|
On September 27 2014 01:14 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2014 01:08 Superbia wrote:
Nothing really. Anything in particular you want me to look into? filter diving him now. only recalled 1 thing he said. figured i needed to update myself on him.
I'll read more into his filter later (have to go soon).
|
On September 27 2014 01:15 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2014 01:11 StorrZerg wrote:On September 27 2014 01:07 HaruRH wrote:On September 26 2014 18:43 Palmar wrote:There's nothing alignment indicative in HaruRH's posts. However he has two posts that make me angry we don't have a vigilante this game for clearing out trash. I wish he was dead. He's a very, very good default lynch this game (that is, if somehow all our scumreads start looking townie-ish) Evidence 1.On September 25 2014 08:43 HaruRH wrote:On September 25 2014 08:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh THANK GOD I'm town again! I hate rolling scum.
Ok, Haru, tell me what you think of holyflower by now That 'case' on me was just backed up with bad evidence. So yea, let's wait and see. I am only going to post reads near end of d1. "I'm not going to do anything until end of day 1, and thus be of no help" Evidence 2.On September 26 2014 00:02 HaruRH wrote:
I am coming out to say I won't be doing shit for this few days because I am going to lol worlds. You must expect lower activity (lower than my lowest activity games). However, I will find a worthy person to sheep. So far, given my observations, I would actually call GB WOLF. Real life excuses should be policy lynches. Every time it's mafia making them for some reason. Anyway, tbh that first post, if anything, sounds slightly more townie than scummy (the defiance that he is not going to cave in to pressure for reads and do things his way). It's a terrible way to play and it makes me a) not want to play with Haru, and b) want to kill Haru, but it is what it is, and I don't think he's a good lynch unless we have no other options. for this post, palmar is town. People who played in fanfic would know why. can you explain why? he 'jokes' about hating policy lynches in fanfic when i called him out for loving policy lynches but stating he hates them in fanfic (he does this shit all the time) and now he isn't deciding on policy lynching me immediately. This feels town to me.
LOL I totally rescind my read now that Haru is actually playing.
This is town Haru.
|
On September 27 2014 01:12 GlowingBear wrote:
Storr, it's not a pressure vote, it is a kill vote because, again, Haru is back giving reasons why he is busy and not actually playing the game.
Haru, bbylicious, this is nawt scumbear talking, dis is towniebear
You can't be town if you're serious about lynching me bby
Now give me your wolf pelt
|
United Kingdom30775 Posts
On September 27 2014 00:18 Superbia wrote:
This is currently my world:
Town:
StorrZerg - I've explained it before and the read is still the same. A thousand bonus townpoints for backing off on SkyDragon. Storr is going to stay in my towncircle unless something changes d2+.
Null (but special):
batsnacks - His push on GB read town to me. But then he pushes on Sky which is really fucking easy at that point in time. He does instantly back off as soon as Storr does. This might just be scum trying to buddy up by sheeping Storr, which would mean that Sky is town. As such, I'm ready to put bats on my scum list if Sky flips town (which means I'm decently happy to lynch Sky today).
Palmar - Palmar trying to take charge of town is scaring the shit out of me. Where was this Palmar last game? What changed? I like his Hopeless push, it's someone who I've felt might be scummy as well. But ugh. Does anyone have any information on Palmar's scumplay with links and shit? Because at this rate I'm never going to have a good read on him unless we lynch hopeless and he flips scum, which I'm not convinced about at this point in time.
Palmar, what is your opinion on FF? Have you read what I've said about him? If so, what do you think?
Scum:
Fecalfeast - Read still the same, he hasn't done anything significant since I've given this read except go on Sky, which seems like a very fucking easy lynch/push at that point. The fact that no one else has pinged you out for this is also really weird. Scum should be on your fucking ass for this shit, but no one is. You're scum.
SkyDragon (leaning) - You've been given some space, I'm expecting you to use this space before the EoD to come up with some good content. Failure to do so means I lynch you.
Hopeless (leaning) - Palmar has given a decent push on hopeless already. His filter feels devoid of any kind of proactivity. Why are you fine with sitting back and just giving comments? Fucking do something (see below). I would also really like to see you start a push on someone. I'd prefer lynching FF and Sky (if he keeps lurking) over hopeless right now, but I think we have a somewhat decent shot of hitting scum here if we want to go down this path.
At this point I would like a town/scum circle/list from the following people before EoD:
- Hopeless1der
- Glowingbear
- ObiWanShinobi
- HaruRH
- FecalFeast
- Batsnacks
- justanothertownie
- StorrZerg
##Vote: FecalFeast
Just going to go out there and say this is almost the worst post in the thread. I said before and apparently superbia just criticised me for not reading it so I'll show you why it's ultimately terrible.
First and foremost, his read on storr is so weird because it relies on storr stopping pushing on his scum read because a lot of pressure was on the scum read (many people have actually done this but superbia only focuses on storr here for no reason).
Secondly, his null reads on Batsnacks and Palmar. Not only is his read on batsnacks super duper supppperrrr wishy washy it is ridiculous. He gives town points to storr for backing off on skydragon but then when batsnacks has supposedly posted towny things (in superbia's eyes) and then does the same thing as storr batsnacks could be scummy!?!?!? Not only that but then he further adds the scummiest thing ever in this paragraph that if skydragon flips town that batsnacks is scum. This is so uncalled for and makes so little sense that it screams scummy to me.
His Palmar read is meh and he can't be bothered to research it for himself but it's not really anything to care about other than him only being able to trust palmar if hopeless flips mafia despite palmar pushing several people and not just hopeless.
Now. Shit gets scummy. Not only does superbia scum read skydragon but throughout this entire post he has been saying people are scummy for scum reading and pressuring skydragon. Not only should this be contradictory to his own thought process but instead he should be determining the opposite reads, that the people pressuring his scum reads are more towny. Apparently just because he pressured sky when everyone else did fecal becomes somehow the scummiest out of EVERYONE in the game that did the same thing. Despite still scum reading sky. He also uses some crap about nobody calling him out for it which doesn't make any sense because what he has posted hasn't been too bad when I looked at it.
Hopeless read is.... not really a read but w/e
|
where the hell is your case on FF?
Btw, I started his filter, and he seems to have a pretty casual/joking attitude early game. Sure it's easy to fake as mafia, but I'm not sure it makes him one, but I'm only like 1/3 through.
I also saw a post by Storr that makes him very likely to be town in my eyes, so I'm doing a #180 on him.
|
On September 27 2014 01:16 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2014 01:07 Palmar wrote:On September 27 2014 00:24 StorrZerg wrote:On September 27 2014 00:15 Palmar wrote:
Like why take my word for it, you can make your own decision, right?
Are you uncomfortable with continuing to push your scum read? I read that and have similar feelings as hopeless on other people. GB in particular. Fecal as well. GB doesn't have any opinions on Hopeless. He hardly responded to what I wrote, and seemed more inclined to agree with me. His only opinion was associative reads based on people sheeping me, which has nothing to do with Hopeless. And why do you think I'm uncomfortable pushing my read? I am literally doing just that. I'm encouraging you to read his filter and tell me why he's town. In fact I think this response, especially the part where you say you agree with GB's feelings on hopeless, which are summarized here: On September 26 2014 22:50 GlowingBear wrote:On September 26 2014 22:46 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2014 22:45 GlowingBear wrote:On September 26 2014 22:43 Holyflare wrote:Because I can be wrong, HF. Because I saw a sudden shift to hopeless, not in votes, but on arguments. And there is a possibility it's town realisation, but I'm afraid, for how the switch to hopeless was fast, that it could be also mafia driven. I think it's okay to have doubts on it. Don't you have? Do you have any information I don't? How was there a sudden change at all? Palmar posted a case on like 3 ppl which we commented on and then he asked for hopeless read/comments And then people just said "hey, hopeless is scum lololol". This is the point I'm at. I'm analysing scenarios, HF. He can be scum, as I've already said, but it could be mafia driven. You think it couldn't? It's literally me and HF Which one of us is scum? Hell HF is being useless. This is Palmar driven. Do you think my logic is off? Do you disagree with what I wrote in that big post on hopeless? Nope, my phrasing was wrong. I think your case is legit but the following posts sheeping you may not be. I've already said HF is scummy IMO. Btw in his scum play it is just like him to read someone as scum and then shifting his opinion. He did it awkwardly (in the way I see) with Haru and now he did it with me. On September 26 2014 23:01 GlowingBear wrote:On September 26 2014 18:32 Palmar wrote:Filters time: On September 25 2014 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
not much time tonight, but right now severely dislike glowingbear. Very shallow reads imo. HF's case wasnt terrible, it was misplaced. If haru couldnt prove he was actually sad about rolling blue I'd be voting for him right now. Since the case has obviously failed, why would HF stay with it? Thats ridiculous.
Then there's his scumlist...what the hell is that about. players have literally not even posted yet, but GB has solved the game? I dont buy that in the slightest. That's reading way too much into something obviously thrown out as a wild guess. Like you're just creating talking points here. On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:On September 25 2014 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:On September 25 2014 12:28 Hopeless1der wrote:On September 25 2014 12:22 GlowingBear wrote:On September 25 2014 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
not much time tonight, but right now severely dislike glowingbear. Very shallow reads imo. HF's case wasnt terrible, it was misplaced. If haru couldnt prove he was actually sad about rolling blue I'd be voting for him right now. Since the case has obviously failed, why would HF stay with it? Thats ridiculous.
Then there's his scumlist...what the hell is that about. players have literally not even posted yet, but GB has solved the game? I dont buy that in the slightest.
I'll probably be gone until this time tomorrow but should be generally more active when I'm around during my evenings. (Just started a new job, dont want to play at work) Because that's his scum read and if the case didn't go through he should be asking more questions to Haru to get more information? Lol... HF's case on Haru was literally based on one post that was demonstrably false using out-of-thread but public information. Again, why try to stick with such a case? Refusing to "overlook" (which is a strange way to phrase it btw) his case would be way more suspicious than dropping it like he already has. The fact that this seems suspicious to you makes YOU look suspicious to me. Because it's easy, as scum, to pick on a tiny problem to bus a partner then drop the read. That is so incredibly shallow. Unless I have found surefire scum tomorrow, I'm voting you just based off this interaction. Why is it shallow? It's not particularly well explained but it's a perfectly valid observation. It makes Glowingbear dumb, but if glowingbear is mafia this is not why. Like I don't understand the connection that because GB is saying something stupid, or far-fetched, that he must be mafia? On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
btw, fecalfeast is behaving pretty similar to last game imo. No reason to hate on him just yet. Palmar seems to have gotten upset that no one uses the voting thread to follow his policy and has taken up a silent protest. Sky is new to TL but not to mafia. I'd like to hear his (her?) thoughts on why d1 claimers usually got lynched on SK.
I'm gone for now, see you all later.
This feels like commentary with no conclusion. What's up with his comment on me here? Unless he's trying to be funny I just don't understand what the point here is. I don't know. I'm getting literally zero townvibes from Hopeless this game. Between doing very little, only committing to a single read (GB = Scum), then attempting to bury GB for what is at best very slightly scummy, I'd say Hopeless is a pretty good scum candidate today. I'm gonna throw this out, then read some more filters and see what I come up with. Currently he's number 1 on my list. First two quotes you've brought is slight scummy because he is hard scum reading me for things that aren't really indicative. Third post makes him look useless because who the fuck cares for what SK people do as policy lynch? It's just him pretending to be contributive. And then pretend that this is a reason to disagree with my read on Hopeless... is actually quite scummy in itself. Palmar, I agreed with you. I just think lynching Haru is better. I'm confused o.O
Srsly that's what I said.
Just do as I say pls. pls don't argue, is all over, you can sleep now. Use the force GB, trust me.
|
On September 26 2014 20:03 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 19:55 justanothertownie wrote:
Palmar you seem to be really sure that GB is town all of a sudden. Can you elaborate on that? Short version I think his tone and activity are more likely to come from a townie. He at some point came under fire for his opinions and stuck to his guns. Also I don't remember him being so adamant about wanting people to know his reads and how strong they were when he was mafia. It seems to matter to him that people know what he's thinking.
Previous game he didn't need to do anything. in fact he could be as scummy as he wanted why? because town was slitting each other throats. Its a much smaller game, hence personality changes are rampant in this game. Him, me, holy a few others i'd bet.
so i can't see why it makes his alignment town for wanting people to know his reads, and sticking with them.
|
On September 27 2014 01:22 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 20:03 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2014 19:55 justanothertownie wrote:
Palmar you seem to be really sure that GB is town all of a sudden. Can you elaborate on that? Short version I think his tone and activity are more likely to come from a townie. He at some point came under fire for his opinions and stuck to his guns. Also I don't remember him being so adamant about wanting people to know his reads and how strong they were when he was mafia. It seems to matter to him that people know what he's thinking. Previous game he didn't need to do anything. in fact he could be as scummy as he wanted why? because town was slitting each other throats. Its a much smaller game, hence personality changes are rampant in this game. Him, me, holy a few others i'd bet. so i can't see why it makes his alignment town for wanting people to know his reads, and sticking with them.
Yeah I guess.
Still, Hopeless is a better lynch. Now that I think you're town you should totally agree with me and vote him!
|
I had given jat a lot of town credit off 1 post when he read me. So i decided to reread him since i couldn't remember anything else.
i like most of what he is saying/pressure he is applying. save for this.
On September 26 2014 21:55 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 21:53 Holyflare wrote:
why aren't you voting hopeless jat? Not convinced that he is a better lynch than let's say Sky. Since he isn't here it wouldn't pressure him at all.
while he is right that sky is the better lynch. Sky is absolutely a train wreck right now. Even if hopeless1der isn't exactly around, i feel the pressure is more just on hopeless right now from his point of view.
|
On September 27 2014 01:21 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2014 01:16 GlowingBear wrote:On September 27 2014 01:07 Palmar wrote:On September 27 2014 00:24 StorrZerg wrote:On September 27 2014 00:15 Palmar wrote:
Like why take my word for it, you can make your own decision, right?
Are you uncomfortable with continuing to push your scum read? I read that and have similar feelings as hopeless on other people. GB in particular. Fecal as well. GB doesn't have any opinions on Hopeless. He hardly responded to what I wrote, and seemed more inclined to agree with me. His only opinion was associative reads based on people sheeping me, which has nothing to do with Hopeless. And why do you think I'm uncomfortable pushing my read? I am literally doing just that. I'm encouraging you to read his filter and tell me why he's town. In fact I think this response, especially the part where you say you agree with GB's feelings on hopeless, which are summarized here: On September 26 2014 22:50 GlowingBear wrote:On September 26 2014 22:46 Palmar wrote:On September 26 2014 22:45 GlowingBear wrote:On September 26 2014 22:43 Holyflare wrote:Because I can be wrong, HF. Because I saw a sudden shift to hopeless, not in votes, but on arguments. And there is a possibility it's town realisation, but I'm afraid, for how the switch to hopeless was fast, that it could be also mafia driven. I think it's okay to have doubts on it. Don't you have? Do you have any information I don't? How was there a sudden change at all? Palmar posted a case on like 3 ppl which we commented on and then he asked for hopeless read/comments And then people just said "hey, hopeless is scum lololol". This is the point I'm at. I'm analysing scenarios, HF. He can be scum, as I've already said, but it could be mafia driven. You think it couldn't? It's literally me and HF Which one of us is scum? Hell HF is being useless. This is Palmar driven. Do you think my logic is off? Do you disagree with what I wrote in that big post on hopeless? Nope, my phrasing was wrong. I think your case is legit but the following posts sheeping you may not be. I've already said HF is scummy IMO. Btw in his scum play it is just like him to read someone as scum and then shifting his opinion. He did it awkwardly (in the way I see) with Haru and now he did it with me. On September 26 2014 23:01 GlowingBear wrote:On September 26 2014 18:32 Palmar wrote:Filters time: On September 25 2014 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
not much time tonight, but right now severely dislike glowingbear. Very shallow reads imo. HF's case wasnt terrible, it was misplaced. If haru couldnt prove he was actually sad about rolling blue I'd be voting for him right now. Since the case has obviously failed, why would HF stay with it? Thats ridiculous.
Then there's his scumlist...what the hell is that about. players have literally not even posted yet, but GB has solved the game? I dont buy that in the slightest. That's reading way too much into something obviously thrown out as a wild guess. Like you're just creating talking points here. On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:On September 25 2014 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:On September 25 2014 12:28 Hopeless1der wrote:On September 25 2014 12:22 GlowingBear wrote:On September 25 2014 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
not much time tonight, but right now severely dislike glowingbear. Very shallow reads imo. HF's case wasnt terrible, it was misplaced. If haru couldnt prove he was actually sad about rolling blue I'd be voting for him right now. Since the case has obviously failed, why would HF stay with it? Thats ridiculous.
Then there's his scumlist...what the hell is that about. players have literally not even posted yet, but GB has solved the game? I dont buy that in the slightest.
I'll probably be gone until this time tomorrow but should be generally more active when I'm around during my evenings. (Just started a new job, dont want to play at work) Because that's his scum read and if the case didn't go through he should be asking more questions to Haru to get more information? Lol... HF's case on Haru was literally based on one post that was demonstrably false using out-of-thread but public information. Again, why try to stick with such a case? Refusing to "overlook" (which is a strange way to phrase it btw) his case would be way more suspicious than dropping it like he already has. The fact that this seems suspicious to you makes YOU look suspicious to me. Because it's easy, as scum, to pick on a tiny problem to bus a partner then drop the read. That is so incredibly shallow. Unless I have found surefire scum tomorrow, I'm voting you just based off this interaction. Why is it shallow? It's not particularly well explained but it's a perfectly valid observation. It makes Glowingbear dumb, but if glowingbear is mafia this is not why. Like I don't understand the connection that because GB is saying something stupid, or far-fetched, that he must be mafia? On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
btw, fecalfeast is behaving pretty similar to last game imo. No reason to hate on him just yet. Palmar seems to have gotten upset that no one uses the voting thread to follow his policy and has taken up a silent protest. Sky is new to TL but not to mafia. I'd like to hear his (her?) thoughts on why d1 claimers usually got lynched on SK.
I'm gone for now, see you all later.
This feels like commentary with no conclusion. What's up with his comment on me here? Unless he's trying to be funny I just don't understand what the point here is. I don't know. I'm getting literally zero townvibes from Hopeless this game. Between doing very little, only committing to a single read (GB = Scum), then attempting to bury GB for what is at best very slightly scummy, I'd say Hopeless is a pretty good scum candidate today. I'm gonna throw this out, then read some more filters and see what I come up with. Currently he's number 1 on my list. First two quotes you've brought is slight scummy because he is hard scum reading me for things that aren't really indicative. Third post makes him look useless because who the fuck cares for what SK people do as policy lynch? It's just him pretending to be contributive. And then pretend that this is a reason to disagree with my read on Hopeless... is actually quite scummy in itself. Palmar, I agreed with you. I just think lynching Haru is better. I'm confused o.O Srsly that's what I said. Just do as I say pls. pls don't argue, is all over, you can sleep now. Use the force GB, trust me.
Kthxbai
Btw, Haru's last posts looks like town Haru.
So
Yeah
Good night.
|
United Kingdom30775 Posts
+ Show Spoiler +On September 26 2014 09:38 Fecalfeast wrote:I really like batsnacks' post on GB, even if it is a little shallow with the 3rd person stuff. I was on SkyDragon's side until right about here. Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 08:02 SkyDragon wrote:
Seer is welcome to spy on me, I have nothing to hide. This post came out of left field and, especially in the context of his other posts, feels so wrong. I would have liked to give him the benefit of the doubt and lynch him day2 but his sudden switch from storr to bats was off, too. Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 09:30 SkyDragon wrote:On September 26 2014 09:20 Superbia wrote:On September 26 2014 09:19 SkyDragon wrote:
I would say Bats at this stage. Storr just doesn't seem as suspicious to me anymore. Why? Your main read on Storr was that he was aggressive (correct me if I'm wrong here), which he still very much is. That's true. I was making my reply to him (Thoroughly checking his comments) but noticed that he generally became less aggressive as the game has continued. My main issues with him still are that - He confirmed himself and insisted that he was Town in his very first post - He started pointing fingers at FF and GB within minutes of his first post - He stated that ObiWan was probably Town, even though the guy had barely said anything of relevance at that stage So three reasons listed why storr is suspicious and his biggest case was on storr originally yet he votes batsnacks Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 09:33 SkyDragon wrote:
I still think he's suspicious though but am far more suspicious of Bat now simply because he refused to defend himself against my accusations. So rather than vote someone you have real evidence on, you are voting for someone who wont respond to you? The guy who you have been scumreading all game literally called you out and voted for you yet you completely ignore him? ##vote: SkyDragonI haven't been playing much because I am moving house, I will be most active from 3pm-10pm PST
^ i like this post the most from fecal
|
taking my own suggestion. switching to GB.
|
out for a run be back in an hour or so
|
Oh and pls, srsly consider JAT as a lynch candidate day2. He does not sound like town this time 
|
On September 27 2014 01:24 StorrZerg wrote:I had given jat a lot of town credit off 1 post when he read me. So i decided to reread him since i couldn't remember anything else. i like most of what he is saying/pressure he is applying. save for this. Show nested quote +On September 26 2014 21:55 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2014 21:53 Holyflare wrote:
why aren't you voting hopeless jat? Not convinced that he is a better lynch than let's say Sky. Since he isn't here it wouldn't pressure him at all. while he is right that sky is the better lynch. Sky is absolutely a train wreck right now. Even if hopeless1der isn't exactly around, i feel the pressure is more just on hopeless right now from his point of view.
Yes.
Lets switch to sky now. We can leave gb for later, when i turn on my d2 power mode and lynch all scums
|
United Kingdom30775 Posts
i really want to lynch superbia
|
United Kingdom30775 Posts
he practically told us sky will flip town and he'll start scum reading batsnacks anyway
|
On September 27 2014 01:26 HaruRH wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2014 01:24 StorrZerg wrote:I had given jat a lot of town credit off 1 post when he read me. So i decided to reread him since i couldn't remember anything else. i like most of what he is saying/pressure he is applying. save for this. On September 26 2014 21:55 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2014 21:53 Holyflare wrote:
why aren't you voting hopeless jat? Not convinced that he is a better lynch than let's say Sky. Since he isn't here it wouldn't pressure him at all. while he is right that sky is the better lynch. Sky is absolutely a train wreck right now. Even if hopeless1der isn't exactly around, i feel the pressure is more just on hopeless right now from his point of view. Yes. Lets switch to sky now. We can leave gb for later, when i turn on my d2 power mode and lynch all scums
Srsly bulbasaur? I've just unvoted and that's what you give me?
I don't trust your solar beam, sry
|
On September 27 2014 01:29 GlowingBear wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2014 01:26 HaruRH wrote:On September 27 2014 01:24 StorrZerg wrote:I had given jat a lot of town credit off 1 post when he read me. So i decided to reread him since i couldn't remember anything else. i like most of what he is saying/pressure he is applying. save for this. On September 26 2014 21:55 justanothertownie wrote:On September 26 2014 21:53 Holyflare wrote:
why aren't you voting hopeless jat? Not convinced that he is a better lynch than let's say Sky. Since he isn't here it wouldn't pressure him at all. while he is right that sky is the better lynch. Sky is absolutely a train wreck right now. Even if hopeless1der isn't exactly around, i feel the pressure is more just on hopeless right now from his point of view. Yes. Lets switch to sky now. We can leave gb for later, when i turn on my d2 power mode and lynch all scums Srsly bulbasaur? I've just unvoted and that's what you give me? I don't trust your solar beam, sry
well, it worked for the games i tried it on, and i caught town and scum accurately. Like to 0.05mm accuracy.
|
On September 27 2014 01:27 Holyflare wrote:
he practically told us sky will flip town and he'll start scum reading batsnacks anyway
That is not what he is saying in that paragraph and you know it
|
|
|
|
|
|
40439
886
616
EPT
