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The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
October 08 2014 20:42 GMT
#371
On October 09 2014 03:24 Rad wrote:
@The_Zen_Man

Your entire case against superbia is based on this idea that he didn't give reasons for why he thinks loaf is town. You try to downplay his efforts by claiming he did nothing of worth until he made a case. This is an extremely easy angle to attack him from and it completely misses the point.

The objective for town is to FIND THE SCUM. Scum hunt first and foremost, theorycraft after. How do you think scum hunting works? I'll tell you... by looking for areas of suspicion and following up on them.

What have you done the entire game?

1. Piggy backed on other people's ideas.

No need for me to go into the whole abuse/loaf aspect, as it's been beaten to death already. Your main argument now though is just copying me from early game:

Show nested quote +
On October 07 2014 11:55 Rad wrote:
@Superbia and @Fecalfeast - why so quick to jump on loafery being town?


Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 02:17 The_Zen_Man wrote:
Why did you say loaf was town without giving any explanation as to why?


He's already answered that indirectly. It's hard to see if you're not engaged in the thread, and scum are most likely to be disengaged.

(I'm reading the thread updates as I write this and I see Super has just pointed this out, even using similar terminology. Whatever, someone will jump on this as me piggy backing on super but it explains why I dropped that pressure on him so... point stands)

2. Constantly explain what town is supposed to do.

Seriously, this is the bulk of your posts. See: http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM

3. 0 scum hunting

This is the kicker for me. I pointed this out before and urged you to interact more, but it hasn't changed. You still haven't scum hunted, only theorycrafted. Theorycrafting is the easy part, especially in newbie games. Scum hunting is difficult and requires pushing and adjusting to the situation as it changes. You've just sat back and passed judgement while complaining that there's no content and claiming that people who are scum hunting are scummy for it.

I was waiting for you to come back into this thread and drive the conversation before making my conclusion. Instead you've made a terrible case and done nothing else.

##Vote: The_Zen_Man

Ok, finally got around to talking about this post and rad in general.

First of all, you seem to have not read my case, as it is based on much more than that one single point. I had several points you seem to convenietly ignore, namely the breska angle that super and you just seem to dodge or try to brush off without really giving an answer. Funny how you can miss aspects in threads and get no criticism, but i get it for every little thing i do. It's very scumlike to do this, ignoring facts to suit your need. Town seeks the truth, scum seeks stuff to fit their picture better.

Now, you say that the objective of town is scum hunting and looking for areas of suspicion. That's exactly what I was trying to do with my posts on loaf. Whether you say i copied or not, the fact reamains that i did have my own argument.

Moving on, I had one question that was really not answered that you had a variety of, and this makes me scum? This was btw a very small part of my case, not even the main point, but as it seems to be, you get a free pass on not reading the whole thread.

Now, on to the part where i think you look scummy, it begins here with you saying that I constantly explain what town do, which is a WIFOM. But when super does it you convenietly look the other way from it, and yes he has done it many times. Looking the other way one place while calling someone out for that same thing is very scum behaviour.

You then go on to tell me that I should do more scum hunting, while you are one of the ones that have probably done the least of that this while game. Most of what you did was basically calling others to be more active and scum hunt, then basically sit back and let others post cases until very close to deadline you post this.

Also, I find this very interesting:

Why are you so hell bent on getting the votes for zen at this stage? Why is your vote not enough while we wait for zen to reply?


You say that it is better to wait and hear my response before making a decisions, but just a few posts after, before I had come back yet, you decide to go against yourself and FoS me. This sudden change is really scummy, and I'm not sure why you would suddenly just flip your stance like that. Probably because the case on me got wind and you wanted to score some town points with the ones that had supported the case.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
October 08 2014 20:51 GMT
#377
Here is a list of what i think of the people here:

Very scummy: Super, Rad
Scummy: FF, loaf
Null: Elvis, Dust, breshke
Townie: Abuse

Reasoning: I agree with what other write about FF, thought i don't have time to write more specifics. The Null people really haven't given me much to go on. Abuse i read as town because of how he really started posting content in a time when basically no one else posted anything of worth. The rest are the same reasonings as my previous posts.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
October 08 2014 20:59 GMT
#382
On October 09 2014 05:35 Superbia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2014 05:22 Fecalfeast wrote:
Zen man:scum, everyone has said it already, if someone wants a post specifically from me about zen i can do that. My vote stays put as of now. It is starting to worry me that nobody is vehemently against the wagon, though.


Most of voters right now are on my townlist, I'm happy. But if he flips town I'm going to have to re-evaluate the whole game. At the moment I'm living in the fairy dream world in which zen's going to flip scum and we win on d2.


Well, seeing as you need to kill more than just 3 townies, you need more than d2, scum.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
October 08 2014 21:00 GMT
#384
I just want to point out how strange it is that people started voting for me without even giving me a chance to hear my defense beforehand (FF and Rad).
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
October 08 2014 21:00 GMT
#386
On October 09 2014 05:59 Superbia wrote:
Feeling a little iffy, but cross your fingers boys!


Confirmed mafia, they are all superstitious, lol!
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
October 08 2014 21:08 GMT
#393
Well, that was a short time played, though it was fun getting some of the old mafia action. Hope you guys do well here, and goodluck.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
October 14 2014 21:07 GMT
#1021
Knew you guy were scum. Aside from super my reads were pretty spot on. Anyways congrats on the win.
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
October 14 2014 21:08 GMT
#1023
Also, do you guys have mafia qt?
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
October 14 2014 21:12 GMT
#1026
On October 15 2014 06:10 Rad wrote:
Scum QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/aEkAM4Mae5U2z

Wow, you had some disturbing thoughts about me.....
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
October 15 2014 12:50 GMT
#1153
On October 15 2014 19:23 loafery wrote:
I don't see why you have to be a good player to enjoy playing mafia...I wouldn't quit playing mafia because you lost a game. Cheer up mate.

^This. You can always improve your reads and thoughts. Also, just because you had bad reads one game dosen't mean you are a bad player. It might have just been bad luck. Also, don't feel bad if someone misreads you. Hell, i was myslynched this time for a misread and I still want to play more mafia. So if you think this was fun but you were bad at it, just keep playing. Even if you are bad at it, the fun is still there.



On a sidenote, long time no see marvellosity! You were in my first mafia game here about 2 years ago. Still the best game I have played, was the reason i wanted to get back in. We got mafia good on that one
The_Zen_Man
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden202 Posts
October 15 2014 13:58 GMT
#1155
On October 15 2014 22:49 marvellosity wrote:
Pretty sure all I did was make a megacase on a townie though

Got carried hard by others.


Nah, you were good. Mafia wanted you dead, that's how you know you are doing well
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