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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
September 26 2014 16:06 GMT
#681
Superbia got anything on jat?
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
September 26 2014 16:07 GMT
#682
On September 26 2014 18:43 Palmar wrote:
There's nothing alignment indicative in HaruRH's posts. However he has two posts that make me angry we don't have a vigilante this game for clearing out trash. I wish he was dead.

He's a very, very good default lynch this game (that is, if somehow all our scumreads start looking townie-ish)

Evidence 1.

Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 08:43 HaruRH wrote:
On September 25 2014 08:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh THANK GOD I'm town again! I hate rolling scum.

Ok, Haru, tell me what you think of holyflower by now


That 'case' on me was just backed up with bad evidence. So yea, let's wait and see. I am only going to post reads near end of d1.


"I'm not going to do anything until end of day 1, and thus be of no help"


Evidence 2.

Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 00:02 HaruRH wrote:
I am coming out to say I won't be doing shit for this few days because I am going to lol worlds. You must expect lower activity (lower than my lowest activity games). However, I will find a worthy person to sheep. So far, given my observations, I would actually call GB WOLF.


Real life excuses should be policy lynches. Every time it's mafia making them for some reason.

Anyway, tbh that first post, if anything, sounds slightly more townie than scummy (the defiance that he is not going to cave in to pressure for reads and do things his way). It's a terrible way to play and it makes me a) not want to play with Haru, and b) want to kill Haru, but it is what it is, and I don't think he's a good lynch unless we have no other options.


for this post, palmar is town. People who played in fanfic would know why.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 26 2014 16:07 GMT
#683
On September 27 2014 00:24 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 00:15 Palmar wrote:
Like why take my word for it, you can make your own decision, right?


Are you uncomfortable with continuing to push your scum read?

I read that and have similar feelings as hopeless on other people. GB in particular. Fecal as well.



GB doesn't have any opinions on Hopeless. He hardly responded to what I wrote, and seemed more inclined to agree with me. His only opinion was associative reads based on people sheeping me, which has nothing to do with Hopeless.

And why do you think I'm uncomfortable pushing my read? I am literally doing just that.

I'm encouraging you to read his filter and tell me why he's town.

In fact I think this response, especially the part where you say you agree with GB's feelings on hopeless, which are summarized here:

On September 26 2014 22:50 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 22:46 Palmar wrote:
On September 26 2014 22:45 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 26 2014 22:43 Holyflare wrote:
Because I can be wrong, HF. Because I saw a sudden shift to hopeless, not in votes, but on arguments. And there is a possibility it's town realisation, but I'm afraid, for how the switch to hopeless was fast, that it could be also mafia driven. I think it's okay to have doubts on it. Don't you have? Do you have any information I don't?


How was there a sudden change at all? Palmar posted a case on like 3 ppl which we commented on and then he asked for hopeless read/comments


And then people just said "hey, hopeless is scum lololol".
This is the point I'm at.

I'm analysing scenarios, HF. He can be scum, as I've already said, but it could be mafia driven.
You think it couldn't?

It's literally me and HF

Which one of us is scum?

Hell HF is being useless. This is Palmar driven. Do you think my logic is off? Do you disagree with what I wrote in that big post on hopeless?


Nope, my phrasing was wrong. I think your case is legit but the following posts sheeping you may not be.
I've already said HF is scummy IMO. Btw in his scum play it is just like him to read someone as scum and then shifting his opinion. He did it awkwardly (in the way I see) with Haru and now he did it with me.


On September 26 2014 23:01 GlowingBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 18:32 Palmar wrote:
Filters time:

On September 25 2014 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
not much time tonight, but right now severely dislike glowingbear. Very shallow reads imo. HF's case wasnt terrible, it was misplaced. If haru couldnt prove he was actually sad about rolling blue I'd be voting for him right now. Since the case has obviously failed, why would HF stay with it? Thats ridiculous.

Then there's his scumlist...what the hell is that about. players have literally not even posted yet, but GB has solved the game? I dont buy that in the slightest.


That's reading way too much into something obviously thrown out as a wild guess. Like you're just creating talking points here.

On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:28 Hopeless1der wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:22 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
not much time tonight, but right now severely dislike glowingbear. Very shallow reads imo. HF's case wasnt terrible, it was misplaced. If haru couldnt prove he was actually sad about rolling blue I'd be voting for him right now. Since the case has obviously failed, why would HF stay with it? Thats ridiculous.

Then there's his scumlist...what the hell is that about. players have literally not even posted yet, but GB has solved the game? I dont buy that in the slightest.

I'll probably be gone until this time tomorrow but should be generally more active when I'm around during my evenings. (Just started a new job, dont want to play at work)


Because that's his scum read and if the case didn't go through he should be asking more questions to Haru to get more information?

Lol...

HF's case on Haru was literally based on one post that was demonstrably false using out-of-thread but public information. Again, why try to stick with such a case? Refusing to "overlook" (which is a strange way to phrase it btw) his case would be way more suspicious than dropping it like he already has. The fact that this seems suspicious to you makes YOU look suspicious to me.


Because it's easy, as scum, to pick on a tiny problem to bus a partner then drop the read.

That is so incredibly shallow. Unless I have found surefire scum tomorrow, I'm voting you just based off this interaction.


Why is it shallow? It's not particularly well explained but it's a perfectly valid observation. It makes Glowingbear dumb, but if glowingbear is mafia this is not why. Like I don't understand the connection that because GB is saying something stupid, or far-fetched, that he must be mafia?

On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
btw, fecalfeast is behaving pretty similar to last game imo. No reason to hate on him just yet. Palmar seems to have gotten upset that no one uses the voting thread to follow his policy and has taken up a silent protest. Sky is new to TL but not to mafia. I'd like to hear his (her?) thoughts on why d1 claimers usually got lynched on SK.
I'm gone for now, see you all later.



This feels like commentary with no conclusion. What's up with his comment on me here? Unless he's trying to be funny I just don't understand what the point here is.

I don't know. I'm getting literally zero townvibes from Hopeless this game.

Between doing very little, only committing to a single read (GB = Scum), then attempting to bury GB for what is at best very slightly scummy, I'd say Hopeless is a pretty good scum candidate today.

I'm gonna throw this out, then read some more filters and see what I come up with. Currently he's number 1 on my list.




First two quotes you've brought is slight scummy because he is hard scum reading me for things that aren't really indicative.

Third post makes him look useless because who the fuck cares for what SK people do as policy lynch? It's just him pretending to be contributive.


And then pretend that this is a reason to disagree with my read on Hopeless... is actually quite scummy in itself.
Computer says mafia
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 26 2014 16:08 GMT
#684
Nothing really. Anything in particular you want me to look into?
Minimal effort.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 26 2014 16:09 GMT
#685
Superbia I've played like 100 games of mafia. Sometimes I'm active, sometimes I'm inactive, sometimes I troll, sometimes I'm super cereal.

The point is, if you wanna judge me, do it on HOW I do things, not WHAT I do.

Computer says mafia
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 26 2014 16:10 GMT
#686
So people know where I stand

Mafia people:

StorrZerg
Hopeless

No one else has done much to make me want to lynch them. I wish JAT was playing more than he is, but meh.
Computer says mafia
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
September 26 2014 16:10 GMT
#687
On September 26 2014 10:08 SkyDragon wrote:
Of course I was. You guys play differently to what I'm used to. Hell, pushing someone to prove that they're not scum like what happened to you wouldn't have resulted in your opponent deflecting it and insisting that I prove to myself that you're not scum. Like what? Who says that? Lol.


I read enough to know that anyone who starts going 'yea I'm a newbie, don't understand you guys etc' are scum trying to make themselves look tow.
Sky joins the wolf club.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
September 26 2014 16:11 GMT
#688
On September 27 2014 01:07 HaruRH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 18:43 Palmar wrote:
There's nothing alignment indicative in HaruRH's posts. However he has two posts that make me angry we don't have a vigilante this game for clearing out trash. I wish he was dead.

He's a very, very good default lynch this game (that is, if somehow all our scumreads start looking townie-ish)

Evidence 1.

On September 25 2014 08:43 HaruRH wrote:
On September 25 2014 08:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh THANK GOD I'm town again! I hate rolling scum.

Ok, Haru, tell me what you think of holyflower by now


That 'case' on me was just backed up with bad evidence. So yea, let's wait and see. I am only going to post reads near end of d1.


"I'm not going to do anything until end of day 1, and thus be of no help"


Evidence 2.

On September 26 2014 00:02 HaruRH wrote:
I am coming out to say I won't be doing shit for this few days because I am going to lol worlds. You must expect lower activity (lower than my lowest activity games). However, I will find a worthy person to sheep. So far, given my observations, I would actually call GB WOLF.


Real life excuses should be policy lynches. Every time it's mafia making them for some reason.

Anyway, tbh that first post, if anything, sounds slightly more townie than scummy (the defiance that he is not going to cave in to pressure for reads and do things his way). It's a terrible way to play and it makes me a) not want to play with Haru, and b) want to kill Haru, but it is what it is, and I don't think he's a good lynch unless we have no other options.


for this post, palmar is town. People who played in fanfic would know why.


can you explain why?
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 26 2014 16:11 GMT
#689
On September 27 2014 01:09 Palmar wrote:
Superbia I've played like 100 games of mafia. Sometimes I'm active, sometimes I'm inactive, sometimes I troll, sometimes I'm super cereal.

The point is, if you wanna judge me, do it on HOW I do things, not WHAT I do.



What is your opinion on Fecal?
Minimal effort.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 26 2014 16:12 GMT
#690
On September 27 2014 01:11 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 01:09 Palmar wrote:
Superbia I've played like 100 games of mafia. Sometimes I'm active, sometimes I'm inactive, sometimes I troll, sometimes I'm super cereal.

The point is, if you wanna judge me, do it on HOW I do things, not WHAT I do.



What is your opinion on Fecal?


I haven't read him, and haven't noticed him yet.
Computer says mafia
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
September 26 2014 16:12 GMT
#691
Storr, it's not a pressure vote, it is a kill vote because, again, Haru is back giving reasons why he is busy and not actually playing the game.

Haru, bbylicious, this is nawt scumbear talking, dis is towniebear
I'm adorable.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
September 26 2014 16:13 GMT
#692
@palmar i think you have it back wards... I like hopeless reads on gb/fecal.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
September 26 2014 16:13 GMT
#693
On September 25 2014 11:11 GlowingBear wrote:
Why I think Haru is scum:

He doesn't want to talk much, not letting me getting reads:

Show nested quote +
On September 25 2014 08:43 HaruRH wrote:
On September 25 2014 08:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh THANK GOD I'm town again! I hate rolling scum.

Ok, Haru, tell me what you think of holyflower by now


That 'case' on me was just backed up with bad evidence. So yea, let's wait and see. I am only going to post reads near end of d1.


Why not talking? He should be helping us with reads day1.

Now, based on unflipped associations (WHICH IS BAD AND IT IS BEING CONSIDERED ONLY AS SECONDARY ARGUMENT): Haru and HF being scum make sense considering the bad case. HF makes a bad case on Haru which can be easily dropped off (like HF considered doing, "overlooking"), so he looks town for putting effort and Haru is no longer questioned after the case is dropped. Also, I can easily see Haru giving this idea on th mafia qt, presenting quotes to HF (this last one is EXTREME WIFOM, tho).

Haru is my weakest read


oh yea, lynching your weakest read is the best idea ever good job
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 26 2014 16:13 GMT
#694
Seriously why does no one want to like be my friend today.

This sucks.

We're not gonna lynch mafia unless you guys get your act together.
Computer says mafia
Superbia
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Netherlands8889 Posts
September 26 2014 16:14 GMT
#695
On September 27 2014 01:12 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 01:11 Superbia wrote:
On September 27 2014 01:09 Palmar wrote:
Superbia I've played like 100 games of mafia. Sometimes I'm active, sometimes I'm inactive, sometimes I troll, sometimes I'm super cereal.

The point is, if you wanna judge me, do it on HOW I do things, not WHAT I do.



What is your opinion on Fecal?


I haven't read him, and haven't noticed him yet.


Eh, fair enough. Can you read my case on him and his filter before EoD?
Minimal effort.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
September 26 2014 16:14 GMT
#696
On September 27 2014 01:08 Superbia wrote:
Nothing really. Anything in particular you want me to look into?


filter diving him now. only recalled 1 thing he said. figured i needed to update myself on him.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22633 Posts
September 26 2014 16:14 GMT
#697
On September 27 2014 01:13 StorrZerg wrote:
@palmar i think you have it back wards... I like hopeless reads on gb/fecal.

shit you're right.

meh, so you're not in mafia column then.

Still, you should vote hopeless with me.
Computer says mafia
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
September 26 2014 16:15 GMT
#698
On September 27 2014 01:13 Palmar wrote:
Seriously why does no one want to like be my friend today.

This sucks.

We're not gonna lynch mafia unless you guys get your act together.


read fecal then
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
HaruRH
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore2780 Posts
September 26 2014 16:15 GMT
#699
On September 27 2014 01:11 StorrZerg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 01:07 HaruRH wrote:
On September 26 2014 18:43 Palmar wrote:
There's nothing alignment indicative in HaruRH's posts. However he has two posts that make me angry we don't have a vigilante this game for clearing out trash. I wish he was dead.

He's a very, very good default lynch this game (that is, if somehow all our scumreads start looking townie-ish)

Evidence 1.

On September 25 2014 08:43 HaruRH wrote:
On September 25 2014 08:41 GlowingBear wrote:
Oh THANK GOD I'm town again! I hate rolling scum.

Ok, Haru, tell me what you think of holyflower by now


That 'case' on me was just backed up with bad evidence. So yea, let's wait and see. I am only going to post reads near end of d1.


"I'm not going to do anything until end of day 1, and thus be of no help"


Evidence 2.

On September 26 2014 00:02 HaruRH wrote:
I am coming out to say I won't be doing shit for this few days because I am going to lol worlds. You must expect lower activity (lower than my lowest activity games). However, I will find a worthy person to sheep. So far, given my observations, I would actually call GB WOLF.


Real life excuses should be policy lynches. Every time it's mafia making them for some reason.

Anyway, tbh that first post, if anything, sounds slightly more townie than scummy (the defiance that he is not going to cave in to pressure for reads and do things his way). It's a terrible way to play and it makes me a) not want to play with Haru, and b) want to kill Haru, but it is what it is, and I don't think he's a good lynch unless we have no other options.


for this post, palmar is town. People who played in fanfic would know why.


can you explain why?


he 'jokes' about hating policy lynches in fanfic when i called him out for loving policy lynches but stating he hates them in fanfic (he does this shit all the time) and now he isn't deciding on policy lynching me immediately. This feels town to me.
It is fucking D4 and you are still alive as a CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN. This is how fucking terrible scum thinks you are - Koshi
GlowingBear
Profile Joined May 2014
Brazil12446 Posts
September 26 2014 16:16 GMT
#700
On September 27 2014 01:07 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 27 2014 00:24 StorrZerg wrote:
On September 27 2014 00:15 Palmar wrote:
Like why take my word for it, you can make your own decision, right?


Are you uncomfortable with continuing to push your scum read?

I read that and have similar feelings as hopeless on other people. GB in particular. Fecal as well.



GB doesn't have any opinions on Hopeless. He hardly responded to what I wrote, and seemed more inclined to agree with me. His only opinion was associative reads based on people sheeping me, which has nothing to do with Hopeless.

And why do you think I'm uncomfortable pushing my read? I am literally doing just that.

I'm encouraging you to read his filter and tell me why he's town.

In fact I think this response, especially the part where you say you agree with GB's feelings on hopeless, which are summarized here:

Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 22:50 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 26 2014 22:46 Palmar wrote:
On September 26 2014 22:45 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 26 2014 22:43 Holyflare wrote:
Because I can be wrong, HF. Because I saw a sudden shift to hopeless, not in votes, but on arguments. And there is a possibility it's town realisation, but I'm afraid, for how the switch to hopeless was fast, that it could be also mafia driven. I think it's okay to have doubts on it. Don't you have? Do you have any information I don't?


How was there a sudden change at all? Palmar posted a case on like 3 ppl which we commented on and then he asked for hopeless read/comments


And then people just said "hey, hopeless is scum lololol".
This is the point I'm at.

I'm analysing scenarios, HF. He can be scum, as I've already said, but it could be mafia driven.
You think it couldn't?

It's literally me and HF

Which one of us is scum?

Hell HF is being useless. This is Palmar driven. Do you think my logic is off? Do you disagree with what I wrote in that big post on hopeless?


Nope, my phrasing was wrong. I think your case is legit but the following posts sheeping you may not be.
I've already said HF is scummy IMO. Btw in his scum play it is just like him to read someone as scum and then shifting his opinion. He did it awkwardly (in the way I see) with Haru and now he did it with me.


Show nested quote +
On September 26 2014 23:01 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 26 2014 18:32 Palmar wrote:
Filters time:

On September 25 2014 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
not much time tonight, but right now severely dislike glowingbear. Very shallow reads imo. HF's case wasnt terrible, it was misplaced. If haru couldnt prove he was actually sad about rolling blue I'd be voting for him right now. Since the case has obviously failed, why would HF stay with it? Thats ridiculous.

Then there's his scumlist...what the hell is that about. players have literally not even posted yet, but GB has solved the game? I dont buy that in the slightest.


That's reading way too much into something obviously thrown out as a wild guess. Like you're just creating talking points here.

On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:42 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:28 Hopeless1der wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:22 GlowingBear wrote:
On September 25 2014 12:19 Hopeless1der wrote:
not much time tonight, but right now severely dislike glowingbear. Very shallow reads imo. HF's case wasnt terrible, it was misplaced. If haru couldnt prove he was actually sad about rolling blue I'd be voting for him right now. Since the case has obviously failed, why would HF stay with it? Thats ridiculous.

Then there's his scumlist...what the hell is that about. players have literally not even posted yet, but GB has solved the game? I dont buy that in the slightest.

I'll probably be gone until this time tomorrow but should be generally more active when I'm around during my evenings. (Just started a new job, dont want to play at work)


Because that's his scum read and if the case didn't go through he should be asking more questions to Haru to get more information?

Lol...

HF's case on Haru was literally based on one post that was demonstrably false using out-of-thread but public information. Again, why try to stick with such a case? Refusing to "overlook" (which is a strange way to phrase it btw) his case would be way more suspicious than dropping it like he already has. The fact that this seems suspicious to you makes YOU look suspicious to me.


Because it's easy, as scum, to pick on a tiny problem to bus a partner then drop the read.

That is so incredibly shallow. Unless I have found surefire scum tomorrow, I'm voting you just based off this interaction.


Why is it shallow? It's not particularly well explained but it's a perfectly valid observation. It makes Glowingbear dumb, but if glowingbear is mafia this is not why. Like I don't understand the connection that because GB is saying something stupid, or far-fetched, that he must be mafia?

On September 25 2014 12:51 Hopeless1der wrote:
btw, fecalfeast is behaving pretty similar to last game imo. No reason to hate on him just yet. Palmar seems to have gotten upset that no one uses the voting thread to follow his policy and has taken up a silent protest. Sky is new to TL but not to mafia. I'd like to hear his (her?) thoughts on why d1 claimers usually got lynched on SK.
I'm gone for now, see you all later.



This feels like commentary with no conclusion. What's up with his comment on me here? Unless he's trying to be funny I just don't understand what the point here is.

I don't know. I'm getting literally zero townvibes from Hopeless this game.

Between doing very little, only committing to a single read (GB = Scum), then attempting to bury GB for what is at best very slightly scummy, I'd say Hopeless is a pretty good scum candidate today.

I'm gonna throw this out, then read some more filters and see what I come up with. Currently he's number 1 on my list.




First two quotes you've brought is slight scummy because he is hard scum reading me for things that aren't really indicative.

Third post makes him look useless because who the fuck cares for what SK people do as policy lynch? It's just him pretending to be contributive.


And then pretend that this is a reason to disagree with my read on Hopeless... is actually quite scummy in itself.


Palmar, I agreed with you. I just think lynching Haru is better.
I'm confused o.O
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