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Does Soup only reveal playername given a successful initial Soup and a failed followup Soup? | ||
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Obviously we should be very wary of claiming. Besides that if someone could tell me how to fix the font on my screen that would be great as it's really annoying to read in a different type than what you've been used to. | ||
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On September 04 2014 08:20 geript wrote: I like this point. HarURH is my second lynch of choice currently. Please explain in your words why HaruRH is likely to be scum. | ||
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On September 04 2014 08:26 geript wrote: Look at how he's approaching the grail. It's a very odd series of thoughts; more importantly, it's far less likely to come from town that "X and Y are super important for town to win, let's give X and Y the grail" without any questions as to whether or not they're actually town. Plus the "grail bearer is going to die automatically, so lets give it to X and Y important people" isn't exactly a logical thought process. Ehh I don't think HaruRH is mafia for that given how his next post talks about the martyr saving that person. I disagree with your interpretation. | ||
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On September 04 2014 08:35 geript wrote: Why do you think his talk about martyr saving the bearer makes his town? I think that your second claim of "grail bearer is going to die so let's give it to important people" is a caricature of what HaruRH said, and I think his followup post of having the martyr save the grail holder such that we don't lose both grail and strong player in one go is a reasonable one to hold. | ||
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gobbledydook, who should we give the grail to and why? | ||
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On September 04 2014 08:47 gobbledydook wrote: geript is a very reasonable man. I also think we should give it to him. geript doesn't seem like someone who would go full retard like robik. I trust he will use his powers wisely. ##HolyGrail: geript Even though you disagree with his first read? Please explain. | ||
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On September 04 2014 08:54 gobbledydook wrote: geript ninja'ed me. I was talking about how ridiculous robiks 'verbose' scumread of me was. I'm confused so I'll ask again. You voted geript to hold the grail. You also disagreed with his read on HaruRH. I'm curious why you would want to give the grail to someone whose reads differ from you. | ||
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Guys, please try to condense your posts / refrain from posting side comments to reduce spam. It affects how well we can re-read thread in the future. Also if possible please cut down on the cussing. It seems unnecessary. As for claiming roles before death, I'm not too sure how that benefits us to do so. I feel like the difference it would make is near endgame but I think it would assist in Witch Soup combos more than benefiting town somehow. Additionally, not too sure what we are trying to do with the Oracle night alignments. For us to use the information the Oracle receives, he essentially has to out himself and will promptly get Witch Souped next round. I feel like the best play may be just to let people do what they think is best, and then organize things as the game progresses. If you are talking about claiming roles after death in Angel QT, that seems poor too. It's still valuable information so I'm not sure what claiming achieves. On September 04 2014 13:38 Oatsmaster wrote: Why are you asking ritoky. And why are you asking such a useless question Because its a potential source of information, and even if you think it is useless the fact that other people don't means that it isn't. | ||
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Oats is posturing into a position where he is blaming people and saying that they aren't scumhunting. Realize that this itself isn't scumhunting. You tell me what Oats has done to scum hunt. Nothing. That question at this point is total bogus. Not only that his actions are shutting down potentially good town discussion of setup. While in normal games setup talk is something scum favor because it is safe to do, this is a unique theme game, and setup talk can be very pro town. The discussion of actions, even if we don't arrive at a consensus, is a great means of developing information and reads. Oats, now to you specifically, this game is unique theme. Don't just port over heuristics lazily and pretend you are all that. If you have specific things you want to grill me on, then go ahead, but I'm asking you to change your current approach of pointing fingers at everyone. | ||
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I'm actually inclined to think gobbleygook and sylencia more townish for their setup discussions. | ||
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Cool. Could you elaborate on the difference you perceive? Because I'm of the opinion their approaches to it are similar. | ||
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On September 04 2014 14:37 ritoky wrote: didn't i just say the difference in my previous post? like literally the post before this? (actually 2 i think) Oh ... I guess I misunderstood. I think the setup discussion is townish, and I'm reading gobbleygook and sylencia town for their setup discussion. Not null, but town. It looks like they want to figure out what's best for town with regards to how we apply blue actions. I'm not bothered by the lack of substantive reads at this point, since the day just started. On that note, they are trying to get something in thread going instead of just sitting back and waiting. Do you read the setup talk null? If so, what about gobbleygook do you read town? | ||
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On September 04 2014 14:50 ritoky wrote: i think talking about "optimal play" and the setup is an easy thing to do as either alignment and appear to be contributing I would disagree on this point, because if I'm having a tough time trying to figure out optimal strategy for town, then scum would have an even tougher time trying to optimize strategy for scum, and then disguise it as optimal strategy for town. Thus compared to a regular game's heuristics of setup talk = scummy, I'd wager setup talk = towny (at least until this post, now that I've said it who knows), especially since Sylencia isn't really known for his independent mafia play. Even the 30 minute gap between his first two posts looks like he was thinking about the suggestion, and potential flaws / shortcomings, and then came up with a modified suggestion. Looks quite good to me. But enough of that. Let's move on to some other reads. On September 04 2014 08:14 Koshi wrote: HaruRH, if you believe that Koshi or rayn are the most important people. and if you believe scum will kill the grail owner. why do you want to give the grail to Koshi or rayn? This feels a bit like a loaded question to me (like, there is no good way for anyone to answer it). You either give the grail to towny town (who might get shot), or kinda town (?), or scum (??). What's your take of Koshi's suspicion of HaruRH (the suspicion itself or the way he did it or whatever)? | ||
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On September 04 2014 22:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: Explain the bolded. They gave bad advice and/or didn't read the setup and certainly didn't help finding mafia. Also explain how setup discussion is townish? If there was a way to break the setup this setup would not exist. You can't gain anything if you discuss the setup before D3. There are things you can do in this setup to gain an advantage that aren't necessarily breaking the setup. For instance, in Neat & Tidy you could have suggested possible vig shots, and it would be good advice even though it doesn't break anything. Same here - from what I see gobbleygook and Sylencia discussed how the town roles could be best used. Regardless of the objective quality of their plans, it's their efforts in trying to help town through setup means that I'm reading townish. From Ver's How to Improve Analysis On August 26 2010 13:07 Ver wrote: As for plans, you don't always need one but there are many successful and poor plans that have been discussed and used over the past several games. More than the actual plan itself, the planning stage is more important as a mechanism to get useful information about people that you would not otherwise see. After all, the main contributors to the plan this game (not surprisingly at all), were entirely innocent! In addition, several mafia stood out as trying to appear 'supportive' of the plan while not making any real contributions to it. I'm not promoting setup talk in the sense of "hey I'm pretty sure there's a way to break this setup let's do that". But I'm not against setup talk in the sense of "oh I can get some reads on these people doing setup talk". Which is where my gobbleygook and Sylencia townish reads are stemming from - not that their thoughts help break the setup, but the way that they contribute their thoughts look like they are trying to help town. Now notice this. I've called these two people townish several times over now. Here's a good place for discussion. If you think these guys are scum, let us know! And don't just say "I think they are scum". Compile the posts that stick out the most and present them. If you want, to me specifically. That way I am put into a position where I am responsible for my stance. If you think I'm scum making up easy town reads, show that they should actually be scum reads and that I'm making up fluff. | ||
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On September 05 2014 00:26 IAmRobik wrote: I like the majority of this post, until the red. I think it's still a town!ritoky post -- although i don't think i've seen a ritoky mafia game, but the last sentence still sucks because it's a shitty shitty conclusion to draw. What's wrong with the red part? I think it's very reasonable and I agree with him. | ||
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But if you don't like it, go ahead and throw me a fastball Oats. I'm ready (but soon though I have lunch appointment coming up). | ||
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gobbledydook - I asked the grail question since I found it interesting he would give it to geript, despite having opposite reads on HaruRH. This makes me iffy. Later he talks about setup stuff. This looks like town trying to help figure out what's best. When discussing Angel QT stuff, gobbley takes a very strong stance against Robik's suggestion. It felt very natural. I asked Robik about ritoky's read into this because I take that situation as a town tell for gobbley. Sylencia - similar thing with gobbley, his effort to help with setup looks genuine. ritoky - the grail question was an opener, just to get chat going. It might be an easy question, but scum might have a tough time answering softballs so can't hurt to try. The little chat we had felt pretty good. Koshi - I was initially concerned with Koshi for the "loaded question", because it could have been scum baiting out other people to do the accusing for him, since he points out what HaruRH says, but then let other people talk. However Koshi is someone who revvs into gear as game progresses so I'm not really too concerned right now. IAmRobik - He plays "real time mafia" playstyle, and it feels very fluid and natural. A stronger read. geript - Not too sure on him, but seems to be meshing with Robik on several points, so I assume should one of them be mafia, the other would notice and speak up. yamato77 - did he roll scum again for like the 3rd time or something? Perhaps. He has taken to a more laid back playstyle, but in uhh Storm 2 he played laid back but made good sense so it's another one of those let's see what he does with his posts thing. rayn - I'm wary because he can play good scum. Watchful. Damdred - I'm excited for partly because I think he is a promising player as I've played several games with him / hosted one with him in it, and also to get revenge for Showdown Mafia where he was scum and fooled me. I'M WATCHING YOU DAMDRED MUAHAHA LoneMeow - Has made a couple of easy posts that go along with thread vibes. Suspicious but nothing blaring. HaruRH - Pretty null at this point. And finally, you dear Oatsmaster. I remember the games we played together. You keep scumreading me, and I think it's because of my playstyle where I type everything up neat and make big paragraphs and you find them suspicious. Because there was one game you super town read me and that was when I played a more 1-liner real time style. Conversely I also do not mesh with your playstyle, namely that one post where I asked you stop what you were doing independent of your alignment. But that's preference. You feel town from your aggression and that's where I'm at with you. Cool. Feel free to followup on any of these points of your choosing (but I'll probably be lunching soon so don't expect anything immediate). | ||
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On September 05 2014 01:58 Damdred wrote: Fraid so, just got my new phone so I can post whenever I want now. One thing right now is that robik says he got a scum read on rayn, but doesn't want to talk about it to avoid pressure? What is that? If you think someone is scum you should press it and try to destroy the scum, its robik why is he scared of pressure? And not sure why if rayn is scum it would make him nervous of ger From rereading filters so far and catching up I like gooble, asks some good questions and it seems to have some follow up. And Koshi is not his normal self it feels like. I know he says hes tring a new non mass posting thing, but pregame he said he would be posting lots and a lot of his posts lack a ton of content and some of his reads lack some explanations. Asks a lot of questions without drawing conclusions once asked it seems. So you are saying robik and Koshi are suspicious for playing "out of character"? | ||
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Yippee new icon! | ||
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On September 04 2014 16:04 geript wrote: Oats is like really not town oTsy to me. Ps I am the oats whisperer (sssshhhh don't tell Austin) Gobbly I'm pretty solid on. He's really thread policy which he tends to be in his scum games. Plus he's not really paranoid and aggressive and analyzing things which is what I saw in his town games. But he's pretty new so I'm a little hesitant there. Yamato for funsies. But seriously if he doesn't try to add something useful. HaruRH I get a really weird vibe from. I haven't played with him much but I got the feels from him early on. Robik. He's done a lot of things I've seen from his mafia play. He hasn't hard called me town yet. He's been schmoozing and generally unproductive (in an unproductive way instead of in a town Robik way). Slowish I'm guessing is town. Sylencia might be too based on attitude. That's essentially where I'm at. geript could you please elaborate here? Also, Town Jesus best Jesus. ##Grail ritoky | ||
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On September 05 2014 06:30 geript wrote: Look at his past games. The two games where he's town he comes out really aggressive and calls people scum and stuff where when he's mafia he tends to play thread police and be less aggressive ala here's where I'm at and why. It's a pretty stark difference. Then why it matter if he is new or not? | ||
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geript makes a read on gobbley where he points out how his meta is clear cut, but then for no reason other than what I see as a backdoor to change his read he says "But he's pretty new so I'm a little hesitant there." Because if he did the meta reads, gobbley being new or not doesn't matter. So it looks like geripts making stuff up. Am I making sense here? | ||
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I know Damdred is a totally capable player able to invest himself into a game, and yet 24 hours in all Damdred has been able to do this game is a couple of "I feel iffy" posts, one only because I prompted it. | ||
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On September 05 2014 10:47 yamato77 wrote: So sloosh, I guess you're ignoring me? You got me. Ignored the post partly because I didn't really have any meaningful reads on them yet, partly because I wanted to see you offer something of your own. But you've picked up your posting and I like the spotlight on the "big name" players. I feel better about rayn after his most recent slew of posts, particularly the setup one, because it's the same plan I thought up of to myself, and I'm less inclined to think scum rayn would freely give up that info because it's dubious if town would have figured it out. Nothing alarming about Koshi at this point either. I think the best lynch at this point is Damdred, and I feel better about this than other lynches because it seems like people are ignoring him. Part of it is meta - Damdred plays an active town game. Look at Neat and Tidy Mafia. 4 pages and was shot N1. Now contextually he is playing 2 games at once, so perhaps a lower post count is expected. So let's look at the actual content of his posts. On September 05 2014 11:03 Damdred wrote: Your vote is not a bad one I have been absent for a good portion of the thread. However Sloosh your vote worries me for a few reasons. I responded a couple of times to you, and you did not interact with them much instead you just kind of dropped the subject instead of trying to see if you could get any more information out of me from my three big things. Your filter currently is a lot like Koshi, it looks a bit better however you do not draw a lot of conlusions from what you post honestly. Even your big list post you look at people and go not scum not scume, plays good scum must be watchful. Its this many hours into the game and yet you haven't taken a hard stance on anyone but put your vote down on me? If you vote me for I feel iffy posts your big list post deserves your own vote There are several things that are out of place with this post. First is calling my vote "not bad". So he admits that his play may warrant a vote. But then right after he says my vote is worrisome. Huh? Why say "your vote is understandable", and then immediately say "your vote is worrisome"? It is inconsistent. Then, watch this, be blames me for failing to interact with him. He blames me for not prying the information out of Damdred. It's my fault that Damdred holds valuable information, but did not pursue it. That is extremely convoluted thinking for town to make. You don't say "hey you didn't ask me for my reads, you are scum". Yet that is what Damdred does here. Next he tells me how my play is poor, and essentially calls me a hypocrite. What he doesn't do, is call me scum. If I'm doing all these things that he accuses me of, where I "haven't taken a hard stance", then by all means he should be calling me scum! Instead he complains how my vote is on him, and complains how I should be voting myself. This isn't town mentality. It's totally scum mentality. Because he knows I'm town, he is treating me such, even though his words betray that he wants to call me scum. | ||
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On September 06 2014 03:37 LoneMeow wrote: IAmRobik much town. Very grail. ##HolyGrail: IAmRobik Can you explain why? I just don't see it. Still my top scum read. Things like this don't help: Like, is he trying to call geript scum here or what? I saw something suspicious about geript, but was concerned that I might be reading too much into a point. So I asked other people for their opinion. Thoughts on my Damdred read? | ||
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I rest my case. P.s. if you think I'm scum, then comment on my Damdred read. Either it's me bussing a scum buddy or me making stuff up about a townie, in either case you want to comment on it. | ||
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On September 06 2014 04:11 LoneMeow wrote: The biggest problem I have with that read is that you went through one post from him but didn't say anything about the rest. How does his earlier posting look to you? I see some pretty towny things in there, I'm having trouble convincing myself a scum-Damdred would try to put suspicion on IAmRobik of all people in what little he has posted - would think it far more likely he'd go for an easier target. Yes, because that was the one post I had a problem with, which he answered well. It's not like scum ooze scumslips and mistakes in all their posts, so it's not necessary to review the entirety of posts. Could you quote specifically the posts you see as "pretty towny"? Additionally, I don't see how Damdred is trying that hard at all to put suspicion on IAmRobik. If anything the way that he is doing it (cautiously / tentatively) is indicative of scum mentality (you want to call them suspicious but not take blame for it). | ||
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On September 06 2014 04:02 IAmRobik wrote: Like, if Damdred is scum, Sloosh is town. And Damdred is sooooo scummy it hurts. Look, we force discussion on Damdred because we got something substantive - my analysis of one of his bigger posts. We get everyone to talk about it - a subject where discussion has not yet been made. We get everyone to take a stance on it. Even if I am scum, if we get everyone to talk about it, that means my scum buddies are forced to take a stance. Additionally, the spotlight will be focused on me and Damdred, forcing us to produce more content, and ramping up pressure, so that if either of us were scum we would have more chance of cracking. | ||
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Robik you earn my grail vote by getting people to talk about Damdred. | ||
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Who do you want me to talk about? I have Damdred as strong scum right now. I don't have anyone else with a scum read of that caliber. I still have gobble and Sylencia as town. Yamato is slightly scummy for his slight resistance of the Damdred lynch. Koshi and rayn I'll read on their thoughts of Damdred and how they approach the lynch. geript I'm ok with since his meta read of gobble made sense. Oats hasn't been doing much, HaruRH neither. ritoky is ok and i'm ok with him having the grail. | ||
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I'll be here if anyone wants to defend Damdred's lynch. | ||
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On September 06 2014 05:53 IAmRobik wrote: I'm already voting damdred, so that's a moot point. Be a dear and go change your grail vote to me. No it's not but whatever. I'll give you your dumb grail. Now help me lynch Damdred. | ||
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But yes, catching up. | ||
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But I'd do Damdred , Rayn , geript , LoneMeow / Koshi / Oats. I can get on the rayn lynch. His fixation on Sylencia and gobbley the whole game is basically persuing easy mislynches, and when gobbley claims he can't go after that so it's back to Sylencia. He doesn't mention anything about Damdred really, but finds it relevant to soft defend him On September 06 2014 13:27 raynpelikoneet wrote: So gobble damdred is mafia because he is calling sloosh scum an not defending himself instead..... god what the hell? Side note: Damdred never actually calls me scum after all this. He complains about all this stuff I'm doing, but never actually calls me scum. But in anycase, he is soft defending Damdred here without commenting on him. Are we going for the big plays? | ||
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Ok, everyone on the Damdred train? | ||
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Same goes for everyone. Only scum, the judge himself, and naive townies wouldn't bother trying to consolidate at this point. | ||
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Do you think a no-lynch is a favorable outcome for today? | ||
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On September 08 2014 13:13 Damdred wrote: I don't think rayn is scum anymore What has rayn done to convince you otherwise? | ||
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On September 08 2014 13:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: the problem with this game is the following. there were four people who were considered (usually) town leaders. me koshi geript and yamato. geript people do not trust on anyways, no matter what he says. i was not around for the most of the time. koshi didn't do shit - i think he could have even be scum based purely on that. yamato didn't get anything done. That leaves Koshi and yamato. I think there is one mafia between them because i am conflicted about the fact that the d1 was shit. yes it really was shit. you guys couldnt even get a fucking lynch done without me and thats terrible. however yamato looks town so id put my bets on koshi being mafia. So let's get this straight. Yamato, the guy who "didn't get anything done", opposed your choice of Sylencia lynch and pushed to get you killed, "looks town". What? | ||
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On September 07 2014 02:40 Oatsmaster wrote: you say that every single game Im in man. Koshi, why the fuck dont you have a solid read on rayn? On September 08 2014 13:58 Oatsmaster wrote: pfft, im not that dumb. What kinda idiot claims judge by lynching someone that was only pushed by him?? haru feels like scum from the throwaway vote in majority lynch. I think rayn will either be useful or useless and we can make a more accurate decision later in the game, no reason to lynch him when there are dudes like damdred, syl, haru, LM actually you know what, LM is scum. didnt vote. Doesnt follow up on questions. Only talks about one dude in any form of detail and this is nothing like his town play. LYNCH! ##vote LM if we dont actually iml at least once this game, I will be very sad. | ||
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Main objection on robik, and explanations on now scum reading Damdred and now town reading rayn (which is flipped reads from D1 deadline)? | ||
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ritoky, not sure on Koshi, leaning hit for moving Syl into scum pile without explanation and general lack of conviction. Not too sure what you mean by late game alignment indicative post, but if it's the "judge can lynch, but let's get a lynch", I think it's null. | ||
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On September 08 2014 21:27 LoneMeow wrote: slOosh I read him scum earlier and not much has changed. He asks questions but there's no followup. First says he feels better about raynpelikoneet (who he never really called scum anyway): Then once Damdred makes his case on raynpelikoneet, he's suddenly up to lynching raynpelikoneet: Not a towny thought progression. ##DeadlineVote: slOosh Why is it a scummy progression? I considered the possibility of both being scum and so considered the rayn lynch, going off of yamato's confidence and seeing Damdred trying to pull off a weak bus. Which it very well could still be seeing as how he totally reneged on it last night. | ||
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On September 09 2014 05:22 Damdred wrote: Honestly sloosh you are my top scum read right now, and maybe haru. I was moving towards ger but i read his filter and parts of it seem pretty towny. Mhmm, could you give top three bullet points of why I'm scum? | ||
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On September 09 2014 07:12 ritoky wrote: sloosh, still waiting on your hit or miss response on koshi, chop chop. On September 09 2014 05:10 slOosh wrote: Damdred, who do you think is scum at this point? ritoky, not sure on Koshi, leaning hit for moving Syl into scum pile without explanation and general lack of conviction. Not too sure what you mean by late game alignment indicative post, but if it's the "judge can lynch, but let's get a lynch", I think it's null. Slightly leaning hit but not that confident. It's behaviour that I would probably lynch into D2 / D3 without much hesitation but I could see town Koshi playing slowly D1. | ||
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On September 09 2014 07:01 yamato77 wrote: It's hard to tell if he is basically just going to tunnel sloosh Instead of scum reads, I want people to begin listing people they think are definitive townies. This game is only ever going to work if people begin trusting one another. While "definitive" is not the word I would use, IAmRobik Sylencia ritoky yamato77 are general trust fund. Half of Oats goes in here as does half of geript. | ||
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His two strong scum reads in gobble and Sylencia have ended up in them claiming. Like look at how he treats them before the claim. He points out how this and that and everything is super suspicious and makes them scum. But then they aren't scum. His read on me is wrong, so rayn has been 0 for 3 this game. We make a mass movement to actually put votes on Damdred now. He still has done very little in trying to get me lynched although it is hugely clear from his filter that I must be scum and that I've done nothing to prove to him otherwise. Yet he doesn't want to lynch me. It's inherent guilt of scum wanting to call people scum but treating them town, and wanting people to get lynched but not be called out responsible for it. ##Vote: Damdred Anyone tell me why Damdred is town. | ||
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On September 06 2014 04:18 slOosh wrote: Yes, because that was the one post I had a problem with, which he answered well. It's not like scum ooze scumslips and mistakes in all their posts, so it's not necessary to review the entirety of posts. Could you quote specifically the posts you see as "pretty towny"? Additionally, I don't see how Damdred is trying that hard at all to put suspicion on IAmRobik. If anything the way that he is doing it (cautiously / tentatively) is indicative of scum mentality (you want to call them suspicious but not take blame for it). Pretty sure LoneMeow is also scum at this point unless he can procure those quotes where Damdred looks towny. Good on you Oats, you are a trooper. But lynch Damdred first. Look how squirmy he is. Then I'll help you with LoneMeow tomorrow. | ||
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On September 10 2014 14:15 raynpelikoneet wrote: You are really basing a read on someone ONLY because they are "wrong"? Now this is why i am voting for you. Being wrong is not scummy. IT'S FUCKING DAY 2!!! I cannot possibly have been wrong more than once in this game. That's not what I said, stop putting words in my mouth. Being wrong isn't scummy. But you are rayn (someone who I think is a reasonably strong town player), and in this game you have made a big case against gobble (which ended up wrong) and a big case against sylencia (also ended up wrong), and have called me scum (so I know you are wrong there), yet you still have the gall to call everyone else terrible and / or scum. Not once does it look like anywhere in your filter you considering that you've been very very wrong on your two strongest reads. Like you aren't surprised that they are town. In fact you have set yourself up in a position where you could feasibly call anyone scum and you have been. You've been flinging out accusations and suspicions everywhere. It looks opportunistic, it looks like it could be scum. Now you could be very well town having an off game. So I'm asking if we can get some meaningful discussion on people done rather than jumping around. Who is most likely to be scum and why, or conversely who is most likely to be town and why? I've taken some strong stances, and I'd like to know where you are, and for you to take strong stances that don't shift so much. | ||
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I'm reviewing geript right now, so just hold on for a few minutes. Could you clarify the "that's what you said" part? I'm thinking you are referring to my use of the "what has he done that was memorable" but that was I believe in reference to Damdred. | ||
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On September 10 2014 14:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am referring to this. You literally said i have been wrong and that's why you think i am scum, no? And i am scum because i let go of my scumreads when it's only reasonable to let go off them. How else i am supposed to read this post? Like tldr'd: - i am scum because i have been wrong (which is not scummy) - i am scum because i let go off my scumreads when i realize i was wrong (which is a towntell) I think I underestimated your mental fortitude. Like I very much agree that this town is lacking direction and that there isn't productive discussion going on, and it's really off-putting since like way too many people aren't caring and for me, whether it's because I haven't played mafia in a while or maybe it's the no flips, but the mental stress is adding up. You were suspicious to me for essentially having an abnormally strong mental fortitude, since I think that only scum could be mentally intact in this town atmosphere. Still reading context of geript / syl claim etc. | ||
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Still reading. I do think Sylencia is telling the truth. Looking into geript's reactions. | ||
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On September 09 2014 16:09 LoneMeow wrote: You're right that I should've said it on D1, unfortunately that was not possible. Make whatever you want of that. My take on slOosh has not changed, he's still my top scum read. Sylencia is quite scummy, especially for calling slOosh scum but not doing anything about it. All the while pushing geript who doesn't seem likely to get lynched right now. I'm still his top scum read, meaning he has read me scum for quite some time, but he himself has done little to get me lynched. Then he accuses Sylencia for failing to do anything. Hypocrisy. Essentially I find LoneMeow more problematic than Oats. | ||
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I've read the interaction with the Syl claim and what I've concluded is thus: Both geript and ritoky want to lynch Syl through the claim. Now there's a towny concern here and a scummy motive. The towny concern is that Syl is mafia, he gets the real acolyte to claim. Mafia syl gets lynched, but then mafia hit acolyte and learn his role with necromancer. I think the confusion here is how the setup works, in that is the inquisitor role revealed to necromancer or not. This is what I'm feeling ritoky's desire to lynch Syl comes from. A townie concern that it is not a simple 1 for 1, but more like a 3 for 2 or something like that. Geript on the other hand wants to lynch through the claim because he finds it hard to believe that anyone would claim period. Ehh I'm gonna have to check his treatment of gobble real quick. | ||
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So as for geript, here's his treatment of gobble's matryr claim D1 On September 06 2014 13:46 geript wrote: I really hope there's a counterclaim. Not a good time to claim. Not a good reason to claim. On September 06 2014 13:47 geript wrote: I'm going to assume he's bad town until there's a counter claim. The martyr should obviously counter here. And here's his treatment of Syl's acolyte claim D2 On September 09 2014 17:38 geript wrote: Nope. Now you claim. There's only a handful of roles that could get you into considering claiming prelynch. Claim or die. It's that simple. On September 09 2014 18:34 geript wrote: Or you're not Sylencia. Point is. There's no role he could have that he'd consider claiming period. Like there's no point. As inquisitor he'd try to stay alive much more before wanting to claim. Acolyte isn't a role you ever claim. As Judge he'd do his best to get a no lynch. As Exorcist he'd know that there's not a point to claim. Oracle doesn't claim without information of 2 and even then it'd be a bad idea in this situation. Grander doesn't need to claim. Pope has no point claiming now. Crusader... Why claim here or ever? Wraith has no reason to ever claim. So again what's his reason as town to claim? So a question is how different are the two claims? I could see matryr being a confirming level above in that he will die the next night guaranteeing the 1 for 1 trade without needing a lynch whereas the acolyte has a trade where .... Yea I don't see how we lynch into Syl if un cced ... it is just a 1 for 1 right? | ||
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Uhh ... shoot. ok I need to do this after sleep. | ||
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On September 09 2014 13:05 HaruRH wrote: This is the approach im am taking to solve the game. I did not talk about any connections yet, like I said, I will not reveal them until they actually happened. I am just stating what happened and what are the implications. Feels quite townie (regardless of if it's misguided or not) cause it's like, he plays how he thinks game is best played. Also he was feuding with geript D1 so he is opposite sclaing with geript. sheesh typing skills declineing. One last thing, not ttoo sure if I'm confirmation bias at this point. Geript didn't care about lynch D1 he was ok with no lynch saying judge lynch. I think wagons were you (rayn) and damdred and he was pushing harurh, and syl looked bad so it's ok to let judge lynch into them. But d2 he said judge not to be trusted when koshi got hit so maybe koshi was scum? wow maybe that was bad tin foil hat but it is my mind ... ok i stp posting now i'll pick up morning when sober | ||
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On September 10 2014 15:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: MAfia already knows one living player's role as per martyr sacrificing themselves on N1. ohh soup right makes sense. They want to soup for more than 1. good | ||
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On September 11 2014 04:09 geript wrote: Order doesn't matter. It's silly to think that at this point. It's essentially a mylo situation here because of soup. Perhaps you should realize that my current view is Oats/Harurh/Damdred. If you think I'm mafia, find a single game where as mafia I have been able to make 10 pages by after 72 hours. You won't find a single one. I can't keep up that activity as mafia. I can do it for 24 or so but past that I've never done it. Order in the sense of which one of them are you most confident of your scum read on. I mean who knows scum's soup skill level and more so if it is those three since it seems they are all playing this setup for first time. I'll be checking your filter in meantime. Do you still think Syl is mafia? | ||
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Basically Robik and rayn (whom I recently trust) both had issues with you so I need discussions to trust you now. | ||
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On September 11 2014 01:27 yamato77 wrote: Sylencia did have an amazingly bad fakeclaim in Desert, no? yam buddy I need you to drop some wisdom up in here. What's your current stance on Syl? Which of geript's lynch list do you most prefer and why? | ||
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Quick thoughts on Oats for sake of completeness? | ||
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On September 11 2014 04:51 geript wrote: There's a big difference when I'm consistently hitting 10-12 in 2-3 days in my town games and getting 6-7 maybe in 3 days in my scum games. In the Game I had a stacked mafia team which carried the fuck out of me despite me trying to bus the fuck out of my team. You'd be surprised how good filter length is as a judge of my alignment. Right, I'd say the same of me but I've learnt over time that it doesn't carry as much weight as I think it does. To be clear you think Syl is town at this point? | ||
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On September 11 2014 04:51 slOosh wrote: Could you help me out here? It's like Syl did the "imma claim" and you guys all figured out he claimed acolyte before he said so. What post am I missing? Oh nvm I found it. | ||
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I think as mafia you could fake claim a handful of the other ones. Ehh I think it's confirmation bias where you say ok Syl is mafia, does his fake claim make sense? Yes I can see how a mafia fake claiming acolyte could be benefitial to mafia but it doesn't necessarily mean that Syl is that mafia. | ||
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On September 02 2014 21:19 Palmar wrote: Soup: Instead of using the Witch Kill, any member of the Witch's coven can instead drink a cursed Soup. The Witch will take a sip, then name a player and a role, then drink again and repeat the process.
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On September 11 2014 05:11 ritoky wrote: like i said earlier, maybe i do have some confirmation bias; maybe i am wrong and equating terrible play = mafia, hence why i moved my vote. that said i don't think i am wrong. and i have had pretty amazing reads as town in my 3 most recent games and been talked down off them. so this time i am hesitant to back off my read. Right. You could very well be right. But geript is right in the sense of we are really close to deadline and I don't think we are able to come to a definitive conclusion of the Syl matter, and so we are coming up with a good contingency plan i.e. back up lynch. | ||
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Are the lynch options essentially boil down to "they aren't playing the game"? Or do people have more objections of them? | ||
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rayn I'm less excited about geript lynch compared to last night. This mainly through my talk with ritoky, I can see how town could suspect Syl as fakeclaiming mafia. With the D1 defense thing, I just read it, it seems like he was ok with the no lynch b/c judge and may not have defended you because you weren't in real danger of being lynched (only hit 5 votes at deadline). Yea, not too sure about geript anymore. | ||
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On September 12 2014 09:01 ritoky wrote: well this guy is softing my role pretty hard anywayz, and if he hard claims it then it is gg, win for town. it's worth coming out anywayz since i have a red check independent of the guy fake-claiming a red check on me. i am the inquisitor, on night 1 i investigated geript and he is green, on night 2 i investigated HaruRH and he is RED. we didn't get a shot last night, which means that either koshi/oats was confirmed mafia or one of them was exorcist. Damdred is faking a red check on me it seems, which would make him confirmed mafia, and haru as another mafia. if we got one in oats/koshi then it's a wrap unless the remaining one after the lynch today soup chains us all. i checked geript because i read robik as town and they were butting heads hardcore. he turned up green and you will plainly see me sheeping and calling geript town nonstop yesterday. i didn't think syl was my acolyte, i was wrong. i flipped shit and almost lynched him because his play was so atrocious that i couldn't believe he could possibly be my acolyte; and even if he was he could have bread crumbed to me. luckily he didn't do it enough to warrant me getting souped before i got off a red check. i checked haru because i didn't like his burst of activity only when accused of being mafia, and i wanted to start narrowing down the lurkers in the game. turns out one of them was mafia. lynch damdred and haru in any order and we win the game. i was tempted to come out yesterday as well when damdred did the same thing softing my role when he did the "i read rayn's filter and flipped my read"; i wrote it off as a one time thing, then he proceeded to do nothing last phase and softed it again with the exact same line on me. he is fake claiming inquis, lynch him. if an oracle was on me n1, we can really solve this game as the wraith was on me n1 so we will know if koshi was mafia or not for certain. Inquisitor doesn't get informed if wraith visits him? Am I missing something? | ||
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On September 12 2014 13:48 Damdred wrote: Not really sloosh, it put me in a spot where I had nobody who could back up my claim. Or am I misunderstanding what you ask It just felt really strange. I dunno, shooting possible mislynches doesn't seem that good of an idea. Umm ... did you breadcrumb or stuff earlier in game? I'm still reviewing stuff. | ||
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On September 12 2014 09:13 Damdred wrote: I'm inquisitor look at syl filter how he protected me d1. I checked rayn night 1 which is why I said he was town day 2 so fast Also depending on if syl was telling the truth about not reading his PM, this is null. Or I guess it means syl had a town read on you from posting etc. | ||
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On September 12 2014 09:20 ritoky wrote: right because even though i was scum reading syl all game, do you notice the part where he never scum reads me a single time? i wonder what that was about. oh maybe because i am the inquisitor. nice try with your desperation fake claim. This bothers me a lot. On D2 ritoky was all about shutting down Syl's claim and a big part of it was on the point that Syl claimed not to have read his PM concerning the information of the inquisitor. And yet he uses Syl's stance as a means of defending himself. Ugh... trying to figure out if it's scum motive or town mistake. | ||
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On September 12 2014 14:15 Damdred wrote: My time is up tonight. I'll answer whatever you guys want but I need sleep. I think the best thing we can get right now is a thorough explanation of your cop choices. | ||
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On September 09 2014 13:13 yamato77 wrote: ritoky you need to play the fucking game asking about koshi all day is fucking useless On September 07 2014 04:37 yamato77 wrote: i soulread damdred as town yamato your filter in general has been relatively empty of your reads on ritoky and damdred. Could you explain why you trust ritoky over Damdred, and thus believe his claim more? | ||
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On September 13 2014 03:11 geript wrote: Replace oracle checking HaruRH with checking Damdred. What? Don't you mean checking HaruRH? | ||
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Scum should only know 1 role, from the shooting whoever N1. No one is claiming exorcist. So did scum HaruRH also happen to guess a role that is gone from the game? | ||
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What is the "Rayn flip"? The scumslip of ritoky claiming to check Damdred is pretty strong, and I can't see town cop making that mistake. | ||
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The slip seems pretty strong, but even if it was null I think you could conclude ritoky is scum in this case, which is what I did since I just reread the slip part. Yamato, you are one of the few leaning for ritoky. Do you want to share your reservations? | ||
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And that's what ritoky is doing here. Damdred claiming red check on ritoky and him counter claiming is a much more simple and more probable scenario than the convoluted ritoky was cop, scumteam saw they were separately checked by oracle and cop at the same time and saw that they needed to preemptively counterclaim first. That's like quite the stretch. | ||
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On September 13 2014 03:59 geript wrote: If you don't actually read me right this game Rayn we are going to lose. Less time squabbling, more time explaining reservations in detail please. | ||
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On September 10 2014 14:49 raynpelikoneet wrote: You should also stop thinking like this because that's not what i ever do. They claimed. Unless cc'd they are town. There is no reason to go "oh damn.. hmm hmm.. what to do!?!?? i was wrong woe on me! need to find something else, but i am sad because wrong". it just doesn't help. I make a decision and move on. I feel very much so of LoneMeow being mafia over geript. Dude has a 1 page filter, and hasn't posted a single thing all day. Yet he found it pertinent to make the deadline vote last night so it's not like he got bored and forgot about the game. Whereas geript is here in thread, and trying to figure stuff out. So it's Koshi / Oats , ritoky, and LoneMeow for me. That makes most sense. | ||
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On September 13 2014 06:19 yamato77 wrote: we should lynch ritoky and see what happens tonight I think this is best right now. Hit ritoky, and try not to leak any more blue infos. | ||
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On September 13 2014 06:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: It doesn't make him mafia. It makes him more town. Yea that's my inclination too, but I don't think pushing that line is gonna convince geript. | ||
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On September 13 2014 06:25 raynpelikoneet wrote: nothing will probably convince geript before the game ends Nah I have hope for him. I mean I thought nothing would convince me otherwise that you / Damdred was scum D1 but here we are. | ||
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On September 13 2014 06:30 geript wrote: Except that it doesn't. There's a 50% chance of increasing KP. One that is gg if there is a misshot. It's 3-1 at best. Without a 4 person soup it's likely a win. Hence my description of "convoluted" and "not good". I didn't bother doing the math since at face value it seemed whack, but it doesn't feel very scum oriented. Of course that could be confirmation bias at this point since I already believe HaruRH to be town, so you may be right in that it is not helpful. So I'd just point back to behavioral analysis. | ||
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And I'm assuming yamato thinks rayn is mafia because he doesn't understand how this claim plan is foolproof? And LoneMeow continues to do nothing all game? | ||
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I am not either judge / crusader. | ||
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I'm quite heavily inclined on LoneMeow scum as he hasn't been involved in anything, and has only done provisional singleton posts these past two cycles, of which there isn't any figuring out being done, merely agreement with what most people have made. Yamato is a distant second by PoE but even then it's like meh. | ||
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On September 17 2014 05:26 geript wrote: No I disagree. Scum tend to talk about past lynches etc correctly. Plus why talk about it if koshi were town. That puts you in the spotlight for no reason and gives him no thread pull benefit. Plus Koshi being scum explains why the martyr claim wasn't healed. I mean he got away with making 0 productive discussion by talking about Koshi. And we forgave him for it. Like, people told him to shut up about Koshi but people weren't all "bro you scum?". Not sure what Koshi scum martyr interaction means. Koshi got judged off. Someone else was shot and martyr took the kill, and scum got a rolecop off. What is martyr claim being healed? | ||
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E.g. Oats calls me out for setup talk and my questions. He drills me on that. Yet he makes no substantial comment of ritoky whole game. | ||
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On September 05 2014 05:03 ritoky wrote: 6 - In the theme of lurkers, Town Jesus believes a conscious choice needs to be made about yamato77 if he doesn't pick up his posting. I will give LoneMeow the benefit of a day because I think he is a new player to pick up the posting. However, many a game has Town Jesus waited for yamato77 to pick up the posting late into a game and it is never delivered; and ultimately he either ends up being mafia or becoming an easy late lurker mislynch for mafia in the late game. We should come together and decide on him sooner rather than later if he continues his drought of posting. This is one of ritoky's few posts on LM. Notice how he brings up the topic of lurkers, brings up yamato for lurking, brings up LM for the sake of completeness but excuses him, and then quickly moves back to yamato. I mean, if you want to make associative reads, I'd consider this more substantial given how we know ritoky is scum and yamato is an alive player right now. | ||
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On September 17 2014 05:38 geript wrote: Let's approach this a different way. What are your hesitations about Yamato Sloosh? He doesn't read as strong of town read as I have on you or rayn. It's not that I think he is scum, it's just that the same level of certainty is not there. | ||
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My only gripe about him is that he has fallen on the "wrong side" concerning the ritoky / Damdred cc event, and that I'm put in the same category as LoneMeow, but that's just Omgus / being wrong which isn't necessarily scummy. | ||
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