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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 07:22 GMT
#518
On October 07 2014 16:22 Alakaslam wrote:
What about ObiWanShinobi changing his story


can you quote that
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 07:33 GMT
#524
On October 07 2014 16:28 Oatsmaster wrote:
like this bit right?
Show nested quote +
I think Obi is quite clearly town, Since he got in the game he has been active and questioning Dama and Lian seems like the correct angle as both appear a bit scummy ( I read Dam as town but that is because I played with him before)
he seems to be reading the game the same way as me. Doesn't like the RNG nonsense and wants town to discuss something else. He seems genuinely pissed off with HF voting him out the blue.

How has he been questioning damdred and lian?
How is disliking the RNG nonsense townie?
How is he pissed off?
And how does this come together to make him totally totally town?
What do you disagree with HF/Grack?


it is in his filter on like page 1 he enters the thread and questions dam and lian, then HF comes in and attacks him.

I think if you dislike something that is anti town. it probably makes you town. Also he could have felt the BH discussion was going nowhere and wanted to move on. He probably has more experience with it than I do.

He seemed pretty pissed off with hf in the discussion, seemed like genuine frustration.

To me that is 3 good reasons for him being town, considering it is d1 he has done enough to get a town read off me.

Obviously I disagree, why ask me that question?
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 07:36 GMT
#526
On October 07 2014 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 16:17 KelsierSC wrote:
Just to update on HF.

I think his interaction with obi makes him scummy.

Firstly he asked "when are you going to do something" when it seems to me that obi was asking questions and trying to get things done. Then he just votes him out of the blue for the reason of "filter"...ok that is just a terrible explanation. if you are going to vote on someone at least accuse them of something scummy.
Then it turns out his huge reason is because obi hasn't called anyone town or scum instantly . It is reasonable that obi has reads but didn't want to give them yet or he was getting his reads based on questioning dam/lia.
Just felt like HF called him scum and then had to find a reason for it.

clearly you arent reading hard enough. HF gave a fine explanation and even explained why he said "filter" in the first place.

And you dont understand the reasoning behind HF's case.
HF is saying that Obi keeps complaining about there not being content but Obi isnt doing anything to create content. No analysis. No reread then some new insight. Just chitchatting with Damdred.

Obi doesnt even use the defense that you proposed which means its clearly not what Obi was doing.

Therefore you're townread on him is bad and that means you are scum.
##vote KelsierSC


Clearly you arent reading hard enough, where did he give an explanation before he said filter. he just voted and said "reason filter"
It seemed to me that obi was trying to create content and asking questions of dama and lian and trying to stop the RNG discussion, then HF just went after him.
My town read of him is actually pretty good I have solid reasons for it.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 07:42 GMT
#528
On October 07 2014 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 16:17 KelsierSC wrote:
Just to update on HF.

I think his interaction with obi makes him scummy.

Firstly he asked "when are you going to do something" when it seems to me that obi was asking questions and trying to get things done. Then he just votes him out of the blue for the reason of "filter"...ok that is just a terrible explanation. if you are going to vote on someone at least accuse them of something scummy.
Then it turns out his huge reason is because obi hasn't called anyone town or scum instantly . It is reasonable that obi has reads but didn't want to give them yet or he was getting his reads based on questioning dam/lia.
Just felt like HF called him scum and then had to find a reason for it.

clearly you arent reading hard enough. HF gave a fine explanation and even explained why he said "filter" in the first place.

And you dont understand the reasoning behind HF's case.
HF is saying that Obi keeps complaining about there not being content but Obi isnt doing anything to create content. No analysis. No reread then some new insight. Just chitchatting with Damdred.

Obi doesnt even use the defense that you proposed which means its clearly not what Obi was doing.

Therefore you're townread on him is bad and that means you are scum.
##vote KelsierSC


One of the main points of HF's attack is that Obi didn't give his reads immediately. I am saying that doesn't make him scummy as people could want to hold back their reads for a time or they haven't formulated them.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 07:56 GMT
#533
On October 07 2014 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 16:42 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:17 KelsierSC wrote:
Just to update on HF.

I think his interaction with obi makes him scummy.

Firstly he asked "when are you going to do something" when it seems to me that obi was asking questions and trying to get things done. Then he just votes him out of the blue for the reason of "filter"...ok that is just a terrible explanation. if you are going to vote on someone at least accuse them of something scummy.
Then it turns out his huge reason is because obi hasn't called anyone town or scum instantly . It is reasonable that obi has reads but didn't want to give them yet or he was getting his reads based on questioning dam/lia.
Just felt like HF called him scum and then had to find a reason for it.

clearly you arent reading hard enough. HF gave a fine explanation and even explained why he said "filter" in the first place.

And you dont understand the reasoning behind HF's case.
HF is saying that Obi keeps complaining about there not being content but Obi isnt doing anything to create content. No analysis. No reread then some new insight. Just chitchatting with Damdred.

Obi doesnt even use the defense that you proposed which means its clearly not what Obi was doing.

Therefore you're townread on him is bad and that means you are scum.
##vote KelsierSC


One of the main points of HF's attack is that Obi didn't give his reads immediately. I am saying that doesn't make him scummy as people could want to hold back their reads for a time or they haven't formulated them.

How is not having reads not scummy?
And if he was holding it back intentionally, why didnt he say so at ANY POINT??

Where are these reads by Obi btw, I didnt see anything decent.


God I have said this before. He could be formulating his reads or be holding them for a time until he re read the whole thread.. Maybe that is his playstyle who knows. Just saying It was too soon to call him scummy. It seemed to me like he was trying to get a read and then HF stormed in and said "YOU DIDNT GIVE READS IMMEDIATELY YOU ARE MAFIA"

He did give grak a town read , but he also said he hadn't finished rereading so he will have more when he returns.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 08:04 GMT
#535
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?

You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now?
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 08:12 GMT
#536
Hmm I'm starting to think that HF might just be eager beaver town.

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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 08:15 GMT
#538
To explain, I don't really like some of the things he did. Mostly the "vote obi reason filter" and I don't like the vote on oats but that is because I don't like early voting in general but if it is his tool to generate discussion then that is ok.

He has been really active and has one of the longest..filters and he has been in peoples face with oats,dama,obi which is a playstlye i like.Plus his reasons for obi are supportable, so i mean his reasons are wrong but he can back up a reason with quotes etc. he isnt just making them up

I think I like his playstyle, I just think his targets and reasons are wrong.

hf - eager town
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 09:11 GMT
#545
On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?

You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now?


At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also.

Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null.

And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting.

We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread.

The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this.

Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles.

Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats.

I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing.

Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this.





Think I agree with you on most of this apart from Grack who I think is town rather than null/scum

What do you mean by BH post's seem legit?
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 09:17 GMT
#546
On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:


I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing.







So I don't really like this point actually. Firstly I give Damd a town read, like I remember his playstyle from last game and he is acting exactly the same when he was town. Also saying storr hasn't done anything isn't true, I have a memory of him pressuring you actually.
But like I don't really agree with the 3 people who aren't talking are the scum. In your reads through everyone is "iffy" or "strange" and you want to lynch the people not talking.
Why is storr or Damd a better lynch than OO for example?
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 09:21 GMT
#548
On October 07 2014 18:19 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 18:11 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 18:00 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 17:04 KelsierSC wrote:
Lian who are your mafia at the moment?

You said people were overreacting and iffy but do you have any people you would lynch right now?


At first I was thinking of BH because of his RNG but then obi and slam says it's his original playstyle so I'm a bit reluctant to think of him as scum and BH's posts seem legit also.

Then there's grack who voted for OO. Following a random vote in my eyes is pretty scummy to me, but then he switched votes so I'm back to null.

And then you have obi and HF. HF does have valid points and I think obi is just voting HF just because HF is voting for him. In my eyes it's two townies fighting.

We have the overreacting oats I town read him earlier if i recall correctly due to his reactions in the earlier part of the thread.

The iffy hopeless, I haven't been paying attention to his posts for some reason so I need to see his filter. I'll come back on this.

Although I hate to admit it OO does seem strange the way he was reacting. It'd mean I'd have to vote for a random vote which I'm reluctant in doing so because it'd go against my principles.

Bats the trapper seems pretty townie to me deducing from his earlier interactions with oats.

I think this leaves damd, palmar and storr? Damd is asking questions here and there kind of like an out fighter not giving away too much. Palmar and storr haven't really done anything worth mentioning. So assuming there's 3 scum I'd pick these three. But I'll wait until tomorrow until they post to be sure. Maybe they'll bring in some fresh content that we're missing.

Lastly there's you, I also need to look at your filter so I'll comeback on this.





Think I agree with you on most of this apart from Grack who I think is town rather than null/scum

What do you mean by BH post's seem legit?


meaning it seems genuine and townie. It looked like he was actually trying to do something instead of post fluff.


To me it seemed like "RNG" "RNG" "Vote this guy" "you guys are all stupid not to vote my random person"
You seemed to be critical of it along with me so I really want to know what he was trying to do and what was townie about it.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 10:11 GMT
#554
On October 07 2014 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 16:56 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:42 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:17 KelsierSC wrote:
Just to update on HF.

I think his interaction with obi makes him scummy.

Firstly he asked "when are you going to do something" when it seems to me that obi was asking questions and trying to get things done. Then he just votes him out of the blue for the reason of "filter"...ok that is just a terrible explanation. if you are going to vote on someone at least accuse them of something scummy.
Then it turns out his huge reason is because obi hasn't called anyone town or scum instantly . It is reasonable that obi has reads but didn't want to give them yet or he was getting his reads based on questioning dam/lia.
Just felt like HF called him scum and then had to find a reason for it.

clearly you arent reading hard enough. HF gave a fine explanation and even explained why he said "filter" in the first place.

And you dont understand the reasoning behind HF's case.
HF is saying that Obi keeps complaining about there not being content but Obi isnt doing anything to create content. No analysis. No reread then some new insight. Just chitchatting with Damdred.

Obi doesnt even use the defense that you proposed which means its clearly not what Obi was doing.

Therefore you're townread on him is bad and that means you are scum.
##vote KelsierSC


One of the main points of HF's attack is that Obi didn't give his reads immediately. I am saying that doesn't make him scummy as people could want to hold back their reads for a time or they haven't formulated them.

How is not having reads not scummy?
And if he was holding it back intentionally, why didnt he say so at ANY POINT??

Where are these reads by Obi btw, I didnt see anything decent.


God I have said this before. He could be formulating his reads or be holding them for a time until he re read the whole thread.. Maybe that is his playstyle who knows. Just saying It was too soon to call him scummy. It seemed to me like he was trying to get a read and then HF stormed in and said "YOU DIDNT GIVE READS IMMEDIATELY YOU ARE MAFIA"

He did give grak a town read , but he also said he hadn't finished rereading so he will have more when he returns.

HE NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS HOLDING BACK READS OR FORMULATING THEM.
WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT?



I never assumed that, my point is that not giving your reads immediately doesn't make you scummy.

thanks for the all caps though it makes things really large
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 10:18 GMT
#555
On October 07 2014 18:34 liancourt wrote:

See i don't like this "well last game blah blah blah..." I can't emphathize with you if you use this kind of logic.


I use this logic if I have played with that person before.



I don't think I ever said storr and damd were a better lynch than OO. I said I was reluctant on OO because it would mean following the random vote which I'm kinda against. I can still wait on more info on storr and damd before i make my final decison so it's ok.


well what you said is that your 3 would be storr, damd and palmer.

Even though OO has been scummier and storr/damd have contributed more than him.

this means you would lynch storr/damd over OO by your reasoning right.

I don't know, I just think you don't want to vote OO just because it is a random vote but he is acting scummy as fuck and that is a good reason to lynch him over others. so using "oh it was random" at this point is kind of a weak defence. I would happily lynch OO right now tbh.


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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 10:22 GMT
#558
On October 07 2014 19:22 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 19:11 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:56 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:42 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:17 KelsierSC wrote:
Just to update on HF.

I think his interaction with obi makes him scummy.

Firstly he asked "when are you going to do something" when it seems to me that obi was asking questions and trying to get things done. Then he just votes him out of the blue for the reason of "filter"...ok that is just a terrible explanation. if you are going to vote on someone at least accuse them of something scummy.
Then it turns out his huge reason is because obi hasn't called anyone town or scum instantly . It is reasonable that obi has reads but didn't want to give them yet or he was getting his reads based on questioning dam/lia.
Just felt like HF called him scum and then had to find a reason for it.

clearly you arent reading hard enough. HF gave a fine explanation and even explained why he said "filter" in the first place.

And you dont understand the reasoning behind HF's case.
HF is saying that Obi keeps complaining about there not being content but Obi isnt doing anything to create content. No analysis. No reread then some new insight. Just chitchatting with Damdred.

Obi doesnt even use the defense that you proposed which means its clearly not what Obi was doing.

Therefore you're townread on him is bad and that means you are scum.
##vote KelsierSC


One of the main points of HF's attack is that Obi didn't give his reads immediately. I am saying that doesn't make him scummy as people could want to hold back their reads for a time or they haven't formulated them.

How is not having reads not scummy?
And if he was holding it back intentionally, why didnt he say so at ANY POINT??

Where are these reads by Obi btw, I didnt see anything decent.


God I have said this before. He could be formulating his reads or be holding them for a time until he re read the whole thread.. Maybe that is his playstyle who knows. Just saying It was too soon to call him scummy. It seemed to me like he was trying to get a read and then HF stormed in and said "YOU DIDNT GIVE READS IMMEDIATELY YOU ARE MAFIA"

He did give grak a town read , but he also said he hadn't finished rereading so he will have more when he returns.

HE NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS HOLDING BACK READS OR FORMULATING THEM.
WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT?



I never assumed that, my point is that not giving your reads immediately doesn't make you scummy.

thanks for the all caps though it makes things really large


so giving reads immediately is scummy?


no not at all.


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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 10:25 GMT
#559
On October 07 2014 19:22 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 19:11 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:56 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:42 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:17 KelsierSC wrote:
Just to update on HF.

I think his interaction with obi makes him scummy.

Firstly he asked "when are you going to do something" when it seems to me that obi was asking questions and trying to get things done. Then he just votes him out of the blue for the reason of "filter"...ok that is just a terrible explanation. if you are going to vote on someone at least accuse them of something scummy.
Then it turns out his huge reason is because obi hasn't called anyone town or scum instantly . It is reasonable that obi has reads but didn't want to give them yet or he was getting his reads based on questioning dam/lia.
Just felt like HF called him scum and then had to find a reason for it.

clearly you arent reading hard enough. HF gave a fine explanation and even explained why he said "filter" in the first place.

And you dont understand the reasoning behind HF's case.
HF is saying that Obi keeps complaining about there not being content but Obi isnt doing anything to create content. No analysis. No reread then some new insight. Just chitchatting with Damdred.

Obi doesnt even use the defense that you proposed which means its clearly not what Obi was doing.

Therefore you're townread on him is bad and that means you are scum.
##vote KelsierSC


One of the main points of HF's attack is that Obi didn't give his reads immediately. I am saying that doesn't make him scummy as people could want to hold back their reads for a time or they haven't formulated them.

How is not having reads not scummy?
And if he was holding it back intentionally, why didnt he say so at ANY POINT??

Where are these reads by Obi btw, I didnt see anything decent.


God I have said this before. He could be formulating his reads or be holding them for a time until he re read the whole thread.. Maybe that is his playstyle who knows. Just saying It was too soon to call him scummy. It seemed to me like he was trying to get a read and then HF stormed in and said "YOU DIDNT GIVE READS IMMEDIATELY YOU ARE MAFIA"

He did give grak a town read , but he also said he hadn't finished rereading so he will have more when he returns.

HE NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS HOLDING BACK READS OR FORMULATING THEM.
WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT?



I never assumed that, my point is that not giving your reads immediately doesn't make you scummy.

thanks for the all caps though it makes things really large


so giving reads immediately is scummy?


It depends on the quality of the read and how it fits with the rest of the thread.

If the thread is in one direction and out of the blue you say "this random guy is mafia because i did an RNG" I think that is a bad read and a scummy thing to do imo.

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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 10:30 GMT
#562
On October 07 2014 19:29 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 19:22 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 19:22 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 19:11 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:56 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:42 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:17 KelsierSC wrote:
Just to update on HF.

I think his interaction with obi makes him scummy.

Firstly he asked "when are you going to do something" when it seems to me that obi was asking questions and trying to get things done. Then he just votes him out of the blue for the reason of "filter"...ok that is just a terrible explanation. if you are going to vote on someone at least accuse them of something scummy.
Then it turns out his huge reason is because obi hasn't called anyone town or scum instantly . It is reasonable that obi has reads but didn't want to give them yet or he was getting his reads based on questioning dam/lia.
Just felt like HF called him scum and then had to find a reason for it.

clearly you arent reading hard enough. HF gave a fine explanation and even explained why he said "filter" in the first place.

And you dont understand the reasoning behind HF's case.
HF is saying that Obi keeps complaining about there not being content but Obi isnt doing anything to create content. No analysis. No reread then some new insight. Just chitchatting with Damdred.

Obi doesnt even use the defense that you proposed which means its clearly not what Obi was doing.

Therefore you're townread on him is bad and that means you are scum.
##vote KelsierSC


One of the main points of HF's attack is that Obi didn't give his reads immediately. I am saying that doesn't make him scummy as people could want to hold back their reads for a time or they haven't formulated them.

How is not having reads not scummy?
And if he was holding it back intentionally, why didnt he say so at ANY POINT??

Where are these reads by Obi btw, I didnt see anything decent.


God I have said this before. He could be formulating his reads or be holding them for a time until he re read the whole thread.. Maybe that is his playstyle who knows. Just saying It was too soon to call him scummy. It seemed to me like he was trying to get a read and then HF stormed in and said "YOU DIDNT GIVE READS IMMEDIATELY YOU ARE MAFIA"

He did give grak a town read , but he also said he hadn't finished rereading so he will have more when he returns.

HE NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS HOLDING BACK READS OR FORMULATING THEM.
WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT?



I never assumed that, my point is that not giving your reads immediately doesn't make you scummy.

thanks for the all caps though it makes things really large


so giving reads immediately is scummy?


no not at all.




then what does that double negative mean?


it is not scummy to give a read immediately

it is not scummy to not give a read immediately.

It is more about the quality and relevance of the read.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 10:36 GMT
#564
On October 07 2014 19:32 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 19:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 19:22 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 19:11 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:56 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:42 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:17 KelsierSC wrote:
Just to update on HF.

I think his interaction with obi makes him scummy.

Firstly he asked "when are you going to do something" when it seems to me that obi was asking questions and trying to get things done. Then he just votes him out of the blue for the reason of "filter"...ok that is just a terrible explanation. if you are going to vote on someone at least accuse them of something scummy.
Then it turns out his huge reason is because obi hasn't called anyone town or scum instantly . It is reasonable that obi has reads but didn't want to give them yet or he was getting his reads based on questioning dam/lia.
Just felt like HF called him scum and then had to find a reason for it.

clearly you arent reading hard enough. HF gave a fine explanation and even explained why he said "filter" in the first place.

And you dont understand the reasoning behind HF's case.
HF is saying that Obi keeps complaining about there not being content but Obi isnt doing anything to create content. No analysis. No reread then some new insight. Just chitchatting with Damdred.

Obi doesnt even use the defense that you proposed which means its clearly not what Obi was doing.

Therefore you're townread on him is bad and that means you are scum.
##vote KelsierSC


One of the main points of HF's attack is that Obi didn't give his reads immediately. I am saying that doesn't make him scummy as people could want to hold back their reads for a time or they haven't formulated them.

How is not having reads not scummy?
And if he was holding it back intentionally, why didnt he say so at ANY POINT??

Where are these reads by Obi btw, I didnt see anything decent.


God I have said this before. He could be formulating his reads or be holding them for a time until he re read the whole thread.. Maybe that is his playstyle who knows. Just saying It was too soon to call him scummy. It seemed to me like he was trying to get a read and then HF stormed in and said "YOU DIDNT GIVE READS IMMEDIATELY YOU ARE MAFIA"

He did give grak a town read , but he also said he hadn't finished rereading so he will have more when he returns.

HE NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS HOLDING BACK READS OR FORMULATING THEM.
WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT?



I never assumed that, my point is that not giving your reads immediately doesn't make you scummy.

thanks for the all caps though it makes things really large


so giving reads immediately is scummy?


It depends on the quality of the read and how it fits with the rest of the thread.

If the thread is in one direction and out of the blue you say "this random guy is mafia because i did an RNG" I think that is a bad read and a scummy thing to do imo.



So let me get this straight you're scrutinizing me over why I'm not lynching OO who was random voted by BH who you think is scummy


yep
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 10:41 GMT
#566
On October 07 2014 19:32 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 19:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 19:22 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 19:11 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:56 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:42 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:30 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:17 KelsierSC wrote:
Just to update on HF.

I think his interaction with obi makes him scummy.

Firstly he asked "when are you going to do something" when it seems to me that obi was asking questions and trying to get things done. Then he just votes him out of the blue for the reason of "filter"...ok that is just a terrible explanation. if you are going to vote on someone at least accuse them of something scummy.
Then it turns out his huge reason is because obi hasn't called anyone town or scum instantly . It is reasonable that obi has reads but didn't want to give them yet or he was getting his reads based on questioning dam/lia.
Just felt like HF called him scum and then had to find a reason for it.

clearly you arent reading hard enough. HF gave a fine explanation and even explained why he said "filter" in the first place.

And you dont understand the reasoning behind HF's case.
HF is saying that Obi keeps complaining about there not being content but Obi isnt doing anything to create content. No analysis. No reread then some new insight. Just chitchatting with Damdred.

Obi doesnt even use the defense that you proposed which means its clearly not what Obi was doing.

Therefore you're townread on him is bad and that means you are scum.
##vote KelsierSC


One of the main points of HF's attack is that Obi didn't give his reads immediately. I am saying that doesn't make him scummy as people could want to hold back their reads for a time or they haven't formulated them.

How is not having reads not scummy?
And if he was holding it back intentionally, why didnt he say so at ANY POINT??

Where are these reads by Obi btw, I didnt see anything decent.


God I have said this before. He could be formulating his reads or be holding them for a time until he re read the whole thread.. Maybe that is his playstyle who knows. Just saying It was too soon to call him scummy. It seemed to me like he was trying to get a read and then HF stormed in and said "YOU DIDNT GIVE READS IMMEDIATELY YOU ARE MAFIA"

He did give grak a town read , but he also said he hadn't finished rereading so he will have more when he returns.

HE NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS HOLDING BACK READS OR FORMULATING THEM.
WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT?



I never assumed that, my point is that not giving your reads immediately doesn't make you scummy.

thanks for the all caps though it makes things really large


so giving reads immediately is scummy?


It depends on the quality of the read and how it fits with the rest of the thread.

If the thread is in one direction and out of the blue you say "this random guy is mafia because i did an RNG" I think that is a bad read and a scummy thing to do imo.



So let me get this straight you're scrutinizing me over why I'm not lynching OO who was random voted by BH who you think is scummy


The only reason why I think BH is scummy is his RNG thing which, seemed to me, pretty disruptive.
But judging by the attitude of BH he probably just does it anyway regardless of the thread. Bad town maybe scum maybe.
If I look past the RNG and other people in the town think BH is town they I would shift my view to bad town, I think Grak called BH town and Grak is my top town at the moment so.
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 10:41 GMT
#567
On October 07 2014 19:37 liancourt wrote:
so you think OO and BH are both scummy?


as above I think BH might just be bad/based town
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KelsierSC
Profile Blog Joined March 2013
United Kingdom10443 Posts
October 07 2014 10:48 GMT
#569
On October 07 2014 19:47 liancourt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 19:41 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 19:32 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 19:25 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 19:22 liancourt wrote:
On October 07 2014 19:11 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 18:55 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:56 KelsierSC wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:46 Oatsmaster wrote:
On October 07 2014 16:42 KelsierSC wrote:
[quote]

One of the main points of HF's attack is that Obi didn't give his reads immediately. I am saying that doesn't make him scummy as people could want to hold back their reads for a time or they haven't formulated them.

How is not having reads not scummy?
And if he was holding it back intentionally, why didnt he say so at ANY POINT??

Where are these reads by Obi btw, I didnt see anything decent.


God I have said this before. He could be formulating his reads or be holding them for a time until he re read the whole thread.. Maybe that is his playstyle who knows. Just saying It was too soon to call him scummy. It seemed to me like he was trying to get a read and then HF stormed in and said "YOU DIDNT GIVE READS IMMEDIATELY YOU ARE MAFIA"

He did give grak a town read , but he also said he hadn't finished rereading so he will have more when he returns.

HE NEVER SAID THAT HE WAS HOLDING BACK READS OR FORMULATING THEM.
WHY ARE YOU ASSUMING THAT?



I never assumed that, my point is that not giving your reads immediately doesn't make you scummy.

thanks for the all caps though it makes things really large


so giving reads immediately is scummy?


It depends on the quality of the read and how it fits with the rest of the thread.

If the thread is in one direction and out of the blue you say "this random guy is mafia because i did an RNG" I think that is a bad read and a scummy thing to do imo.



So let me get this straight you're scrutinizing me over why I'm not lynching OO who was random voted by BH who you think is scummy


The only reason why I think BH is scummy is his RNG thing which, seemed to me, pretty disruptive.
But judging by the attitude of BH he probably just does it anyway regardless of the thread. Bad town maybe scum maybe.
If I look past the RNG and other people in the town think BH is town they I would shift my view to bad town, I think Grak called BH town and Grak is my top town at the moment so.


huh you changed your view from being both scummy to reading BH as a bad town. What made you change you mind?


are you serious I just gave my reasons above what the fuck.


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