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Damdred
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geript
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On September 25 2014 04:45 yamato77 wrote: Geript, how do you think I read VE? Magic 8 ball. No clue. I can't remember a game where I've seen how you read VE. For me, there's not a push from you that I can think of as more than just a prod to see how he responds. | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On September 25 2014 04:45 yamato77 wrote: Geript, how do you think I read VE? you keep asking questions like this. I don't think it's easier for town to answer. | ||
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geript
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On September 25 2014 04:46 Damdred wrote: Thats liek such a narrow focus for what 18 hours into the game? 21? Isn't it way to early for that? Meh, I think Yam is town; I'm prety sure Prome is town too. I pretty sure DP is town. I'm hook line and sinker that Grack is town; which is somewhat confirmed by the Prome/DP reading Kush as town. CR is most likely 3P. That narrows down the double mafia pair down quite well. | ||
yamato77
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geript
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On September 25 2014 04:55 yamato77 wrote: So those posts where I call VE mafia give you no clue? Coming from you, yes. You quite often just make these meh pushes that you often retract. | ||
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yamato77
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geript
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On September 25 2014 01:55 yamato77 wrote: Town VE wouldn't be this confident in an early D1 scum read : / On September 25 2014 01:57 yamato77 wrote: VE, y u gotta be mafia. On September 25 2014 02:01 yamato77 wrote: VE, we were townbros last game. You can't fool me with this forced confidence. Fake bravado is a hallmark of your scum play. Yes Yam. This is not a good push on VE. There's nothing that would convince anyone of 1. you being serious about it or more importantly 2. you being right. So yes, that why I specifically asked about VE's push and likened it to Nomination and Boardwalk. Yes that's why I'm actually fine with MM1 pushing on both Hapa and VE. I don't think either are obviously town (even thought I'm treating Hapa as if I have a green check on him right now). I just don't terribly love either and I'm not in any way sure that either are mafia. | ||
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yamato77
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Geript you show a distinct lack of sharpness. | ||
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VisceraEyes
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Hapahauli
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Everything about VE's play screams "false confidence". This is a quote from VE in Storm 2 mafia. On July 08 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: It's essentially that he felt the need to come in here and be seen interacting with people in the thread, but didn't say a single thing that could even be construed as an opinion. Everyone else who was active early on has continued to show signs of life, but mderg just made a few throwaway posts and then peaced out. ##Vote: mderg If anyone's got anything better I'm all ears, but I'm not interested in lynching any super active players at least this phase. It's counterproductive. Active players will eventually give you more to go on. It's very descriptive of his early town Day 1 play. Town VE likes going for people who aren't active and are not contributing. To go after me this confidently early on is really really unlike his town-play. And this is very consistent through his recent town-games. In LXVIII, he is on a lot of wagons, focusing mostly on Lurkers and newer players. First Fecalcast, then an inactive holyflare, then a brief OMGUS on Rayn before wanting to lynch an afk Palmar at the end of the day due to town consensus. In Storm 2, he tunnles mderg, a classic Day 1 lurker. In Neat and Tidy Mafia, he goes after MysteryMeat for early Day 1, who was inactive/lurkish/etc. In Normal Mini LVI, he reads SloOsh and BH as possibly mafia, but turns down voting them in favor of a lurkish player, mderg: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?page=14#262 The basic summary is that VE as town is not a player who confidently locks onto one player. He's a guy that's always mindful of inactives, has a self-awareness of his play and the rest of the game, to the point where he will drop his own reads to consolidate with the opinion of the town. To go after me (a vet, and the most active player in the game so far) so early and so confidently is so unlike his town-play. To instantly read two less-active players as town (MM and Damdred) so early into the game is borderline insanity for his town play. Take a look at this quote from VE's most recent town game (LXVIII): On September 15 2014 23:28 VisceraEyes wrote: I don't want to lynch rayn but I will if all my townies agree he's mafia. But frankly I don't want to lynch one of the Rock Stars either, so I don't like disagree with rayn. Palmar gave a TONE read. Does he do that? When did he die and become Robik? What's going on here? He reads rayn as town, but is self-aware enough of his own read-accuracy that he's willing to be bullied off of reads. YOSO Mafia contains my favorite example of this: On April 27 2014 05:46 VisceraEyes wrote: Like whatever you don't like my townread of Caller. Cool story bros. ##Unvote ##Vote: Caller Maybe you're right. The remainder of my posts will be about other players. Thank you for your patience and understanding. ...where VE literally gets bullied off of his town-read of Caller pages after he makes it. Self-awareness of his own accuracy, etc. So VE is so mindful of thread sentiment and the opinions of other townies that he can be bullied off of his own reads. Consistently. He'll even swap votes just because other people aren't agreeing with him without even changing his mind about his reads. VE is defined by confidence. And this confidence usually manifests itself through his reads. His early Day 1 play in Catastrophe Mafia: On April 03 2014 12:06 VisceraEyes wrote: iamperfection is saying all the right things to all the right people. #toptownmvpyoloswag420blazeit I'm town too, and we're going to wreck face. Get dominated scum. On April 03 2014 12:22 VisceraEyes wrote: It's suspicious because you could maybe be on a team with the person you're ignoring - or maybe trying to buddy them in some way. It's suspicious because it seems like you have information that the rest of us don't have, or at least I THINK that's what Killing is saying. I think you're town as fuck. On April 03 2014 12:25 VisceraEyes wrote: iamp, JAT and VE. Killing town too, maybe Wave, maybe sandroba. Maybe not sandroba. I'll lynch any lurker, including myself. Any questions? No? Good, everyone GO. Town reads everywhere. Really confident about them, but also very questionable logic. Tone is half-trollish, half-serious, and VE is appearing to play along with the thread. Sound familiar? This is exactly what he did in this game. Play along wiht the townie points thing, take a very half-serious/trollish tone, and dole out some incomprensibly confident town-reads on MM/Damdred for incomprehensible reasons. His confidence manifests itself in Carnival Cruise through his scum-reads. An initial super-confident push on WaveOfShadow: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/407685-carnival-cruise-mafia?page=22#435 Doesn't really drop his case on Wave, then pushes Oats: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/407685-carnival-cruise-mafia?page=23#443 Then, all aboard the VAYNE TRAIN! http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/407685-carnival-cruise-mafia?page=44#876 He's super-confident about all of his early pushes, and by the end of Day 1, thinks all of these players are mafia. Isn't necessarily going after lurkers, and is just indiscriminately going on people he can push cases on. | ||
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Hapahauli
United States9305 Posts
On September 24 2014 23:28 Damdred wrote: Also hapa, VE really was like this in the fanfic game, he gave out town passes like a pedophile gives out candy and he scum hunted from that. He was totes town that game, and hes acting pretty close to it. Ah this was what I was looking for. It is true that VE gave out a bunch of town-reads in the fanfic game. However it makes sense in the context of his town play. I'll pull up the quote from my case, from Storm 2 mafia: On July 08 2014 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: It's essentially that he felt the need to come in here and be seen interacting with people in the thread, but didn't say a single thing that could even be construed as an opinion. Everyone else who was active early on has continued to show signs of life, but mderg just made a few throwaway posts and then peaced out. ##Vote: mderg If anyone's got anything better I'm all ears, but I'm not interested in lynching any super active players at least this phase. It's counterproductive. Active players will eventually give you more to go on. Town VE wants to go after lurkers, not active players. As seen in Normal Mini Mafia LVI, he's actually a player that will turn down lynching a more active vet that he has clear suspicions on in favor of a less-active lurking player: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/mafia/458796-normal-mini-mafia-lvi?page=14#262 Now in the FanFic game, you'll notice that all of his "town-reads" are on the active players. On September 15 2014 10:02 VisceraEyes wrote: For the moment, I'm referring to everyone in the above conversation as the "Rock Stars" and they're all off limits for lynch today. Like all of them. Thank you for your understanding. VE quoted this as if it described his play this game. It does not. VE literally states that everyone ACTIVE IN THE DISCUSSION of the fanfic game is not lynchable. This is 100% consistent with town VE's approach - ignore actives, lynch inactives. In this game, it is the opposite. Lynch actives, town-read inactives. | ||
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Hapahauli
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There are some newcomers that I'll have to take a look at right now. | ||
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yamato77
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Hapahauli
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Go read through one of VE's town-games and watch him flip-flop relentlessly on reads, be unsure of himself, build a case and then promptly back down due to peer pressure and no one listening to him... | ||
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geript
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On September 25 2014 06:33 yamato77 wrote: Hapa saying exactly what I thought in long form. This might be true. It does make me feel a lot better about hapa. | ||
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Damdred
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