2p2 Vanilla Werewolf 13er

On September 25 2014 05:57 GlowingBear wrote:


I didn't understand this. What is bst?

All of GlowingBears sheep are gone, whoever could of taken his winter snack? It must of been those dastardly werewolves in their trench coats.Where did they get those things from anyway? And why could they walk upright? The world would never be able to answer those questions one way or another. The villagers might know how to help Bear thought....

On September 25 2014 08:12 Fecalfeast wrote:

OH MAN IT'S PALMAR I HEARD HE'S REALLY GOOD I'M SHEEPING HIM


##vote: Holyflare

seriously though are you gonna play this game? puppydog eyes*

On September 25 2014 08:14 HaruRH wrote:
FINALLY MY FIRST GREEN VANILLA TOWN GAME IN AGES YESSSSSSS

On September 25 2014 08:17 Holyflare wrote:
going to bust out the quote of all quotes hang on

On September 15 2014 20:04 HaruRH wrote:


Of course. But i am sick of rolling town.

On September 25 2014 08:24 SkyDragon wrote:
I know I'm new around here but what's up with the vote train on Holyflare? If that isn't considered suspicious as fuck, I don't know what is. Would it not be easier to just let the Seer do his/her job instead of lynching random villag.. I mean, er, "Vannillagers"?

On September 25 2014 08:14 HaruRH wrote:
FINALLY MY FIRST GREEN VANILLA TOWN GAME IN AGES YESSSSSSS

On September 15 2014 20:04 HaruRH wrote:


Of course. But i am sick of rolling town.

On September 25 2014 09:27 SkyDragon wrote:
Actually, all three of them claimed to be Town from the off, and HF decided to throw some names out as well (When barely anyone had posted and probably to deflect suspicion from himself). Just thinking out loud.

On September 25 2014 09:31 GlowingBear wrote:
Storr, what do you think of HF and Hopeless?

What do you think of HF's case?

On September 25 2014 09:37 GlowingBear wrote:


You know I'm not.

That makes you suspicious.

On September 25 2014 09:37 GlowingBear wrote:


You know I'm not.

That makes you suspicious.

On September 25 2014 09:54 GlowingBear wrote:


Interactions between you and hopeless* made my gut getting feels*

"Only analysis you did was to say people were being townie" --> (I) not true, and (ii) even if it was true, I'm not saying people are townie this game, so... Why do you think I rolled scum again?

Come back to the thread and answer me, Storr.

On September 25 2014 09:58 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


Assuming he's good enough to read anyone.

On September 25 2014 18:00 GlowingBear wrote:

I admitted Haru's case was the weakest.

Storr case isn't WIFOM btw

On September 25 2014 18:16 GlowingBear wrote:


Reasons?

On September 25 2014 22:33 batsnacks wrote:
I'm phone

Gb mafia

More later

On September 25 2014 23:06 justanothertownie wrote:
I hate being ninjaed.

On September 25 2014 23:06 GlowingBear wrote:
Townies, I'm not mafia. There are mafia trying to force a mislynch on me. Think wisely.

On September 25 2014 23:49 StorrZerg wrote:
@holyflare, i knew about the blue stuff because she said it in her defense.... of your accusation.

Prior to her saying it, my read on her entrance was entirely based on her entrance. nothing to do with blue. Hell i had to reconsider when your case got brought up, but the way it was handled was good. Hence more town for Haru

On September 25 2014 22:17 Holyflare wrote:
It's slightly odd that glowing made some weird connection between me and hopeless and then completely dropped it for the haru/me/storr scenario. What's super odd is when hopeless returns talking to glowing about me and how me dropping my case was towny but then glowing doesn't even seem to remember that he had some weird gut read about me and hopeless and instead sticks to his weird team.

On September 26 2014 09:46 Fecalfeast wrote:
Excuse the newb question but generally speaking how often does town get lynched D1?

On September 26 2014 08:23 Killing wrote:


This post basically said exactly what I was thinking at the time.

On September 26 2014 09:54 GlowingBear wrote:
Holyflower, who's scum?

On September 26 2014 10:08 SkyDragon wrote:
Of course I was. You guys play differently to what I'm used to. Hell, pushing someone to prove that they're not scum like what happened to you wouldn't have resulted in your opponent deflecting it and insisting that I prove to myself that you're not scum. Like what? Who says that? Lol.

On September 26 2014 10:32 SkyDragon wrote:
I do the same thing as well whereby you want to see the reaction that something generates. It's the way I play as well but it seems to have blown all out of proportion because people haven't given time for things to calm down and allow the real motives to become clear. My intention was to remove the lynch vote from Bats (It wasn't a serious vote) after a while if he hadn't cracked or anything but people have already prematurely assumed that I'm weirdly just all over the place and that I must be scum.

Bats made an unexpected appearance but the original three names that I stated were the people I wanted a confrontation with had he not decided to comment. Doesn't matter much now anyway. All I know is that I'm going to stay quiet from next game, whether I'm Town or Mafia.

On September 26 2014 18:43 Palmar wrote:
There's nothing alignment indicative in HaruRH's posts. However he has two posts that make me angry we don't have a vigilante this game for clearing out trash. I wish he was dead.

He's a very, very good default lynch this game (that is, if somehow all our scumreads start looking townie-ish)

Evidence 1.



"I'm not going to do anything until end of day 1, and thus be of no help"


Evidence 2.



Real life excuses should be policy lynches. Every time it's mafia making them for some reason.

Anyway, tbh that first post, if anything, sounds slightly more townie than scummy (the defiance that he is not going to cave in to pressure for reads and do things his way). It's a terrible way to play and it makes me a) not want to play with Haru, and b) want to kill Haru, but it is what it is, and I don't think he's a good lynch unless we have no other options.

On September 26 2014 15:38 justanothertownie wrote:

Could you explain this?

On September 26 2014 08:34 SkyDragon wrote:
I was actually in the middle of writing a long post about Storr (Hence why I went quiet) but refreshed the page and saw your diatribe aimed at both me and GB. GB is clearly forcing people to talk by claiming that they're suspicious and I think that it's a good strategy. It doesn't matter whether he backtracks because the point is to force people out of the shadows and defend themselves. You just don't get that.

On September 26 2014 20:04 Palmar wrote:
Why are you guys not commenting on my feeling about Hopeless, do you have a particular reason to think he's town? Am I missing something?

On September 26 2014 20:11 Palmar wrote:

So we kill?

On September 26 2014 21:41 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


It feels like he's letting the thread stagnate when he's normally a super active player. Then there's the fact that he's already tried pushing someone by misrepresenting his own meta, which is basically his scum meta.

Definitely not a lynch prospect for me at the moment, but I feel like it's worth looking into.

On September 26 2014 21:42 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


The Haru case.

lol wtf.

On September 26 2014 21:56 Palmar wrote:

I guess he's talking about the Haru thing.

I found it funny and liked your alignment for it, but as a viable case it was a stretch.

It's as bs as the shit I pulled on you in that cell game where I deconstructed your case on some bullshit meta because of timing on posts.

On September 26 2014 21:57 GlowingBear wrote:
JAT maybe scum or holyflower
Still deciding between storr, hopeless and batsnacks

I can't tell exactly why now

I have a great fear hope will flip town

Still deciding between storr, hopeless and batsnacks

Because I can be wrong, HF. Because I saw a sudden shift to hopeless, not in votes, but on arguments. And there is a possibility it's town realisation, but I'm afraid, for how the switch to hopeless was fast, that it could be also mafia driven. I think it's okay to have doubts on it. Don't you have? Do you have any information I don't?

On September 26 2014 23:01 Palmar wrote:
Killing's filter is quite awful too.

On September 27 2014 01:00 Holyflare wrote:
Also the last I read of fecal I actually liked him so these people that are calling him scummy are super weird, superbia also called him scum because he didn't get called out....?

In fact most of superbias reads are really superficial and sheeped (the bad kind with no extra thinking) and the fact he further calls fecal scum for reading sky as scum despite having sky as one of his own scum reads IS SUPER FUCKING SCUMMY

On September 27 2014 00:18 Superbia wrote:
This is currently my world:

Town:
StorrZerg - I've explained it before and the read is still the same. A thousand bonus townpoints for backing off on SkyDragon. Storr is going to stay in my towncircle unless something changes d2+.

Null (but special):
batsnacks - His push on GB read town to me. But then he pushes on Sky which is really fucking easy at that point in time. He does instantly back off as soon as Storr does. This might just be scum trying to buddy up by sheeping Storr, which would mean that Sky is town. As such, I'm ready to put bats on my scum list if Sky flips town (which means I'm decently happy to lynch Sky today).

Palmar - Palmar trying to take charge of town is scaring the shit out of me. Where was this Palmar last game? What changed? I like his Hopeless push, it's someone who I've felt might be scummy as well. But ugh. Does anyone have any information on Palmar's scumplay with links and shit? Because at this rate I'm never going to have a good read on him unless we lynch hopeless and he flips scum, which I'm not convinced about at this point in time.

Palmar, what is your opinion on FF? Have you read what I've said about him? If so, what do you think?

Scum:
Fecalfeast - Read still the same, he hasn't done anything significant since I've given this read except go on Sky, which seems like a very fucking easy lynch/push at that point. The fact that no one else has pinged you out for this is also really weird. Scum should be on your fucking ass for this shit, but no one is. You're scum.

SkyDragon (leaning) - You've been given some space, I'm expecting you to use this space before the EoD to come up with some good content. Failure to do so means I lynch you.

Hopeless (leaning) - Palmar has given a decent push on hopeless already. His filter feels devoid of any kind of proactivity. Why are you fine with sitting back and just giving comments? Fucking do something (see below). I would also really like to see you start a push on someone. I'd prefer lynching FF and Sky (if he keeps lurking) over hopeless right now, but I think we have a somewhat decent shot of hitting scum here if we want to go down this path.


At this point I would like a town/scum circle/list from the following people before EoD:
- Hopeless1der
- Glowingbear
- ObiWanShinobi
- HaruRH
- FecalFeast
- Batsnacks
- justanothertownie
- StorrZerg

##Vote: FecalFeast

On September 27 2014 01:35 Superbia wrote:
HF, what the fuck dude. Read the fucking context (AND READ MY FILTER). I've explained before why I feel Storr is town, him backing off just adds to that. Bats is just like "yeah I guess we should back off like Storr said" (not exact quote) so no, he doesn't get fucking town points for that. Yeah, maybe my "skydragon flips town -> bats is probably scum" read is a bit extreme, but I don't think it's completely uncalled for here. Furthermore, it's for a later point in time anyway so I'm expecting to have a better read on bats then anyway.

If plenty of people jump on a certain person after he's been read scummy by others, then that fucking stands out to me. Two worlds:
Sky is town -> at least 1 scum jumped on him. In this case my bet would be on Bats at this point in time, because he sheeped storr backing off so hard.
Sky is scum -> Less information, not going to draw any hard conclusions from this.

Stop wasting my fucking time dude, I don't have all the time and energy in the world. If you have questions fucking ask them, don't just start some shitty push on me because then I have to fucking walk through my entire thought process. Now I have to fucking go and my time could've been spent on something more productive. I'll be back before EoD.

StorrZerg gets a daypass for today! Reason is quite simple, I've seen Storr's scum game twice now (last game and watching mafia all-stars) and I'm pretty confident in identifying it (d2+).

On September 26 2014 07:43 Superbia wrote:
Why would I even consider Storr today if I feel I can easily read him during later days?

Sky, would you support a hopeless lynch?

Storr is scum: d1 he fools me, probably gets a misslynch. d2 I probably get a scumread on him and want to kill him.
Storr is town: d1 gets a pass, d2 I probably read him as town this day and rest of all days to come.

Town:
StorrZerg - I've explained it before and the read is still the same. A thousand bonus townpoints for backing off on SkyDragon. Storr is going to stay in my towncircle unless something changes d2+.

On September 27 2014 02:23 GlowingBear wrote:


If I say, I'll make Haru self aware and he will use it as scum. I'd rather say I believe he is town because his last posts sounded townish.
I haven't backed off when people said Haru is town. I backed off when I've got my own read from Haru, which is different from what HF did.

God, I want to lynch you so hard. (Not God. You.)

On September 27 2014 02:23 Holyflare wrote:


I still don't understand why you keep repeating this thing about me. Fully explain how it's scummy and what exactly you would have done when you made a case and then it was disproved by some evidence?

On September 27 2014 02:36 GlowingBear wrote:


I've seen you starting a strong case against a team mate and after some little time you backed off. It happened on the last game we were scum together.
What people have brought was not evidence, was speculation. It was "I think he is lying" versus "I don't think he is lying". It's not strong enough to make someone say "you don't think he is lying? Ok I don't think he is lying either, then". Specially in the beginning of the game where it's easy to mafia to back up a partner with enough time to lead a mislynch to someone else.

This is my explanation why it felt scummy. But the rest of your game started looking townish to me.

The end.

On September 25 2014 08:42 HaruRH wrote:
Yes. I didn't reveal i was blue yet at that point in the game. However, i obviously meant blue.

On September 27 2014 02:43 GlowingBear wrote:


Do you call this evidence??? REALLY???

Because mason is sooooooo different from vt

On September 27 2014 02:49 StorrZerg wrote:


So productive

@hf answer my question

when he says GREEN he is not meaning the color

On September 27 2014 03:00 StorrZerg wrote:



I'm not.

I'm pushing a scum read who continues to hinder town.

I'm biased on superbia since he town read me. I think I understand his read, but I can agree he should explain more.

I can't explain it now, cause if it sounds good "he will just sheep" so yes, I want him to explain more to make sure I'm just not being pocketed.

On September 27 2014 03:27 StorrZerg wrote:


I said i wanted him to explain more about his read... you getting your panties in a bunch isn't helping.

On September 27 2014 03:38 StorrZerg wrote:


your main issue is how he town read me. Me explaining his town read from my point of view doesn't help. Your concern is him. Let him explain, i'll comment after.

Why don't we move on to skydragon right now who is active and posting

On September 27 2014 04:14 Superbia wrote:
All right, I'm back. Let me explain my read on StorrZerg one last time. I'm pretty confident in hard-reading him from d2+ (it has to do with proactivity). This does not mean I can't have any other reads on him, nor does it mean that is my only read on him. I feel like Storr is town already, simply based on how proactive he is (and his pushes make sense). The thousand town points I gave him are arbitrary, but him giving Sky some space felt very town to me. I was reading him town before this, however.



This is actually a really good point. I can't believe I missed this. I feel a lot better about bats now.

Going to read the rest of the thread now and do some diving on JAT. If there are any other questions feel free to ask them, I'm no longer in a rush.

On September 27 2014 04:17 Superbia wrote:
Also why did you link to my newbie game's filter but not my more recent game's filter?

On September 27 2014 04:31 GlowingBear wrote:
Lol I'm getting lynched with only 3 votes?

This is bizarre. Let me think about this vote count a little

On September 27 2014 05:13 StorrZerg wrote:


explain...

On September 27 2014 05:11 Killing wrote:


Started top town and now we're here

On September 27 2014 04:48 Holyflare wrote:


Why have you been saying my case is really good but then opting out of all discussion and then not even voting with my case?? I thought you wanted nothing more than to get discussion going.

On September 27 2014 05:18 Killing wrote:


Fecal had said it after I was hard scum reading him so it didn't matter much to me but I did take note of it. I don't think fecal would be a lynch for me.
I believed Haru when he said this.


I don't correlate activity with alignment. If someone makes 3 posts and I find the posts townie, I call them town. I believe hopeless is town.

On September 27 2014 07:01 SkyDragon wrote:
Explain, please.

On September 27 2014 08:09 Superbia wrote:
I'm keeping my vote on Fecal, I hope other people will be convinced in the next 2 hours, but I sincerely doubt it. I think we have the highest chance of hitting scum here, I've given my reasons (one of them was bad, but whatever).

I think the current wagons are all right, I'm not sure about GB. I think Sky should be given a chance tomorrow, as bats has said. It's unfortunate that hopeless is afk, as I hate lynching afkers. That being said, I think hopeless is the most likely hit out of the current wagons, followed by sky.

I'm off to sleep for now.

On September 27 2014 08:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
I hope we get another day together GB. I voted skydragon. Will not be back before deadline. Please dont kill me, I need to yell at Palmar and HF for their arrogance.

On September 27 2014 08:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
I hope we get another day together GB. I voted skydragon. Will not be back before deadline. Please dont kill me, I need to yell at Palmar and HF for their arrogance.

On September 27 2014 08:33 Hopeless1der wrote:

Skydragon looks worse, I did say I would comment on him. Obviously I didn't bring at least I voted

On September 26 2014 11:23 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'm going to withold commenting on SkyDragon until he is able to review and respond as asked by storr/holy.

Something HF noted, the game feels so slow. I agree with that sentiment, but I am not sure if its because mafia are paralyzed or because we're so desperately on the wrong track. There is no conclusion here, just something to consider.

I like Killing's idea of a town circle. Do not necessarily like Killing in that town circle . Off a gut check I actually have no problem with his townlist.

I know I said the same thing last night, but I'm moving into my apartment tonight, so my activity is pretty shitty. I may not get home in time for deadline and cell reception is spotty.

For the time being, GB is still my top scumread, voting him.

On September 27 2014 08:50 GlowingBear wrote:
Yeah, I'm actually really insecure of what he will flip.

On September 27 2014 08:52 GlowingBear wrote:


I can say it because he seemed genuine when saying he wanted to scream at people's arrogance.

On September 27 2014 09:40 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
W/e.

#yolo

##vote hopeless

On September 27 2014 09:46 Hopeless1der wrote:
I work in the desert Northern Nevada, you tell me how reception is. I have WiFi at work but I do not want to play at work. Clicked /all and skimmed then voted while waiting g for the bus to go home. Make sense?

BTW I hope HF gets mod killed for that vote count And also GB for out of game betting.

Scum: GB skydragon superbia. And maybe Palmar because he's ugly and led my mislynch.

On September 27 2014 09:47 ObiWanShinobi wrote:
Some shitty one-off post about Super's newbie meta.

On September 27 2014 09:48 GlowingBear wrote:
Hopeless will flip green, is rather lynch someone else really fast

On September 27 2014 09:49 GlowingBear wrote:
LOLOLOLOLOL look at his last post HF. Does it sound like a scum about to die?

On September 27 2014 09:56 Fecalfeast wrote:
So if hopeless flips werewolf I'm gonna be so ready to kill GB or Killing

On September 28 2014 00:07 Killing wrote:


There's probably one between Palmar and you.

/point

On September 28 2014 00:11 Killing wrote:


He pointed it out
No traction
You created traction
Hopeless senpai died

On September 28 2014 00:22 Killing wrote:


I liked his posts especially the one about the early haru swtich by HF and then he was calling me town so I knew it was love at first sight.

On September 28 2014 00:18 batsnacks wrote:


I agree with this. Speaking as town there is no way I was moving my vote on hopeless especially after he said he was moving into a new apartment, hiking in the mountains or something, and in the middle of the desert. At least I think he claimed to be all of those places I don't really remember. Then he showed up in the last 10 minutes to do nothing.

On September 27 2014 22:50 batsnacks wrote:
I have a really strong feeling HF is wolf. I just don't have any evidence to support this claim. I don't even know why I think this.

On September 27 2014 23:13 batsnacks wrote:
HF I only sheeped you on Superbia and I never even voted Superbia, I just said I would be willing to.

On September 25 2014 09:51 batsnacks wrote:
I agree with what HF is saying about GB

On September 27 2014 02:45 batsnacks wrote:
I'm phone

Would lynch

Superbia because

HF good

On September 28 2014 00:49 Killing wrote:
I can't tell if you guys are really bad or just mafia

On September 28 2014 01:03 StorrZerg wrote:
We should look at people who wanted "to give sky a chance"
And using that as reason to not vote. Hf your reasons to push hopeless on activity was incredibly scummy. You made the lynch happen, you pulled it off sky.

Still catching up.

On September 28 2014 02:52 StorrZerg wrote:



You "caught him in a lie about his activity " which lead to the insurance of his lynch.

On September 28 2014 03:47 batsnacks wrote:
Read page 56. That's all the explanation anyone needs.



He never thought I was claiming.

On September 28 2014 03:48 Killing wrote:
I believe that we are losing the game

On September 28 2014 03:56 batsnacks wrote:


I guess now that it's convenient it is a soft claim, right? Scum.

On September 28 2014 04:03 Killing wrote:


I called everyone bad and said that we should probably be looking at sky + the flip from sky onto hopeless. Does that not count? I mean you're just blindly lynching people left and right.

On September 28 2014 04:26 Fecalfeast wrote:


All the dillholes last game were town

On September 28 2014 04:21 Killing wrote:


WE WANTED TO KILL SKYDRAGON AND THEN YOU MADE THE SWITCH ONTO A NOW CONFIRMED TOWN. Why the fuck wouldn't he be suspicious of you? I had to in my town list AND EVEN I'M SUSPICIOUS OF YOU. Jesus fuck, this is just a circlejerk of OMGUS.

On September 28 2014 04:54 ObiWanShinobi wrote:


You just said town Palmar would be more willing to act that way...?

On September 28 2014 05:10 Palmar wrote:
Also for what it's worth, I sincerely fucking hope our cop checked Holyflare last night. I am in no mood to argue with him for 15 pages, but there is a chance he is mafia. There's something off about his play here, he's just not.... being smart and analytical enough for my taste.

On September 28 2014 05:23 Palmar wrote:

And JAT?

On September 28 2014 05:28 justanothertownie wrote:

How have I not done anything? Are you kidding me? Not that it would make me scum anyways since I DID do shit in heavyweight.

On September 28 2014 05:32 justanothertownie wrote:

Are we playing the same game? I think I very adamantly pushed for a Killing lynch today. There is nothing passive about that.

On September 28 2014 06:58 Killing wrote:


You're telling me you can do nothing with the information that both I and Bat are town?