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Hapahauli
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There are some newcomers that I'll have to take a look at right now. | ||
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Go read through one of VE's town-games and watch him flip-flop relentlessly on reads, be unsure of himself, build a case and then promptly back down due to peer pressure and no one listening to him... | ||
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Like the guy posts early in in this thread that he always reads me as mafia early. You'd think he'd be more mindful of this, but instead he's tunneling me as if he's 100% sure that he's right THIS TIME. How can someone have that confidence, much less a player like VE known for not having much thereof? Also, take a look at the way VE pushes me. He seems more interested in calling me mafia and me "flailing" than trying to figure out my alignment. | ||
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On September 25 2014 07:24 Damdred wrote: Ok hapa who do you think is the most scummy today so far and why besides ve? (I also take offense to being called a low poster this game when I have a decent sized filter with no filler from pregame!) You were at the time that VE made his read on you. And I can't say your 2.5 pages of filter is inspiring. Anyway, here's where I am: CR-VE I think VE is our solo mafia pairing, with CR being the blue. I think I've made my reasons clear by now. Hapa-Abuse Hello I am me. Abuse seems fine. He seems enthusiastic and ready to share his ideas. Liked this in particular: On September 25 2014 03:40 abuse wrote: You either share your gum with the entire class, or don't chew it in front of everybody. If I'm wrong about VE, I don't think abuse is the solo mafia. Vayne--DP I think this is a town-pairing. DP's push on me is annoying, but seems very genuine. He's interested in figuring out my alignment, is annoyed that I'm not telling him what he's expecting, etc. This stuff about the 3rd party makes me lean town on Vayne. His stance on lynching CR is so absolute that I find it hard to come from a mafia mindset. Grack--Kush/rightinthefeels Geript--MysteryMeat Oats--Damdred Prome--yam These are your plausible mafia pairings. I'm fairly null on the Grack/Kush pairing. There's nothing overtly bad I see in their filters, but nothing good either. Grack in particular is pretty forgettable this game. The Oats/Damdred pairing... leaning town. Mostly because of Oats. Oats seems to be doing his own thing and intermittedly calling people bad. As mafia, he tends to be much more "reasonable." Null on Damdred, 3 pages, largely forgettable. Prome/Yam... I think Yam is town. I have very mixed feelings on Prome. I think his first post is awful, and he basically wants to lynch 3 players who haven't posted at the time he made that post. I do think he is capable of such a post as town tough. So Prome is plausible mafia, but I do not think Yamato is part of a mafia pairing. Geript/MM - I'd wager this to be our mafia pairing right now, which I'll get to next post. | ||
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On September 25 2014 07:45 VisceraEyes wrote: Anyone can see that my play has changed dramatically over the period of time between when those games you quoted were played and now. But that's MUCH better Hapa. Much. ##Unvote Like your posts yesterday calling me mafia didn't say anything like that. Yamato's posts on the matter had no detail and because I disagree that my townplay lacks confidence I took it as him just seeing something that isn't there. But you're right, my play HAS changed that much I guess. Anyway I'm town, and I'm willing to not lynch you today based on that case. It's far more put together and detailed than I was expecting given you responses last night. How has your townplay changed that much? The fanfic game for example is markedly different from your gameplay here. In that game, you were overwhelmingly town-reading active players. In this game, you are overwhelmingly town-reading lurkers. | ||
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WP Damdred. WP. | ||
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I am always worried about going after lynchbait. But his play is pretty classic mafia right now... http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/467155-devils-riddle-mafia?user=MysteryMeat1 ...because this guy "doesn't like" everything he sees in the thread: On September 24 2014 11:44 MysteryMeat1 wrote: I actually dont like cr's play atm either. Hes roled mafia every game on tl, and complains everytime that he isnt town. I feel like he would be happier to play. Doesn't like CR's play On September 24 2014 11:57 MysteryMeat1 wrote: If i had to make a case, it would be town kush would have posted already? I dont think ive been in a game where kush was mafia iirc Nor Kush's lack of posting... On September 25 2014 03:38 MysteryMeat1 wrote: I don't really like VE, this game. Maybe his reads on me have changed since he found out my IRL identity, but i don't think he calls me town this early. My case on kush wasn't even serious when i posted it, and yet somehow i gained massive town points for it? ...nor VE... On September 25 2014 03:45 MysteryMeat1 wrote: I don't really like Hap, and i have no clue on DP. This is the first time i've ever played a game and probably the first time ive heard of him on TL ...nor myself... It seems like he just finds things "not to like", as opposed to actually trying to figure out the game. His filter is devoid of actual analysis beyond these "do not like" quips at random posts and players. Geript: I think I got too taken in by his performance last night. His play is lacking... madness. Geript is a player notorious for getting into insane arguments, tunnels, and confirmation bias with his targets. In this game, he is surprisingly... reasonable? But not in a good way. Take how his read evolves on me last night: On September 24 2014 14:58 geript wrote: This post feels a bit off to me. I don't think I've seen Hapa pressure someone for a reasonable play before then withdraw pressure so quickly. Idk, I just feel like as town he'd push grak a bit more to get a better read or until something more interesting came up. Here, my post is "off". On September 24 2014 15:14 geript wrote: This specifically bugs me. I think town Hapa would point out that, regardless of alignment, I would get a QT. Hapa lumping that in the scum pile makes me think he's not actually concerned with thinking about the game critically. My post here bugs geript... On September 24 2014 15:28 geript wrote: This post makes me really want to lynch the fuck out of Hapa. In my experience as mafia, it's far easier to create a believable narrative than it is to create a believable case. The fact that Hapa is pushing a narrative and using that specific quote as evidence feels exceptionally off. It's very weird of Hapa to let his "stonecold lock mafia read" be described as something as low as a "narrative." Maybe that's just semantics, but that's really odd. This post makes geript want to "lynch the fuck out of " me. So here the stage is set for a CLASSIC geript OMGUS tunnel. I would expect him to go off the rails here like in so many of his other games I have spectated/hosted recently. Yet... this doesn't happen. On September 24 2014 15:31 geript wrote: Boooh. Idk. I'll give Hapa more time. Still not a happy panda. Huhwat. On September 24 2014 15:48 geript wrote: Either way Hapa, what did you want to know. Right now I'm kinda in the mood to check Grack, you, DP and Yam off of the lynch list and look at other people. That actually narrows down the field pretty heavily. I won't lie and say I'm not half tempted to lynch the fuck out of Abuse to see if he flips red though. ...wait didn't one of my posts make you want to lynch the fuck out of me? The only thing that gives me some pause on Geript is this: On September 24 2014 16:02 geript wrote: To some extent it's the reminder from Yam, that Hapa does like his early game tunnels. To some extent it's just thinking that I'll be able to read Hapa more objectively when he's not tunneling me. To some extent it's Hapa's direction after tunneling me. I think he's kinda townreading you and yam; which makes him look at VE more. But that's a bit concerning now that I think about it because of the CR claim. This isn't making me think of him more positively which is yet another reason why I want to lynch the AFK Abuse. But I don't tend to have a good history of reading people correctly when they're tunneled on me unless it's already pretty mid-late game. Which I find a plausible explanation for why he's so calm about his read on me, and treating me as if I'm not lynch-able today. Not sure how likely it is, but the plausibility is the reason that I have my vote on VE right now. | ||
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On September 25 2014 08:16 geript wrote: Hapa, how in the fuck do you have a townread on Abuse. I don't see any player even Marv having any realistic sensible read on Abuse. You've quite literally been shield him all fucking game long. Explain how in the fuck he's town or we definitely are lynching you. I can elaborate. But first you need to answer how the fuck you have a town-read on MM1 | ||
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On September 25 2014 03:26 geript wrote: ... Prome feels towny but his initial post made me want to lynch him. MM1 looks slightly better from what he's posted in QT but not enough that I'm sold he's town yet. Abuse's entry make me happy to lynch him. ... Right before this: On September 25 2014 08:16 geript wrote: Hapa, how in the fuck do you have a townread on Abuse. I don't see any player even Marv having any realistic sensible read on Abuse. You've quite literally been shield him all fucking game long. Explain how in the fuck he's town or we definitely are lynching you. ...is a no no. | ||
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On September 25 2014 08:21 Damdred wrote: Hapa how many games have you played with MM? None. I have come across his play in readthroughs, hence I know he has a reputation for being an early lynch target. On September 25 2014 08:20 kushm4sta wrote: so hapa, your case on mm1 is he uses "i dont like" to call things scummy? Not really. He just seems to be indiscriminately calling things scummy. I don't care what language he uses to do it, it's just the fact that he's continuously posting these quips with the bare minimum of rationale, and with whatever the thread sentiment currently is at the moment. | ||
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On September 25 2014 08:24 kushm4sta wrote: I find posts like this really townie actually, because he is rapid fire giving off lots of scumhunting ideas that all make sense. Maybe he hasn't explained them but I'm sure he could. The individual post is fine. It's the pairing that's bad. | ||
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On September 25 2014 08:26 MysteryMeat1 wrote: So to clarify, the only two people that i didn't like where you and VE, and i gave you a better town read after your case on VE. So is VE your only scumread? And your reasons are...just my case? Or something else? | ||
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On September 25 2014 08:22 yamato77 wrote: lol if hapa already nailed the scum team just lol And you say that I"m buddying you >> Snarky comments aside, where do you stand on this game aside from VE? | ||
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On September 25 2014 08:30 yamato77 wrote: I like you, Prom, and Damdred for town. DP looks bad to me but he has yet to return so meh. What in particular is bad about DP? | ||
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On September 25 2014 08:32 yamato77 wrote: The holes I poked in his argument with you. Well at the same time, he doesn't have a reputation for reading me well. | ||
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On September 25 2014 08:36 yamato77 wrote: His mindset of "hapa is scum, and I'm going to spend all these posts calling him scum/arguing with him, but I won't lynch him d1" is just atrocious. In particular. Fair enough. May as well wait for him to get back anyway. | ||
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