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On September 25 2014 13:27 Hapahauli wrote:
Also dealing with CR is extremely easy. We just promise as a town to lynch him if he doesn't use his power night 1.
That's my point. If VE doesn't flip red, then by your plan we can essentially be locked into 2 lynches with your plan instead of just 1. I don't like that at all when I'm not confident that you are town and that your read is actually solid.
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Idk, the CR situation probably applies regardless of who is lynched. I just wish that you made me feel all super town about you and that Oats or Damdred would make me think they're actually town.
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On September 25 2014 13:42 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 13:41 geript wrote:
Idk, the CR situation probably applies regardless of who is lynched. I just wish that you made me feel all super town about you and that Oats or Damdred would make me think they're actually town. No shit. I have to go to bed earlier than 6am tonight. Make your meta case on Damdred and I'll take a look tomorrow morning.
I don't really trust my meta read on him. Last time I went through 4-5 games and got his alignment all wrong. That's why I want you and DP and others to actually give feedback on what I said and on him. I feel like no matter what his alignment is I'm always going to find him scummy so I'd like outside opinions.
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On September 25 2014 14:33 Chairman Ray wrote:
##unvote
##vote Chairman Ray
This is how you want to play. Well now we just lynch the fuck out of you so you always lose. If I were a mod, I would've modkilled you for your play so far. Regardless of you getting any alignment, what you've done (or more appropriately not done) is entirely not acceptable. You will not win this game. Not with town. Not with Mafia. Not on your own. You just die.
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Most of the time when people pull this type of shit, they're fucking mafia. Let's just lynch him or maybe VE. Either one. Neither makes the other look better. I want to chain lynch both of them now, mostly CR. Chezinu has done this twice been mafia both times. Coag's done it a number of times (mostly as mafia). Seriously, if he doesn't want to play as any alignment then let's kick his ass out of the game. If this is your standard of play then seriously fucking go somewhere else. We don't want people who aren't going to at least attempt to win and put in some time.
GTFO
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On September 25 2014 14:54 Chairman Ray wrote:
What am I supposed to do?
Do you want to be lynched today? You don't get a free pass. DP is happy with you as a fallback lynch. I'll lynch the fuck out of you right now. I've got my 151. Vayn is happy lynching your ass. I doubt anyone actually gives a fuck about not lynching you. If you want to live, then you actually ahve to help town or else we throw the baby out with the bathwater.
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On September 25 2014 15:06 Chairman Ray wrote:
I'm not sure what this faction is even supposed to do in the game. I can be active and play town, but I win with either town or mafia, so there really isn't an incentive for me to help town or mafia. How I see it, this is just a 13 player game, where I'm a spectator that can talk. I also have an action that can interfere with the game, but it really doesn't change the outcome for me if I win either way.
Well here's how I see it. Since there isn't any incentive for you to help town or mafia, then you're mafia siding. Therefore you die. So enjoy losing because you feel there's no reason to play to your win condition of surviving.
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Say what you want DP, I still don't trust Hapa.
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Right now CR is probably mafia. Like him claiming the martyr 3P and then acting like this is insane. He has to realize that if he is alive on D2 we are lynching the ever living shit out of him. And since he feels like there's no reason for him to do anything whatsoever, there's no way he's in any way going to help town. There's literally no reason to think he's any sort of beneficial or semi-beneficial 3P.
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On the plus side, that makes VE more likely to be mafia.
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If you do not martyr on N1, we will 100% lynch you on D2. So would you like to help lynch scum?
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On September 25 2014 15:48 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 15:36 geript wrote:
Say what you want DP, I still don't trust Hapa. Maybe but he looks much more like I would expect and therefore better to me right now. I don't particularly want to lynch Hapa OR VE today. Talk to me about Damdred Geript. I felt like he asked some pretty crappy questions of me, and then rode that initial questioning to the bank. He rehashed the same questions a bunch, asked people about what they thought of me a bunch, and said he was waiting for me to respond a bunch. Doesn't really come across as genuine or effective scum-hunting. Thoughts?
I think the likeliest mafia/mafia pair is damdred/oats. I even just pointed out some shit about him at the top of the page. Right now with as ridiculously as CR is acting though, he might just actually be mafia and VE also be mafia. Part of the problem is I have no clue how to read Damdred as each and every time I've tried to read him I've thought he was scum and he was town. And each and every time he has no clue how to actually read me. So he might legitimately just be awful at reading me and a less experienced player. I just can't see how anything in his filter makes him town and I think there's good reason to think at least 1 person in each other group is town. Yes, deep down I still think CR is 3P but with how he's playing that's a crap shoot; and honestly I'm seriously betting not the martyr one.
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On September 25 2014 16:09 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 15:46 geript wrote:
If you do not martyr on N1, we will 100% lynch you on D2. So would you like to help lynch scum? I'm flattered that you think my reads are so good it's worth trading a lynch for.
Seeing as how you've given no reads, it's more a policy thing.
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Seriously CR, never ever play at TL again.
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On September 25 2014 16:15 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
I still don't think CR is mafia, he is most probably 3p, lynching him today does nothing unless he is the poisoner. I'd rather lynch Damdred
And he's admitted multiple times that he intends to do nothing. Lynch it.
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On September 25 2014 16:31 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 16:27 DarthPunk wrote:On September 25 2014 16:26 Chairman Ray wrote:On September 25 2014 16:24 DarthPunk wrote:On September 25 2014 16:20 Chairman Ray wrote:On September 25 2014 16:16 geript wrote:
Seriously CR, never ever play at TL again. You speak as though I joined this game just so I can afk. Whenever I roll town, I put in a lot of effort trying to hunt down scum. Whenever I roll mafia, I put in a lot of effort trying to get town mislynched. I really just have no clue what I'm supposed to do here in this 3p role. You're not being very helpful. Find mafia. Protect a townie. Pretty basic actually. I also win with mafia though. Even if I play super well and manage to pinpoint all 3 mafia, it doesn't change the outcome. You can also win with town. And the town knows you are third party, so if you don't try and help town why should we not lynch you? You lynch me when there's an incentive to lynch me, not when there's a lack of incentive not to lynch me. If I do absolutely nothing at all, then lynching me would be no different than a no-lynch, which is unfavorable for town. If I actually do play against town by disrupting the thread or posting reads on townroles or something, then there's an incentive to lynch me.
Enjoy getting lynched today then. You do nothing we 100% lynch you today. You don't martyr tonight, we 100% lynch you tomorrow. There's no grey line. Now since once you martyr, you have a town win condition, then you might want to start trying to figure out who mafia is. Because any help you can give to what your actual win condition will be would be appreciated. Otherwise, you can just lose now.
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On September 25 2014 16:44 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 16:43 geript wrote:On September 25 2014 16:31 Chairman Ray wrote:On September 25 2014 16:27 DarthPunk wrote:On September 25 2014 16:26 Chairman Ray wrote:On September 25 2014 16:24 DarthPunk wrote:On September 25 2014 16:20 Chairman Ray wrote:On September 25 2014 16:16 geript wrote:
Seriously CR, never ever play at TL again. You speak as though I joined this game just so I can afk. Whenever I roll town, I put in a lot of effort trying to hunt down scum. Whenever I roll mafia, I put in a lot of effort trying to get town mislynched. I really just have no clue what I'm supposed to do here in this 3p role. You're not being very helpful. Find mafia. Protect a townie. Pretty basic actually. I also win with mafia though. Even if I play super well and manage to pinpoint all 3 mafia, it doesn't change the outcome. You can also win with town. And the town knows you are third party, so if you don't try and help town why should we not lynch you? You lynch me when there's an incentive to lynch me, not when there's a lack of incentive not to lynch me. If I do absolutely nothing at all, then lynching me would be no different than a no-lynch, which is unfavorable for town. If I actually do play against town by disrupting the thread or posting reads on townroles or something, then there's an incentive to lynch me. Enjoy getting lynched today then. You do nothing we 100% lynch you today. You don't martyr tonight, we 100% lynch you tomorrow. There's no grey line. Now since once you martyr, you have a town win condition, then you might want to start trying to figure out who mafia is. Because any help you can give to what your actual win condition will be would be appreciated. Otherwise, you can just lose now. I basically agree with this concept, although I would much rather lynch scum today and have you be productive for the town.
I don't think anyone could possibly not see that role and not assume that they're essentially an innocent child that's forced to martyr N1. Hence why I think it's equally good to lynch him now.
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On September 25 2014 17:08 Chairman Ray wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2014 16:54 DarthPunk wrote:On September 25 2014 16:53 Chairman Ray wrote:
geript, you're still not making any sense. You're just threatening me to play a certain way when I still don't understand why I have to play that way. I don't see in any way how this role is an innocent child. I win with both town and mafia. I'm not a confirmed town. I'm a confirmed spectator. You have to play that way or the town will lynch you. If you hadn't claimed you could have done whatever the fuck you wanted. Now you have to play by our rules or die by our hands. Finally someone starts making sense. I have waited all night to hear this. 3rd party favor points for you DP! Right now I think lynching me is an empty threat. If you can prove otherwise, I'll have to help town in order to survive. The way I see it, I choose if I want to help town, help mafia, help both, or help neither. You are saying that I choose help town or I get lynched. My move will be to help neither. At this time you can either lynch me, which is harming town, or lynch normally, which is helping town. I don't think town will choose to lynch me.
Giving out "favor points" doesn't help you win. You're at most a team of 3. We're likely a team of 10. First off, your life is in our hands, not the other way around. You don't set the rules, we do. Your life in this game is at our leisure. Not the other way around. Coming on 36 hours, the only positive thing you've done is claim 3P. Perhaps you don't know this about TL, but we lynch 3P claims all the fucking time. Plus, in this game there's a 66% chance that you are detrimental to town. You've fucked up if you think that claiming alone protects you. It doesn't in any way. Us lynching you is not an empty threat. Me and DP will push this shit through. This is not a joke. This is not funny. You play by our rules or we kick you out.
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On September 25 2014 17:40 Chairman Ray wrote:
As I said, I am not going to start helping town if you are forcing me to help town or die. I'm more of a braveheart type of guy where you can take my life, but you cannot take my freedom.
But you do realize that lynching me is hurting town right? Town gains nothing from it, and you even lose a lynch. That's a pretty big detriment to town. So why are you doing this?
Lynching you does not hurt town. Sure it may not get mafia but we're good enough to do that without you. Plus, you're not likely to be the martyr by your play so far, so it actually is a 50/50 to save a random (most likely town) death. You want to win, then play to what win conditions you have left. Here's a hint, it involves reading and giving opinions.
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Oats the real problem I have with you is that now you actually look kinda town which means that one of my townreads is 100% wrong and I don't know which one.
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