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batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
October 07 2014 22:45 GMT
#801
On October 08 2014 07:43 Damdred wrote:
Grack if I said there is a decent chance bats could be scum would you think I'm crazy


This is because of what I said about free townreads for Liam, isn't it? You won't catch me with that this game.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 07 2014 22:47 GMT
#802
On October 08 2014 07:42 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
It seems like a lot of people are scum reading Lian just because they disagree with a lot of his logic. But there's actually a lot of townie things about his filter and he's putting a lot of effort into the game.


Why the priority on "logic" when i feel the majority of people that are reading him scum has to do with how he scum reads people, and that he is very wishy washy with reads, and is only really scum reading inactives.

new to the forum. 5 page filter already. Low content game. Enough said really. You don't like that he's pushing people for supporting RNG but I think theres genuine reason for why he's suspicious of people pushing RNG.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
October 07 2014 22:49 GMT
#803
On October 08 2014 07:36 Grackaroni wrote:
Palmar I want you to read that HF/me/Obi exchange and actually play the game. If Marv were here would you tell him he should be able to town read you by now? No you would not.

To be perfectly fair, a) he would be able to. b) even if he wouldn't admit it, I'd still shove it down his throat.

I sorta know how he reads me so well, and I know I'm basically being the stereotype of that this game.
Computer says mafia
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 07 2014 22:50 GMT
#804
On October 08 2014 07:42 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 07:40 Grackaroni wrote:
OO lynch also makes me uncomfortable. I've never seen this much support for lynching an inactive before and there's not even meta reasons for him being scum.

Obi never answered my question and nobody has commented on this at all.
On October 07 2014 15:03 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 07 2014 12:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 07 2014 12:39 Hopeless1der wrote:
okay...how do you feel about grack* and/or kelsier?

Damdred you're thoughts on them as well?

*I know i've made no mention of him yet.


I don't feel particularly confident reading either of those players right now. I'm looking, and they look kind of town I guess...Maybe.

I have no solid wisdom to impart here, lool.


On October 07 2014 14:12 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 07 2014 14:10 Grackaroni wrote:
lol like half my filter is talking about BH being town. I feel pretty confident that you can get a solid read on him based on his enthusiasm to contribute and I've seen a good number of BH games.

I like Obiwan for a vote.
##Unvote: OO
##Vote: Obiwan


You might. I don't.

And I didn't even read your filter. I don't know what you're trying to do here.

uhhhh I went back to the Hopeless interaction you keep mentioning and its raising further questions.

I think this is easily the scummiest thing in the thread.


he did answer you by talking to me instead and brushed it off like you were voting him for no reason

Yeah but he essentially just ignored the question.
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
October 07 2014 22:53 GMT
#805
I gotta say, I don't view the lack of pushback on the OO lynch as a serious problem. If he's playing like this as scum, why would his scumteam do anything to save him? They'd obviously bus him.
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Damdred
Profile Joined July 2014
15669 Posts
October 07 2014 22:54 GMT
#806
On October 08 2014 07:45 batsnacks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 07:43 Damdred wrote:
Grack if I said there is a decent chance bats could be scum would you think I'm crazy


This is because of what I said about free townreads for Liam, isn't it? You won't catch me with that this game.


This is actually null for me this game bat, I think every time we've playes together and you were town you are 100% towards giving the newer players a pass for day one.

What would you say to that you are posting extremely structured, you are forming cases without tunneling and you are posting during certain time frames?
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
October 07 2014 22:56 GMT
#807
On October 08 2014 07:41 batsnacks wrote:
If no one here knew each other I think a few more people would have scum read BH for his RNG thing. I also think if no one here knew each other more than a few people would be scum reading palmar. BH and palmar play a lot though, so just about everyone but Liam is used to seeing this from both of them.

And I think it's positive that he learned, accepted, and worked with that in regards to BH.


reaffirms my town read on you. I did indeed accept BH for what he is. About palmar I'm still apprehensive and have him as a scum read.
Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 07 2014 22:56 GMT
#808
On October 08 2014 07:53 Blazinghand wrote:
I gotta say, I don't view the lack of pushback on the OO lynch as a serious problem. If he's playing like this as scum, why would his scumteam do anything to save him? They'd obviously bus him.

I disagree. It's one thing to be open to lynching him and its another thing to just completely ignore the obi suspicion when HF/I were pushing hard on obi. I feel pretty strongly that if OO is scum and Obi is town then there would be some people agreeing with Obi being scum so they have another option to switch to if OO ends up not being the lynch.
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
October 07 2014 22:58 GMT
#809
On October 08 2014 07:32 Grackaroni wrote:
It seems like a lot of people are scum reading Lian just because they disagree with a lot of his logic. But there's actually a lot of townie things about his filter and he's putting a lot of effort into the game.


you seem to get the jist of the angle I'm trying to go for. My logic seems to be different than most of the players here. You've lean towards town instead of just being null.
geript
Profile Joined February 2013
10024 Posts
October 07 2014 23:01 GMT
#810
Vote Count:
Grackaroni (0): batsnacks
Oatsmaster (0): batsnacks, batsnacks
Obvious One (7): Blazinghand, Alakaslam, Grackaroni, Hopeless1der, Holyflare, Oatsmaster, liancourt, KelsierSC
Palmer (0): batsnacks
Obiwanshinobi (1): Holyflare, Grackaroni
Holyflare (1): ObiWanShinobi
KelsierSC (0): Oatsmaster
liancourt (1): StorrZerg

Not Voting (4): Damdred, Palmer, ObviousOne, batsnacks

Currently Obvious One is set to be lynched.
Day 1 ends at Wednesday, Oct 08 4:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (in )
Voting is Mandatory

Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
October 07 2014 23:04 GMT
#811
On October 08 2014 07:56 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 07:53 Blazinghand wrote:
I gotta say, I don't view the lack of pushback on the OO lynch as a serious problem. If he's playing like this as scum, why would his scumteam do anything to save him? They'd obviously bus him.

I disagree. It's one thing to be open to lynching him and its another thing to just completely ignore the obi suspicion when HF/I were pushing hard on obi. I feel pretty strongly that if OO is scum and Obi is town then there would be some people agreeing with Obi being scum so they have another option to switch to if OO ends up not being the lynch.

##vote Obi

Where is your god now?
Computer says mafia
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
October 07 2014 23:04 GMT
#812
On October 08 2014 07:54 Damdred wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 07:45 batsnacks wrote:
On October 08 2014 07:43 Damdred wrote:
Grack if I said there is a decent chance bats could be scum would you think I'm crazy


This is because of what I said about free townreads for Liam, isn't it? You won't catch me with that this game.


This is actually null for me this game bat, I think every time we've playes together and you were town you are 100% towards giving the newer players a pass for day one.

What would you say to that you are posting extremely structured, you are forming cases without tunneling and you are posting during certain time frames?


I'd say thank you...

If you're scum reading me for those reasons though I would say that I am capable of being structured as either alignment. I am also capable of being unstructured as either alignment.

I would say that my cases haven't been that great; honestly if anyone I made a case against is mafia it's probably not because of what I said in the case, though it might be because how they reacted to my case. I have a tendency (as town) to read people based on their reactions, to my own posts in particular. I don't really read people based on how they are acting in the thread as a whole.

And I always post at about the same time every day.
liancourt
Profile Joined September 2014
1563 Posts
October 07 2014 23:05 GMT
#813
@storr you still havent given your reads on anyone else but me. you seem to be lurking around what is it

I'll change my read on you from town to scum because you just flatly disregarded my request
batsnacks
Profile Blog Joined April 2014
United States4466 Posts
October 07 2014 23:05 GMT
#814
Hold up I don't want to miss the train

##vote: ObiWanShinobi
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
October 07 2014 23:07 GMT
#815
On October 08 2014 07:56 Grackaroni wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 07:53 Blazinghand wrote:
I gotta say, I don't view the lack of pushback on the OO lynch as a serious problem. If he's playing like this as scum, why would his scumteam do anything to save him? They'd obviously bus him.

I disagree. It's one thing to be open to lynching him and its another thing to just completely ignore the obi suspicion when HF/I were pushing hard on obi. I feel pretty strongly that if OO is scum and Obi is town then there would be some people agreeing with Obi being scum so they have another option to switch to if OO ends up not being the lynch.

OK, let's say I grant you that scum would consider other lynches if OO was scum. Let's say that's true, for the sake of this argument.

Consider the alternative situation. Let's say OO is town, right? You're scum and you see this apathetic, useless townie going up for the lynch. Do you just hop on the wagon mindlessly (remember, this is a somewhat contested wagon, people are saying things like "people are voting this wagon so they don't have to discuss") or do you try to bring up an alternative lynch candidate? As scum, you want to appear to be that paranoid townie who didn't trust the D1 wagon, if OO was town. It would be like "OO the townie has been lynched!" and then the scum player would be like "ugh, come on guys, look at this long post I wrote (on another townie), that despite my pushing was ignored! Come on, guys! get with the program!" and he'd collect town cred.

So, I think we can agree scum would consider other lynches if OO was town, too, right? In fact, I think no matter what OO's alignment is, it makes sense for scum to push other lynches because his lynch, though contested, is inevitable and there's little to be gained by pushing it. Now, does it make sense to raise a huge rabble and draw a ton of attention to yourself as scum in this situation? I think regardless of OO's alignment, the answer is "no". Whatever OO will flip, you want to do a decent effort on pushing another wagon (or at least one person on the team should), but in a quiet D1 like this rocking the boat will only draw attention.

In any case, I guess the point I'm getting at here is it's reasonable to say that scum will push OR not push another wagon, either way, at some moderate amount, regardless of OO's alignment. Your statement, which is that scum would push another wagon if OO was scum, is also true for if OO is town, and so isn't useful in determining OO's alignment.


God, I hate associative tells between unflipped people
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
October 07 2014 23:09 GMT
#816
Wow that was long winded BH.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
October 07 2014 23:09 GMT
#817
tbh the deadline is like 4 am my time. I think a few people are town (mostly storr and batsnacks). I don't wanna lynch lian simply based on effort he's putting in. HF has 6 pages filter. Didn't even read a single post from him. Remember that HF is always a good cop check. BH said he wasn't mafia and who am I to question him.

And I'm bad enough to agree this oo lynch is too ez, although I don't care lynch him. Like if he's town he can die for all I care, I just don't think it's particularly likely he'll flip town.

So I'll leave my vote on ObiWan. In my efforts to skim the game he has literally never stood out, and I think that's a fine enough reason to kill him. I don't really have anything else to back it up with, so if someone makes a grand case on something after I'm sleeping, just roll with that.

I'm off.
Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
October 07 2014 23:10 GMT
#818
So basically what you're saying BH is "it don't even matter bro".
Computer says mafia
Blazinghand *
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States25557 Posts
October 07 2014 23:13 GMT
#819
On October 08 2014 08:10 Palmar wrote:
So basically what you're saying BH is "it don't even matter bro".


I guess my point is kinda useless now that there's an actual counterwagon, but the point I was trying to make is "absence of a counterwagon could happen on both a scum or a town lynch"
When you stare into the iCCup, the iCCup stares back.
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Grackaroni
Profile Joined July 2011
United States9849 Posts
October 07 2014 23:16 GMT
#820
On October 08 2014 08:07 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 07:56 Grackaroni wrote:
On October 08 2014 07:53 Blazinghand wrote:
I gotta say, I don't view the lack of pushback on the OO lynch as a serious problem. If he's playing like this as scum, why would his scumteam do anything to save him? They'd obviously bus him.

I disagree. It's one thing to be open to lynching him and its another thing to just completely ignore the obi suspicion when HF/I were pushing hard on obi. I feel pretty strongly that if OO is scum and Obi is town then there would be some people agreeing with Obi being scum so they have another option to switch to if OO ends up not being the lynch.

OK, let's say I grant you that scum would consider other lynches if OO was scum. Let's say that's true, for the sake of this argument.

Consider the alternative situation. Let's say OO is town, right? You're scum and you see this apathetic, useless townie going up for the lynch. Do you just hop on the wagon mindlessly (remember, this is a somewhat contested wagon, people are saying things like "people are voting this wagon so they don't have to discuss") or do you try to bring up an alternative lynch candidate? As scum, you want to appear to be that paranoid townie who didn't trust the D1 wagon, if OO was town. It would be like "OO the townie has been lynched!" and then the scum player would be like "ugh, come on guys, look at this long post I wrote (on another townie), that despite my pushing was ignored! Come on, guys! get with the program!" and he'd collect town cred.

So, I think we can agree scum would consider other lynches if OO was town, too, right? In fact, I think no matter what OO's alignment is, it makes sense for scum to push other lynches because his lynch, though contested, is inevitable and there's little to be gained by pushing it. Now, does it make sense to raise a huge rabble and draw a ton of attention to yourself as scum in this situation? I think regardless of OO's alignment, the answer is "no". Whatever OO will flip, you want to do a decent effort on pushing another wagon (or at least one person on the team should), but in a quiet D1 like this rocking the boat will only draw attention.

In any case, I guess the point I'm getting at here is it's reasonable to say that scum will push OR not push another wagon, either way, at some moderate amount, regardless of OO's alignment. Your statement, which is that scum would push another wagon if OO was scum, is also true for if OO is town, and so isn't useful in determining OO's alignment.


God, I hate associative tells between unflipped people

I agree scum would want to have other suspicions if OO is town and some people did consider Liancourt scum when Storr wrote some things about Liancourt. I just didn't see anyone consider obi scum when HF/I really put a lot of effort into trying to make people consider obi scum so that makes me believe obi is mafia regardless of OO. But yeah scum would be even more incentivized to suspect Obi if the wagon is already falling on mafia.

This really isn't helpful for other people because it could just be no mafia is joining because HF/I are mafia and we were trying to find a mislynch but I just like to look at games in this way.
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