, not 14). + Show Spoiler [player list] + 1. Hopeless1der 2. Damdred 3. Palmer 4. Oatsmaster 5. Alakaslam 6. Grackaroni 7. liancourt 8. KelsierSC 9. batsnacks 10. Holyflare 11. BlazingHand 12. ObviousOne 13. ObiWanShinobi 0. StorrZerg there is no force on earth that can persuade me that RNG lynch is sub-optimal. bow before the RNG lynch. behold its glory and its horror and all of its majesty | ||
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23071592 mod 14 = 12 12th player is ObviousOne ##vote ObviousOne OO, your lynch has been determined by RNG. SUBMIT YOURSELF UNTO DEATH. | ||
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man why you guys gotta be sharing a letter | ||
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On October 07 2014 02:26 KelsierSC wrote: So I have never played with bh but i really don't like what he just did. firstly i thought we were looking along some interesting lines with hf and hell, then bh did this huge RNG nothingness that served nothing except to disrupt town. he then tries to justify his rng like hey this is actually a good idea because he is inactive? it introduces him to the thread in a splashy way but all it does.is disrupt town. Are you denying the underlying math of RNG? Look dude there's roughly speaking 13 players, right? If 3 are scum, then that gives us a solid 22% chance of lynching scum purely based on RNG. Now, this isn't a very good ratio, I understand. Often, town can beat it for D1 lynches. But unless you put together a better case, the fact of the matter is, I'm offering a straight-up 22% chance to lynch someone. On top of that, once I've RNGed someone, I tunnel them until they are lynched. This is pretty much historically accurate. OO has accepted his fate, which makes me think he is scum (town is usually super outraged when they get RNGed). I've updated the odds of OO flipping scum to be much higher as a result. That being said, I am willing to change vote if you guys can offer something better, but things like "someone was yelling in all caps" or whatever other baloney is going on doesn't even come close to matching up with RNG in terms of usefulness as a heuristic. | ||
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On October 07 2014 02:55 liancourt wrote: Also there is a possibility that people will keep posting until they get the number they want. So there is a wayto abuse it You're so incredibly uninformed, it hurts. I made one post, and that post provided the RNG #. How do you think it would look if I said "actually, ignore that post, we're going to use this one instead?" It would look awful, and I have obviously never done that and did not do that this game. If you really think that my RNG system is gameable, you simply don't understand it. Due to your lack of comprehension, you are hereby disqualified from any future discussion of RNG until you apologise for your ignorance. | ||
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On October 07 2014 03:21 KelsierSC wrote: I think if you said to ignore your RNG post that would be a really town move. Then you think wrongly. You're a smart guy, you just haven't had the education necessary to understand this. Look at things this way. OO delurked as soon as he got voted, right? And then he self-votes and posts some trolling image thing. Stop thinking about my RNG vote and look at OO's response. OO *knows* I'm 100% serious about RNG and don't back down from it, and I lynch people this way from time to time (people like to resist RNG but it still goes through occasionally). So Basically, OO is facing a couple serious votes on him. If you stop thinking about my RNG vote and look at OO's insta-delurk and weird response, suddenly you start to learn a lot more about OO, don't you. Dang! That sure was useful! It also turns out the thing you learned about OO is that he's pretty obviously scum. So vote him. | ||
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On October 07 2014 03:30 KelsierSC wrote: Didn't he say something like "now that is out the way" I think he just ignored / joked about it. I think it is good to put pressure on people but after your RNG post you haven't actually put any pressure on him . you just defended some random selection method. OK, just ignore the scumspect's response while criticizing me. I'll make note of your actions. | ||
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On October 07 2014 03:38 liancourt wrote: Oh so you declare the post beforehand. My mistake I just skimmed too much text. Even so. I dont approve because its random. And just flushes everything we discussed up until now down the drain. And theres discrepancies in that some people will do it and some people wont. Town will do it in the off chance they can get a scum. Mafia wont do it in the off chance they they get one of their own but the potential to lynch town randomly and being unreadable at the same time off sets that risk. I'm not sorry to flush the "amazing" discussion of whether it's appropriate to use caps lock down the drain. If Oats is scum or not, whatever, but even you have to admit RNG is a better way of doing things than "did he inappropriately use capslock" | ||
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On October 07 2014 03:44 liancourt wrote: So it was a trap basically. I do think you are town based on this post but if you are pushing others to do it I think it all goes to fluff. OK you clearly don't understand the purpose of RNG. I am lynching OO regardless of what he does, but I'm gonnas try to make arguments that are also convincing to you. Also, you didn't address whether or not you agree with that argument. Nice doj bro On October 07 2014 03:49 liancourt wrote: For one thing bats did was get us talking so kudos to him. It may seem meaningless to you since you think both oats and bats are town I do not have a townread on either oats or bats. Your reading comprehension has failed you once again. I remain hopeful things will improve nice b8 m8 i r8 8/8 | ||
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On October 07 2014 04:06 Grackaroni wrote: I trust in the wisdom of the random lynch because it did not choose me.  | ||
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On October 07 2014 04:36 Grackaroni wrote: BH you said you don't have an opinion on Oats post's. Do you have an opinion on HF's posts attacking Oat's posts? I do. I think HF's reasoning based on the VT claim shenannies are consistent with HF's reasoning as town. This reasoning is solid enough. The follow-up about "why are you in caps lock" isn't meaningful, but I think HF believes himself to be correct. Normally I'd find his attachment to that piece scummy but I really like the follow-up he posts right here: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=14#268 The attempt to leverage the current situation on OO by asking OO about Oats is a solid way to develop a read on both of them. This "continuance" piece is harder for scum to think of but fits well with a tunneled HF on Oats. Due to these reasons, I do not believe HF is a good lynch today. | ||
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OK, at this point you're being wilfully obtuse! OK, I'll explain.. First off, read that filter. It's the filter of OO. Also, I am referring to someone who is RNGed, and the only person who is RNGed is OO. Lastly, in literally the next post, I say "oops, I meant to write OO there, not Oats". It's blindingly obvious that I meant OO, not Oats. If you're going to attack me, at least pretend to understand my filter. Amazingly, your inability to decipher my writing reaffirms my townread on you. Scum wouldn't make such a silly mistake. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=11#204 | ||
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On October 07 2014 06:57 KelsierSC wrote: Oh is that what the s/oats thing means, that was rather unclear. ok that part can be ignored but the rest of my case against bh still stands. my phone corrected hopel to hela for some reason >"rest of my case" >implying there is a case >implying there was ever a case >doesn't understand sed mfw | ||
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On October 07 2014 07:02 KelsierSC wrote: I'm not trying to mid interpret what you said but you just seem to be confused with what you say sometimes OK, let me be one hundo percent clear: You should vote OO. OO is scum, and RNG demands it. This is what I am saying. OO is ObviousOne. This is not a place of honor. OO is scum. This is a message, part of a system of messages. The message is that OO is scum, and you should vote him. This message is a warning about OO. We must vote OO. I consider myself to be a powerful player. OO must be lynched. | ||
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On October 07 2014 07:03 Holyflare wrote: If BH was town and decided he was going to RNG like he does in every game as every alignment and was only available at that point in time should he have withheld his usual entry to continue posting nothing? Yeah, also basically this. I didn't particularly time my RNG. I just showed up in the thread, and decided to bring order to the madness with a clear lynch target, determined by RNG. If I had been in the thread earlier or later it would have come earlier or later. I did this because it was necessary. On October 07 2014 07:05 KelsierSC wrote: of course there is a case. you deliberately disrupted town when it was being productive to give us a random name. Since then you haven't actually bothered to push on the name and seen quite content now that town is in a different Random path If you believe this, vote me. But you know in your heart of hearts that it is false. There was nothing "productive" that I disrupted, and by arguing with me rather than doing whatever it is you think was actually "productive" you give away your game. You find my push on OO interesting and compelling, don't you. It's driving a productive conversation, isn't it? Yes, I've routed the conversation differently, but you yourself don't have a townread on OO, and you know as well as I do he's been acting scummy. So, what's the deal, KSC? Is this rerouting of attention really bad? And if I'm scum, isn't drawing attention to me actually _good_? No, you're not coherent. I haven't disrupted town, I've led it, and somehow, you dislike this. Why? | ||
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On October 07 2014 07:09 KelsierSC wrote: again you haven't given a reason apart.from random number said so before this we actually had discussion going to sleep now pick this up tomorrow You can't say "things I agree with are discussion, and things I disagree with aren't discussion". That's not a valid way to have co-operative discourse. | ||
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On October 07 2014 08:44 ObiWanShinobi wrote: So you think that BH's RNG lynch strategem can only be purely scum motivated? This is a fairly relevant question. I'd like to take this moment to note, liancourt, that I do this all the time as town because it is objectively a good strategy. I'm pretty sure I've done it as scum too (Though I can't think of the game where I did it now) but that's cause as scum I try to play to my town meta, not because this is something I do as scum. RNG is, in my personal opinion, very good. You may disagree, but unless you can demonstrate that I personally don't think RNG is good (a hard thing to demonstrate given that I always use it) I don't see how you can paint my choice to use this scumhunting tactic as scum-motivated. | ||
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On October 06 2014 12:53 ObviousOne wrote: first On October 06 2014 13:02 ObviousOne wrote: que pasa con sus consuelas hijoles fritas On October 06 2014 13:04 ObviousOne wrote: p.s. bedtime nitenite On October 07 2014 02:09 ObviousOne wrote: Oh shit we're doing an RNG vote? Fuck yes, where's the vote thread? On October 07 2014 02:15 ObviousOne wrote: Okay good, now that's out of the way. #1 oats is prob town he's too frustrated and sticking around despite it. By corollary I like HF and batsnacks based on that discussion. #2 don't know what to make of Grack, he was present and participating in a conversation but I don't really see anything alignment indicative after almost a full page of filter #3 interested in the reply from storr re: liancourt On October 07 2014 05:33 ObviousOne wrote: Lol holy shit self voting is literally against the rules I should have read at some point. Someone asked bout my oats read and it was cuz he stuck to defending his claim as a joke an participated in tomfoolery ironically aaaand that's literally everything this guy has posted. Surely everyone agrees with me here that someone like this can't possibly be allowed to live. Anyone complaining that people voting for an RNG target are opting out of the discourse, look at OO's filter and tell me with a straight face that he isn't also opting out of the discourse. In any case, let me know if you guys have any questions or anything you want me to focus on as I catch up. | ||
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On October 08 2014 01:36 Damdred wrote: BH could you look at storrs case/lian and hf and tell me what you think? Sure! I like some of storr's case on lian. I agree that lian hasn't taken strong enough positions, and seems to have attempted to do weird things on the OO wagon. That being said, the fact that he and KSC are dubious of RNG does not imo make them scummy. I think Storr's case would make for something interesting to follow up on after the OO lynch. I don't want to draw associative tells between unflipped players, but basically I don't find doubting RNG to be inherently unreasonable. Trying to throw lots of doubt on it, then saying that "rng is a method for scum to be using", seems to be something a new player could reasonably believe. If OO flips mafia scum, I'll be much more suspicious of lian. I think storr raises a good point that lian doesn't have aggressive reads. An important post to focus on is this one: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=28#544 On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote: At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also. Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null. And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting. We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread. The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this. Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles. Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats. I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing. Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this. Basically, KSC asks Lian, "what are you scumreads", which is a reasonable question (KSC gets some points for this). Lian's reply is a rambling list post that doesn't have a cohesive read to unify it, or a case. Storrzerg accurate points out that the post doesn't specify a top scumread very well. Storrzerg says it already, so I won't bother repeating: Storrzerg The question is, who does he think are scummy? 1. bh. Null 2. grack Null 3. obi hf 2 town fighting 4. oats town 5. hopeless is iffy, hasn't been paying attention to him. 6. Back to OO being strange 7. bats town So "damd palmar storr" as mafia? (yes he puts it in a question mark. Is he unsure he walked through everyone? is he sure he picked the right people to call mafia? 2 people fairly inactive. ) His scum read on damd is "not giving away to much" since he only asks questions and scum read on palmar + storr "haven't done anything worth mentioning" And of course ends with "but ill wait until tomorrow until they opst to be sure" he is leaving himself an out, an escape to make sure people don't read to much into what he is saying. The main point is that it was an awful list post. Yeah, this is good stuff. I like the storrzerg case. It's reasonable and liancourt doesn't look good. If I weren't so sure on this OO thing I'd consider voting liancourt. As it stands, I think we can deal with liancourt tomorrow. I'm gonna not focus on KSC for a moment except to say: On October 08 2014 01:40 KelsierSC wrote: @bh i don't think anyone is seriously considering oo for the lynch because of the rng but because of his lurkiness and bad posts. When OO flips scum you can apologize to me for ever doubting RNG. I realize things got a bit rambly there so I'll summarize real quick 1. I still think OO is the best lynch, as I've outlined. 1.5. I think it's pretty clear OO is doing some kind of lurk / low energy thing this game. We can anticipate him coming back sometime near the end of the day and claiming he was busy or something. 2. Storrzerg's case on liancourt points out liancourt's very scummy response to "what are your scumreads", making me interested in lynching liancourt tomorrow | ||
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tbh RNG doesn't land on scum most of the time, but sometimes, it actually does! | ||
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On October 08 2014 03:21 Palmar wrote: I kinda wanna lynch BH for that post. But you won't, because I'm too right and too useful :D | ||
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On October 08 2014 04:48 liancourt wrote: Well I agree with BH's post and like I said before his posts generally smell of townliness despite his RNG. If he doesn't use the RNG then I'll be content. Not sure if you're aware, but we're lynching my RNG target today so nya nya nya. On top of that, I literally wrote a case against OO entirely because I RNGed him and there's nothing you can do to stop me from saying that. Granted, OO happens to also be scum, but the REASON I'm voting him is because of my slavish devotion to D1 RNG. Bear in mind, I never use RNG after D1. So you don't have to worry about that. But this is RNG. Once again, I have pushed an RNG lynch. I am god. | ||
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On October 08 2014 05:04 liancourt wrote: So basically, if I put one name down as scummy and gave a valid reason for it I wouldn't be scummy for it? You and storr have very similar play tactics. Pressure one person. Yea it's good and all, but don't try to influence others into playing the way you two play. And then calling them scummy if they don't play to it. I.. what? I'm sayin you made a waffley list post. If you don't take stances, it's easy to wiggle out of things as scum, and hard to coordinate as town. Flipsy-flopsy list posts are generally considered scummy On October 08 2014 05:12 liancourt wrote: It seems like a pattern here you have to put stamps on everything. Town stamp Null stamp Scum stamp People don't seem to be satisfied if I don't use one of these stamps. I'm giving my honest opinion in most of the discussions whether or not I strongly feel about them. The only discussion I felt strongly about was the one with BH and I was pushing him for scum hard, you guys don't think this is relevant because you got this prejudice/stereotype of BH's RNG as not "alignment indicative" and just flatly ignore the whole discussion as null. Yea if you just ignore that whole segment I'm so unsure of everything and I can't pressure anyone. if by "stamp" you mean "playing the game by telling us what you think of people's alignments" then yes, I am not satisfied unless you use a "stamp". please "stamp". | ||
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On October 08 2014 05:24 KelsierSC wrote: So just read your filter when you were discussing BH and I don't really see you pushing hard scum on him. You disliked the RNG, but then you said he was town because of a different post. then you said he felt towny but the RNG was mafia indicative. This isn't a hard push imo You also made a post saying "from D1 I got....." but BH wasn't mentioned on that list. I think one of the main issues isn't that you don't stamp everything but you haven't stamped a single thing. Even now I am not sure who you think is town or mafia. KSC knockin it out of the park. woot woot | ||
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On October 08 2014 05:58 Palmar wrote: Like the one thing that makes me not want to lynch BH is that the scumslip thing was so monumentally stupid (it's 200% reasonable to assume 3 scum in a game of this size) that I just don't want to lynch him to spite the idiots who thought it was relevant. Even if BH is mafia, that was not a scumslip. I love you for this, Palmar. I promise to not be scum this game just because this reasoning is so glorious. It just makes me so happy that you're in this game. Therefore, I grant you one Limited Wish to use as you want this game, any time between now and game end. I grant you this Wish entirely on principle, because the principle of the matter is strong with you. | ||
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On October 08 2014 06:09 Palmar wrote: BH didn't say that though (and I wasn't aware that OO self voted). I read this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23075621 and was under the impression BH mostly wanted to lynch OO for basically being uninterested. Oh, sorry, let me be clear. I'm lynching OO basically on policy here. I RNGed him so I'm lynching him. After trying to convince people to lynch him just for RNG reasons, I realized this wasn't very convincing so I started talking about how he's inactive, and people jumped on the wagon. I think I've explicitly stated I've written my case against OO entirely just because he got RNGed. It also happens to be a good case, btw-- my motivations don't change the facts-- but RNG guides me on this one. I take responsibiility for my decision to lynch OO based on RNG because no other case has been suffeciently convincing | ||
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On October 08 2014 07:56 Grackaroni wrote: I disagree. It's one thing to be open to lynching him and its another thing to just completely ignore the obi suspicion when HF/I were pushing hard on obi. I feel pretty strongly that if OO is scum and Obi is town then there would be some people agreeing with Obi being scum so they have another option to switch to if OO ends up not being the lynch. OK, let's say I grant you that scum would consider other lynches if OO was scum. Let's say that's true, for the sake of this argument. Consider the alternative situation. Let's say OO is town, right? You're scum and you see this apathetic, useless townie going up for the lynch. Do you just hop on the wagon mindlessly (remember, this is a somewhat contested wagon, people are saying things like "people are voting this wagon so they don't have to discuss") or do you try to bring up an alternative lynch candidate? As scum, you want to appear to be that paranoid townie who didn't trust the D1 wagon, if OO was town. It would be like "OO the townie has been lynched!" and then the scum player would be like "ugh, come on guys, look at this long post I wrote (on another townie), that despite my pushing was ignored! Come on, guys! get with the program!" and he'd collect town cred. So, I think we can agree scum would consider other lynches if OO was town, too, right? In fact, I think no matter what OO's alignment is, it makes sense for scum to push other lynches because his lynch, though contested, is inevitable and there's little to be gained by pushing it. Now, does it make sense to raise a huge rabble and draw a ton of attention to yourself as scum in this situation? I think regardless of OO's alignment, the answer is "no". Whatever OO will flip, you want to do a decent effort on pushing another wagon (or at least one person on the team should), but in a quiet D1 like this rocking the boat will only draw attention. In any case, I guess the point I'm getting at here is it's reasonable to say that scum will push OR not push another wagon, either way, at some moderate amount, regardless of OO's alignment. Your statement, which is that scum would push another wagon if OO was scum, is also true for if OO is town, and so isn't useful in determining OO's alignment. God, I hate associative tells between unflipped people | ||
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On October 08 2014 08:10 Palmar wrote: So basically what you're saying BH is "it don't even matter bro". I guess my point is kinda useless now that there's an actual counterwagon, but the point I was trying to make is "absence of a counterwagon could happen on both a scum or a town lynch" | ||
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On October 08 2014 08:20 liancourt wrote: I can relate to where he's coming from. I can imagine a scenario for this to happen whichever alignment OO is. So would that mean people pushing for obi lynch is scummy? I'll reread that obi/hf/grack interaction. oh no not at all, no associative tells between unflipped players. if you want to do something like this, wait for an OO or Obi (if the wagon gets enough steam) flip first, then we'll have more info. Don't forget there are perfectly legitimate reasons for townies to be blind to the glory of RNG and turn their backs on its salvation | ||
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On October 08 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Who's down for a second CFD onto Palmar? The first one was hilarious. The second will be doubly so. So I guess you're scum with OO then | ||
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Seriously though you've said nothing about Palmar all game. I'll wait until after the OO flip of course but come on buddy | ||
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1. it's an associative tell between unflipped players 2. I just really want OO dead | ||
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On October 08 2014 10:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Nha. Palmar looks okay atm and I think he's kinda town. I just think it'd be funny if he woke up lynched again. In all seriousness, I don't particularly care for this OO lynch but I doubt I have any say in the matter. I don't really see any targets of mine that people will lynch any time soon. I just really don't like plynches for this reason. Even if they somehow hit scum (they never do) I always get a little frustrated because I feel like nothing gets accomplished by doing so. DAT BACKPEDAL | ||
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On October 08 2014 12:50 Holyflare wrote: but if things work out the way you think they will then you'll want to lynch lian tomorrow didn't you say...? not after ows' attempted shennannies onto Palmar that made no sense unless he was saving a scum OO... but i'll get more into that after the OO flip. in any case, right now: eyes on the prize. stay on OO | ||
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On October 08 2014 12:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: The bottom line is that OO is a policy lynch, plain and simple. Me not contributing towards a policy lynch doesn't make me mafia. Literally the dumbest. not even remotely related to why you're scum | ||
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I SEE NO REASON TO NOT ALWAYS RNG D1 YOU CAN ALL THANK ME NOW FOR THE WONDER OF RNG | ||
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On October 08 2014 13:06 ObiWanShinobi wrote: ...No? I'm just annoyed that someone rolls scum and basically just stops playing. It makes me feel dumb. yeah it must be tough when your teammate bails like that right ows | ||
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On October 08 2014 17:13 KelsierSC wrote: BH what happens if RNG lands on you? It never does. It came close, this time, but as long as my faith in RNGesus is strong he will never betray me. | ||
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On October 08 2014 17:17 Palmar wrote: HF and Obi are the remaining mafia. We lynch Obi tomorrow imo | ||
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On October 08 2014 10:27 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Who's down for a second CFD onto Palmar? The first one was hilarious. The second will be doubly so. Bear in mind, this would allow OO to live while Palmar dies, it would have saved OO. When he gets called out on it, he says this: On October 08 2014 10:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Nha. Palmar looks okay atm and I think he's kinda town. I just think it'd be funny if he woke up lynched again. In all seriousness, I don't particularly care for this OO lynch but I doubt I have any say in the matter. I don't really see any targets of mine that people will lynch any time soon. I just really don't like plynches for this reason. Even if they somehow hit scum (they never do) I always get a little frustrated because I feel like nothing gets accomplished by doing so. So he now claims to be joking, in the biggest backpedal in the history of backpedaling. Then he starts complaining about the lynch, saying he doesn't care for it. If I were a scumslip-using man, I'd say his last bit talking about how plynches that hit scum are bad is a scumslip, but I'm not, so it doesn't factor in for me. There are a couple things he says that sound like the kind of musing a scum player would have for another scum player being lynched (link). He never really takes a strong stance on OO either, despite OO being the main lynch target and leading the votes for literally all of D1. The main thing, though, is the attempted "joking" shennaningan / chinese fire drill onto Palmar. Honestly, the magic of Shenannies, is that right when someone is about to get lynched, that's when votes matter, and that's when you see peopel's true nature. If someone has a gun, shooting OWS is an amazing move. IF not, we lynch him tomorrow. | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:09 batsnacks wrote: That would be really funny though It would be. I always wonder what will happen if i use RNG as scum and RNG a scumbuddy, or if I use it as town and get myself. I guess I better have plans for that, especially the last one. hmmmmm | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:14 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Well I just called you scum, which makes me town. Ergo your analysis explodes into nothingness and I can go back to doing nothing. See you. This only applies if I'm not already attacking you, buddy. In any case, there's no way you can possibly avoid getting lynched tomorrow (outside of getting shot first) because my scumhunting skills are too good. EZ game EZ lyfe | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:25 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Then I can just poke holes in your case and call it stupid as well, especially since I've addressed your case about a thousand times over before you even posted it. So if you want to continue to be nitpicky n' shit, go ahead. yeah, "nitpicky" about the fact you tried to derail the lynch at the last moment you're a funny guy OWS | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:34 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Except I didn't actually do this and I explained myself about a gajillion times. You are nitpicking. You can equivocate all you want, but when push came to shove, when the going got tough, you tried to derail the lynch. It's fact. You're dying tomorrow. If you're somehow town (hint: you're not, so you won't do this) you'll spend the last 60 hours you have alive making reads and leaving us with something useful. Since you're scum, you're just going to whine and complain until we lynch you. | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Alternatively alternatively, BH's analysis was actually really bad and he's mostly just rehashing stuff other people have said. Why do people have him as town? Oh, you're making me blush, OWS! So cute~ | ||
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On October 09 2014 02:56 Grackaroni wrote: You know BH doesn't choose who gets RNGed. That's kind of the whole point of RNG. Aww why can't I get credit for RNGing a scummer! ;____; | ||
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On October 09 2014 03:12 Damdred wrote: Couldn't BH manipulate it before he posted it though so that it did not come up a scum buddy? Though in tin hat land this woudl be amazing for him to get town cred for life It is really not at ALL possible to manipulate the RNG. Trust me when I say it's truly random. Here's how the RNG works. 1. Each post made across all of TL is given a unique ID #. Since there are like 20+ posts per second being made on TL, this means that it's basically impossible to guess with more accuracy than "within 20" what the ID # will be. 2. Through the use of the Modulo Operation, I can convert that ~20 post uncertainty into a random number generator that can get as big as 1-20 and still be reliable in terms of still being random. 3. Since I don't know the post ID # until AFTER I've posted it, there's no way for me to "select" a post ID number. I say in the post "this post is the post whose ID # I'm going to use" and I make the post, and there's the ID number after I've made the post. There's no way to backtrack this. I've thought about ways to game it, and basically it's not possible to game. There's one circusmtance where it is possible to control the RNG, in large games. + Show Spoiler + I wouldn't use this method in a game with more than 20 people since it becomes less random (since one could predict, for example, which half the RNG was likely to land it, etc as the size of the modulo approaches the posts-per-second count. A particularly skilled and fast player with reflexes under a second, in a game with more than 20 players (or if there's a weird lull in TL posting for some reason) could game the RNG system so that he could narrow down which half of the player list the RNG would fall into, or even more, by making another post in another thread somewhere on TL, quickly reading the post ID, then making the RNG post in the Mafia thread in under a second. This is still noticeable to anyone who looks at the guy's TL post history, but it might not be noticed. In any case, not doable in a game this small. | ||
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On October 09 2014 04:15 batsnacks wrote: Actually it is possible to game BH's system without a time machine. It's the same as using bots to post "combos" on high traffic websites like 4chan. This would be in violation of TL Forum rules, but yes, if you're willing to go that far, it could be done. | ||
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On October 09 2014 04:23 Grackaroni wrote: hmmm I think I've already learned that there are no limits to the lengths BH will go to win at mafia. I wouldn't break the rules of the game nor would I break forum rules. Everything else is fair game. | ||
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On October 09 2014 11:46 Holyflare wrote: actually fuck it, the rber died, I AM actually the vigilante and all my reads have been hidden i know you may hate me but I'm ACTUALLY shooting BH, I will very likely die tonight so tomorrow hopefully the cop checks like lian or hopeless (probably hopeless best) lynch this guy tomorrow. never mind about OWS. this is my dying wish, there's no possible explanation for that shot to make sense. at all. | ||
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yeah actually HF town then. if he shoots me. goddamnit HF | ||
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On October 09 2014 11:55 Grackaroni wrote: HF seeing as you're probably going to get shot, you want to leave some final reads? There's 0% chance scum is shooting HF, why would they shoot someone who is already doing so much good work for them? If he used his first shot on me god knows he'll probably do something equally bad with the second one. aLSO DONT FORGET HE COULD BE 3P. ACTUALLY YEAH. HF COULD BE 3P. but there's no SK. so. ugh. | ||
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On October 09 2014 12:44 Damdred wrote: Why shoot bh over hopeless or loan though? because HF is awful. that's all there is to it. | ||
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On October 09 2014 12:54 Holyflare wrote: i've put mafia in an awkward position, they can't kill me because the medic will save me and then i get my other shot off 100% tomorrow night because i can't die to 1kp tonight (this is pretty op btw geript) so they have to shoot someone peripheral to blue snipe only OP if vigi shoots at scum, HF. | ||
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On October 09 2014 12:54 Holyflare wrote: no i didn't ever put my read on you in the thread because i knew nobody would believe me and i can just shoot you anyway HF, the reason nobody would believe a scumread on me is because a scumread on me is incorrect. amazingly, geript balanced this game properly if there's a medic and a 2-shot vigi, since I rolled town. Yes, you HAVE to give an awful player like HF two bullets and a medic to protect him so he can shoot townies, to make up for my RNG skills and now I will be killed by this awful blue forgive them, father, for they know not what they do | ||
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On October 09 2014 12:55 Holyflare wrote: if you're town it's just the same because then they still shoot someone peripheral or waste a kp stacking with me to frame me which will most definitely fail HF, here's what's gonna happen, best case scenario, given that you're the vigi: you shoot 2 VTs instead of 2 Blues. That's the best case scenario for you as a vigi. That's the best you can possibly do. You, when aiming for scum, will aim worse than I do when I LITERALLY use RNG. Think on that. | ||
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On October 09 2014 12:56 Holyflare wrote: there's nothing you can do but get your reads out in the thread if you're town, but you aren't going to do that are you  You're town (assuming I die... read the setup carefully guys, make sure he's really town. Don't have time to think thorugh it all). OWS still scum for that thing trying to save OO. And anyone who was really iffy on the OO lynch after it got steam for unclear reasons, also look at. I kidna townread liancourt because of all the shitting at me he did (scum would keep a low profile)? but this one is weak. If Palmar's alive D3, don't trust him. | ||
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On October 09 2014 12:57 Holyflare wrote: i dont really care bh it's not going to change my shot flaming me is it? No, HF, you'll never understand me. I'm a guy who does things on policy whether I roll scum cop or mad hatter I act on the principle of the matter the only one here who groks this is palmar this is why I am not any calmer | ||
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On October 09 2014 12:58 Holyflare wrote: i take solace in the fact that you wasted your last few hours arguing with me instead of putting the town in a better place SCUMSLIP | ||
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On October 09 2014 13:04 ObiWanShinobi wrote: So if we're done with the policy stuff, we can lynch hopeless and/or lian now. shushh. we both know I'm actually lynching you today, so just... be silent for a bit. | ||
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On October 09 2014 13:15 Holyflare wrote: if you think i didn't just soak up a mafia night kill then you are retarded It's the principle of the matter | ||
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On October 09 2014 19:19 Palmar wrote: Whoever claimed he shot Oats is probably telling the truth. This is correct. There's a small chance that scum shot Oats, but I can't imagine why they would. Oats wasn't an amazing vigi shot but he was a solid one, and he would have been a truly awful mafia nk. Oats regularly gets falsly scumreaded, so you always leave him alive when you're scum. On October 09 2014 19:54 liancourt wrote: then what i don't understand is why he'd claim because he'll die by mafia hands on n2. the medic? what if mafia shot a vet? doesn't matter, by n2 he gets his second shot off, no problem. | ||
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On October 09 2014 23:22 StorrZerg wrote: what do you guys think of liancourt's reaction when dealing with HF, claiming vig/cop. solid. liancourt is stubborn and aggressively pushing his beliefs. Could be scum but would be a pretty ballsy play. obstinant yet engaging wtih thread makes me think more likely town. would not lynch today. On October 10 2014 01:04 Hopeless1der wrote: and my vote on lynched scum for no other reason than shits and giggles. totes scumplayz Not a super legit defense imo. OO probably had a scum vote on him, just because his wagon was the kind of one you could jump off and on pretty easily (as a policy wagon) or try to shenannigan out of (as OWS tried). On October 10 2014 01:27 Damdred wrote: Obi, I wish that you would of played d1 like this, its magical seeing you play when you are motivated. I consider this another reason to lynch OWS. No reason to be demotivated D1, imo, unless of course your lurking scum-team-mate got RNGed and is getting policied. | ||
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On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote: My scum read for today is Lian and I think that he should be the lynch today. Normally there are a few things that I look for when looking for mafia. Being defensive for no reason, giving free town passes for no reason, discrediting or trying to so that people might not believe them later or to set them up for a mislynch. I really believe that Lian fits most of the criteria. To start We see lian give Oats a townread for no reason at all in this post, in fact people who know Oats and have played with Oats are giving it serious thought that his over reaction is due to being scum read for something that he should not of been, over reacting is normally not in Oats but he did it here and very forcefully. Nothing he posted until he came back later was towny in the least, his town pass for Oats feels almost like TMI. At the same time, he discredits or throws doubt on the people that are pressuring or starting to scum read Oats. Oats was town, and so the townread seems suspicious, but scum would be better served putting minor pressure and preserving Oats as a mislynch target. What possible gain could there be had from defending or buddying Oats? If your argument is just "scum semislip" and not "there's a scum motivation for this" this is invalid. On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote: he points the discrediting at Bats specifically here throwing doubt on Bats, when bats did something that was really towny for him. He makes a few posts that I won't quote for length that somehow try to throw dirt on bats for not having a towny mindset but I think most of bats posts up to this point have been pretty towny. Doesn't look like discrediting, just like he's trying to figure out what's going on here. On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote: Lian really fights against the rng lynch, which looks really bad in hindsite of course, and a lot of his filter early is fighting against or throwing dirt/scumreading BH for his choice of the RNG lynch explaining that it is mafia favored.... Funny since we caught mafia (All hail rng lynch). He did not even consider that the person that it targeted just peaced out and the reaction that he had to it, it's almost like Lian tried to get the pressure off OO even before it started and tried to discredit the method. Imo liancourt's aggressive over-the-top attacks on me and RNG, even as people said "BH does this all the time", is a point in his favor. AGain, you gotta think this through from a "would scum do this" approach. Imagine liancourt is scum, and he sees his buddy has gotten RNGed. He would fight against RNG, sure, but would he make himself a lead enemy of it? Would he lay down his life to defend his scumbuddy who is lurking and putting in zero effort? I don't think so. He would DEFINITELY try to save OO, but why all the personal attacks on me? Why the constant aggression against RNG? Sure, he didn't guage OO's reaction accurately, but imo if he were scum, he'd make an attempt or two to save OO, but not do what he did. I think his constant bickering with me (as opposed to trying to talk to other people and really suggest alternatives in a good way) show that somehow, RNG as a concept really gets his goat. Not a scumtell. On October 10 2014 01:43 Damdred wrote: His scum list also, or rather his null list with random people. Everything he writes he can come off of fast. Later on he says that he is using elimination method to get to his scum reads. But hes not really there are plenty of people playing on the fringe that should be grouped in the scum group. And all of his reads are easy to come off of there are no real conclusions and even though he mentions OO as scummy he refuses to push him or any of his lynch. Instead he just puts them there almost as if hes soft pushing them and then leaves it alone even though he receives a bit of pressure from storr from it. Even though some of the people on his list have been doing things, his reads do not show much progression and he has not given much additional thought into them. He also discredits grack, and tries to throw dirt on the vig claim. Which makes little sense doing so. Overall I think hes the most scummy person in the thread, all of his reads are pretty thin and easy to come off of in pressure. His top scum reads were basically and are lurkers besides Storr who is actually doing stuff. Palmar is somewhat doing things he looks like his normal self and me. A lot of what he does is to discredit people and he does not pressure people, and looks like some of his stuff comes from TMI. Overall i'd say lynch him with fire (sorry for the rushed post running out of time) The readlist is pretty bad, yeah. still not a good lynch for today compared to OWS | ||
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On October 10 2014 01:46 KelsierSC wrote: hmm your case about lian has been made by store already it seems to me. why is obi town? I'd like to know why obi is town also On October 10 2014 01:52 batsnacks wrote: So? HF gets into fights like that every game and obi was pretty scummy, plus last game obi played perfect scum and fooled everyone and his posting d1 this game was similar. That's not very "wtf" to me. yeah honestly HF can be kinda a wanker. he can grind my gears, even when he's town. On October 10 2014 02:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote: There's merit to it. A good case doesn't necessarily mean that the accused is mafia. It could just mean that the guy posting it is paying attention and trying to piece things together. waffle more. this is technically true though. On October 10 2014 04:11 ObiWanShinobi wrote: There are several issues with that townread but I cba to argue with it at all. Lynch Hopeless. OWS setting himself up to be difficult to read after h1 lynch On October 10 2014 04:25 Damdred wrote: Yells for bats to get the policy lynch to stop, reads like (correct me if i'm wrong) that you disagree with lurker lynch really. But jump on it anyway. Feels like a bus. I could probably see Hopeless being scum, filter is a lot of fluff, some contradictions not a lot of reads really, or flushed out reads. I'd probably put him as scum. I don't view grudging acceptance of policy as policy as a scummy thing to say, though maybe I could be wrong-- why woudl this come from scum and not town?' On October 10 2014 04:47 KelsierSC wrote: He also criticises hope for having not a strong reason for a town read Then his reason for now town reading HF (who was his top scum) Man KSC I think you made some legit points here. OWS very attached to h1 as scum as a means to survive, rather than something he concluded? | ||
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On October 10 2014 04:51 batsnacks wrote: Yeah obi is town I don't know what you're doing keyser soze need a better defense than this if you want to save obi, bs. On October 10 2014 04:52 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Tbh I could actually explain my townread on HF, but I've been overcome by the forces of lazy and my filter is already huge so stop bothering me. how are we not lynching this guy? who cares how big their filter is, unless they care to appear active rather than try to hunt scum?? On October 10 2014 05:01 KelsierSC wrote: can you get to the part where you defend yourself please. KSC town this On October 10 2014 05:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Easy; your reads are consistent with the thread and you're putting more effort into pressuring people/gathering information instead of dropping poorly thought out meta reads a la almost every scum game you've played ever. The way you're interacting with the thread reflects a desire to understand rather than a desire to look for easy lynch targets. consistent with the thread? sounds more like scum blending in than town trying to learn. also, no specifics, not a real read. you can't form a real read of course because you are scum. On October 10 2014 05:20 ObiWanShinobi wrote: No you didn't. You attacked me for a bunch of stupid shit that even scum called you out on. so then your read is based just on D2 stuff? laughable. ' On October 10 2014 05:29 ObiWanShinobi wrote: He isn't my top mafia read. This read changed some time ago. This is why I am voting Hopeless, my new top mafia read. Do you want me to hold your hand? backpedalling, hard, again. scum. On October 10 2014 05:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Rofl, this is so dumb. You can just continue to tunnel me until Hopeless flips scum. Then you can stop bothering me. I have nothing more to say to you since nothing I say will ever convince you otherwise. ah, and the opt out of the discourse. classic. ##unvote ##vote OWS | ||
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On October 10 2014 06:06 Holyflare wrote: Do you think a mafia obi would be this annoying instead of just trying to appease you and push a mislynch on hopeless? the question is whether obi's crap reads and opting out of the discourse is more likely as town or scum. I say it's more likely as scum. Obsitnance without willingness to explain yourself and lay a smackdown and find the truth, or even shed light on your own throught process, is scum strat On October 10 2014 06:46 Palmar wrote: HF can you please stop the bs and tell us yes or no on if you're actually claiming cop? he's not. if he were, he wouldn't trash people's expectations of his claims so much. he doesn't have a redcheck on h1 or he'd just say it and stick to the story. On October 10 2014 07:08 Palmar wrote: Nothing to do with fear. If you somehow are town and actually genuinely think I could be mafia, just go for it. But it just seems so strange. I have done literally nothing this game ftfy but we should let palmar live a little longer imo | ||
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yup, so we go for OWS today. On October 10 2014 08:06 liancourt wrote: Got the jist of it, I really hated the RNG. Yeah, also, if you were scum, you'd probably try to buddy me today instead of still seeming paranoid about me. Your paranoia is a good sign. Doesn't make you for sure town, but you're an awful lynch today. As a note, dont' expect another hard defense of you from me. This is your freebie that you get for standing up to me even when everyone said you were wrong. | ||
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On October 10 2014 08:20 liancourt wrote: you know what I'll just vote you until you give a read on someone else, but me and actually help town instead of tunneling me. ##Vote StorrZerg oi what's wrong with voting ows | ||
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arg, but ows has done nothing even remotely useful or town-oriented! all he has done is try to save OO (laughably) and backtrack it, then follow his scumread (who he now claims is a townread) to push h1 how in the name of THE LORD do you have a tonwread on ows???? | ||
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On October 10 2014 08:27 StorrZerg wrote: i liked the fight he had with hf man and i see a lot of his complaints are similar to what i have had. day 1, was a very crappy lynch. i mean woot we got an afk mafia. but it was so stale. i dont think what he did near the end of the day was that scummy, i think people pushing off the lynch early is when mafia would be stepping in. hopeless in particular strikes this. You're correct-- I do think a valid mafia strat would be "oppose the lynch at first when it starts to look dangerous, then go along with the wagon if it seems inevitable", and the players who did this should be heavily scrutinized. However, I can't see any motivation for OWS' attempted shenannies. He says it was a joke or whatever, but the timing and the choice and the backpedal (when just reading the shenanny thing it doesn't seem that joking) don't seem particularly joking to me. I want you to bear in mind that a successful shenanningan LOOKS like a joke, because it *IS* a joke. I am the shenannigan king, I know how they work. It's a deconstruction of allt he long wagon-building into one final moment where every statement, every vote counts, and glorious things can happen, and nothing about it seems somber. The mood reflecrts a joking mood, so you can't say "he sounded like he was joking" and make it like it WASN'T a real shennanigan attempt. The fact of the matter is, OWS made a serious attempt to do a last-minute derail of the lynch. When push came to shove, he tried to save OO, who had no posts except a couple scummy posts and bad scumminess, and who flipped scum. When it comes down to the line, that's when you find out who you are. And that's who OWS is when the veil is pulled back: he is scum. | ||
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On October 10 2014 08:32 liancourt wrote: i posted it on an earlier post look through my filter having difficulty finding it. HEre you seem to be scumreading him: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=66#1316 is it this? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/468053-fantasy-football-ffl-mini?page=82#1640 i can't find any times you mention him after scumreading him in that post, please help me. | ||
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On October 10 2014 08:36 StorrZerg wrote: and here i am saying i didn't think it was a serious attempt so..... why not hopeless? because it WAS a serious attempt. I legit haven't read hopeless1's filter, it's possible he's scum too-- I was voting him previously because hf had a red check on him. I'll dive hopeless and see what people think about him and get back to you, but right now the main reason why not hopless is that OWS is absolutely 100% scum | ||
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So basically you thought OWS was scum because On October 09 2014 14:20 liancourt wrote: You say this at the start of the day, it's like you want everyone to brush OO off as a serious lynch in a I don't really care way and then you say moments later this It seemed to me like you wanted to move away from the whole OO business so you wanted to start a new topic. This is all in hindsight after knowing OO's alignment and thought it odd in my eyes after rereading the early game. of the reasons here. Basically, you think OWS's relationship to the OO lynch, the flipped scum, makes him town. He was trying to brush off the lynch and move the discussion away from OO. However, simply because OWS' response to an attack on you is this: On October 10 2014 02:18 ObiWanShinobi wrote: There's merit to it. A good case doesn't necessarily mean that the accused is mafia. It could just mean that the guy posting it is paying attention and trying to piece things together. which although accurate, is hilariously noncommimttal, you reverse your read and now no longer want to lynch OWS. You think scum OWS would have attacked you (over h1, who is certainly getting lynched regardless), you who is loud and stubborn. Since he didn't, and just called the casewriter town, you think he's town. is that an accurate representation of your views? | ||
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On October 10 2014 09:03 liancourt wrote: you think hope is a definite lynch today? News to me. And yea that's pretty much my thought process. it made obi scummish because he tried to act like he didn't care about the OO lynch and wanted to move on, but his d2 changed my mind when he could have just followed through and gutted me. I don't buy this thought process. I'm going to do some sitting and thinking and rerearding. still thingk OWS best lynch D2. let me know if you guys have queries | ||
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On October 10 2014 15:46 Holyflare wrote: Anyone not on hopeless is claiming mafia and will be shot hah | ||
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On October 10 2014 21:30 Damdred wrote: In HF I trust, and I realize I can't get lia lynched today unto the other person I think is scum then. Kel, I never said I was tunneling him. Infact i'm pretty sure besides that one post and calling him out for not doing anything i've not tunneled on him really. Also I have done things this game, my case is close to storrs but I still feel it scum reads him for slightly different reasons, the list post reason is the same but meh. And I wanted to make a case and try to get my top scum read lynched. hey damdred, i'm not sure what your read is on obiwan. you don't like his attempt to save his scumbuddy (link) but don't call him scum for it. You interact with OWS a bit here (link) and that's it. Have you read OWS' filter? Do you still not like his attempt to save OO? What do you think of his followup today? | ||
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On October 08 2014 09:46 batsnacks wrote: Obiwan's posting is not similar to last game where he was scum. If I unvote him that will probably be why. Could you expand on this a bit? You were once an OWS voter but now you've moved off, and I'd like to know a bit more about what about OWS' posting makes you think he's not scum | ||
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On October 11 2014 01:57 Damdred wrote: I have read OWS filter and been watching him closely. I did not like the trying to get people off of OO, however i've been thinking really hard whether this would be scum motivated or town motivated. And i'm just not sure that scum would try to pull off people on their partner that would get lynched anyway and bring the heat down on themselves. I do not think that their was any chance that OO would not be lynched. I personally like shenanigans, but I wouldn't of been for it to switch to Palmar thats for sure especially on someone who was refusing to play. For the record I still do not like that he tried to pull people off even as a joke and the retreat from that is still scummy. OWS followup today has been generally towny, he has put in a good bit of effort defending himself and pushing a hopeless lynch. His day 2 is 100% better than d1 or N1, however I do still have a few problems with him but i've got a tentative town read still on him but wouldn't complain about a bullet to him. So you'd be fine if a vigi shot him but don't want to lynch him? ;_; I get what you're saying about the shenannigans being a long shot. It certainly didn't seem particularly likely to succeed, and that's a point in OWS' favor. He also did take some crap for them, but he didn't take that much crap because it SEEMED so trolling. In my opinion OWS picked a semilurker and tried to see if people were interested, and left himself a verbal path of retreat by making it ridiculous and then backpedaling. Like, it was super non-obvious that it was a joke, and i'm pretty sure after suggesting it and hearing a reaction or two, he realized it wasn't happening and focused on saving his own skin. he didn't stick his neck out THAT far to save OO. He didn't argue long, he quickly said it was a joke. Heck, even with me shitting all over OWS constantly, I can barely russle up a vote or two against him; it was a calculated risk, which is pretty much what you'd expect from scum trying to save OO at that point. Obviously, scum wouldn't take a big risk or fakeclaim to save him or something, but the small risk, that's okay. I will agree that during D2 OWS has significantly stepped up his game. This makes me slightly less sure he's scum. That being said, I don't think the way his reads developed was natural, it doesn't seem to me like "town read on hf, scumread on h1" was what would have come from what he had said earlier. Also interestingly, it seems like his reasons for voting h1 evolved from "I'm voting him due to the red check" to "I'm also voting him because he's scummy" when the red check thing stopped existing. It seems more like he just wants to be on the big wagon than he actually has an underlying scumread or thought process driving his actions. does that make sense to you? | ||
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On October 11 2014 02:03 StorrZerg wrote: DOES THIS NOT BOTHER ANYONE? hope was clearly joking, and look how serious lian takes it, way to serious........ this trumps his reason to read and look into the filter. and has now "dug his own grave" because of rng joke vote clearly mimicking bh.... hell i bet the math is wrong too I'm assuming he's lying about the math since his vote ended up on the wagon you'd expect him to vote to save himself, and he's trolling. I'll check. | ||
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On October 11 2014 02:02 batsnacks wrote: I think he's town because of how he defended himself n1. Seemed legit. I agree that he's done scummy stuff, stuff you and others have brought up... That's why I didn't say anything when you said "you'll have to do better than that bats" or something earlier. what are your thoughts on Hopeless? Earlier he was on your "would lynch" list (link), but then you complained about spending all day talking about him (link) even though you admit he bailed after he became a topic (link). Given all this, why the vote on Damdred? It seems to me that you should be eager to vote hopeless, who is actually a legit wagon. And if you're not, why aren't you yelling at people to get on the Damdred wagon? | ||
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On October 11 2014 00:57 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm going through the game and making certain that those two are in fact the scummiest players to me before I go about pushing a lynch on anyone. Does that not make sense? Should I just RNG a new target and push them incessantly instead of reading the game? This post Mod 12, storr is 0 This would make 1. Hopeless1der 2. Damdred 3. Palmer 4. Alakaslam 5. Grackaroni 6. liancourt 7. KelsierSC 8. batsnacks 9. Holyflare 10. BlazingHand 11. ObiWanShinobi 0. StorrZerg His post count for the post is 23091395. 23091395 mod 12 is 11. So he did in fact RNG OWS, legitimately. Looking at the timing of his other posts on the site, he didn't game it. | ||
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On October 11 2014 02:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I lynched Palmar when I could've lynched SD. I'd say that's anything but the path of least resistance. clearly palmar, with his massive amount of thread presence, was a real threat to you. so much thread presence, so many posts, he was all over the thread. yes, this is a good point you make, definitely valid. | ||
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On October 11 2014 02:16 batsnacks wrote: I think hopeless is by far the scummiest person in the game and the most likely to flip mafia. I just feel like voting damdred right now. I think he might be mafia, but I couldn't convince anyone he is so I haven't said anything. Besides we have like 10 hours. ok, now your vote makes sense to me. | ||
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On October 11 2014 02:17 StorrZerg wrote: lets say, it was possible the system was gamed. I mean the end result is, hopeless landed on someone that has a chance to be pushed over himself. Even if its not gamed, it stands to reason that hopeless is still "trolling" by doing this rng vote, since it mimics bh rng day 1. So still makes liam reason to push hopeless kinda weak, do you agree bh Oh yeah hopeless is 100% trolling, but it looks to me like this was a legitimate RNG. It's not like it's particularly unlikely for it to land on OWS. not sure what liam's "reasoning" is but I don't like his posting today in general. regardless, hopeless lynch isn't even close to as good as an OWS lynch | ||
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On October 11 2014 02:58 Hopeless1der wrote: so...BH can you be convinced that A) I am not scum and B) Obiwan is not scum? If you want me to vote some third player (like lian or perhaps bats) you could just convince me they're scummier than OWS | ||
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On October 11 2014 03:03 Damdred wrote: I think hopeless case does not make me mafia at all. The oats thing there was a little bit of time in between my initial points about how it was unlike oats. Which it’s still unlike oats to freak out like that about a joke claim that early, and it’s still a bit weird. I started off with a knee jerk reaction and ended up somewhere differently after a few hours and rereading what happened. I still wasn’t sold as Oats being super solid town but I thought it was a bit silly at the time to scum read him just on that, and when he came back to the thread he was pretty towny and then he got shot and was town. I think I did not show much in the way of progression on this read, probably should of fleshed it out more but I don’t think it makes me mafia. And if you were to scum read me for something like this its pretty prevalent in the thread that a lot of people have done just what I did. If you look at Noir 2 for instance (BH WILL REMEMBER THIS), Robik got RNG’d he did not self vote and fuck off. He complained and fought against the lynch. It is not unreasonable to think, ok this lynch is not going to work the person who it landed on will fight for themselves and actually do stuff. Instead, he fucks off so yea its suspicious that someone would do that. Obviously my suspicion was well founded since he flipped mafia. I think I’ve made it clear in past games that I’m not the biggest fan of policy lynches, and if OO was able to actually be able to produce content and be useful I wouldn’t of voted for him. But he fucked off right after and I had no choice but to vote. There is not much to say about this. And yea, I don’t think BH has caught mafia before as far as I know with RNG. And…yea pretty sure hes going to use it more now. Also I have been calling BH town all game not just at that point when I said in tin foil land, I didn’t know if their was a way to game the system to get the point that BH wanted. I was educated and am better for it. Looking at thread sentiment you can tell if someone has a legitimate shot at getting lynched today. People are suspicious of Liam I think, but just not sure if he should be the lynch at this point or that I could draw the support needed. I still think liam has a good shot at flipping scum, but the way that you’ve played the past two days hopeless left me in a position where either one was a decent lynch. And liam was town read by a few people who I’m town reading so I have a little pause today. | ||
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On October 11 2014 03:06 Hopeless1der wrote: i want you to vote damdred...as per my case. Could you comment on it? I'll take a look and tell you what I think | ||
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On October 11 2014 05:03 Holyflare wrote: Dude bh you're trying to push a counter wagon off of scum. You're doing the exact thing you're scum reading obi for. Are you now mafia? my wagon is righteous and all that oppose me shall feel remorse! | ||
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On October 11 2014 05:30 Blazinghand wrote: OK so what seems to be going on here is Damdred says "oats is weird" then he continues to think oats is weird, then he comes up with a random townread on him. yeah, I don't see a good thought progression here. it's possible damdred is scummy for this, but this isn't imo damning evidence. Could just be he changed his mind and didn't articulate himself well. These are normal observations. Of course self-voting is weird. There's nothing wrong with looking at OO for non RNG stuff. And given that OO actually flipped town, I don't see how Damdred being all suspicious of the guy who flipped scum is an issue. The issue is that he took so long to vote OO, not that he was suspiciopus of OO. get your shit together H1 OWS is literally wrong here. OO _did_ get lynched. PEople could say "OO wasn't gonna get lynched or whatever" but basically it came down to this: OO got voted, and then he reacted with stuff. Hell, even if you agree with OWS (who, by the way, is scum) then you STILL have to show that damdred agrees with OWS, or that disagreeing is so unreasonable you must be scum. The fact that you personally believe that OO's reaction is null (and it obviously wasn't null, OO was scum and got caught, and part of why he got caught was his scummy reaction) doesn't matter. He could have just posted this in the QT if they're scum together... reasonable, the late vote looks like a bus. tone problems, but nothing damdred said was false. a small point against damdred Damdred's lack of RNG understanding is stupid, but this does not make him scum. blah blah yeah the case on lian is bad we get it lack of follow up is legit look you could look into anyone's filter and find little inconsistencies like this. Could be damdred is scum, but I don't see any of this even remotely convincing comapred to OWS | ||
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On October 11 2014 05:34 Holyflare wrote: Fuck off have i not written a case. I literally just copied everything to condense it too Yeah, there's the 5%. You can't deny that you have mostly spent today threatening people instead of being good and useful. When I lead town, I question people and help them develop reads (if they're town) or reveal their false mindsets (if they're scum). What the dicks do you think you're doing, telling people they're scum (even jokingly) to bully them onto the wagon, instead of fostering an environment that generates evidence? | ||
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On October 11 2014 05:47 Hopeless1der wrote: Self voting because RNG landed on you isnt a weird response. Attempting to call you (BH) scum because the RNG landed on OO would be a weird response. Attempting to call you (BH) scum because you USED RNG is slightly better but not really. In any case, the reasons for calling OO scum should have nothing to do with his response to being RNGed. Damdred pulls up super early to cast suspicion without committing to it for dubious reasoning. Being suspicious of anyone is fine if its for the right reasons. Damdred doesnt have the right reasons to call someone scum here. OWS may have ultimately been wrong, but at the time that was a reasonable thought process because RNG is not sufficient to lynch someone. OO was scummy outside of the RNG, his reaction to the RNG is in fact null. bah this is BS and you know it. Self voting is 100% a weird response to getting RNGed. On the other hand, if you're unfamiliar with RNG why wouldn't it be weird to be suspicious of the idea, or of the person suggesting it? | ||
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On October 11 2014 06:08 Hopeless1der wrote: I would totally try to self vote if I was RNGed. If unfamiliar, yeah pushing back might be reasonable. Except OO was familiar, and laughed it off as a joke and tried to self vote. If the argument is that OO did NOT know what your RNG process was, then your point is much more valid, but his first post was Right, then he voted himself, which is really weird imo | ||
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On October 11 2014 06:16 Grackaroni wrote: I've mostly been sheeping HF that was my main reason for scum reading you. I think there's actually a point in your favor that you aren't scum reading Obi seeing as he looks like the only person being truly considered as a counter wagon at the moment. H1 could also have said "lawl rng tells me to lynch OWS" and stayed on him. Of course if they're scum together this could blah blah associative unflipped tells etc | ||
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On October 11 2014 06:23 Grackaroni wrote: Which all kind of ties back to Slam's post about how we really don't know how to scum hunt and we just attack people for "not being useful", which he's probably right about. I'd actually be okay with policy lynching the least contributive person a lot of the time. I feel like it would... feel good? even if it didn't make us win. but this is a discussion for post game. today I think OWS is where it's at. | ||
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On October 11 2014 06:30 Grackaroni wrote: I have absolutely no idea how to read him either but it actually looks like he may be mafia and wants us to catch him or something. I could see that, I guess, but I won't pretend to understand his motivations. I'm sure you have plans for your bullet tonight, but how would you feel about shooting Slam? I feel like inevitably we'll have to lynch him anyways. | ||
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On October 11 2014 06:35 batsnacks wrote: HF do you feel like BH has tried to discredit you recently? HE BETTER, BECAUSE I HAVE. HIS LEADERSHIP STYLE IS BAD AND HE SHOULD FEEL BAD. | ||
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On October 11 2014 06:38 batsnacks wrote: Do you feel that your leadership style was better? take a look at my filter batsnacks, and look at where I talk to people and get them to develop reads and give stance and all kinds of things like that today. contrast just yelling at people and saying they're scum if they don't vote with hf. do you even need to ask the question? I'm the hero this thread needs | ||
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On October 11 2014 06:52 Grackaroni wrote: I promise there's some good stuff to read in there! There was an RNG and it hit OWS! You don't have to read it if you don't want to but I'd like your opinion because I'm flip flopping. alright, fair enough. I'll read the case and make a definitive read | ||
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On October 11 2014 06:53 Hopeless1der wrote: He knows about the RNG, he even verified I did it correctly. all I verified is that you didn't game it with one of your posts. clearly you didn't do rng correctly because you didn't vote for your rng target. | ||
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don't be coy with me, you poopy-head. On October 11 2014 02:23 Hopeless1der wrote: ##Unvote ##Vote: Damdred try bullshit liek that again and I'll vote you in principle. | ||
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On October 11 2014 06:58 batsnacks wrote: I really want to unvote hopeless all of a sudden... But I know I can't... Mafia makes the diagram... Town tells me to fuck off... But I really want to unvote hopeless who else do you have in mind? surely you're not moving back to damdred. | ||
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On October 11 2014 07:01 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm sorry. I didn't think the rules were so strict after D1. what rules? the point of RNG is that you rng your vote. when I said "you didn't vote for your rng target" your objection can't be "look, here's me voting for him" and leave out the fact that you unvoted him literally an hour later. Like, look at that post of yours that's just a question mark. Really dude? really? You think you've fulfilled the premise of RNG? or are you pretending to not understand the fact that I'm referring to where your vote is now? | ||
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On October 11 2014 07:20 batsnacks wrote: No I won't be voting damdred again today. Probably won't be voting anyone else today unless something unexpected happens. I'm about here in the moment: hopeless > liam > obiwan, BH, store > damdred, palmar, HF, keyser ???>slam>??? If hopeless is town this all probably changes. if you think storr, me, AND OWS are all scummier than damdred, why in the name of the lord would you vote him? | ||
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On October 11 2014 08:50 Holyflare wrote: Lian has a high chance of being mafia and it is annoying that no cop has said anything about these 2 lynches whatsoever today. Regardless we're lynching your target. Have fun. Don't see why it's anyone but the cop's decision how and when to claim. Get off your high horse. You don't know what the check is. | ||
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On October 11 2014 09:00 Holyflare wrote: A check on lian or hopeless green or red will quite literally solve the game. There is no mafia rber left and it's impossible for them to die tomorrow. right, which means that the cop doesn't have one of those, so bugger off for now. he knows what he's doing I'm sure | ||
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On October 11 2014 09:03 Holyflare wrote: That's impossible to know and he might have a check on them and just not be saying anything when he should be if he had a check on one of them and could end the game by claiming, he'd claim. don't be annoyed just because the cop didn't check 2 of the 13 players who were alive n1 | ||
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On October 11 2014 09:06 Holyflare wrote: If you have something useful to say about an actual mafia hopeless wagon then say it otherwise go away with your useless obi talk and cop tactics not only are you literally also voting obi, we agree on cop tactics. | ||
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On October 11 2014 09:26 Holyflare wrote: Bats will you town read me again if i switch back? Can't bear you hating me babe. are these really your main motivating factors for voting people right now??? | ||
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On October 11 2014 09:40 Hopeless1der wrote: I mean mafia just WOULD NOT go full retard like this. Not a chance in hell. Holyflare is out of his mind, but he's town. yeah.... fair enough | ||
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On October 11 2014 09:51 Holyflare wrote: You would be lynching your town power role and i legitimately am one. I have literally zero faith that this is true | ||
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On October 11 2014 09:54 StorrZerg wrote: Can someone explain the actions obi has done today, and why they are scummy. (if someone all ready made a very good case please just link) i'm still hung up on day 1 stuff with obi which is why i don't want to vote him.. So i'm very against his lynch.. what do you mean by hung up on day 1 stuff? the day 1 stuff is the scummiest stuff. | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:26 Alakaslam wrote: Nah OWS dyin oh man, that would be so sweet.I guess in that case I should really make a read on h1 then. I'll skim through HF's disgusting awful filter and find the case and dissect it | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:29 StorrZerg wrote: no i want you to prove other points than what you listed about day 1 crap regarding ows. I believe that doesn't make him mafia. You disagree. So, find something else and convince me. How is that hard? why are you unwilling to develop your read. secondly, you could switch to liam and help me lynch him instead....... Liam is unlikely to get lynched today. In any case, OWS has looked better today than he did yesterday, except for his weird change in views on hf. I can't write a good case on him using d2 stuff. In any case, the d1 stuff is most telling. Also, don't accuse me of being unwilling to develop my read when I'm constantly pushing people to give reads (granted, not in the past few hours. but...) The fact of the matter here is, OWS looks better today than he did D1. That's fact. But D1 is always the most important day for reads. Many players, myself included, have their best reads D1. Now, later days are easier, but that's because it's easier to look back and see what people were doing D1. So if you want me to point out like a list of scummy things OWS did D2, and you're mad I didn't, I'm sorry: he didn't fuck up D2. But that doesn't make him town, that makes him scum who got his shit together, yanno? | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:33 ObiWanShinobi wrote: No it doesn't. BH really just has no idea what the fuck he's doing this game. people BH has lead a lynch on so far: 1 people lynched so far who are scum: 1 | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:35 ObiWanShinobi wrote: You rng'd him. Stop taking credit for shit you had no control over. I RNGed him, yes. But look at it this way: I may have no idea what I'm doing, but I don't let my incompetence get in the way of my talent. | ||
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On October 11 2014 01:02 Holyflare wrote: Your whole game is throwing out random town reads that don't make sense and don't line up with any thought process. What really blew it for you was calling me town so conveniently based on those points you listed. I've been saying scum is very likely to bus OO because that's what he asked to do last game he was mafia and cba to play, however as you pointed out, my reason before that was "made up" therefore to you all I've done is randomly defend your scum read, pushed a flipped town and lie about a reason so that people hop on a mafia wagon. All those things are very likely for me to do as mafia. Very very likely. Yet they are super weird for anyone to town read me on. These are pretty much your only elaborated reads in the entire game too, the rest of your never lynch list isn't explained at all. All of these town reads aren't explained. Yojr scum reads aren't explained and haven't changed. And my red check  So the case on H1 is 1. H1 doesn't explain anything about 90% of his reads. he has many "these people are odd" reads. 2. H1 reads damd and lian as being scum, and instead of pushing them, townreads a bunch of other people. 3. The townreads he throws up are nonsensical and don't come from any reason 4. HF acted scummy and H1 townread HF for it is this accurate? | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:39 ObiWanShinobi wrote: The case on h1 is that he made up reasons to townread Holyflare after thinking he was scummy for all of day 1. Read everything that I said about him at the start of day 2. OK, so a nonsensical townread on HF. just out of curiosity, did this townread begin during N1 or D2? | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:40 StorrZerg wrote: add H1 defended "oo" H1 had been pushing liam day 1, then decided to just vote "oo" because "ill end up here" Yeah, H1's reason for voting OO is shit, as is his initial defense. so here's my analysis of things H1 comes in and defends OO http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23073759 , saying things like " great post 10/10. Still don't think OO is scum though." and "Maybe you walk me through your thought process again as to why matyring to RNG is scummy?" when he returns several hours later, he says "stop with the rng discussion" and "OO is a lurker lynch and an RNG lynch. Where the hell is batsnacks..fuck it" (in reference to hf saying batsnacks should stop him from policying) and then he votes OO for shit reasons http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=23075648 alright.... i'm convinced. I don't care about H1's weird d1 shit. the fact that he's #3 on the OO wagon makes him look townie, but honestly at the time he swapped over, OO hadn't posted yet. And... hmm. yeah, decent. ok, I don't like his D1 play. I don't see signs of a mafia mindset in it, but how he played is how I might expect a scum player to play, which is, try to derail the RnG, then hop on as an early vote (with the opportunity to hop off later). I don't think it's implausible he was just playing slow as a townie D1 though, and though he had shit reasons... he did jump on really early. long before it was clear OO got lynched. if I'm assuming that he's scum, I'm assuming that H1 played a real long game, and was thinking "after OO flips, I want to be an early wagon adopter". not implausible, but a difficult move and something only a truly skilled player like myself could pull off. He might have done it as scum. The fact that he didn't push the RNG lynch too hard after he got on the wagon is a bit damning, though. I consider H1 to be lynchable for it. But not today. Not with OWS literally blatantly trying to save OO. | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:43 Holyflare wrote: N1 but the majority of his reasons were day 1, i don't really think he scum read me i can't remember so it wouldn't be in response to mafia shooting you, discovering your'e vet (or had medic protection) and him trying to buddy you pre-claim or something in any case, my conclusion is that the h1 lynch is not an awful lynch. I suspect it has a 40%+ chance to flip scum. However, it's not even closer to the OWS lynch which is like 80%+ chance to flip scum, so I will not be changing. | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:50 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I was never trying to save OO. Stop being such a jubjub. I explained it a bajillion times and you're just not listening. Sure, you weren't trying to save OO, just 'jokingly' lynch someone who wasn't OO... thereby saving OO. | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:51 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Also, if you want to argue about saving OO, hopeless actually tried to do this as well. Read Damdred's post on how hopeless was interacting with people before he moved his vote. Yeah, read my analysis of H1. he too is scummy. Not like you, he didn't put a super serious effort into it, and he got onto the wagon way early, which is less scummy. Though I just realized, it's possible he was planning to jump off, then circumstances made it impossible. So that's another way his actions would make sense for scum. In any case, OWS, you die first. | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:53 ObiWanShinobi wrote: I will lie down and get lynched/shot if hopeless doesn't flip scum. That's how confident I am. If, through some unlikely circumstance, H1 flips town and you're town and you lie down and get lynched, you're awful. Don't do that. Always fight. Always. Make your voice heard. Write cases. force people to take stances while you still have a chance to speak. if you die, you become conftown, so you have to make your time valuable. basic stuff, people. | ||
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On October 11 2014 10:56 ObiWanShinobi wrote: It's a form of confident rhetoric. Dude. It's dumb confident rhetoric, because it's literally saying "If I'm wrong, I'm also going to be incompetent in the future" how could that possibly be a useful thing to say | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:00 ObiWanShinobi wrote: Well we're not getting his vote. So that's a wash since he doesn't feel like paying attention. You're getting my vote, OWS. You have it right now. | ||
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On October 11 2014 11:13 StorrZerg wrote: Seriously BH. The day 1 stuff has been talked about a million times. I've given my stance on day 1. You need to convince me IF you really want to lynch him, why he is acting scummy PAST day 1. its honestly a big cluster fuck of waste of time to keep going on about day 1 stuff, when i think day 1 isn't scum. well he kinda isn't acting scummy after D1, so I don't know what to say. D1 is what's impotant | ||
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On October 11 2014 14:04 liancourt wrote: i think you've claimed every role in the game applauds I believe it. He wouldn't lie to the cop about the veracity of the N1 check. HF wants to end the game quickly which is why he claimed. he's dead tonight anyways, so why not? | ||
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h8 all u want m8 but i st8 that OWS is scum | ||
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thanks for the gr9 hosting | ||
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i mean, shit man he outplayed the rest of his team | ||
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On October 17 2014 18:53 marvellosity wrote: What is this godawful advice? Ignore that. It's probably worth noting that OWS didn't out as the cop, and got his check lynched anyways. Can't really complain with that. In any case, haters can hate all they want on how town played this game, but I think one thing is clear: this means a lot for RNG | ||
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On October 17 2014 19:29 Grackaroni wrote: I did use a blue action on him! I shot him Yeah, and that's about as good as it gets for Oats. Like, best case scenario, he gives enough accurate reads that he's shot by a vigi instead of lynched. If you hadn't shot him, I'm sure he'd have gotten lynched. | ||
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but marvvvvv I have to move, i'm so sorry, let me take photos of my boxen | ||
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