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I kinda wish that DP and Hapa had gone at it thinking each other were scum. I'd be able to read them both better off for it.
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On September 24 2014 15:16 yamato77 wrote:
what do you think of me?
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You don't give me a hardon at the moment which make me a sad panda.
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On September 24 2014 13:26 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 11:44 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
I actually dont like cr's play atm either. Hes roled mafia every game on tl, and complains everytime that he isnt town. I feel like he would be happier to play. Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 11:58 MysteryMeat1 wrote:
@Haphauli
I believe it. He claimed early and no cc atm I'm a bit confused about this. The first quote seems to imply that CR might be mafia right?
This makes me feel really good about my Grack read.
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On September 24 2014 13:27 Hapahauli wrote:Honestly DP, you don't even have to understand my case beyond what Damdred said: Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:On September 24 2014 12:51 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 12:04 Grackaroni wrote:
I can get behind a Geript lynch
##Vote: Geript Why? What is so convincing about hapa's case on geript that makes you able to get behind a lynch on him? Geript's posts just feel really awkward to me so I guess I like Hapa's narrative. Not realizing he has a qt doesn't really help his case. Think about how awkard geript's posts sound in the context of the thread. There is a clear conversation topic that everyone is discussing (CR's claim), then he enters the thread and posts completely useless crap, then a summary post of pairings. Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 13:23 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:22 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:14 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:12 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:10 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:08 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:07 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:03 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:00 DarthPunk wrote:
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Correct there was no evidence. A townie would question Yamato for that. Hell the first thing I thought when I read that was "why?" but you just ignored it. That is scummy.
Vayne could very well be scum. He basically has a hard on for lynching the least threatening third party we could have in this game.
I mean, sure, I could lynch third party. But I would want to try and lynch mafia first.
Ok. Given that Yamato and I have an extensive history, why should I feel remotely threatened by something he does all the time? There are things not worth caring about. For some reason, you think my meta is that I"m reactionary to every time my name is mentioned. Which is far from the truth. No i think your meta is to try and figure out why people do/say stuff and there is a distinct lack of that. I also think your geript case looks and feels contrived, none of your stated explanations for scum!geript are that convincing and yet you are confident in your read for a reason I can't fathom. For someone who hates bad meta cases, you are really bad at meta. Or I am amazing and you are scum :D Which do you think is more likely? I think you are scum. This is going nowhere. Let me know when you're ready to do productive things. Like lynching geript. I'm being productive. Why don't you try and convince me of geript being scum if you are so certain? See: above I generally don't care to argue with the one person in every one of my town games that always finds me scummy on day 1. It's a chore, and a waste of my time given that everyone else will read me as town.
This post makes me really want to lynch the fuck out of Hapa. In my experience as mafia, it's far easier to create a believable narrative than it is to create a believable case. The fact that Hapa is pushing a narrative and using that specific quote as evidence feels exceptionally off. It's very weird of Hapa to let his "stonecold lock mafia read" be described as something as low as a "narrative." Maybe that's just semantics, but that's really odd.
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On September 24 2014 13:44 yamato77 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 13:41 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:40 yamato77 wrote:
DP tryharding is adorable. What you think of hapa yamato? Give reasons. Hapa likes his early game tunnels. Yes he does.
Boooh. Idk. I'll give Hapa more time. Still not a happy panda.
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What are your exact thoughts on Hapa Yam?
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On September 24 2014 15:17 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 15:14 geript wrote:On September 24 2014 12:19 yamato77 wrote:On September 24 2014 11:42 geript wrote:
Nm I lied. I have a QT. Just missed it. lol this is why hapa On September 24 2014 12:33 Hapahauli wrote:
That too. This specifically bugs me. I think town Hapa would point out that, regardless of alignment, I would get a QT. Hapa lumping that in the scum pile makes me think he's not actually concerned with thinking about the game critically. I think the reasoning there is that you're more likely to not notice a 2nd qt as scum than to not notice you got a qt as town.
No this is a bad line of thinking. I said I didn't have a QT. Then I said, "oh I missed it." Like, me missing 2 QTs would be ridiculous. If I were mafia, I would've checked out the OP far more thoroughly than I have just to understand the setup as it's surprisingly odd.
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On September 24 2014 14:03 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 13:54 yamato77 wrote:On September 24 2014 13:49 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:46 yamato77 wrote:
It's good to know that you still don't know the patterns to Hapa's play. I'm not saying the statement is untrue. I know first hand it is. I'm saying your input is garbage as in worthless. You didn't answer the question. Why would I suspect Hapa for doing something I downright know he's going to do? ... Why would YOU suspect him on this basis if you supposedly know it's true? Your scumread of him is garbage. Laughable, really. And then you don't even have the balls to back it up, you just limp away saying "I'll lynch you TOMORROW if I still think you're scum!" "Don't kill valuable townies D1" LOLOL then why did you even make the case. Because I want to figure out if I am correct in my suspicions. I do that by pressuring him. Then, when I create something to talk about with that pressure I ask people what they think of it to figure out THEIR alignments. So that is why when I ask you a QUESTION RELATED TO THE DISCUSSION IN THE THREAD could you please answer it? Further Hapa tunnels in the early game but usually they are more inquisitive and less, well, bad. But hey, I haven't played with him for like a year so I could be wrong. Which is why I, and this is hilarious, Pressure him and ask others questions. Shocking I know.
??? This makes no sense to me. I think if you read the exchange carefully I think you can get some stuff to look at, but this post just feels like utter and complete bullshit.
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It's kinda funny though, I think DP is town for all that bullshit. Like, I feel like when I've seen DP be mafia, his bullshit seems to have more of a purpose behind it.
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On September 24 2014 15:42 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 15:40 geript wrote:
It's kinda funny though, I think DP is town for all that bullshit. Like, I feel like when I've seen DP be mafia, his bullshit seems to have more of a purpose behind it. You flatter me geript. I think I may blush.
This is coming from me. My general D1 plan is to flounder until I feel like I've hit something of note. Like when I've seen you be mafia you tend to actually try and push something hard is some completely bullshitty type of way. It's why I was swinging towards mafia in the VS game towards the end of the day and after I died.
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Either way Hapa, what did you want to know. Right now I'm kinda in the mood to check Grack, you, DP and Yam off of the lynch list and look at other people. That actually narrows down the field pretty heavily. I won't lie and say I'm not half tempted to lynch the fuck out of Abuse to see if he flips red though.
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On September 24 2014 15:43 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 15:39 geript wrote:On September 24 2014 14:03 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:54 yamato77 wrote:On September 24 2014 13:49 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:46 yamato77 wrote:
It's good to know that you still don't know the patterns to Hapa's play. I'm not saying the statement is untrue. I know first hand it is. I'm saying your input is garbage as in worthless. You didn't answer the question. Why would I suspect Hapa for doing something I downright know he's going to do? ... Why would YOU suspect him on this basis if you supposedly know it's true? Your scumread of him is garbage. Laughable, really. And then you don't even have the balls to back it up, you just limp away saying "I'll lynch you TOMORROW if I still think you're scum!" "Don't kill valuable townies D1" LOLOL then why did you even make the case. Because I want to figure out if I am correct in my suspicions. I do that by pressuring him. Then, when I create something to talk about with that pressure I ask people what they think of it to figure out THEIR alignments. So that is why when I ask you a QUESTION RELATED TO THE DISCUSSION IN THE THREAD could you please answer it? Further Hapa tunnels in the early game but usually they are more inquisitive and less, well, bad. But hey, I haven't played with him for like a year so I could be wrong. Which is why I, and this is hilarious, Pressure him and ask others questions. Shocking I know. ??? This makes no sense to me. I think if you read the exchange carefully I think you can get some stuff to look at, but this post just feels like utter and complete bullshit. Why exactly is that post bullshit by the way? What exactly is bullshit about it?
It just feels like you're trying to over explain something that doesn't ever need to be explained. Either way, for right now I'm not terribly interested in lynching you.
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On September 24 2014 15:49 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 15:48 geript wrote:
Either way Hapa, what did you want to know. Right now I'm kinda in the mood to check Grack, you, DP and Yam off of the lynch list and look at other people. That actually narrows down the field pretty heavily. I won't lie and say I'm not half tempted to lynch the fuck out of Abuse to see if he flips red though. Abuse will posts when he posts. Regardless, it's better to vig an AFK player than waste a lynch on him. From the OP, it's likely town has KP.
Yah but of the vets other than VE, I think you're the most likely to flip mafia imo. So lynching an AFK actually gives us better information on who to shoot.
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On September 24 2014 15:50 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 15:46 geript wrote:On September 24 2014 15:42 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 15:40 geript wrote:
It's kinda funny though, I think DP is town for all that bullshit. Like, I feel like when I've seen DP be mafia, his bullshit seems to have more of a purpose behind it. You flatter me geript. I think I may blush. This is coming from me. My general D1 plan is to flounder until I feel like I've hit something of note. Like when I've seen you be mafia you tend to actually try and push something hard is some completely bullshitty type of way. It's why I was swinging towards mafia in the VS game towards the end of the day and after I died. I'm not sure describing everything I do as both alignments as bullshit is working for me. Like I have no idea what you are actually saying aside from I sound town this game because I have less direction compared to my scum games. If that is actually all you are saying and just feel the need to call me bullshit a ton then that makes sense. If you actually mean something further however could you like, extrapolate? Thanks
I don't think everything you do as either alignment is bullshit. My experience though is that you often create an opening as either alignment. Often you make a mountain out of a mole hill. Or get in a shitfight. Or anything else. Some way to create motion in the thread and you don't care quite who it's about. What follows is more important to me but I think to some extent you can be read by how you "create motion in the thread" so to speak.
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On September 24 2014 15:53 Hapahauli wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 15:51 geript wrote:On September 24 2014 15:49 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 15:48 geript wrote:
Either way Hapa, what did you want to know. Right now I'm kinda in the mood to check Grack, you, DP and Yam off of the lynch list and look at other people. That actually narrows down the field pretty heavily. I won't lie and say I'm not half tempted to lynch the fuck out of Abuse to see if he flips red though. Abuse will posts when he posts. Regardless, it's better to vig an AFK player than waste a lynch on him. From the OP, it's likely town has KP. Yah but of the vets other than VE, I think you're the most likely to flip mafia imo. So lynching an AFK actually gives us better information on who to shoot. Not really. You'd want to lynch someone, shoot the AFK, then use that information to determine whether or not his partner is worth looking into. It's just so hard to get good information out of an AFK lynch, since the reasons are so straightforward.
My experience when that happens is that the gunholders tend to think big rather than think productive. So quite often AFKers end up getting left around because town assumes they'll be shot or modkilled. I'd rather nip that shit in the bud and just delete and AFKer.
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Holy shit. If my townreads are right, then that means that CR/VE must both be mafia. Ugh.
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On September 24 2014 15:57 DarthPunk wrote:Wait geript. How did you get from this post: Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 15:28 geript wrote:On September 24 2014 13:27 Hapahauli wrote:Honestly DP, you don't even have to understand my case beyond what Damdred said: On September 24 2014 13:04 Grackaroni wrote:On September 24 2014 12:51 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 12:04 Grackaroni wrote:
I can get behind a Geript lynch
##Vote: Geript Why? What is so convincing about hapa's case on geript that makes you able to get behind a lynch on him? Geript's posts just feel really awkward to me so I guess I like Hapa's narrative. Not realizing he has a qt doesn't really help his case. Think about how awkard geript's posts sound in the context of the thread. There is a clear conversation topic that everyone is discussing (CR's claim), then he enters the thread and posts completely useless crap, then a summary post of pairings. On September 24 2014 13:23 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:22 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:14 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:12 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:10 DarthPunk wrote:On September 24 2014 13:08 Hapahauli wrote:On September 24 2014 13:07 DarthPunk wrote:
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No i think your meta is to try and figure out why people do/say stuff and there is a distinct lack of that. I also think your geript case looks and feels contrived, none of your stated explanations for scum!geript are that convincing and yet you are confident in your read for a reason I can't fathom.
For someone who hates bad meta cases, you are really bad at meta. Or I am amazing and you are scum :D Which do you think is more likely? I think you are scum. This is going nowhere. Let me know when you're ready to do productive things. Like lynching geript. I'm being productive. Why don't you try and convince me of geript being scum if you are so certain? See: above I generally don't care to argue with the one person in every one of my town games that always finds me scummy on day 1. It's a chore, and a waste of my time given that everyone else will read me as town. This post makes me really want to lynch the fuck out of Hapa. In my experience as mafia, it's far easier to create a believable narrative than it is to create a believable case. The fact that Hapa is pushing a narrative and using that specific quote as evidence feels exceptionally off. It's very weird of Hapa to let his "stonecold lock mafia read" be described as something as low as a "narrative." Maybe that's just semantics, but that's really odd. Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 15:48 geript wrote:
Either way Hapa, what did you want to know. Right now I'm kinda in the mood to check Grack, you, DP and Yam off of the lynch list and look at other people. That actually narrows down the field pretty heavily. I won't lie and say I'm not half tempted to lynch the fuck out of Abuse to see if he flips red though. To this post. What are the reasoning/ thoughts that changed your mind?
To some extent it's the reminder from Yam, that Hapa does like his early game tunnels. To some extent it's just thinking that I'll be able to read Hapa more objectively when he's not tunneling me. To some extent it's Hapa's direction after tunneling me. I think he's kinda townreading you and yam; which makes him look at VE more. But that's a bit concerning now that I think about it because of the CR claim. This isn't making me think of him more positively which is yet another reason why I want to lynch the AFK Abuse. But I don't tend to have a good history of reading people correctly when they're tunneled on me unless it's already pretty mid-late game.
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On September 24 2014 16:00 Grackaroni wrote:Show nested quote +On September 24 2014 15:57 geript wrote:
Holy shit. If my townreads are right, then that means that CR/VE must both be mafia. Ugh. nah there's still the Oats/Damdred group left out ##Vote: Oatsmaster
oh I whatever. I need sleep. and right when a wild VE appears.
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I don't think Grack would suggest pairs by sign up order if he were mafia. That's weak though. After reading the thread and his filter I had other reasons and forgot them.
Ps. Should I leave the covers off tonight?
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