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On September 04 2014 09:49 gobbledydook wrote: why? You have given no reason at all. why is your name so bad? | ||
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On September 04 2014 10:10 IAmRobik wrote: OK! Now that geript finally realizes what's wrong with Goobly's vote to give geript the grail, I'll elaborate on what's confusing me. Unless Goobly hasn't been reading geript's post, Goobly knows that geript wants to lynch him, so why would goobly give geript the grail? 1) he's mafia and he wants to get on geripts good side 2) he's town and he has faith that geript will change his opinion on him But if he's town, wouldn't he follow-up a statement like: by saying "and i'm sure by the end of today, his opinion on me will change" Unless of course he's mafia and he's basically maf!claiming that geript would use the grail well, cause geript wants to lynch him. I guess I'm biased-ly leaning towards him being mafia, but idk...maybe he's just town that has faith in geript...BUT WHY WOULD HE HAVE FAITH IN GERIPT IF GERIPT IS VOTING HIM? UGHAODSFHNAOSINGFSDOIFGN I DON'T FUCKING GET IT! really i thought his reasoning was shit for an entirely different reason. that quote to me seems like he wants to give geript the grail for ogi/preconceived reasons. "he's a good player overall"; that's great...i think many players are good players, but i wouldn't give them the grail for that reason alone. | ||
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On September 04 2014 11:52 IAmRobik wrote: I think everyone should visit me tonight i think everyone sees you jerking off enough in this thread. | ||
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On September 04 2014 11:47 gobbledydook wrote: Like, I asked wtf, and because he didn't respond, I came to the conclusion that he is just stirring shit up. what do you make of the fact that he is not the first person to do it. in fact yamato77 basically did the exact same thing. why didn't you question him? | ||
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On September 04 2014 12:00 gobbledydook wrote: I also asked yamato why. Read my filter. ok then, here's a better question. why do you not care about people responding to your questions when you find them odd/scummy? | ||
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On September 04 2014 12:53 slOosh wrote: ritoky, what should we do with the Grail? i would prefer to treat it like how we elect the mayor in cell mafia. people make campaigns for it and justify their campaign with solid reads on the game. it renders it down to less choices so we don't have a bunch of sporadic votes on random people so that later in the game we can potentially gain information from the grail vote. | ||
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On September 04 2014 13:38 Sylencia wrote: God, I just realised there's no way to confirm we have more dead good guys than bad without oracle claiming  If that's the case, I'd still rather have haunt/oracle combine targets over inquisitor/oracle combo. Sure, inquisitors are going to check dubious players, but I'd rather have a checked player alive for the sake of having the confirmed players go up rather than keeping ourselves in the dark for the players who are alive. Am I making sense or am I not understanding something? can you stop talking purely about process and actually talk about players in the game and finding scum? | ||
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On September 04 2014 13:41 Sylencia wrote: I would, but I'm not reading the actual thread at the moment because I'm at work - I just looked at the latest posts to see what was being said at the time so you're not posting to contribute to the game in a meaningful way or find scum, you're just posting to say "hey guys i am here, did you notice?" great welcome, you're the first person on my scum list. | ||
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i don't think koshi is scum yet; but he is leaning that way. i have only played 2 games with him, and the one where he was town he wanted to actively grab the game by the balls and lead town. the fact that he doesn't want to do that and seems content passing the grail to one of his town reads in geript isn't in line w/ the previous town play i experienced of his. | ||
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On September 04 2014 13:50 Sylencia wrote: No, because the proposal given is an isolated train of thought that isn't connected (as far as I know) to the rest of the game that is going on. Apparently lurking instead of tryingto expand on an idea when I can't actually do anything else is scummy though so.. ok. not using your time to find scum, even if you only have limited capabilities at the time is scummy. | ||
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On September 04 2014 13:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Ritoky, why did sloosh ask you that softball question? Was there previous interaction that I missed? Sloosh is scum cause he hasn't done anything useful yet. Just asked a few useless questions. So he has the time to post a bit but doesn't do anything with that time. no idea why he asked me; probably because most of my previous posts had been joke insults against gobble and robik and he wanted me to talk about the game. but it didn't seem like a question that was posed in a way to gain any alignment indicative information...actually a couple of his other question posts are kinda like that too. | ||
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On September 04 2014 13:58 Sylencia wrote: that's not the point that they're trying to make though. Basically the act of coming to the thread to check what's been posted in the latest page because I only have 15-20 minutes, posting something that is related to a proposal which is, or at least seems to be, an isolated suggestion which is not relevant to anything that happened in the past 5 or so hours and trying to expand on that is actually a negative thing. From what I understand, I'm better off posting nothing and not giving any opinion on what was suggested because entry posts are oh-so-important. why are you so defensive over this? all i am saying is that goal #1 of town is to find and lynch scum, you're not spending your time doing this; thus you're scummy. | ||
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On September 04 2014 14:09 slOosh wrote: Not only that his actions are shutting down potentially good town discussion of setup. While in normal games setup talk is something scum favor because it is safe to do, this is a unique theme game, and setup talk can be very pro town. The discussion of actions, even if we don't arrive at a consensus, is a great means of developing information and reads. I think there is a distinct difference between someone ONLY talking about the set-up and theorizing about optimal play and someone who is both interacting with the thread and talking about setup. gobble and robik for example is doing the latter and i think that is just fine. whereas syl is purely talking about setup and process which i don't find fine. however oats is town as hell right now. i am town and that guy has literally had the exact same thought as me 3 times almost consecutively. i would even consider voting him for grail at this point. | ||
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On September 04 2014 14:24 slOosh wrote: Some people find it really easy to ease into games while others build into it. Both as town and as scum. Furthermore it's a themed setup where everyone has a role, so maybe "playing like blue" is kicking in. My point is that shutting down things so early in a 72 hour Day 1 doesn't really help us since you don't know if you just shut down scum or town. All you know is you shut them down. I'm actually inclined to think gobbleygook and sylencia more townish for their setup discussions. agree with gobble, not sylencia. | ||
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On September 04 2014 14:30 slOosh wrote: Cool. Could you elaborate on the difference you perceive? Because I'm of the opinion their approaches to it are similar. didn't i just say the difference in my previous post? like literally the post before this? (actually 2 i think) | ||
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On September 04 2014 14:42 slOosh wrote: Oh ... I guess I misunderstood. I think the setup discussion is townish, and I'm reading gobbleygook and sylencia town for their setup discussion. Not null, but town. It looks like they want to figure out what's best for town with regards to how we apply blue actions. I'm not bothered by the lack of substantive reads at this point, since the day just started. On that note, they are trying to get something in thread going instead of just sitting back and waiting. Do you read the setup talk null? If so, what about gobbleygook do you read town? i think talking about "optimal play" and the setup is an easy thing to do as either alignment and appear to be contributing. i also don't really think it yields much alignment indicative information unless someone is quite obviously intentionally feeding a bad line of play to everyone else. something which i would like to believe almost everyone who plays on these forums would be smart enough not to do as mafia. but i have seen and done a lot of stupid stuff so i guess nothing is outside of the realm of possibility. i think syl is scummy right now because all he has talked about is setup, when challenged he got whiny and defensive, and he claimed to not have time and spent what he had in defense rather than actually trying to find scum in any way. conversely, gobble faced basically the exact same challenges and just plodded on ahead. plus i liked his vehement stance against robik's suggestion to mass claim in angel thread. if he were mafia i don't think he would come out with that strong of a sentiment against it that quickly. | ||
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On September 04 2014 15:18 slOosh wrote: I would disagree on this point, because if I'm having a tough time trying to figure out optimal strategy for town, then scum would have an even tougher time trying to optimize strategy for scum, and then disguise it as optimal strategy for town. Thus compared to a regular game's heuristics of setup talk = scummy, I'd wager setup talk = towny (at least until this post, now that I've said it who knows), especially since Sylencia isn't really known for his independent mafia play. Even the 30 minute gap between his first two posts looks like he was thinking about the suggestion, and potential flaws / shortcomings, and then came up with a modified suggestion. Looks quite good to me. But enough of that. Let's move on to some other reads. This feels a bit like a loaded question to me (like, there is no good way for anyone to answer it). You either give the grail to towny town (who might get shot), or kinda town (?), or scum (??). What's your take of Koshi's suspicion of HaruRH (the suspicion itself or the way he did it or whatever)? i don't have a particular read on harurh other than that this bolded part is weird, might be a typo...but idk how he seems so affirmed about something like that at that point in the game. On September 04 2014 07:47 HaruRH wrote: Also, We must 100% choose someone and bot leave it up to witches. The bearer of the holy grail will almost certainly die on d2 and the matyr should definitely try to save the bearer. as for koshi's suspicion of him. i think haru is someone who needs to be pushed on for more information. cuz in the games i have played with haru he has not been the most forthcoming player, so i like the intent. i agree with you that the question is loaded and full of bait, so i don't like that hence that interaction kinda ends in a null. but i am more put off by him not trying to go for the grail and deferring it to geript, than what you are concerned with. that's not in line with the last time i saw town koshi, and he is not someone i would give the grail to. | ||
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geript, if you had no hands and thus could not hold the holy grail; who would you give it to right now? | ||
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On September 04 2014 15:53 geript wrote: I don't really have any solid townreads yet. It's really sad. Plus there's too many people on my too lynch list. Gun to my head Koshi; he's not as happy and fun as I usually think of him. But there's an odd towny air to him. who, other than non-posters, is on your "too lynch list"? | ||
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On September 04 2014 15:57 geript wrote: Wait I forgot about ritoky. He had a really odd and unique point somewhere that I thought was really wrong (maybe about bobbly) but I'd be surprised if ritoky were mafia. He'd be my first choice. ritoky is the guy asking you this /facepalm | ||
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do you think that it's wrong because we should all claim in the angel thread or do you think its wrong that i town read him for responding negatively in all caps? | ||
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On September 04 2014 16:16 geript wrote: Why is Rayn making me a sad panda? I wait this long and one lousy setup statement. rayn is also rain, rain is water that falls from the sky, water that falls from your eyes is crying, crying is what you do when you're sad. it's all in the name. that aside, even though we're kinda in different places right now on a couple people. i think you're pretty town. | ||
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On September 05 2014 03:04 geript wrote: Still catchup up between rereading what I half read while I was half awake and catching filters. I don't foresee much change from where I was at last night when ritoky oh so rudely didn't give me his full set of reads back. sorry, i reached a conclusion on you and went to bed. woke up like 20 mins ago and am catching up, will give you these when i have. | ||
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On September 05 2014 03:28 IAmRobik wrote: Ritoky, Why didn't you petition to be town mayor? Where are the bald eagles? it is coming. | ||
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On September 05 2014 03:57 IAmRobik wrote: What was the conclusion you reached -- before you go back and read...you can change your mind after you read. quick quick i thought he was town | ||
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On September 05 2014 04:07 IAmRobik wrote: wrong...but go on and go catch up and post. could you tell me how i am wrong? | ||
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![[image loading]](http://www.cbn.com/700clubinteractive/images/ready-to-know-Jesus.jpg) Do you know what this town needs right now? Town Jesus. Only Jesus, with his divine grace can purge our lands of these heathen scum. They seek to turn our dogs into blood sacrifices for their false gods. They worship idols and seek to kidnap our children. Only the power of Christ can protect us now and root out these abominable wretches from our homestead. The village must be saved, and Town Jesus is the man for the job. Time to call in the big guns: ![[image loading]](http://i0.wp.com/www.equinoxpub.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/Jesus-angry.jpg) If elected as your Town Jesus, I would bear the Holy Grail of the town, and use the awesomeness bestowed upon me to unleash the unrelenting Grace of God upon these witch scum. For it is not sharp sticks and swords that will purge them from this land but the pure Grace. Alas, I shall also bring with me, for all of you to follow, The 10 Readmandments: 1 - ritoky is Town Jesus. 2 - Robik is probably a follower of Town Jesus: a wise man once told me, do not lynch any non-holyflare player who has the largest filter on day 1, until at least day 3. 3 - Gobble is probably a follower of Town Jesus: Town Jesus does not care if people think his reasons for reading someone town are poor, he still has faith in his reads. Gobble also has a divine power: he speaks in tongues. Sometimes he says things and they make absolutely no sense to anyone at all, and sometimes he immediately speaks in rage against others as can be seen here: On September 05 2014 00:54 gobbledydook wrote: It seems you don't like how my reads are presented. You are entitled to your opinion. And I don't care. But Town Jesus believes it comes from a place of love. 4 - Oats has fallen from Town Jesus' grace into purgatory: At first Oats shared many similar thoughts to Town Jesus, almost identical thoughts; and Town Jesus thought that this could be the man to lead us, however since then some reticence has occurred in Town Jesus' mind. It has all been pure accusation and question with very little substance and reads provided. Town Jesus is about giving, not taking from others. A Wise Man once told me: he who purely accuses does so because he is scared of being accused. 5 - Rayn is currently in purgatory with one foot out the door to Hell: Town Jesus has said this in every game he has played: "Over 90% of the time, the first person to list all of the lurkers in the game and say lynch these people is scum" Town Jesus does not have more evidence than that yet (other than robik's ellipses of doom) so he will not put him in Hell yet, but he is certainly on his way. 6 - In the theme of lurkers, Town Jesus believes a conscious choice needs to be made about yamato77 if he doesn't pick up his posting. I will give LoneMeow the benefit of a day because I think he is a new player to pick up the posting. However, many a game has Town Jesus waited for yamato77 to pick up the posting late into a game and it is never delivered; and ultimately he either ends up being mafia or becoming an easy late lurker mislynch for mafia in the late game. We should come together and decide on him sooner rather than later if he continues his drought of posting. 7 - Koshi is in purgatory with one foot out the door to Hell: Town Jesus has heard every excuse in the book for why x doesn't line up with y. Change of playstyle, maybe, but I'll err on the side of paranoia and assume you're lying. However, some people have informed Town Jesus in the thread that Koshi is like wine and gets better with age. Town Jesus would still vote for him, but not be against giving him a day to become a finer wine. 8 - Sylencia is in purgatory with one foot out the door to Hell: Town Jesus was thinking about putting Sylencia in Hell, but re-read his filter and thought against it. There is some nobility and honor in defending a useless and lost cause, which gave me pause. However, pure setup talk into a null read on people who haven't posted, a null read on oats, and a pretty null read on gobble. The only strong read she has given is robik - town, which right now I am inclined to agree with; and haru town with no explanation behind it. Town Jesus does not buy wolf tickets. 9 - Sloosh is a man who speaks honestly, but about nearly nothing. Town Jesus does not know what to make of him right now, but is wary of how non-committal he is about many things and his softball questioning of others. 10 - Geript is in purgatory with on step on his way to becoming a follower of Town Jesus: From the interactions Town Jesus has had with Geript, he feels like a genuine individual who wants to be on the right track. Town Jesus also believes that it is possible, contrary to what Robik says, for two individuals to be in two completely different view points in the game, but believe in Town Jesus just the same. That said, not all of what Robik is saying is falling deaf to Town Jesus' ears. If you want to be a follower of Town Jesus, and believe in the Word of God to purge the land of the evil witch scum, then I urge you to vote to make Town Jesus the bearer of the Grail. ![[image loading]](http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-alYZSEX9zOw/UNjmoA4hKUI/AAAAAAAABIU/Auuqr_qeDlg/s1600/beat+Satan.+Jesus+daily.jpg) | ||
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On September 05 2014 05:11 IAmRobik wrote: Ritoky, 1) no bald eagles 2) the girl looks like she's from Christian Mingles and she's read for my Jewish D "You tryin' to tell me Jesus Christ can't hit a curve ball?" - Eddie Harris, Major League - 1989 | ||
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On September 05 2014 05:31 IAmRobik wrote: At what point are you going to try this game yamato? ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ also ##Vote for grail: ritoky forgot that on my post earlier. | ||
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On September 05 2014 07:56 IAmRobik wrote: It's quite simple to understand. It's because you're mafia with him. do you think they would quite blatantly stroke eachother like this in the thread if they were mafia together? | ||
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On September 05 2014 07:58 IAmRobik wrote: It's whatever though. I'm going to be night killed tonight cause mafia is fucking scared shitless of me right now, but no one is going to bother reviewing my reads cause everyone is trash i think you're town, but your reads are sporadic through your posts; not centralized so sometimes they are hard for me to remember. from what i remember you have: me - town jesus gobble - town rayn - witch geript - witch can you fill in the places where i missed please? don't really have the ability/time to filter dive for them right now. | ||
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On September 05 2014 08:34 IAmRobik wrote: Not sure on gobble actually Sylencia lean town oats town gonna be afk for a while now, my super bowl champion seattle seahawks are playing soon and i have guests. could you explain what moved you from town early to not sure now? | ||
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yo, we should really sort out this grail thing right away, so we can focus on the lynch with full focus instead of split focus between the two. | ||
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- geript - gobble - Koshi - rayn - ritoky - robik - sloosh Everyone else who hasn't voted or given a firm stance on it, needs to weigh in very soon or give a damn good reason why you have no strong town reads nearly 36 hours into the game. I AM LOOKING AT YOU SYL, OATS, AND DAM. I SEE YOU HERE AND POSTING. OPINIONS ON GRAIL PLOX! | ||
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On September 05 2014 13:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: wow this game is really off atm.  step up game up ppl. many players are being really dumb atm. what is off and which players? why would you be cryptic instead of just explaining. | ||
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On September 05 2014 13:28 Oatsmaster wrote: I want it. I'm too lazy to go into the voting thread why should i give it to you over myself, Town Jesus, or geript? | ||
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On September 05 2014 13:31 geript wrote: ritoky has claimed to be town jesus. But look, he is clearly not referring to himself as town jesus here. Would lynch. parenthesis can be used for renaming, not just listing. but i was also referring to myself twice, and i have also had a couple adult beverages. | ||
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On September 05 2014 13:31 Sylencia wrote: Both you and Robik are town I'm pretty sure, so I'm really not fussed who gets it between the two of you. robik has 0 votes, currently geript and i have all the votes. so did you mean geript or do you have a different opinion on him? | ||
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On September 05 2014 13:38 Sylencia wrote: Huh, turns out no one even voting for Robik, not so sure about geript gettin git. what makes you unsure about him having it? i just clicked your filter, hit ctrl + f, typed geript, and this was the first time you used his name. | ||
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damdred is playing two games right now (that i know of) mission mafia and this. he is writing TOMES of text in mission and giving relatively little effort in this one that i can remember thus far. i can't really talk about the game situation because it is similar to because the game is still ongoing on these forums, but the player i am referring to was also in the newbie princess mafia and has a case similar to damdred so far in this game. so i pose 3 questions to everyone here: 1) does the completely distinct change of playstyle indicate different alignments between the two games? 2) if damdred does have different alignments between the two games, which alignment would he be more likely to put a bunch of effort into? 3) if you were in two different games at the same time with opposite alignments would you put more effort into the mafia game, the town game, or equal? | ||
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On September 06 2014 05:44 IAmRobik wrote: I was okay with Ritoky having the grail, but he's fallen off so fucking hard, that I'm reticent now, which is why I'm pushing that I get it again. I'm still not comfortable with geript having it, and I'm less comfortable with Ritoky having it than I was before. I still would rather Ritoky have it than geript, but if I'm off the table, I think that I would rather yamato have it over anyone else (other than me) apparently not being here for life reasons is falling off, my bad. btw did you know the seahawks are the best team in football? FACT. | ||
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On September 04 2014 10:04 geript wrote: KK gobbly, good you're here. What are you going say when I get the grail and lynch you D1? geript made a big deal about gobblew/e when he voted for someone for grail, in fact sloosh did too, and so did robik what the living hell is going on here. On September 04 2014 10:10 IAmRobik wrote: OK! Now that geript finally realizes what's wrong with Goobly's vote to give geript the grail, I'll elaborate on what's confusing me. Unless Goobly hasn't been reading geript's post, Goobly knows that geript wants to lynch him, so why would goobly give geript the grail? 1) he's mafia and he wants to get on geripts good side 2) he's town and he has faith that geript will change his opinion on him But if he's town, wouldn't he follow-up a statement like: by saying "and i'm sure by the end of today, his opinion on me will change" Unless of course he's mafia and he's basically maf!claiming that geript would use the grail well, cause geript wants to lynch him. I guess I'm biased-ly leaning towards him being mafia, but idk...maybe he's just town that has faith in geript...BUT WHY WOULD HE HAVE FAITH IN GERIPT IF GERIPT IS VOTING HIM? UGHAODSFHNAOSINGFSDOIFGN I DON'T FUCKING GET IT! On September 04 2014 09:02 slOosh wrote: I'm confused so I'll ask again. You voted geript to hold the grail. You also disagreed with his read on HaruRH. I'm curious why you would want to give the grail to someone whose reads differ from you. Yet not a single one piped up when this crap went down: On September 05 2014 22:54 Sylencia wrote: Oh yeah, I also ##holy grailed ritoky I haven't backed down that syl is one of my top scum reads in the game. So why the hell did you all take umbridge with gobble voting for someone for grail who would clearly use it to vote his ass out at the time. But syl does it later and it's water under the bridge. There be some fish in dat water. | ||
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On September 06 2014 06:22 Damdred wrote: Woah for a second if you look at the three games I was in. Cell mission and here, my activity due to rl bottomed out on all three around the same time. Since I got my phone back my activity has risen again. Sloosh is making a weak case on me and refuses to even give his other scum reads. I'll use the last 24 hours to try to give a read for everyone across the board incase I get lynched though. this is just a lie. your posts in the past 2 days in this thread are not even 1 filter page. in the other thread they are 2 filter pages. so you have given double the effort in terms of posts (without going into quality or length) to the other thread. | ||
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On September 06 2014 06:29 IAmRobik wrote: I can't speak for everyone, but I can speak for myself: 1) I didn't remember you going on sylencia. 2) Sylenicia mentioned several times that he thought you and I were town. 3) Sylencia wanted to give me the grail over you. 4) I don't know when you gave your scum read on sylencia, but it probably occurred way before he voted to give you grail. The stuff with Gobble and geript happened early in the game and was the first real thing that I noticed. This is worrisome phrasing to me. It's the first worrisome thing I have really seen from robik all game. I know you had at least a leaning town read on syl up until now, but this phrasing sounds almost like you would disregard any pre-vote read on anyone who votes you for grail. Sounds almost desperate to want it. Mind you as of right now, if I was not a viable alternative my vote would be on you; but the phrasing.... | ||
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On September 06 2014 06:46 IAmRobik wrote: The phrasing is fine. Go look at his post. He was gonna vote me. It was pointed out that I had 0 votes. So he voted you. Stop overthinking things. yeah but it's coupled with a couple of "i'll scratch your back and go after your target, if you scratch mine and give me grail" posts that i remember. i still think you're town like i said. it's just the first thing that has given me pause. | ||
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On September 06 2014 06:47 IAmRobik wrote: Awww man. Damdred's pulling at my heartstrings here. you not gonna criticize him either for wanting to grail someone who would use it (currently) to lynch him? | ||
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On September 06 2014 06:52 IAmRobik wrote: I am soft as fuck. Plus, I've spend the past 2 pages asking for the grail, questioning sloosh and pushing damdred. What more do you want from me? to have even criticism and perfect phrasing so i never have a shred of doubt about your towniness and can 99% town read you instead of 80-85%; thanks | ||
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On September 06 2014 07:08 IAmRobik wrote: Let's lynch a townie so that he can angel protect me isn't lynching a scum read better in like...every scenario except when it's a spiteful townie? cuz if we are wrong on the scum read and we lynch town, then a townie SHOULD protect the person with the grail with the angel power at least for the first night. plus there is no guarantee the grail bearer would be the target of the kill (thus confirming him as town to the martyr). best case scenario: we lose a town, save happens, kill no mafia, keep grail bearer alive. worst case scenario: 2 towns die (1 potentially being the person with the grail). if we are right, we lynch scum and the scum would put protection on some random person or a teammate, and the martyr SHOULD take the death for the grail bearer and thus confirm the grail bearer as town. best case scenario: we lynch a scum and get a protection trade 1 for 0. worst case scenario: we trade 1 for 1 (potentially martyr or grail bearer). maybe i am wrong with this analysis, but it seems like both the potential gain and loss of intentionally lynching a town are worse. | ||
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On September 06 2014 11:18 gobbledydook wrote: Misrepresenting me again. I don't have to post a list of all lurkers every time I describe lurkers, I don't have to post a list of all bad posters every time I describe bad posters. I don't know why anyone would consider it scummy that I discuss scummy behaviour of one person while not saying the same about another similar person. BECAUSE I'M NOT DISCUSSING THE OTHER PERSON RIGHT NOW? It's almost a ploy to deflect attention, 'well, yeah, true, but look at the other guy he's just like that'. Doesn't mean what you posted is any good. how are you being misrepresented EXACTLY? also, can i get updated reads from you on like....everyone. don't remember reads from you in like forever. would like reasons too, even if they are just 1-2 sentences. thanks. unfortunate news regarding Town Jesus: i won't be around as much as I want during the next 24-36 hrs. someone at my work broke their foot and it looks like i am going to have to cover multiple shifts for them as well as do my own. if this deters you from voting on me for the grail, then i understand; however i am still Town Jesus. which means i gotta figure out which of you assholes is scum pretty damn soon. like when i get a couple hours to not post from my phone. | ||
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i mean the guy placed a late throwaway vote on himself for grail which doesn't help us get any info in the future at all, i looked at his filter and outside of his tunnel on koshi for a feeling he had early game he basically has 0 clearly stated reads, and he has just been walkin around accusing people. | ||
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On September 07 2014 02:03 yamato77 wrote: ritoky, throw your support behind my campaign and we'll lynch rayn aren't i tied for or in the lead? i know i am town, sooo....? also could you give me bulletpoints on the lynch rayn movement? i inherently don't like him cuz i remember him suggesting we lynch all the lurkers very early on and his weird bromantic relationship with geript where i couldn't tell which one was pocketing the other; but those aren't overwhelming reasons to lynch. | ||
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On September 07 2014 02:13 Damdred wrote: Last page I made a case against him ritoky cool i am like 1 page away from that, will read shortly | ||
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On September 07 2014 02:15 IAmRobik wrote: I just reviewed arnie got a gun real quick. I called oats obv town n0/d1 and i was wrong, so i read that game. oats gives 0 reads in his first 2 pages of his filter. Like absolutely none. He's taking stances this game from what i remember and it seems he's trying to solve the game. Also, we read certain situations similarly, which makes me feel good about him idk i don't particularly think he has given solid reads outside of the koshi one, but i can back off for now. he did think exactly like me a couple times which makes my ego feel good. also robik, i am starting to buy into your geript stuff a bit. his fall-off from early game has been REAL...like holy crap he has fallen off. | ||
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On September 07 2014 02:21 Oatsmaster wrote: I dont care whatever else happens today. LYNCH KOSHI FIRST. SCUM DIES TODAY. what's your opinion on rayn? since he is so confident in koshi that he is considering sheeping koshi? | ||
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On September 07 2014 02:20 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah that game was fun. I would vote for robik if i cant vote for myself. But since it doesnt fucking matter, im going to persist with this egoistical behavior. I think sloosh is scum and damdred is scummy among others man come on. also wtf, do you think the bus is HUGE? cuz isn't sloosh just going ham on damdred nonstop? what makes you think they could be scum together????? | ||
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it seems primarily like a meta case, which i would prefer not to subscribe to unless i have to. the thing i like about rayn is his want to lynch syl (who i also REALLY want to lynch) and his reason: syl openly scum read people he didn't have scum reads on in the SAME post. like what the hell is that? i don't like rayn for his crap with geript, his want to lynch lurkers, and he has a lot of odd "definite" statements where he is like "everyone is dumb" "robik's reads are way off" "geript understands why i am doing what i am doing" and similar things. they just sound like they come from a perspective of more information. so overall...yeah i would consider lynching him if syl isn't on the table. | ||
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On September 07 2014 02:53 geript wrote: FWIW, other than meta reasons, one of the things that's really bothered me about Robik is that his reads are so ephemeral. In the last game I was in (which I was scum), I didn't really cared what I said and I just spewed a bunch of random bullshit and never really bothered to figure out how much of it was right. It was just do stuff to look active and towny and stuff that sounds good. That's exactly how Robik's been playing. No read lasts, everything changes and it often changes so fast and so often that it's really hard to nail down where he actually stands "this second." I don't get why Rayn, Yam, and Koshi are all reading him town. but i had this problem with him earlier in the thread and simply asked him: "your reads aren't centralized so sometimes they are hard for me to find, could you list them?" and then robik listed them. why don't you just ask? he has shown a propensity to list his reads if you can't find them, at least for me he has. but maybe that's cuz i bribed him with chocolate sweetness. also as for him spewing crap incessantly. from what i have seen, robik spams regardless of alignment and borders on insulting regardless of alignment. | ||
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On September 07 2014 03:12 HaruRH wrote: stop hurting my ghostly heart, robik. doesn't do anything in thread, name is mentioned, appears with joke comment; hard to not instant scum read | ||
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Sylencia It starts out with him talking purely about setup and optimal play. When criticized by a couple people, he responds with how he doesn't have enough time or the ability where he is to view the thread or respond substantively in any manner. Then he responds substantively in defense of himself. He just immediately got defensive and whiny when accused; which is a mafia indicator for many players when they are caught early on. Secondly, this post: On September 04 2014 21:06 Sylencia wrote: Haru is town. Can't explain in too much detail without souping Haru. I am pretty certain I'm seeing the ideal situation and disagree with Koshi's statement about not seeing the big picture. Null: yamato - call out with no reasoning. Impossible to say anything about it damdred - 1 post rayn - 1 post lonemeow - not in yet I'm extremely conflicted about Oats. I hate the fact he called sloosh and koshi scum without any reasoning - and still without explaining why he called it out in the first place. His case against sloosh is pretty paper thin and I disagree with his interpretation of sloosh's posts. My interpretation is that the Oracle, Inquisitor and Wraith do what they think is best in terms of both finding the best time to reveal and expose themselves to soup, and in addition who they target. All of us, including the mentioned roles should (at some point closer to deadline more likely) put in suggestions as to who are the ideal target(s). Obviously we can wait for sloosh to come back to smooth things out a bit, but I feel like Oats is just cherry picking the part that makes sloosh look the worse and ignoring everything around it. Main reason why I'm conflicted is because the way Oats has been playing is classic town Oats and some high percentage of games (I think) end up with Oats being mislynched D1 because of it -_- IAmRobik - pretty townie, can't see scum seeing the gobble grail vote reasoning before being told about it. I wouldn't ever hammer over this alone, but it's definitely a strike against gobble Gobble is null-scum - Until I think about it later, something gives me a bad feeling about the initial planning post (regarding Inquis/Oracle visiting the same person) - like it feels like a plan to stifle the information we get from the Inquisitor in order to get Oracle views, which I think is pretty average N1. Then there's the case from Robik which I still think is still decent, but as I said, it's not solid enough evidence. Scum team prediction so far: 1 of the players who haven't posted more than once or twice, oats and gobble. As rayn pointed out very clearly. The guy claims null reads on people then scum reads them later in the same post. It is a load of wishywashy bs where he SCUM reads his NULL reads. Like....I can't even begin to comprehend. Thirdly, this sequence: On September 07 2014 00:48 IAmRobik wrote: Damdred is basically scum claiming. "I'm going to do work to prove that i'm town" goes off and posts in a different game instead of playing this one "guys, i'm just keeping up with what's happening right now, which is hard cause it's like 1 post per half hour" leaves again "guys, i'm not gonna do work because i don't think 6 hours is enough time to do the work required to convince you that i'm town" Fuck that shit. On September 07 2014 00:50 Sylencia wrote: Give it at least another day Robik, silent night at least means he can catch up (properly) and if he doesn't do anything tomorrow then I'd consider it. I just think there's bigger fish to fry. Why give it a day on damdred? Why are you hard defending him now, you haven't hard defended him anywhere all thread. You don't even really give a reason as far as I have read into your filter. You just sound like someone who might be trying to buy some cred or keep a scum buddy alive. Also if there are bigger fish to fry, then WHY AREN'T YOU PUSHING FOR ANY OF THEM???????????????????????? I cannot comprehend his play as town, so he isn't. ##vote: sylencia ##deadlinevote: sylencia a couple minutes late to leave for work now FAKKKKKKKKKKK was wurf | ||
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On September 08 2014 10:58 geript wrote: Also for the record. Pretty sure Koshi was a miss. what precisely leads you to this conclusion? also what do you think of the judge going completely against the candidates that the majority of town wanted? | ||
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On September 08 2014 12:56 IAmRobik wrote: I was trying to be crafty so that they would try to soup oats = judge you medivigicopjudge? | ||
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On September 08 2014 13:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar you are supposed to tell who gobble saved. rayn, i really need your help right here. tell me about geript and your read on him, cuz he is a giant question mark right now for me. | ||
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On September 08 2014 13:13 Damdred wrote: I don't think rayn is scum anymore why not? | ||
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On September 08 2014 13:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: I cant read geript. I wanted him to have the double vote so madia would maybw kill him and i could trust his reads. I will read thw thread again tomorrow. I realky habw no time bwfore that because reading on phone in pain in thw ass. so you pushed for the grail on someone who you didn't think was town????????????? how is that town? | ||
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On September 08 2014 14:55 slOosh wrote: How is taking a stance on a dead person helpful? are you dense? | ||
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right, because let's not consider that it's a no-flip game, so it's more like video mafia than regular forum mafia where speculation on the alignment of the dead is valuable information. that aside, there is NO VOTING RECORD. this was decided by 1 person, so we have no record of people's thoughts on the matter. why the hell do you want less information in the thread? | ||
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On September 09 2014 01:53 geript wrote: In video mafia it's also 100% correct to not speculate on the dead. It's literally worthless information there too. i would rather not sit around and debate a difference in process with you, but needless to say, you're wrong. also i could care less if you think it's worthless. respond to it anyway. | ||
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On September 09 2014 02:29 Damdred wrote: Can you tell me why you think its off Robik? Ger could you tell me why you picked teh scum team you did? koshi, hit or miss? NOW | ||
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On September 09 2014 02:33 Damdred wrote: HIT On September 05 2014 01:58 Damdred wrote: Fraid so, just got my new phone so I can post whenever I want now. One thing right now is that robik says he got a scum read on rayn, but doesn't want to talk about it to avoid pressure? What is that? If you think someone is scum you should press it and try to destroy the scum, its robik why is he scared of pressure? And not sure why if rayn is scum it would make him nervous of ger From rereading filters so far and catching up I like gooble, asks some good questions and it seems to have some follow up. And Koshi is not his normal self it feels like. I know he says hes tring a new non mass posting thing, but pregame he said he would be posting lots and a lot of his posts lack a ton of content and some of his reads lack some explanations. Asks a lot of questions without drawing conclusions once asked it seems. This is pretty much your first real post of the game, then you don't push him in any way; so if you are confident he was a hit then why weren't you pushing on him? | ||
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On September 09 2014 02:46 Damdred wrote: I wasn't as confident before i reread the game, and I got distracted by Sloosh going on me like he did got to defensive. what made you more confident now? also what else did you change your mind on? | ||
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On September 09 2014 03:20 IAmRobik wrote: Hey Ritoky, do you think that Koshi was a hit or a miss? You forgot to answer your own question. based off of how many people say he's a hit over a miss, I might actually believe that he's a miss I would like to answer after all or the majority of the thread has stated their opinion because i feel that koshi did something VERY alignment indicative toward the end of the day; but if you would like it now i can share. | ||
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On September 09 2014 04:01 yamato77 wrote: Does it matter? I thought he looked bad D1 but there's nothing exactly definitive. yes it does matter to me, hit or miss? | ||
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On September 09 2014 04:10 Damdred wrote: Yeaaaaaa sureee you can go with that. Must be easy to scum read someone based on something that has nothin to do with this game. Ger is twisting meta that isn't even true really to scum read me, and robs using me posting in both places to scum read me. okay, i won't twist anything; i will ask for your word instead. why are you spending significantly more time in the other game than this one? and why did you lie about it to me earlier? | ||
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On September 09 2014 07:01 yamato77 wrote: It's hard to tell if he is basically just going to tunnel sloosh Instead of scum reads, I want people to begin listing people they think are definitive townies. This game is only ever going to work if people begin trusting one another. Define the bolded word lol. Like would never vote on them all game level? 75% sure level? Or just reading them town level? | ||
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robik - thought scum, hesitant after so many people said scum geript - fuck you damdred - scum yamato77 - town sloosh - null, leaning scum oats - assuming scum since he voted on the guy harurh - town rayn - wishywashy scum sylencia - isn't around enough to do anything LM - isn't around enough to do anything Why Koshi was 90% likely SCUM: Almost everyone in the game who has played with Koshi noticed that he was having a severe drop in both anger and activity from his typical town play. Here is me basically summarizing it, cuz I am the amazing Town Jesus: On September 04 2014 13:47 ritoky wrote: i don't think koshi is scum yet; but he is leaning that way. i have only played 2 games with him, and the one where he was town he wanted to actively grab the game by the balls and lead town. the fact that he doesn't want to do that and seems content passing the grail to one of his town reads in geript isn't in line w/ the previous town play i experienced of his. After quite a few people lob accusations of, Koshi felt the need to address it: On September 05 2014 01:54 Koshi wrote: It's the new and improved me. Mass posting is terrible for me because I get insanely caught within the thread. I need to be able to take a step back and look at the thread without bias. It's much better for my reads. I just need people to do the legwork for me. He claimed a change in playstyle. An excuse. It is what mafia do. I have seen mafia claim to be moving as an excuse for inactivity, mafia claim to be sick, mafia claim they had work, on these forums excuses are excuses and in my experience usually made by mafia. HOWEVER, there's 2 interesting tidbits in there. Did you notice them? Let's read the post again but with bolded parts! On September 05 2014 01:54 Koshi wrote: It's the new and improved me. Mass posting is terrible for me because I get insanely caught within the thread. I need to be able to take a step back and look at the thread without bias. It's much better for my reads. I just need people to do the legwork for me. 1) This may just be him not being a native English speaker and me being a bit of an asshole, but read that phrasing. If someone was trying to say they get easily consumed by the thread they would use the phrase "caught up in". However, he says "caught within"; as in if he posts a lot there is something of his to catch. This is probably not very believable to many, but I am a bitch about awkward phrasing, and I don't let it go. 2) "I just need people to do the legwork for me" - Let me translate this for you: "I don't want to contribute to town in any meaningful way." That is mafia mindset plain and simple. Especially coming from Koshi. So we have Koshi's inactivity and absence of anger, along with his excuse. Now after that he kinda cruises through the thread for a bit, with his only real contribution being a scum read on confirmed town who later outed as the Martyr. And then we approach the deadline. On September 07 2014 06:05 Koshi wrote: Let's get majority please. I am willing to sheep. Translation: "I am willing to GUARANTEED LYNCH ANYONE, rather than have the possibility of the judge randomly lynching me". Koshi's mindset was not that of a town, toward the end of the day all he cared about was getting oats to remove him from his tunnel, and getting a majority on ANYONE. That is not town to me in any way. Flat out. I think there is a 90% likelihood that Koshi was mafia. Now that I am pretty sure Koshi was scum, let's look at inconsistencies in what people have claimed: 1) damdred: he gave no real read at all on koshi during day 1; in fact i would say his only substantive interaction with him is rather positive and a softball: On September 07 2014 00:29 Damdred wrote: Koshi, was reading your filter. You seem pretty solid on gobble town and said in one post that her posts make you feel that way. What changed? Was it just because gobble put the vote on you and left for awhile? In a follow up post you said that gobbles early game was scummy. If you thought the early game was scummy why did you have gobble in your town pile to start with? Yet he flips his read entirely after "re-reading the entire thread" and noticing demeanor things about koshi, but not pointing them out to anyone. Do you also "want someone to do the legwork for" you? 2) rayn: this was rayn's stance on koshi faily close to the end of the day: On September 06 2014 13:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am starting to thonk i sheep Koshi tonight. this is rayn's stance on koshi right after the lynch: On September 08 2014 13:31 raynpelikoneet wrote: the problem with this game is the following. there were four people who were considered (usually) town leaders. me koshi geript and yamato. geript people do not trust on anyways, no matter what he says. i was not around for the most of the time. koshi didn't do shit - i think he could have even be scum based purely on that. yamato didn't get anything done. That leaves Koshi and yamato. I think there is one mafia between them because i am conflicted about the fact that the d1 was shit. yes it really was shit. you guys couldnt even get a fucking lynch done without me and thats terrible. however yamato looks town so id put my bets on koshi being mafia. This is rayn's stance on koshi when asked if it's a hit or miss: On September 09 2014 13:26 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi can say whatever he wants of "not posting much" or whatever but he can't actyually never do that when he is town. If that progression doesn't disturb you, then I am not really sure what will. 3) robik: his moving of his read to the fence is suspect in my mind. his reason was that "so many people are calling koshi a hit that i am beginning to doubt he was". sorry, but if there's one thing i know about town robik it is that he is confident in his reads to the point of having confidence and gall. your moving of your read to the fence demonstrates a healthy sense of paranoia for most people, but for you it shows wishywashyness in your reads. the last time i saw you go wishywashy you were mafia. what i learned about some people: A) i still want to lynch sylencia so much it is ridiculous. B) geript is probably town, adamant refusal to that extent is a thumbs up in my book C) oats is in a tunnel and probably town, but won't be very helpful. D) a solid read on sloosh still eludes me which makes me inherently think he might be scum. E) fuck LM F) really unsure about giving robik the grail now G) right now would lynch between syl, damdred, and rayn. My town right now: Town Jesus, probably geript, probably yamato77, probably oats, and maybe robik but he falling off. | ||
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On September 09 2014 14:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: what i mean by playing wrong is you cannot read properly or don't understand what you are reading. right because stating someone is wrong, and not why is constructive town behavior. thumbs up | ||
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On September 09 2014 15:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: you are forgetting the chain of events and what i didn't post (for obvious reasons as the nights are silent): - Koshi makes a case on gobble which i thought was good as i implied - gobble claims, which makes Koshi incorrect - rayn assumes Koshi will act like town leader and push another lynch if he is town (unless he is the judge in which case it would make sense for him to no-lynch aswell as he can decide the lynch by himself) - Koshi does not do that - rayn asks Koshi to help him lynch mafia - Koshi does not do that - N1 becomes - D2 becomes - rayn thinks Koshi was mafia now how does that not make sense? wait...i am an idiot...if he was mafia calling for a majority, then he was calling for one on you. thus you almost certainly aren't mafia if koshi is unless that bus was real. so rayn is most probably town. | ||
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sloosh....idk the guy is an engima to me this game. i felt he was extremely non-committal with all of his reads early on during d1. like he was posturing to see how the day would land. i also remember him getting rly angry about oats' early aggro tunnels on people and since then oats hasn't changed but sloosh stopped criticizing him for it. he does a lot of prompting of people and try to move the game along posts that don't have tons of substance too, and he switched to robik for grail off of me.... did he explain the switch? need to go look through his filter anyways that's a lot of the negatives i can remember, but i also remember thinking he had some redeeming posts, maybe i will find them looking in his filter | ||
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also i remember my redeeming thought on sloosh, i didn't think that dam and sloosh could both be mafia cuz of yesterday...like sloosh's bus would have had to be INTENSE. so it was a POE pass, since i think dam is more likely mafia than sloosh at this point. | ||
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still don't understand this guy. even that post is pure defense like earlier in the game. he doesn't pursue scum in any way, and then he retroactively says hey i read this guy scum. he can't be a donkey; he has to be scum....if not my mind is blown. | ||
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On September 10 2014 06:10 IAmRobik wrote: Feel free to CC him ritoky. regardless of if i am or not, direct cc is 100% a bad idea in this case because while you and rayn sell the crap line it is 1 for 1, it is probably 3 for 1, losing the target last night; the aco, and the inquis | ||
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On September 10 2014 11:06 Damdred wrote: I think syl claim is real so no won't vote him. then please address geript's post. | ||
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On September 11 2014 01:11 HaruRH wrote: Koshi could be town. I don't know exactly if he was town or not, so i am parking him under the 'wildcard' section, alongside anyone who gets lynched. I also like to think that scum won't vote together in this kind of game since information is scarce and it works better to vote differently. Therefore, i analysed every wagon and compared the remainder to decide who was scum or not. Geript is obv scum. Sloosh and damdred were the first comparison i made. Sloosh came out worse whereas damdred gave up. And town damdred gives up easily. Damdred, when scum, never gave up despite the odds. Second comparison was between ritoky and you. I was less inclined to call you mafia and ritoky have not been doing crap this game. Normally, when he rolls town (like all the game he played), he puts in tremendous effort, which can be seen by his vote analysis, etc. But none so far. Probably because he rolled scum. Oats is not someone i am willing to read further. I thus came to a conclusion that scum had to lie between oats, ritoky, sloosh, geript, koshi. The way oats was oblivious to this game literally made me call him town. Therefore, geript, sloosh, ritoky is my lynch order. like this is the worst post i have seen this thread in terms of reasoning. i mean it's really bad. 1) geript it obv scum: nice explanation you got going on there, going for the 0 reasoning vote. maybe geript and i are guilty of thinking TERRIBLE play = mafia, when terrible play could just be terrible town play. but if you don't think syl's claim is the worst thing you've ever seen and could potentially lead to a 3 for 1 or 3 for 0 trade, then holy crap do you need to go read the game setup. it is atrocious. 2) why must there NECESSARILY be a mafia between damdred and sloosh in your eyes? you don't explain that at all. seems like you KNOW there is one in there and you're just manufacturing a reason. 3) "ritoky have not been doing crap this game", bullshit. i did enough to warrant being 2nd in votes for the grail, what did you do? this reeks of someone who hasn't even looked at my filter who has run out of people to call scum just desperately trying to throw shade on someone. 4) you have given up on reading a player, how is that town? 5) and here's the kicker: "I also like to think that scum won't vote together in this kind of game since information is scarce and it works better to vote differently." -> "Therefore, geript, sloosh, ritoky is my lynch order." -> Sylencia (2) - Geript, ritoky wow nice call there guy. | ||
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He pre-claims his claim as a threat to town, testing the waters; then he claims because geript of all people tells him "claim or die" and he feels like this is substantive pressure? Geript is someone he HAS A SCUM READ ON. WHY THE HELL WOULD HE FEEL PRESSURED WHEN HIS SCUM READ CALLS HIM SCUM????? Reeks of nervousness and scum not knowing how to handle pressure. He also takes a very very long time to say he confirms his claim even after everyone assumes it. Then he basically treats it like a get out of jail free card, and all of his posts after he has basically bought a no lynch for today are what? Defensive and not scum hunting in the slightest. Everyone except 2 people basically think he is confirmed town and yet what does he do with this license? NOTHING TO HELP TOWN. Now that's just from the context, let's look at the claim itself and how bad it is. 1st, acolyte is one of the easiest roles in the game to claim as mafia. most of the roles are near impossible to claim, acolyte is not. so what do you hope to accomplish from this claim? like what is the goal here? i don't know. assuming the witches didn't target the martyr last night (which is highly likely given the kill description), then they know someone in the game's role. revealing you are acolyte if it is true gives them a 2nd confirmed role, and SUBSTANTIAL INFORMATION toward who the inquisitor is (if you're buying that "i didn't read who the inquis is in my pm crap then you are the most naive town ever). Which means, that if he is indeed town, all his claim did was give mafia huge information at the expense of him not getting pressured and maybe lynched. Like, it wasn't even the end of the day or anything. We are talking nearly 48 hours left in the day he feels this pressure. Why the hell wouldn't he just try and project town?????? Essentially if we miss on this lynch, and he is also town, we are looking at him giving them a 4 for 0 and if we are lucky only a 3 for 0. If we hit mafia we are looking at a 3 for 1 or a 4 for 1, both of those are horrible outcomes. And it's not like he doesn't understand the setup, it was all he talked about early on and his most recent post was about the mechanics of souping....soooo he GETS THIS AND STILL DID THIS. That play is too bad to come from a town mindset. I cannot believe it does. Think about this nightmare scenario too (that we could very well be in). That koshi was the acolyte and robik was town. So we are already down 3 townies right now. We miss on our lynch, 4th goes down. The witches soup 3 people tonight. 7 townies down. Game is over. If he is mafia making this play it buys them a day. Let's assume syl is mafia making this claim, and koshi was acolyte now (since the more i read i have begun to doubt my koshi was mafia read) and i still think robik was town, so we are down 3 town right now. if we miss on the lynch, then we are down 4. let's say they soup 2. we are down 6 town and in final 7 with 3 witches. do you see how great that scenario is for a claim? i think geript is town, this is a miss. haru, dam, syl is where we should be. | ||
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On September 11 2014 04:45 slOosh wrote: As an aside, also I keep pushing it off b/c stuff comes up, but I don't think the points you made against Koshi were too valid. First point is a phrasing thing I think you are reading into, second is letting people do legwork could be a town playstyle (like yam did in Storm 2), wanting lynch could be town (for my reason of wanting lynch) and something else but it's not too important right now. Quick thoughts on Oats for sake of completeness? oats has been in the tunnel hard like i was in order mafia, but then he suddenly came out of it right now. not really sure what i make of that right now. he is probably town because he had the exact same thoughts as me and posted them simultaneously early in day 1. but if i am wrong on 1 of dam/syl/haru, then oats would be one of the people i would consider putting in as a replacement. | ||
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On September 11 2014 04:51 slOosh wrote: Could you help me out here? It's like Syl did the "imma claim" and you guys all figured out he claimed acolyte before he said so. What post am I missing? Pre-claim: On September 09 2014 16:28 Sylencia wrote: LM: Voting for the person I find my personal top scum read especially early on the day is in no way scummy - sloosh is 2nd on my list but I've been saying it since yesterday that I find geript to be the most scummy. If sloosh is worse in other's eyes and people want him dead, naturally I'm willing to switch. Anyways if you guys are going to vote for me I can very easily claim, since I'd rather take the bullet tonight than have a better role die, and if I do survive it's still a win for town considering it's still more or less a confirmed townie. In addition, because of the fact the necromancer only knowing of the role of someone still alive, it'd be impossible to fake claim the role which was discovered because that person is still alive and able to CC. Rayn: will respond to you when i get home, since I'm leaving work now  Claim: On September 09 2014 20:19 Sylencia wrote: Anyways: Claim or die geript? Nah the brilliant part is that I didn't read who was the Inquisitor until now (to prevent myself from giving away information consciously or unconsciously) so that if the time came I would be able to role claim safely. On that note, our inquisitor is still alive and well. Alive or dead, I don't care but to me it's up to the scum team to decide what happens during the night. What goes down N2 is probably the most telling thing in terms of the scum that are left. "Why would you not read it when you first got it, other than the fact you'd be doing this to role claim later because that seems like horrible play?" - Keeps me from being too biased given my knowledge of the inquisitor (too sheepy etc) - Mathematically only a 1/12 chance of the inquisitor being lynched. Given that town players also act less scummy in general, that chance of being lynched decreases. This helps me justify not looking at it. - If they died N1, I'd check. Given we know the martyr died, there was no need. I was going to hold on to whether or not I'd read it for another 12 hours because the final 24 hours of the day are always more important but yeah, since I have 3-4 votes on me my hand was kind of forced. Confirmation: On September 10 2014 01:46 Sylencia wrote: Yes rayn, I'm confirming the claim - why would i write that entire explanation otherwise -_- Also geript, it's really not hard but I don't really want to go into PM details since I'm sure that's gonna end up being grey territory. You read your role. You can obviously see more text but you don't read it. Wow, hard. Take for example the PM I sent out for Guilty: You could read the first line and stop actively knowing that you wanted to limit your information. Other than that, my post and one of geript's earlier posts says everything I think needs to be said. If you got a more specific question than "what am i missing?" i can try to answer it. but to me it is blatantly obvious. 1) pre-claim threat 2) claim under pressure from someone you read as scum 3) claim with over 2 days left in phase 4) claim makes 0 sense 5) don't use your "confirmed town" status to help town at all what more do you need to think a claim is fake? | ||
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On September 11 2014 04:56 yamato77 wrote: They would have had to have targeted Koshi for a dead player to be the Acolyte and them know it. what other role would you claim if you're mafia feeling nervous that you're about to get rolled? | ||
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On September 11 2014 05:03 yamato77 wrote: One more damaging to counterclaim. acolyte is incredibly damaging to counterclaim, if someone counterclaims you and they have made some things obvious in their filter, it potentially becomes an instant 2 for 1 trade; coupled with the fact that the witches likely know someone else's role as well from last night. 3 for 1????? how is that not damaging? | ||
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On September 11 2014 05:13 slOosh wrote: Right. You could very well be right. But geript is right in the sense of we are really close to deadline and I don't think we are able to come to a definitive conclusion of the Syl matter, and so we are coming up with a good contingency plan i.e. back up lynch. hence my vote on haru, which i feel is a way better place to be than geript. geript probably my top town read in the game right now. | ||
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On September 11 2014 05:14 slOosh wrote: Oh shoot missed your haruRH vote. Hrmm.... man my reads have been changing pretty drastically. Are the lynch options essentially boil down to "they aren't playing the game"? Or do people have more objections of them? my criticism of haru is that he is lurking and only begins actually doing things when people accuse him. then we get a sudden burst of activity, then he vanishes. he also seems to lack significant investment in his reads. i don't really feel he cares right now who gets lynched. | ||
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i am the inquisitor, on night 1 i investigated geript and he is green, on night 2 i investigated HaruRH and he is RED. we didn't get a shot last night, which means that either koshi/oats was confirmed mafia or one of them was exorcist. Damdred is faking a red check on me it seems, which would make him confirmed mafia, and haru as another mafia. if we got one in oats/koshi then it's a wrap unless the remaining one after the lynch today soup chains us all. i checked geript because i read robik as town and they were butting heads hardcore. he turned up green and you will plainly see me sheeping and calling geript town nonstop yesterday. i didn't think syl was my acolyte, i was wrong. i flipped shit and almost lynched him because his play was so atrocious that i couldn't believe he could possibly be my acolyte; and even if he was he could have bread crumbed to me. luckily he didn't do it enough to warrant me getting souped before i got off a red check. i checked haru because i didn't like his burst of activity only when accused of being mafia, and i wanted to start narrowing down the lurkers in the game. turns out one of them was mafia. lynch damdred and haru in any order and we win the game. i was tempted to come out yesterday as well when damdred did the same thing softing my role when he did the "i read rayn's filter and flipped my read"; i wrote it off as a one time thing, then he proceeded to do nothing last phase and softed it again with the exact same line on me. he is fake claiming inquis, lynch him. if an oracle was on me n1, we can really solve this game as the wraith was on me n1 so we will know if koshi was mafia or not for certain. | ||
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On September 12 2014 10:48 Damdred wrote: You know how I honestly feel this thread Yamato? Most of day 1 I got called shit and scum and I wasn't able to play due to rl issues when I was asked for oinons I tried to give them the rest of the time I was called a whiny bitch. So I hope town loses this game IDC I got treated like trash soon as I came back to the thread, and all its been all game is lynch damdred and I'll be glad after today. Also the game everyone gave me crap for posting in and trying in, I was mafia so fuck you guys you don't have to get whiny and salty because you made a plan to fake claim as scum and it blew up in your face. you're scum with haru. i said what i said because i wanted to bait your soft into a hard claim because it gives me 2 CONFIRMED mafia; now that you have solidified that i could care less if we lynch haru or you first. you're both witches and lynching both of you will probably win us the game. based on your attitude it seems like that's the case since you're so defeatist after your plan failed. | ||
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On September 12 2014 11:34 Damdred wrote: Are you even reading Yamato, I can't sleep after reading that! He checked haru who came back red not me! rit is scum you claimed my role, thus you're scum as well as haru. | ||
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On September 12 2014 12:17 Damdred wrote: No Yamato answer the original question as mafia fake claiming why would I go for super aggressive rot who obviously can destroy me this game vs someone like lm or get who had a ton of pressure. because you have the demon witch and you saw that i investigated you and had no option but to fake claim???? | ||
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lynch dam and haru, and it's probably gg. hopefully there's not 3. | ||
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if you lynch me you're lynching your cop and that's plain sad. cya tmrw, hope there's a majority on damdred. | ||
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On September 12 2014 13:17 geript wrote: Ritoky why'd you check Robik n1? On September 12 2014 09:01 ritoky wrote: i am the inquisitor, on night 1 i investigated geript and he is green, on night 2 i investigated HaruRH and he is RED. i checked you because i had a huge town read on robik and he was butting heads and wouldn't get off you as scum. going to bed for real this time. | ||
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anywayz, to me the game is very simple, lynch haru/damdred, and if there's another person well...that's a couple days down the line, i will consider it if i am still around then. one is fake claiming my role, the other is a red check fake claiming vigi. neither of their claims are believable or good. like honestly, why would haru even claim there? my guess is they have might have 3,so we are in a shitty spot and they are throwing everything but the kitchen sink at discrediting me and you guys seems to be eating that shit up like what the hell is this? On September 12 2014 15:17 HaruRH wrote: Geript (2) - Sylencia, HaruRH Sylencia (2) - ritoky, raynpelikoneet Damdred (3) - gobbeldydook, Koshi, geript Koshi (1) - Oatsmaster Raynpelikoneet (5) - Yamato77, Damdred, IAmRobik, SloOsh,gobbledydook what relevant information does this bring? it even has gobble on it twice. there's no point for him to claim if he actually is exorcist. i have already claimed cop and some guy fake claimed against me, why would he just out and get himself killed to soup (esp this early in the day) when it is already clear that either myself or damdred has to go. the game's simple. stop over-complicating it. lynch damdred, then haru or haru then damdred; doesn't matter the order. hopefully that wins us the game. if not, we have some thinking to do or if the pope is still alive then we will know who the final one is. anywayz off to work. | ||
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i find it funny that you all seem like you really want to lynch your cop and that we get people saying "well, ritoky seemed better with his claim, but since then...". damdred and haru are sitting here desperate, pandering, and making emotional appeals; while i am sitting here confident in my checks and that i have solved the game. sorry, but cops have more information they don't need to be desperate and whiny. also for those of you saying i "cc'd" damdred. go look at the post i made and the timers of our claims. they are within a minute of eachother i believe. i fully intended to post regardless of if he did or not. as for why i am relaxed in a situation. because to me it is simple; the game is pretty much solved for me; i am dead during either this phase or the night phase, and i have found the mafia. if you guys want to be dumb and lynch your cop because you have terrible reads and give in to pandering and appeals to emotion rather than town play for the entire game; then good on you, your reads are awful. like i have been saying, lynch haru and damdred in any order; likely a win. | ||
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On September 13 2014 04:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: geript here is the situation if Haru and Damdred are mafia. The only reasonable explanation for them both claiming is if we are @ 5-3. If we are at 6-2 we have a mislynch and them not dying the next night will make the town insta-lynch them. It makes zero sense for BOTH of them to claim if they are the last 2 mafia left. They have to have hit robert on N1 and learned that robert is the exorcist. and again, they get lynched if they do not die the next night. You are being really fucking dumb geript. Especially regarding the claims. I find it almost impossible to believe you think it's possible Damdred and Haru are mafia because of what i just said and because of the fact ritoky claimed to have checked three people -- one of them was his TOWNREAD -- you. Do you usually check townreads as a cop? Didn't claim to check 3 people, but alas; if it is more likely that the team of 3 is on the other side and not mine; then why as town would you want to lynch me? Wouldn't the safe play to be lynch into team of 3, then if I am alive lynch me the following day since on 1 side it is lylo and on the other it is not? Your perspective doesn't make a whole lot of sense and your read is atrocious. | ||
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On September 13 2014 04:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: THE DUDE SAID HE CHECKED YOU BECAUSE YOU AND ROBERT WERE DISAGREEING WITH EACH OTHER!! HE READ YOU AS TOWN!!! READ THAT OVER AND OVER AGAIN AND TELL ME HOW IT DOES MAKE SENSE!?!?!?!? it makes sense when you have an extremely strong town read on a guy with double voting power and he won't stop relentlessly pushing someone else; who you have a slight town read on. it also gave me what i felt was more information on your alignment. | ||
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On September 13 2014 04:09 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yeah we are in LYLO but in the end you say there is only 2 scum left. get lynched scum. are you their 3rd? i didn't think he would green check a partner; but the level to which you are buying into their shit... | ||
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lynch damdred and haru. if there's a 3rd; you figure it out, but right now looks like rayn. | ||
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if you play games with me in the future, expect to never hear the end of how terrible your read was. | ||
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also, i talked myself out of souping damdred the night he red checked me. i was like 80-85% on him as cop, and talked myself out of it last second. then i type "watch him red check me", and he does. just a lack of confidence from me. i also felt i could have beat damdred out on the claim phase, but i messed up 2 or 3 times and well...LM was unfortunately an uninspiring partner so i basically conceded at that point. | ||
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the witch QT is funny, its just me spamming to myself pretty much. | ||
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