EPTOn October 09 2014 03:24 Rad wrote:
@The_Zen_Man
Your entire case against superbia is based on this idea that he didn't give reasons for why he thinks loaf is town. You try to downplay his efforts by claiming he did nothing of worth until he made a case. This is an extremely easy angle to attack him from and it completely misses the point.
The objective for town is to FIND THE SCUM. Scum hunt first and foremost, theorycraft after. How do you think scum hunting works? I'll tell you... by looking for areas of suspicion and following up on them.
What have you done the entire game?
1. Piggy backed on other people's ideas.
No need for me to go into the whole abuse/loaf aspect, as it's been beaten to death already. Your main argument now though is just copying me from early game:
He's already answered that indirectly. It's hard to see if you're not engaged in the thread, and scum are most likely to be disengaged.
(I'm reading the thread updates as I write this and I see Super has just pointed this out, even using similar terminology. Whatever, someone will jump on this as me piggy backing on super but it explains why I dropped that pressure on him so... point stands)
2. Constantly explain what town is supposed to do.
Seriously, this is the bulk of your posts. See: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM
3. 0 scum hunting
This is the kicker for me. I pointed this out before and urged you to interact more, but it hasn't changed. You still haven't scum hunted, only theorycrafted. Theorycrafting is the easy part, especially in newbie games. Scum hunting is difficult and requires pushing and adjusting to the situation as it changes. You've just sat back and passed judgement while complaining that there's no content and claiming that people who are scum hunting are scummy for it.
I was waiting for you to come back into this thread and drive the conversation before making my conclusion. Instead you've made a terrible case and done nothing else.
##Vote: The_Zen_Man
@The_Zen_Man
Your entire case against superbia is based on this idea that he didn't give reasons for why he thinks loaf is town. You try to downplay his efforts by claiming he did nothing of worth until he made a case. This is an extremely easy angle to attack him from and it completely misses the point.
The objective for town is to FIND THE SCUM. Scum hunt first and foremost, theorycraft after. How do you think scum hunting works? I'll tell you... by looking for areas of suspicion and following up on them.
What have you done the entire game?
1. Piggy backed on other people's ideas.
No need for me to go into the whole abuse/loaf aspect, as it's been beaten to death already. Your main argument now though is just copying me from early game:
He's already answered that indirectly. It's hard to see if you're not engaged in the thread, and scum are most likely to be disengaged.
(I'm reading the thread updates as I write this and I see Super has just pointed this out, even using similar terminology. Whatever, someone will jump on this as me piggy backing on super but it explains why I dropped that pressure on him so... point stands)
2. Constantly explain what town is supposed to do.
Seriously, this is the bulk of your posts. See: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM
3. 0 scum hunting
This is the kicker for me. I pointed this out before and urged you to interact more, but it hasn't changed. You still haven't scum hunted, only theorycrafted. Theorycrafting is the easy part, especially in newbie games. Scum hunting is difficult and requires pushing and adjusting to the situation as it changes. You've just sat back and passed judgement while complaining that there's no content and claiming that people who are scum hunting are scummy for it.
I was waiting for you to come back into this thread and drive the conversation before making my conclusion. Instead you've made a terrible case and done nothing else.
##Vote: The_Zen_Man
Ok, finally got around to talking about this post and rad in general.
First of all, you seem to have not read my case, as it is based on much more than that one single point. I had several points you seem to convenietly ignore, namely the breska angle that super and you just seem to dodge or try to brush off without really giving an answer. Funny how you can miss aspects in threads and get no criticism, but i get it for every little thing i do. It's very scumlike to do this, ignoring facts to suit your need. Town seeks the truth, scum seeks stuff to fit their picture better.
Now, you say that the objective of town is scum hunting and looking for areas of suspicion. That's exactly what I was trying to do with my posts on loaf. Whether you say i copied or not, the fact reamains that i did have my own argument.
Moving on, I had one question that was really not answered that you had a variety of, and this makes me scum? This was btw a very small part of my case, not even the main point, but as it seems to be, you get a free pass on not reading the whole thread.
Now, on to the part where i think you look scummy, it begins here with you saying that I constantly explain what town do, which is a WIFOM. But when super does it you convenietly look the other way from it, and yes he has done it many times. Looking the other way one place while calling someone out for that same thing is very scum behaviour.
You then go on to tell me that I should do more scum hunting, while you are one of the ones that have probably done the least of that this while game. Most of what you did was basically calling others to be more active and scum hunt, then basically sit back and let others post cases until very close to deadline you post this.
Also, I find this very interesting:
Why are you so hell bent on getting the votes for zen at this stage? Why is your vote not enough while we wait for zen to reply?
You say that it is better to wait and hear my response before making a decisions, but just a few posts after, before I had come back yet, you decide to go against yourself and FoS me. This sudden change is really scummy, and I'm not sure why you would suddenly just flip your stance like that. Probably because the case on me got wind and you wanted to score some town points with the ones that had supported the case.
