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On October 08 2014 08:07 Blazinghand wrote:

OK, let's say I grant you that scum would consider other lynches if OO was scum. Let's say that's true, for the sake of this argument.

Consider the alternative situation. Let's say OO is town, right? You're scum and you see this apathetic, useless townie going up for the lynch. Do you just hop on the wagon mindlessly (remember, this is a somewhat contested wagon, people are saying things like "people are voting this wagon so they don't have to discuss") or do you try to bring up an alternative lynch candidate? As scum, you want to appear to be that paranoid townie who didn't trust the D1 wagon, if OO was town. It would be like "OO the townie has been lynched!" and then the scum player would be like "ugh, come on guys, look at this long post I wrote (on another townie), that despite my pushing was ignored! Come on, guys! get with the program!" and he'd collect town cred.

So, I think we can agree scum would consider other lynches if OO was town, too, right? In fact, I think no matter what OO's alignment is, it makes sense for scum to push other lynches because his lynch, though contested, is inevitable and there's little to be gained by pushing it. Now, does it make sense to raise a huge rabble and draw a ton of attention to yourself as scum in this situation? I think regardless of OO's alignment, the answer is "no". Whatever OO will flip, you want to do a decent effort on pushing another wagon (or at least one person on the team should), but in a quiet D1 like this rocking the boat will only draw attention.

In any case, I guess the point I'm getting at here is it's reasonable to say that scum will push OR not push another wagon, either way, at some moderate amount, regardless of OO's alignment. Your statement, which is that scum would push another wagon if OO was scum, is also true for if OO is town, and so isn't useful in determining OO's alignment.


God, I hate associative tells between unflipped people

On October 08 2014 07:56 Grackaroni wrote:

I disagree. It's one thing to be open to lynching him and its another thing to just completely ignore the obi suspicion when HF/I were pushing hard on obi. I feel pretty strongly that if OO is scum and Obi is town then there would be some people agreeing with Obi being scum so they have another option to switch to if OO ends up not being the lynch.

On October 08 2014 08:07 Blazinghand wrote:

OK, let's say I grant you that scum would consider other lynches if OO was scum. Let's say that's true, for the sake of this argument.

Consider the alternative situation. Let's say OO is town, right? You're scum and you see this apathetic, useless townie going up for the lynch. Do you just hop on the wagon mindlessly (remember, this is a somewhat contested wagon, people are saying things like "people are voting this wagon so they don't have to discuss") or do you try to bring up an alternative lynch candidate? As scum, you want to appear to be that paranoid townie who didn't trust the D1 wagon, if OO was town. It would be like "OO the townie has been lynched!" and then the scum player would be like "ugh, come on guys, look at this long post I wrote (on another townie), that despite my pushing was ignored! Come on, guys! get with the program!" and he'd collect town cred.

So, I think we can agree scum would consider other lynches if OO was town, too, right? In fact, I think no matter what OO's alignment is, it makes sense for scum to push other lynches because his lynch, though contested, is inevitable and there's little to be gained by pushing it. Now, does it make sense to raise a huge rabble and draw a ton of attention to yourself as scum in this situation? I think regardless of OO's alignment, the answer is "no". Whatever OO will flip, you want to do a decent effort on pushing another wagon (or at least one person on the team should), but in a quiet D1 like this rocking the boat will only draw attention.

In any case, I guess the point I'm getting at here is it's reasonable to say that scum will push OR not push another wagon, either way, at some moderate amount, regardless of OO's alignment. Your statement, which is that scum would push another wagon if OO was scum, is also true for if OO is town, and so isn't useful in determining OO's alignment.


God, I hate associative tells between unflipped people

On October 08 2014 08:34 Grackaroni wrote:
Yeah Storr I reread your case I'm not following the difference between your X and my Y. You're saying he's scum because he's scum reading all of the inactives. The reason he doesn't want to scum read OO is because he's suspicious of the people pushing RNG because his logic tells him that supporting RNG is scummy. For Lian pushing RNG is not just some policy BH likes to do it's something BH is doing this game to avoid contributing analysis and that Slam/I jumped on to for the same reason. In his mind that makes OO less scummy I guess.

On October 08 2014 08:42 Grackaroni wrote:

He's trying to solve the game though. He goes through the thread and picks out the things that he finds alignment indicative and has come up with a bunch of town reads. He suspects the people who haven't been posting because he hasn't found reasons for them to be town. You may not like the way he's playing the game but it doesn't make him scum.