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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 21:17 GMT
#737
On October 08 2014 06:15 Palmar wrote:
You understand the "fan" post has nothing to do with the game at hand, I just like slam's posting in general, and I don't like how batsnacks plays the game. Go read the last game if you need any explanation as to why batsnacks is a dick and shouldn't be listened to.


so you made a post of no value that shouldn't be listened to
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 21:36 GMT
#754
Alright I have work early tomorrow so going to give my reads in brief form as they stand and post my vote.

Town

Grak - happy entry to the thread, gave insightful comments on BH, was paying close attention to obi enough to catch him in a "slip"

Storr - Seemed town early with his lian pressure, seems very focused on him, excellent post damning lian which I pretty much 100% agreed with.

Ala - I like how he pointed out how HF just stepped in and started flinging at oats, had a null on obi at a time when that was correct . Early town read but that is how my D1 works.

Dam - Seems to be like his D1 last game when he was town, could be more active though

BH - RNG was dumb but it worked out and mentioning how OO responded to it felt towny, Grak thinks he is town.

BS - Liked the early Bats trap

Oats - seemed genuinely frustrated with bats in a town way

Obi - good entry and asked good questions to formulate reads, seemed genuinely pissed off with HF attacking him.
Not happy with his reads of grak, HF and hope but I think he is just pissed off with grak and HF so OMGUS

Null

Hope - Didn't like his early play but seemed to have a good early read of lian.

HF - Think some of my town called him town, don't like that he has pushed on people I called town. Could be eager beaver, misguided town. Could be scum

Scum

OO - got caught with the RNG, awkward posted and fucked off

Lian - everyone is null, wanted to lynch dama/storr over OO.

Palmar - inactive, lazy, think his reads are false.








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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 21:38 GMT
#756
##vote ObviousOne
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 21:38 GMT
#757
##vote ObviousOne
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 07:56 GMT
#953
Alright caught up with the thread, I thought OO would have put up more of a vote than that.

First thing I am changing Palmar to town for now.
To me everyone who voted on obi is town, I don't think mafia had any chance of getting a counter wagon started so it made more sense to just stick on OO and try and gain credibility.

I thought Obi was scummy around the voting stage, he left his weird vote on HF, yeh we get it you are annoyed with him but like that amount of omgus is just bad for town.
He then tried to get something going on palmar but was then instantly like "oh only joking, lol lol"
Also seemed depressed after we lynched mafia but that may have been because it turns out HF is vig.

I know where I want to focus tomorrow but I think I will leave that till the day phase begins.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 08:13 GMT
#955
BH what happens if RNG lands on you?
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 14:46 GMT
#967
On October 08 2014 23:45 Holyflare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2014 17:17 Palmar wrote:
HF and Obi are the remaining mafia.


Probably the worst thing I've read in the thread.


He didn't actually read that entire part of the thread so you can't blame him too much
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 14:48 GMT
#968
On October 08 2014 23:41 Palmar wrote:
Slam are you town?


what a great question.



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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 14:52 GMT
#971
Well real vig will just shoot him if he is fake claiming
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 15:39 GMT
#995
On October 09 2014 00:37 Holyflare wrote:
No I'm pretty sure oo would tell people to bus him


On October 09 2014 00:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Working on it.

Even if you were my prime scumread, I'm not willing to put anyone on the OO wagon up for lynch tomorrow. I think the lynch group for day 2 should be apparent.


yeh HF is town

Obi probably scum
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 15:45 GMT
#998
On October 09 2014 00:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 00:39 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:37 Holyflare wrote:
No I'm pretty sure oo would tell people to bus him


On October 09 2014 00:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Working on it.

Even if you were my prime scumread, I'm not willing to put anyone on the OO wagon up for lynch tomorrow. I think the lynch group for day 2 should be apparent.


yeh HF is town

Obi probably scum


Explain your reasoning pls.


I gave reasons why you were scummy when I rejoined the thread, basically around the voting/post vote you looked really scummy.

And now you think that people who voted for OO are all clean and the vote is between BH,palmar , Grak and Storr?

The mafia would know OO is scummy so why would they switch off him, easier to stick there to gain credibility.
The fact you don't realise this really makes you scummy to me.

And the scummier you get the townier HF gets. Although this isn't the only reason I think he is town now.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 15:46 GMT
#999
BS not BH sorry.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 16:51 GMT
#1022
On October 09 2014 01:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 00:45 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:39 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:37 Holyflare wrote:
No I'm pretty sure oo would tell people to bus him


On October 09 2014 00:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Working on it.

Even if you were my prime scumread, I'm not willing to put anyone on the OO wagon up for lynch tomorrow. I think the lynch group for day 2 should be apparent.


yeh HF is town

Obi probably scum


Explain your reasoning pls.


I gave reasons why you were scummy when I rejoined the thread, basically around the voting/post vote you looked really scummy.

And now you think that people who voted for OO are all clean and the vote is between BH,palmar , Grak and Storr?

The mafia would know OO is scummy so why would they switch off him, easier to stick there to gain credibility.
The fact you don't realise this really makes you scummy to me.

And the scummier you get the townier HF gets. Although this isn't the only reason I think he is town now.


No, I thought the vote should have been between everyone off of the OO wagon. HF himself came in and stated that OO would basically tell people to bus him (which really is the most ridiculous thing in the world) which means that the most likely place to find mafia would still be on his bandwagon...Somehow.

And I never said the OO wagon was clean in the first place. I said that the best lynches would most likely be the ones off the bandwagon, and before then I even gave reasoning as to why I think HF could have motivation to kill OO as either alignment.

Alternatively, if mafia wouldn't switch off of OO, and I didn't vote OO, how does that make sense within the context of mafia voting OO to look town? Wouldn't that, by the virtue of your own heuristic, have made sense for me to just vote OO and look better instead of trying to go after someone that is supposedly "supertown" to you?

Right now, your entire perception of the game hinges on me being scum and throwing away my vote while mafia would just vote OO. That...Doesn't make sense. My current issues with your analysis:

1) It's superficial. Saying that the entire wagon on my is town because "you didn't think it could gain traction" is kind of dumb, especially when Palmar gave the exact same reasoning I did for staying off the OO wagon.

Alternatively, why is it that my omgus is bad for town? You can't just say something is "bad" without backing it up. Why do you think this? Is it because you're just classifying what my thought process was at the time or do you think I had legitimate reasons to think these things?

2) It's contradictory. If mafia couldn't get an alternative bandwagon going, what makes you think I was trying so hard to do so? What makes you think that my suggestion to CFD Palmar was a 100% serious suggestion rather than a joke? If I couldn't gain traction for it, which is what you supposedly think, then why is it that it has to be a serious attempt rather than what you think is an awkward backtrack?

The issue I have is that you're only looking at my actions one way. It looks really convenient that you think my entire wagon is town since mafia couldn't to get an alternative bandwagon going, but I'm scum because I tried to get an alternative bandwagon going. If anything you would think that my wagon was the alternative, so I don't understand where this thought process is coming from. Explain more pls.


Right but the names I listed are the people off of the OO wagon, so that is exactly who you want to lynch not sure why you are denying this fact.
Again I agree with the logic HF gave and the logic I put forward, I think scum lie in the OO vote and the fact you think mafia wouldn't vote on OO is just silly/scummy.

I think you tried to see how much support there was for a palmar lynch, your attempt at a bandwagon, and when you realised no one wanted it you backtracked.

honestly if you last minute switch to OO it really wouldn't put you as town because
a) it is right at the end and OO was going to be the lynch anyway
b)the only alternative was yourself

so my reasoning is not superficial at all. and it is not contradictory.

I also think it is a mafia play to just vote for someone who voted you and then just not shift at any point. it is like "I AM SO OUTRAGED". If your town then you are not being objective and are bad town, or you are scum. That is why excessive OMGUS is bad.







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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 17:24 GMT
#1038
On October 09 2014 02:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 01:51 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 01:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:45 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:39 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:37 Holyflare wrote:
No I'm pretty sure oo would tell people to bus him


On October 09 2014 00:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Working on it.

Even if you were my prime scumread, I'm not willing to put anyone on the OO wagon up for lynch tomorrow. I think the lynch group for day 2 should be apparent.


yeh HF is town

Obi probably scum


Explain your reasoning pls.


I gave reasons why you were scummy when I rejoined the thread, basically around the voting/post vote you looked really scummy.

And now you think that people who voted for OO are all clean and the vote is between BH,palmar , Grak and Storr?

The mafia would know OO is scummy so why would they switch off him, easier to stick there to gain credibility.
The fact you don't realise this really makes you scummy to me.

And the scummier you get the townier HF gets. Although this isn't the only reason I think he is town now.


No, I thought the vote should have been between everyone off of the OO wagon. HF himself came in and stated that OO would basically tell people to bus him (which really is the most ridiculous thing in the world) which means that the most likely place to find mafia would still be on his bandwagon...Somehow.

And I never said the OO wagon was clean in the first place. I said that the best lynches would most likely be the ones off the bandwagon, and before then I even gave reasoning as to why I think HF could have motivation to kill OO as either alignment.

Alternatively, if mafia wouldn't switch off of OO, and I didn't vote OO, how does that make sense within the context of mafia voting OO to look town? Wouldn't that, by the virtue of your own heuristic, have made sense for me to just vote OO and look better instead of trying to go after someone that is supposedly "supertown" to you?

Right now, your entire perception of the game hinges on me being scum and throwing away my vote while mafia would just vote OO. That...Doesn't make sense. My current issues with your analysis:

1) It's superficial. Saying that the entire wagon on my is town because "you didn't think it could gain traction" is kind of dumb, especially when Palmar gave the exact same reasoning I did for staying off the OO wagon.

Alternatively, why is it that my omgus is bad for town? You can't just say something is "bad" without backing it up. Why do you think this? Is it because you're just classifying what my thought process was at the time or do you think I had legitimate reasons to think these things?

2) It's contradictory. If mafia couldn't get an alternative bandwagon going, what makes you think I was trying so hard to do so? What makes you think that my suggestion to CFD Palmar was a 100% serious suggestion rather than a joke? If I couldn't gain traction for it, which is what you supposedly think, then why is it that it has to be a serious attempt rather than what you think is an awkward backtrack?

The issue I have is that you're only looking at my actions one way. It looks really convenient that you think my entire wagon is town since mafia couldn't to get an alternative bandwagon going, but I'm scum because I tried to get an alternative bandwagon going. If anything you would think that my wagon was the alternative, so I don't understand where this thought process is coming from. Explain more pls.


Right but the names I listed are the people off of the OO wagon, so that is exactly who you want to lynch not sure why you are denying this fact.
Again I agree with the logic HF gave and the logic I put forward, I think scum lie in the OO vote and the fact you think mafia wouldn't vote on OO is just silly/scummy.

I think you tried to see how much support there was for a palmar lynch, your attempt at a bandwagon, and when you realised no one wanted it you backtracked.

honestly if you last minute switch to OO it really wouldn't put you as town because
a) it is right at the end and OO was going to be the lynch anyway
b) the only alternative was yourself

so my reasoning is not superficial at all. and it is not contradictory.

I also think it is a mafia play to just vote for someone who voted you and then just not shift at any point. it is like "I AM SO OUTRAGED". If your town then you are not being objective and are bad town, or you are scum. That is why excessive OMGUS is bad.


All of this analysis is opinion. You're not taking any of the progression of my reads into account, nor are you accepting that there can be any town motivation for my actions.

If there is a reasonable explanation for my actions, which I felt to have explained adequately, accept the fact that you might be wrong instead of posting analysis based on "what you think" my actions resulted from.


what read progression? you thought hf was mafia and still think he is mafia right. I don't really like you thinking hope is top town. If you have other reads can you quote them for me.

I don't see a town motivation and I really don't think your explanation is good enough for me.

give me a reason why storr,grack,bs or palmar is a better lynch than you.
Zerg for Life
KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 17:24 GMT
#1039
On October 09 2014 01:49 Holyflare wrote:
btw bh is also mafia


this is the second stupidest thing in the thread.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 17:27 GMT
#1043
On October 09 2014 02:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 02:24 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 01:51 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 01:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:45 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:39 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:37 Holyflare wrote:
No I'm pretty sure oo would tell people to bus him


On October 09 2014 00:36 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Working on it.

Even if you were my prime scumread, I'm not willing to put anyone on the OO wagon up for lynch tomorrow. I think the lynch group for day 2 should be apparent.


yeh HF is town

Obi probably scum


Explain your reasoning pls.


I gave reasons why you were scummy when I rejoined the thread, basically around the voting/post vote you looked really scummy.

And now you think that people who voted for OO are all clean and the vote is between BH,palmar , Grak and Storr?

The mafia would know OO is scummy so why would they switch off him, easier to stick there to gain credibility.
The fact you don't realise this really makes you scummy to me.

And the scummier you get the townier HF gets. Although this isn't the only reason I think he is town now.


No, I thought the vote should have been between everyone off of the OO wagon. HF himself came in and stated that OO would basically tell people to bus him (which really is the most ridiculous thing in the world) which means that the most likely place to find mafia would still be on his bandwagon...Somehow.

And I never said the OO wagon was clean in the first place. I said that the best lynches would most likely be the ones off the bandwagon, and before then I even gave reasoning as to why I think HF could have motivation to kill OO as either alignment.

Alternatively, if mafia wouldn't switch off of OO, and I didn't vote OO, how does that make sense within the context of mafia voting OO to look town? Wouldn't that, by the virtue of your own heuristic, have made sense for me to just vote OO and look better instead of trying to go after someone that is supposedly "supertown" to you?

Right now, your entire perception of the game hinges on me being scum and throwing away my vote while mafia would just vote OO. That...Doesn't make sense. My current issues with your analysis:

1) It's superficial. Saying that the entire wagon on my is town because "you didn't think it could gain traction" is kind of dumb, especially when Palmar gave the exact same reasoning I did for staying off the OO wagon.

Alternatively, why is it that my omgus is bad for town? You can't just say something is "bad" without backing it up. Why do you think this? Is it because you're just classifying what my thought process was at the time or do you think I had legitimate reasons to think these things?

2) It's contradictory. If mafia couldn't get an alternative bandwagon going, what makes you think I was trying so hard to do so? What makes you think that my suggestion to CFD Palmar was a 100% serious suggestion rather than a joke? If I couldn't gain traction for it, which is what you supposedly think, then why is it that it has to be a serious attempt rather than what you think is an awkward backtrack?

The issue I have is that you're only looking at my actions one way. It looks really convenient that you think my entire wagon is town since mafia couldn't to get an alternative bandwagon going, but I'm scum because I tried to get an alternative bandwagon going. If anything you would think that my wagon was the alternative, so I don't understand where this thought process is coming from. Explain more pls.


Right but the names I listed are the people off of the OO wagon, so that is exactly who you want to lynch not sure why you are denying this fact.
Again I agree with the logic HF gave and the logic I put forward, I think scum lie in the OO vote and the fact you think mafia wouldn't vote on OO is just silly/scummy.

I think you tried to see how much support there was for a palmar lynch, your attempt at a bandwagon, and when you realised no one wanted it you backtracked.

honestly if you last minute switch to OO it really wouldn't put you as town because
a) it is right at the end and OO was going to be the lynch anyway
b) the only alternative was yourself

so my reasoning is not superficial at all. and it is not contradictory.

I also think it is a mafia play to just vote for someone who voted you and then just not shift at any point. it is like "I AM SO OUTRAGED". If your town then you are not being objective and are bad town, or you are scum. That is why excessive OMGUS is bad.


All of this analysis is opinion. You're not taking any of the progression of my reads into account, nor are you accepting that there can be any town motivation for my actions.

If there is a reasonable explanation for my actions, which I felt to have explained adequately, accept the fact that you might be wrong instead of posting analysis based on "what you think" my actions resulted from.


what read progression? you thought hf was mafia and still think he is mafia right. I don't really like you thinking hope is top town. If you have other reads can you quote them for me.

I don't see a town motivation and I really don't think your explanation is good enough for me.

give me a reason why storr,grack,bs or palmar is a better lynch than you.


Because I am town and they are not me.

Qed.


ugh

I meant give me something that makes them scum.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 17:34 GMT
#1048
On October 09 2014 02:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 02:27 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:24 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 01:51 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 01:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:45 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:39 KelsierSC wrote:
[quote]

[quote]

yeh HF is town

Obi probably scum


Explain your reasoning pls.


I gave reasons why you were scummy when I rejoined the thread, basically around the voting/post vote you looked really scummy.

And now you think that people who voted for OO are all clean and the vote is between BH,palmar , Grak and Storr?

The mafia would know OO is scummy so why would they switch off him, easier to stick there to gain credibility.
The fact you don't realise this really makes you scummy to me.

And the scummier you get the townier HF gets. Although this isn't the only reason I think he is town now.


No, I thought the vote should have been between everyone off of the OO wagon. HF himself came in and stated that OO would basically tell people to bus him (which really is the most ridiculous thing in the world) which means that the most likely place to find mafia would still be on his bandwagon...Somehow.

And I never said the OO wagon was clean in the first place. I said that the best lynches would most likely be the ones off the bandwagon, and before then I even gave reasoning as to why I think HF could have motivation to kill OO as either alignment.

Alternatively, if mafia wouldn't switch off of OO, and I didn't vote OO, how does that make sense within the context of mafia voting OO to look town? Wouldn't that, by the virtue of your own heuristic, have made sense for me to just vote OO and look better instead of trying to go after someone that is supposedly "supertown" to you?

Right now, your entire perception of the game hinges on me being scum and throwing away my vote while mafia would just vote OO. That...Doesn't make sense. My current issues with your analysis:

1) It's superficial. Saying that the entire wagon on my is town because "you didn't think it could gain traction" is kind of dumb, especially when Palmar gave the exact same reasoning I did for staying off the OO wagon.

Alternatively, why is it that my omgus is bad for town? You can't just say something is "bad" without backing it up. Why do you think this? Is it because you're just classifying what my thought process was at the time or do you think I had legitimate reasons to think these things?

2) It's contradictory. If mafia couldn't get an alternative bandwagon going, what makes you think I was trying so hard to do so? What makes you think that my suggestion to CFD Palmar was a 100% serious suggestion rather than a joke? If I couldn't gain traction for it, which is what you supposedly think, then why is it that it has to be a serious attempt rather than what you think is an awkward backtrack?

The issue I have is that you're only looking at my actions one way. It looks really convenient that you think my entire wagon is town since mafia couldn't to get an alternative bandwagon going, but I'm scum because I tried to get an alternative bandwagon going. If anything you would think that my wagon was the alternative, so I don't understand where this thought process is coming from. Explain more pls.


Right but the names I listed are the people off of the OO wagon, so that is exactly who you want to lynch not sure why you are denying this fact.
Again I agree with the logic HF gave and the logic I put forward, I think scum lie in the OO vote and the fact you think mafia wouldn't vote on OO is just silly/scummy.

I think you tried to see how much support there was for a palmar lynch, your attempt at a bandwagon, and when you realised no one wanted it you backtracked.

honestly if you last minute switch to OO it really wouldn't put you as town because
a) it is right at the end and OO was going to be the lynch anyway
b) the only alternative was yourself

so my reasoning is not superficial at all. and it is not contradictory.

I also think it is a mafia play to just vote for someone who voted you and then just not shift at any point. it is like "I AM SO OUTRAGED". If your town then you are not being objective and are bad town, or you are scum. That is why excessive OMGUS is bad.


All of this analysis is opinion. You're not taking any of the progression of my reads into account, nor are you accepting that there can be any town motivation for my actions.

If there is a reasonable explanation for my actions, which I felt to have explained adequately, accept the fact that you might be wrong instead of posting analysis based on "what you think" my actions resulted from.


what read progression? you thought hf was mafia and still think he is mafia right. I don't really like you thinking hope is top town. If you have other reads can you quote them for me.

I don't see a town motivation and I really don't think your explanation is good enough for me.

give me a reason why storr,grack,bs or palmar is a better lynch than you.


Because I am town and they are not me.

Qed.


ugh

I meant give me something that makes them scum.


I would if I could. A majority of them are coasting/lurking right now and it makes it hard to read them explicitly.

Same advice to Damdred goes to you, naturally.


So you want to lynch them but you can't find anything that makes them scummy.


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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 17:40 GMT
#1056
On October 09 2014 02:38 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 02:34 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:31 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:27 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:26 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:24 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 02:01 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 01:51 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 09 2014 01:05 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
On October 09 2014 00:45 KelsierSC wrote:
[quote]

I gave reasons why you were scummy when I rejoined the thread, basically around the voting/post vote you looked really scummy.

And now you think that people who voted for OO are all clean and the vote is between BH,palmar , Grak and Storr?

The mafia would know OO is scummy so why would they switch off him, easier to stick there to gain credibility.
The fact you don't realise this really makes you scummy to me.

And the scummier you get the townier HF gets. Although this isn't the only reason I think he is town now.


No, I thought the vote should have been between everyone off of the OO wagon. HF himself came in and stated that OO would basically tell people to bus him (which really is the most ridiculous thing in the world) which means that the most likely place to find mafia would still be on his bandwagon...Somehow.

And I never said the OO wagon was clean in the first place. I said that the best lynches would most likely be the ones off the bandwagon, and before then I even gave reasoning as to why I think HF could have motivation to kill OO as either alignment.

Alternatively, if mafia wouldn't switch off of OO, and I didn't vote OO, how does that make sense within the context of mafia voting OO to look town? Wouldn't that, by the virtue of your own heuristic, have made sense for me to just vote OO and look better instead of trying to go after someone that is supposedly "supertown" to you?

Right now, your entire perception of the game hinges on me being scum and throwing away my vote while mafia would just vote OO. That...Doesn't make sense. My current issues with your analysis:

1) It's superficial. Saying that the entire wagon on my is town because "you didn't think it could gain traction" is kind of dumb, especially when Palmar gave the exact same reasoning I did for staying off the OO wagon.

Alternatively, why is it that my omgus is bad for town? You can't just say something is "bad" without backing it up. Why do you think this? Is it because you're just classifying what my thought process was at the time or do you think I had legitimate reasons to think these things?

2) It's contradictory. If mafia couldn't get an alternative bandwagon going, what makes you think I was trying so hard to do so? What makes you think that my suggestion to CFD Palmar was a 100% serious suggestion rather than a joke? If I couldn't gain traction for it, which is what you supposedly think, then why is it that it has to be a serious attempt rather than what you think is an awkward backtrack?

The issue I have is that you're only looking at my actions one way. It looks really convenient that you think my entire wagon is town since mafia couldn't to get an alternative bandwagon going, but I'm scum because I tried to get an alternative bandwagon going. If anything you would think that my wagon was the alternative, so I don't understand where this thought process is coming from. Explain more pls.


Right but the names I listed are the people off of the OO wagon, so that is exactly who you want to lynch not sure why you are denying this fact.
Again I agree with the logic HF gave and the logic I put forward, I think scum lie in the OO vote and the fact you think mafia wouldn't vote on OO is just silly/scummy.

I think you tried to see how much support there was for a palmar lynch, your attempt at a bandwagon, and when you realised no one wanted it you backtracked.

honestly if you last minute switch to OO it really wouldn't put you as town because
a) it is right at the end and OO was going to be the lynch anyway
b) the only alternative was yourself

so my reasoning is not superficial at all. and it is not contradictory.

I also think it is a mafia play to just vote for someone who voted you and then just not shift at any point. it is like "I AM SO OUTRAGED". If your town then you are not being objective and are bad town, or you are scum. That is why excessive OMGUS is bad.


All of this analysis is opinion. You're not taking any of the progression of my reads into account, nor are you accepting that there can be any town motivation for my actions.

If there is a reasonable explanation for my actions, which I felt to have explained adequately, accept the fact that you might be wrong instead of posting analysis based on "what you think" my actions resulted from.


what read progression? you thought hf was mafia and still think he is mafia right. I don't really like you thinking hope is top town. If you have other reads can you quote them for me.

I don't see a town motivation and I really don't think your explanation is good enough for me.

give me a reason why storr,grack,bs or palmar is a better lynch than you.


Because I am town and they are not me.

Qed.


ugh

I meant give me something that makes them scum.


I would if I could. A majority of them are coasting/lurking right now and it makes it hard to read them explicitly.

Same advice to Damdred goes to you, naturally.


So you want to lynch them but you can't find anything that makes them scummy.


I can't find anything that makes them anything.


Right that is the whole fucking deal you say we need to lynch them but you can't even say why.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 17:42 GMT
#1059
On October 09 2014 02:38 Holyflare wrote:
Obvious One (8): Blazinghand, Alakaslam, Hopeless1der, Holyflare, Oatsmaster, liancourt, KelsierSC, Damdred


highly likely there is 1 mafia in this group of people, if i remove my town reads it becomes

Obvious One (8): Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, liancourt, KelsierSC, Damdred

could probably remove kelsier maybe, which leaves

Obvious One (8): Alakaslam, Oatsmaster, liancourt, Damdred


super lazy analysis will occur at some point on these 4


Yeh good list, how come you are town reading hope?



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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 08 2014 17:45 GMT
#1062
yeh i'm pretty convinced hf is town now
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