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Does that mean that if the witches use Witch Soup to post a list of all the combinations of player - role matches, they instantly win? | ||
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On September 03 2014 11:12 gobbledydook wrote: Wait Does that mean that if the witches use Witch Soup to post a list of all the combinations of player - role matches, they instantly win? Or does it mean, you may match any number of players to roles instead of the nightkill, but you may not match a player to more than one role per night? | ||
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On September 04 2014 08:01 HaruRH wrote: Like which scum won't kill the 2 vote item thing? Scum going for grail night 1 would just result in an unpreventable martyr. | ||
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You're late to the party. | ||
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On September 04 2014 08:20 geript wrote: I like this point. HarURH is my second lynch of choice currently. you think haru is actively trying to confuse the town into giving the grail to a wrong person? I'm not sold on the idea that he's acting maliciously. | ||
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On September 04 2014 08:24 IAmRobik wrote: Excessive word usage...mafia. I'm literally going to tear apart each and every one of your posts Goooooblymaf you're just being unreasonable now and it's not even two hours into the game. | ||
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On September 04 2014 08:40 slOosh wrote: Koshi, do you agree with geript's analysis on HaruRH? gobbledydook, who should we give the grail to and why? geript is a very reasonable man. I also think we should give it to him. geript doesn't seem like someone who would go full retard like robik. I trust he will use his powers wisely. ##HolyGrail: geript | ||
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On September 04 2014 08:46 IAmRobik wrote: It's way more verbose than it should be. I'm not sold on the idea that. who says that? That's the most convoluted fabricated phrasing ever. You have to purposefully think of that type of shit. Town just say "i don't" after their question. you're just picking at straws. give up. | ||
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On September 04 2014 08:49 slOosh wrote: Even though you disagree with his first read? Please explain. geript ninja'ed me. I was talking about how ridiculous robiks 'verbose' scumread of me was. | ||
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On September 04 2014 09:02 slOosh wrote: I'm confused so I'll ask again. You voted geript to hold the grail. You also disagreed with his read on HaruRH. I'm curious why you would want to give the grail to someone whose reads differ from you. What's the problem with that? I don't agree with this particular read but I think he's a good player overall that wouldn't misuse the double vote. | ||
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On September 04 2014 09:46 yamato77 wrote: I still think Koshi is mafia why? You have given no reason at all. | ||
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that's irrelevant | ||
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On September 04 2014 10:04 geript wrote: KK gobbly, good you're here. What are you going say when I get the grail and lynch you D1? Then I'll be a sad panda. Literally you could say that for any candidate I wished to give the grail to. What's to say they won't lynch me. | ||
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On September 04 2014 10:38 gobbledydook wrote: I don't think 'giving the grail' should be contingent on the receiver promising to do X action this game. Whoever is given the grail, should use his own good judgement to lynch witches. God save us if we give it to the witches. EBWOP I meant' 'shouldnt be contingent' | ||
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On September 04 2014 10:54 Oatsmaster wrote: This is the part where you give the grail to me. Sloosh and koshi are scum. ##vote: koshi wtf why | ||
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On September 04 2014 10:59 IAmRobik wrote: Is this a new thing where people just give reads and don't explain them whatsoever. WHY WHY WHY WHY WHY? And why vote Koshi over Sloosh? I think he's just stirring shit up. We can safely ignore this vote. | ||
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On September 04 2014 11:30 IAmRobik wrote: Did you just ask him the question I asked him and then answered the question for him? Have you played this game before? Like wtf are you even doing? Like, I asked wtf, and because he didn't respond, I came to the conclusion that he is just stirring shit up. | ||
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On September 04 2014 11:56 ritoky wrote: what do you make of the fact that he is not the first person to do it. in fact yamato77 basically did the exact same thing. why didn't you question him? I also asked yamato why. Read my filter. | ||
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On September 04 2014 12:48 ritoky wrote: ok then, here's a better question. why do you not care about people responding to your questions when you find them odd/scummy? I think if they wanted to give a reason they would have given it by now. By elimination, they obviously don't want to give a reason, and the only reason I can think of why someone would blatantly refuse to explain is because they are trolling. It's just a few hours into the game, don't read too deeply into it. We will find out more about everyone's intentions as this day goes on. | ||
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On September 04 2014 12:54 gobbledydook wrote: I think if they wanted to give a reason they would have given it by now. By elimination, they obviously don't want to give a reason, and the only reason I can think of why someone would blatantly refuse to explain is because they are trolling. It's just a few hours into the game, don't read too deeply into it. We will find out more about everyone's intentions as this day goes on. To clarify, if someone pulled this shit in the last 24 hours of this day or even day 2 onwards, that would be really bad and I would be sure to press them for a reason. But it's still early enough that trolling is to be expected. | ||
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On September 04 2014 13:03 Sylencia wrote: From N2+ depending on how it goes (still interpreting this setup) shouldn't the Angelic Protection + Oracle visit line up instead? If town makes it clear who is the ideal target to protect before the night falls, it could free up the Inquisitor to start checking others. Naturally the plan doesn't work if a witch is killed D1, but that's already a win. Also, the flaw in following this plan N1 is by lining up who is getting checked, they will either be confirmed witch regardless (they won't kill their own teammate obviously) or they're going to die and the inquisitor check is wasted. Not sure if I actually like that. We can't rely on Angelic Protection until we know town outnumber witches in the angels qt. Which we can't know until we use the oracle proc. Remember we don't even know if we lynched witch or not until we actually check! This is why I suggest the inquisitor+oracle check. Regarding the witches killing the inquisitor/oracle check, that's fine. If we check a dubious person and then witches decide to kill that person to stop the inquisitor check, then good, it leaves the strong town players alive. If they kill someone else, good, now the inquisitor gets the check off. Also I probably shouldn't have to remind anyone, but don't claim unless you would either win on that day, or town would lose if the claim was not made. Because soup exists :/ | ||
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On September 04 2014 13:05 IAmRobik wrote: The discussion about checking is over...everyone is checking me. Doing anything else is stupid. This insures that the most information is garnered.  no. I do not see how you are a particularly good target for a n1 check. | ||
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On September 04 2014 13:29 IAmRobik wrote: If everyone uses their powers on me (including the witches) then information will be gathered. Don't be a donkey that could be said for checking anyone. you just want to be loved amirite | ||
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On September 04 2014 13:31 IAmRobik wrote: IMPORTANT: As soon as you enter angel chat, you MUST instantly claim your role. FUCK NO that's just asking to get souped. The angels cannot communicate with the town, but the witches in angel QT can still speak in witch QT. so if you claim in angel qt you are just informing scum who you are, making it easier to soup? | ||
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On September 04 2014 13:37 Oatsmaster wrote: Who gives a shit dude? Why are you caring about this rather than caring who's scum? Why is koshi and sloosh scum you still haven't answered bro | ||
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and how would you know? I assumed that witches wouldn't be banned from the witch qt on death. | ||
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On September 04 2014 13:40 geript wrote: I forgot this. The first post you make in Angel Chat should be your role. Don't lie. This helps the angels determine who was a witch as they have a harder time instaclaiming (it's far from impossible though). Unless I get confirmation that the dead witch can't talk to the alive witch, I disagree. | ||
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On September 04 2014 13:41 Oatsmaster wrote: Really really bad entry. Why speculate on the setup with your first and second post and not eve bother about the main part of the game. You do realise that we can lynch someone today right? TODAY. Top 3 scum reads now syl WHY ARE SLOOSH AND KOSHI SCUM | ||
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Assuming you are correct, then yes, you should claim as soon as you die. | ||
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On September 04 2014 13:47 Oatsmaster wrote: This right here. Feels so much like scum knowing who's town. And making the least suspicious vote for the holy grail. Also he didn't vote for himself or have any intention of voting for himself. The optimal play as town is ensuring you get the items. Koshi does not care about that. He cares about not drawing suspicion to himself by voting himself. Wrong focus. Scum. Lynch OKAY WHAT ABOUT SLOOSH | ||
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On September 04 2014 13:50 Sylencia wrote: No, because the proposal given is an isolated train of thought that isn't connected (as far as I know) to the rest of the game that is going on. Apparently lurking instead of tryingto expand on an idea when I can't actually do anything else is scummy though so.. ok. wait what lurking is scummy when did you ever see anyone say lurking is towny | ||
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On September 04 2014 13:52 Oatsmaster wrote: Ritoky, why did sloosh ask you that softball question? Was there previous interaction that I missed? Sloosh is scum cause he hasn't done anything useful yet. Just asked a few useless questions. So he has the time to post a bit but doesn't do anything with that time. What do you think of sloosh's defense of Haru? I would consider that to be 'doing something', but yes apart from defending haru he really hasn't done anything. | ||
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On September 04 2014 15:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: Don't talk about setup. You can only help scum. Don't claim unless i tell you to. Period. har har har har why should any of us listen to you. and what are your reafs. | ||
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screw phoneposting | ||
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On September 04 2014 16:36 Oatsmaster wrote: I just saw this. So you want to have setup talk to develop information and reads. But you dont actually want to have setup talk. ##unvote ##vote sloosh I feel that is quoting sloosh out of context. the way i read it he is discussing the setup and comes to the conclusion that it is hard to actually execute any coordinated power role plan because any claim will get souped. I think that is a fair point to make even though I do think the inquisitor+oracle visit should yield the most information for the two. | ||
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On September 04 2014 16:45 Oatsmaster wrote: So sloosh concludes that setup discussion is useless right? But in the very next post, he wants people to discuss the setup. There is no point discussing the setup if there is no advantage to be gained. And there isnt. So many roles are standalone. i think you are misunderstanding him. my view is he was referring to earlier setup-talk posts as towny in order to explain his current reads, not necessarily as in 'its useless but keep talking about it muhahaha' | ||
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On September 04 2014 21:06 Sylencia wrote: Haru is town. Can't explain in too much detail without souping Haru. I am pretty certain I'm seeing the ideal situation and disagree with Koshi's statement about not seeing the big picture. Null: yamato - call out with no reasoning. Impossible to say anything about it damdred - 1 post rayn - 1 post lonemeow - not in yet I'm extremely conflicted about Oats. I hate the fact he called sloosh and koshi scum without any reasoning - and still without explaining why he called it out in the first place. His case against sloosh is pretty paper thin and I disagree with his interpretation of sloosh's posts. My interpretation is that the Oracle, Inquisitor and Wraith do what they think is best in terms of both finding the best time to reveal and expose themselves to soup, and in addition who they target. All of us, including the mentioned roles should (at some point closer to deadline more likely) put in suggestions as to who are the ideal target(s). Obviously we can wait for sloosh to come back to smooth things out a bit, but I feel like Oats is just cherry picking the part that makes sloosh look the worse and ignoring everything around it. Main reason why I'm conflicted is because the way Oats has been playing is classic town Oats and some high percentage of games (I think) end up with Oats being mislynched D1 because of it -_- IAmRobik - pretty townie, can't see scum seeing the gobble grail vote reasoning before being told about it. I wouldn't ever hammer over this alone, but it's definitely a strike against gobble Gobble is null-scum - Until I think about it later, something gives me a bad feeling about the initial planning post (regarding Inquis/Oracle visiting the same person) - like it feels like a plan to stifle the information we get from the Inquisitor in order to get Oracle views, which I think is pretty average N1. Then there's the case from Robik which I still think is still decent, but as I said, it's not solid enough evidence. Scum team prediction so far: 1 of the players who haven't posted more than once or twice, oats and gobble. I'm amazed that you are null reading the person who has posted nothing but 'i think koshi is scum' and 'still think hes scum'. I think it's very weird that yamato would bother to come in, make an unsubstantiated post, and then disappear. Clearly he had the time to post, but his effort doesn't show it. | ||
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On September 04 2014 21:39 Koshi wrote: gobbledydook, what is your read on yamato? He's scum. He had better have a good reason to explain his posting or I'm voting the shit out of him. As I said he has the time to come into the thread to say koshi is scum without any explanation, but doesn't actually bother to do anything constructive. One can only presume he's wasting our time. | ||
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On September 04 2014 20:39 Koshi wrote: I think I am ok with the following people. Just based on their posts. •Oatsmaster only because ritoky •gobbledydook •IAmRobik •geript •slOosh •ritoky This is a really bad post. Like baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaad. It literally is the scummiest list of random people I have ever seen. | ||
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On September 04 2014 22:07 Oatsmaster wrote: Why does scum draw attention to himself like that? That's a good point. I don't know. I don't know why town would do that either. It's just anti-town. | ||
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1) On September 04 2014 20:39 Koshi wrote: I think I am ok with the following people. Just based on their posts. •Oatsmaster only because ritoky •gobbledydook •IAmRobik •geript •slOosh •ritoky this is a really bad post. It's a list of town people with no explanation whatsoever. It's not a list town would make. 2) he has done nothing while posting a whole page of filler. I don't see any insight he has offered that I would expect an experienced player like koshi would make as town. He went to sleep when the day had just started, but his posts haven't gained substance since he woke up. A look through sloosh's filter and it's not impressive either. There's some meaningless setup talk, and then there are a series of open-ended questions without actually committing to anything. I don't even know what his reads are. I agree with oats here on sloosh scum. | ||
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didn't you do this sort of fakeclaim in noir mini that screwed the whole town over. | ||
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On September 05 2014 00:39 IAmRobik wrote: Is that the game where idiots lynched BH and then lynched MysteryMeat, cause they can't read into what's going on in a game? If you think I'm to blame for that, you're out of your fucking mind. We can discuss this another day. Let's move on. | ||
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On September 05 2014 00:50 IAmRobik wrote: No -- he's saying he thinks that person x is trying to say _____. Yes, it's a read, but it's not a read. It's not "i think he's town because i think he's doing such-and-such to generate conversation". He's just saying "I think that this person thinks this because he's doing that" Yes, this post is confusing. Just read Gooble's posts to understand what i'm trying to say It seems you don't like how my reads are presented. You are entitled to your opinion. And I don't care. | ||
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On September 05 2014 09:05 slOosh wrote: You guys want to see a cool trick? ##Vote: Damdred bro, I still don't have any idea who your scumreads are and why. And I've gone to slept and woken up the next day already. and why vote damdred | ||
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As for 'commenting on the thread', I must disagree as well. I understand what you mean but I completely disagree that I have been a pedestrian. I can only say that if you want to talk about 'staying off the radar' I would think koshi is the worst offender of the lot: He's said nothing at all about his intentions and reads! I don't think I fall into that category. Because of this completely incorrect meta read, I must retract my grail vote from geript. | ||
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On September 05 2014 13:12 Sylencia wrote: Wait, but earlier on in the day you said you disagreed with his read on Haru, but you said he was a good player who won't misuse the power so he should have the grail. Is the fact you disagree on his meta read on you suddenly disregarding what you said in the first 6 hours of the game? Are you calling him scummy or bad player by doing this? I thought he was a good player. I thought wrong. | ||
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On September 05 2014 13:32 raynpelikoneet wrote: Here's where gobbly comments on Koshi's listpost. Now why is this post (in his mind) any worse than this: The red part. At the time that was one of my only posts in the game. Koshi had posted way more than i had. If gobbly thinks Koshi's listpost was bad my post here should be bad aswell. He never comments on anything on that post. I do not see a logical thought process from him regarding these two posts. I did not recall seeing this post, but it's really bad too. Be ashamed of yourself. You're certainly not in my town books. | ||
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On September 05 2014 21:10 HaruRH wrote: I thought the notebook idea sucked so i decided not to use it. Robik still haven't convinced me he is town yet. I am waiting. Koshi, stop lying about wanting to post lesser. You know it won't happen and it only makes people suspicious of you. Where is the 'i am the town lord' koshi? Or are you scum? Sylencia... wtf? Souping me? Are you trying to figure out my role or have you? Oats... i feel the singaporean from you. We both are confusing for stupid americans. Yamato -afk lord Geript is missing. Where is he? I'm not interested in talk about the rest yet. Meanwhile, i am ghostly because i am busy. But i will have sudden spikes in activity when I'm free. Start asking me questions. 1. I can't tell if robik is town or not. 2. koshi is scum that's why 3. can you quote the sylencia post in question 4. wtf 5. ya he needs to post. It's not like he hasn't checked into the thread. he just doesn't post. 6. idk. | ||
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On September 05 2014 20:43 Koshi wrote: LM/HaruRH/gobble for endgame cred. Okay, why lonemeow/haru | ||
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1 page filter. Quite little activity, but what he has posted makes me think he's town. The thought processes don't feel like they come from a scum faking reads standpoint. Oatsmaster town. see how much work he has put into this game. HaruRH When I played world heavyweight with him he was scum and his level of inactivity was similar to this game. But here he gives the excuse that he's busy. Looking at his post quality it's not clear that he's town, A lot of what he says seems superficial, but it doesn't stand out as baaaaaaaad. That's actually a pretty big warning sign, really need to keep an eye on him, he could be scum. Koshi First he asks tons of questions without providing any reads. Then he hard scumreads me for all the wrong reasons. I'll take a break from defending myself against his accusations after this because it's not productive. obligatory defense since you want to know why I think he misrepresented me Let it be known that I'm not 'given up' or 'hoping my vote sticks' after voting him, it's that Season of the Witch mafia is not the only thing I do in my life and it just happened that I was not on the thread for most of the time after I voted him. And I certainly did not flip flop on yamato because I omitted yamato from a discussion of lurkers. I agree my response to haru wasn't the best. I just wanted him to discuss more so I went ahead and responded to his points. end defense Now that I reread his filter, I could see him being town despite all that though. He seems so *obviously* bad that he might not be. I'm torn now. raynpelikoneet I don't know why he's buddying geript. He doesn't particularly feel town or scum to me. This rayn doesn't feel like the rayn that would get nightkilled N0 for being too town. He doesn't feel distinctly scum though. So hard to read. gobbledydook over 9001% town. IAmRobik I'm pretty sure robik is town now. He isn't afraid to cop criticism when posting, and he posts a *lot*. Which has predictably led him to being questioned by multiple people. but he's all yolo mode and keeps going anyway. So town. Still wouldn't give grail, too prone to going full retard. geript I think he's probably town, but he's completely wrong about me. That's why he's not getting the grail. slOosh I thought he might be scum. Reread his filter. He is trying really hard to promote discussion of damdred who had been ignored for most of the day. Can't think of why scum would bring up a new topic with such effort. I think he's town for that. yamato77 Mostly useless. Completely useless the last time I mentioned him, but he has posted some since then. Quickly went through some of his recent games in response to his claim that he is always like that. Turns out he actually is like that every game. Null read. If I were to lynch him now it would be a policy lynch for inactivity. But I don't believe in policy lynches so I will leave him be for now and see what he has to say as the game progresses. Sylencia Town sylencia Scum sylencia The difference being one contains insight and the other contains useless disguised as insight. Right now I think this game resembles the scumgame more than the towngame. damdred I've forgotten he exists in this game. That alone is worrying already. Look at this damdred post. It looks long, but it really says nothing at all... On September 06 2014 03:27 Damdred wrote: Just because something is understandable does not mean it does not worry me sloosh. I can understand something and still be worried about it, for example i can understand if someone takes money from their job and throws it in their car. However it worries me becuase it could get stolen. I understand people not locking car doors sometimes but it worries me that the car might get stolen (-_-). You asked me for three big things and followed it up with a question and I answered, but YOU did not follow up anymore. If you were really worried about what I thought you might of asked for more information. But you based your vote on that partly. And your read list does not have any hard stances in it, your vote on me was the first hard stance you took continuing to make a big deal about nothing of sloosh. On September 06 2014 05:54 Damdred wrote: Sloosh is so fixated on me its scary, he refuses to talk about anyone else just damdred damdred damdred. Intact its so bad he's scum reading people for not voting me or giving them scum points rather. He even won't say other scum to him now. Rob, you look more town then when I said I was worried about you. You don't look like scum rob from guilty when I played with you. On September 06 2014 06:22 Damdred wrote: Woah for a second if you look at the three games I was in. Cell mission and here, my activity due to rl bottomed out on all three around the same time. Since I got my phone back my activity has risen again. Sloosh is making a weak case on me and refuses to even give his other scum reads. I'll use the last 24 hours to try to give a read for everyone across the board incase I get lynched though. More attention shifting to sloosh without actually defending himself or giving reads. I am pretty sure damdred is scum. I have a hard time imagining this is town damdred. ritoky He is town jesus. All hail town jesus! Town jesus for grail! | ||
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I am the martyr. I will martyr save night 1 no matter what. If mafia soups me, the effect is the same, I die instead of someone else. If you lynch me, there will be no martyr save. Thus you will know that I am the martyr. | ||
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On September 06 2014 13:47 geript wrote: I'm going to assume he's bad town until there's a counter claim. The martyr should obviously counter here. If anyone counterclaims, you lynch them. Then I will martyr night 1 so it is obvious they are scum. | ||
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On September 06 2014 13:46 geript wrote: I really hope there's a counterclaim. Not a good time to claim. Not a good reason to claim. I just want you to go hunt real scum instead of wasting time on me when I'm the martyr, probably the only role that works just as well claimed. | ||
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On September 06 2014 14:34 Sylencia wrote: 77% sure that claim is fake 100% sure you are wrong | ||
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On September 06 2014 13:47 geript wrote: I'm going to assume he's bad town until there's a counter claim. The martyr should obviously counter here. On September 06 2014 14:44 yamato77 wrote: btw just so this is clear real martyr is NOT going to counterclaim if this is a fakeclaim what gives | ||
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On September 06 2014 14:51 Sylencia wrote: But I don't think we have a choice to see what happens after N1 :\ Anyways, Damdred may be lurky this game but the majority of his posts have been actual soft pushes and questioning of people's motives. No one ever follows up on it though, and it'd actually make it hard to get a good back and forth showing whether or not he's town. Following from that, sloosh is avoiding the majority of Damdred's replies and painting a picture of how we should be viewing Damdred - someone who lurks under the radar and doesn't have anything to show. I mean, the part with nothing to show can easily be fixed Damdred, who are your top 3 scum reads and why but my activity would be so low if I was getting ignored like Damdred was. I'm not one to want to lynch him today. Geript: He gave his opinions about a day and a half ago(?), most of which were meta cases to show who he thought was scum. Ever since then everything he's posted has been rather wishy washy and never actually pushes for anyone being scum. Instead, all you'll see are town reads which is mostly fine, but there's more than 1 scum, and sitting on gobbly as the only scum read is pretty poor. My top 3 scum reads: Sloosh, geript and goobly. I like the association between the 3, but meh. Goobly because I like to think I had already figured out who the martyr was, but I mean, that claim I feel is pretty horrible anyways. Really? Why are you trying so hard to role-hunt? | ||
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On September 06 2014 14:56 yamato77 wrote: notice that the second quote is by me, and the first one is not hmmmmmm I know. I wanted to ask who is correct and who isn't. | ||
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On September 06 2014 15:55 Sylencia wrote: well yamato, clearly you might think you were wrong right !? Great question gobble 10/10 Wasn't just asking yamato. Was asking everyone. | ||
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On September 05 2014 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sylencia says stuff that has nothing to with the game when he has not even read the thread properly. you just don't give advice regarding the setup when you don't even fucking know the setup (because you say you have not read the thread properly). and taht's what he discussed when he could have been discussing reads. On September 06 2014 01:53 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sylencia is mafia because he read people he didn't really read scum as scum. I'm up for a sylencia lynch. As I said his play is more like to scum sylencia meta than town sylencia meta. | ||
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