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On October 08 2014 07:43 Damdred wrote:
Grack if I said there is a decent chance bats could be scum would you think I'm crazy

On October 08 2014 07:42 StorrZerg wrote:


Why the priority on "logic" when i feel the majority of people that are reading him scum has to do with how he scum reads people, and that he is very wishy washy with reads, and is only really scum reading inactives.

On October 08 2014 07:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Palmar I want you to read that HF/me/Obi exchange and actually play the game. If Marv were here would you tell him he should be able to town read you by now? No you would not.

On October 08 2014 07:42 Holyflare wrote:


he did answer you by talking to me instead and brushed it off like you were voting him for no reason

On October 08 2014 07:45 batsnacks wrote:


This is because of what I said about free townreads for Liam, isn't it? You won't catch me with that this game.

On October 08 2014 07:41 batsnacks wrote:
If no one here knew each other I think a few more people would have scum read BH for his RNG thing. I also think if no one here knew each other more than a few people would be scum reading palmar. BH and palmar play a lot though, so just about everyone but Liam is used to seeing this from both of them.

And I think it's positive that he learned, accepted, and worked with that in regards to BH.

On October 08 2014 07:53 Blazinghand wrote:
I gotta say, I don't view the lack of pushback on the OO lynch as a serious problem. If he's playing like this as scum, why would his scumteam do anything to save him? They'd obviously bus him.

On October 08 2014 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
It seems like a lot of people are scum reading Lian just because they disagree with a lot of his logic. But there's actually a lot of townie things about his filter and he's putting a lot of effort into the game.

On October 08 2014 07:56 Grackaroni wrote:

I disagree. It's one thing to be open to lynching him and its another thing to just completely ignore the obi suspicion when HF/I were pushing hard on obi. I feel pretty strongly that if OO is scum and Obi is town then there would be some people agreeing with Obi being scum so they have another option to switch to if OO ends up not being the lynch.

On October 08 2014 07:54 Damdred wrote:


This is actually null for me this game bat, I think every time we've playes together and you were town you are 100% towards giving the newer players a pass for day one.

What would you say to that you are posting extremely structured, you are forming cases without tunneling and you are posting during certain time frames?

On October 08 2014 07:56 Grackaroni wrote:

I disagree. It's one thing to be open to lynching him and its another thing to just completely ignore the obi suspicion when HF/I were pushing hard on obi. I feel pretty strongly that if OO is scum and Obi is town then there would be some people agreeing with Obi being scum so they have another option to switch to if OO ends up not being the lynch.

On October 08 2014 08:10 Palmar wrote:
So basically what you're saying BH is "it don't even matter bro".

On October 08 2014 08:07 Blazinghand wrote:

OK, let's say I grant you that scum would consider other lynches if OO was scum. Let's say that's true, for the sake of this argument.

Consider the alternative situation. Let's say OO is town, right? You're scum and you see this apathetic, useless townie going up for the lynch. Do you just hop on the wagon mindlessly (remember, this is a somewhat contested wagon, people are saying things like "people are voting this wagon so they don't have to discuss") or do you try to bring up an alternative lynch candidate? As scum, you want to appear to be that paranoid townie who didn't trust the D1 wagon, if OO was town. It would be like "OO the townie has been lynched!" and then the scum player would be like "ugh, come on guys, look at this long post I wrote (on another townie), that despite my pushing was ignored! Come on, guys! get with the program!" and he'd collect town cred.

So, I think we can agree scum would consider other lynches if OO was town, too, right? In fact, I think no matter what OO's alignment is, it makes sense for scum to push other lynches because his lynch, though contested, is inevitable and there's little to be gained by pushing it. Now, does it make sense to raise a huge rabble and draw a ton of attention to yourself as scum in this situation? I think regardless of OO's alignment, the answer is "no". Whatever OO will flip, you want to do a decent effort on pushing another wagon (or at least one person on the team should), but in a quiet D1 like this rocking the boat will only draw attention.

In any case, I guess the point I'm getting at here is it's reasonable to say that scum will push OR not push another wagon, either way, at some moderate amount, regardless of OO's alignment. Your statement, which is that scum would push another wagon if OO was scum, is also true for if OO is town, and so isn't useful in determining OO's alignment.


God, I hate associative tells between unflipped people