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On September 04 2014 12:18 gobbledydook wrote: Because there are no flips this game, I think the oracle proc will be very important in solving this game. As such I think we should make sure that the inquisitor and oracle visit the same target. The reason why I don't think the wraith should visit the same target as the inquisitor/oracle is because the witches know who the inquisitor and oracle visit, but if we make it known who the duo are visiting, then the mafia can't gain any new information. Meanwhile, the wraith can visit other people and hopefully hit the Grandier/Pope. From N2+ depending on how it goes (still interpreting this setup) shouldn't the Angelic Protection + Oracle visit line up instead? If town makes it clear who is the ideal target to protect before the night falls, it could free up the Inquisitor to start checking others. Naturally the plan doesn't work if a witch is killed D1, but that's already a win. Also, the flaw in following this plan N1 is by lining up who is getting checked, they will either be confirmed witch regardless (they won't kill their own teammate obviously) or they're going to die and the inquisitor check is wasted. Not sure if I actually like that. | ||
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 If that's the case, I'd still rather have haunt/oracle combine targets over inquisitor/oracle combo. Sure, inquisitors are going to check dubious players, but I'd rather have a checked player alive for the sake of having the confirmed players go up rather than keeping ourselves in the dark for the players who are alive. Am I making sense or am I not understanding something? | ||
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On September 04 2014 13:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Why bother then? Do you think your uninformed posts are useful to town at this stage of the game? No, because the proposal given is an isolated train of thought that isn't connected (as far as I know) to the rest of the game that is going on. Apparently lurking instead of tryingto expand on an idea when I can't actually do anything else is scummy though so.. ok. | ||
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On September 04 2014 13:52 gobbledydook wrote: wait what lurking is scummy when did you ever see anyone say lurking is towny that's not the point that they're trying to make though. Basically the act of coming to the thread to check what's been posted in the latest page because I only have 15-20 minutes, posting something that is related to a proposal which is, or at least seems to be, an isolated suggestion which is not relevant to anything that happened in the past 5 or so hours and trying to expand on that is actually a negative thing. From what I understand, I'm better off posting nothing and not giving any opinion on what was suggested because entry posts are oh-so-important. | ||
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Null: yamato - call out with no reasoning. Impossible to say anything about it damdred - 1 post rayn - 1 post lonemeow - not in yet I'm extremely conflicted about Oats. I hate the fact he called sloosh and koshi scum without any reasoning - and still without explaining why he called it out in the first place. His case against sloosh is pretty paper thin and I disagree with his interpretation of sloosh's posts. My interpretation is that the Oracle, Inquisitor and Wraith do what they think is best in terms of both finding the best time to reveal and expose themselves to soup, and in addition who they target. All of us, including the mentioned roles should (at some point closer to deadline more likely) put in suggestions as to who are the ideal target(s). Obviously we can wait for sloosh to come back to smooth things out a bit, but I feel like Oats is just cherry picking the part that makes sloosh look the worse and ignoring everything around it. Main reason why I'm conflicted is because the way Oats has been playing is classic town Oats and some high percentage of games (I think) end up with Oats being mislynched D1 because of it -_- IAmRobik - pretty townie, can't see scum seeing the gobble grail vote reasoning before being told about it. I wouldn't ever hammer over this alone, but it's definitely a strike against gobble Gobble is null-scum - Until I think about it later, something gives me a bad feeling about the initial planning post (regarding Inquis/Oracle visiting the same person) - like it feels like a plan to stifle the information we get from the Inquisitor in order to get Oracle views, which I think is pretty average N1. Then there's the case from Robik which I still think is still decent, but as I said, it's not solid enough evidence. Scum team prediction so far: 1 of the players who haven't posted more than once or twice, oats and gobble. | ||
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On September 04 2014 21:28 Oatsmaster wrote: Not true. Sloosh is just mucking about asking weirdass questions that still hasnt lead to anything. How is him saying that nothing more can be discussed about setup and then encouraging discussion about setup a good thing??? Where am I cherry picking instead of not bothering to post irrelevant nonsense? Why is calling someone scum without reasoning objectively scummy? I explained it eventually. Do you disagree with my read on Koshi? gobble, what do you read someone like him? I was referring to the part where you quote I feel like the best play may be just to let people do what they think is best, and then organize things as the game progresses. But in terms of mucking about, I am going to be honest I haven't thought about that part but I don't really get a scum vibe from his posts from what I've read. For the second part:I actually missed the post on Koshi (oops), and it's not that it was scummy to call someone scum without reasoning, it's that people asked multiple times and you seemed to dodge. A lot. Until I realised I missed that post about Koshi, then it's not so bad :D | ||
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On September 05 2014 06:36 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sylencia says stuff that has nothing to with the game when he has not even read the thread properly. you just don't give advice regarding the setup when you don't even fucking know the setup (because you say you have not read the thread properly). and taht's what he discussed when he could have been discussing reads. Who said I hadn't read the setup? | ||
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On September 05 2014 12:45 gobbledydook wrote: I completely disagree with geript's meta scumread of me. He claims that I am 'commenting on the thread' instead of 'forcing my views on people' and I cannot agree at all. First of all regarding 'forcing my views' I don't have a scumread right now strong enough that I would hard push. It's not surprising given it's only halfway through day 1. I have expressed my reads clearly - I think koshi and sloosh are scum - just not so sure that I would hard tunnel them. As for 'commenting on the thread', I must disagree as well. I understand what you mean but I completely disagree that I have been a pedestrian. I can only say that if you want to talk about 'staying off the radar' I would think koshi is the worst offender of the lot: He's said nothing at all about his intentions and reads! I don't think I fall into that category. Because of this completely incorrect meta read, I must retract my grail vote from geript. Wait, but earlier on in the day you said you disagreed with his read on Haru, but you said he was a good player who won't misuse the power so he should have the grail. Is the fact you disagree on his meta read on you suddenly disregarding what you said in the first 6 hours of the game? Are you calling him scummy or bad player by doing this? | ||
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On September 05 2014 13:19 ritoky wrote: List of people who have voted for the Grail: - geript - gobble - Koshi - rayn - ritoky - robik - sloosh Everyone else who hasn't voted or given a firm stance on it, needs to weigh in very soon or give a damn good reason why you have no strong town reads nearly 36 hours into the game. I AM LOOKING AT YOU SYL, OATS, AND DAM. I SEE YOU HERE AND POSTING. OPINIONS ON GRAIL PLOX! Both you and Robik are town I'm pretty sure, so I'm really not fussed who gets it between the two of you. | ||
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On September 05 2014 13:31 Sylencia wrote: Both you and Robik are town I'm pretty sure, so I'm really not fussed who gets it between the two of you. Huh, turns out no one even voting for Robik, not so sure about geript gettin git. | ||
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On September 05 2014 21:10 HaruRH wrote: I thought the notebook idea sucked so i decided not to use it. Robik still haven't convinced me he is town yet. I am waiting. Koshi, stop lying about wanting to post lesser. You know it won't happen and it only makes people suspicious of you. Where is the 'i am the town lord' koshi? Or are you scum? Sylencia... wtf? Souping me? Are you trying to figure out my role or have you? Oats... i feel the singaporean from you. We both are confusing for stupid americans. Yamato -afk lord Geript is missing. Where is he? I'm not interested in talk about the rest yet. Meanwhile, i am ghostly because i am busy. But i will have sudden spikes in activity when I'm free. Start asking me questions. Just accept I think you're town because I put myself in your shoes. I can only go so deep into my logic without saying too much. | ||
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Anyways, Damdred may be lurky this game but the majority of his posts have been actual soft pushes and questioning of people's motives. No one ever follows up on it though, and it'd actually make it hard to get a good back and forth showing whether or not he's town. Following from that, sloosh is avoiding the majority of Damdred's replies and painting a picture of how we should be viewing Damdred - someone who lurks under the radar and doesn't have anything to show. I mean, the part with nothing to show can easily be fixed Damdred, who are your top 3 scum reads and why but my activity would be so low if I was getting ignored like Damdred was. I'm not one to want to lynch him today. Geript: He gave his opinions about a day and a half ago(?), most of which were meta cases to show who he thought was scum. Ever since then everything he's posted has been rather wishy washy and never actually pushes for anyone being scum. Instead, all you'll see are town reads which is mostly fine, but there's more than 1 scum, and sitting on gobbly as the only scum read is pretty poor. My top 3 scum reads: Sloosh, geript and goobly. I like the association between the 3, but meh. Goobly because I like to think I had already figured out who the martyr was, but I mean, that claim I feel is pretty horrible anyways. | ||
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I just absolutely hate the timing of this claim too because it doesn't make sense in my opinion... | ||
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On September 06 2014 14:56 gobbledydook wrote: Really? Why are you trying so hard to role-hunt? ??? Just because you observe that someone is a role, doesn't mean you've hunted for it LOL | ||
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Great question gobble 10/10 | ||
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On September 06 2014 22:02 HaruRH wrote: Yes, i am also interested to find out why did you come to a conclusion that i was matyr. The way you talked about the plan and the way you seemed to distance yourself from the grail talk which was pretty prevalent at the time made it look like you were a martyr simply explaining what you were doing without outright saying so. Obvious yes, but that's how I saw it. | ||
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If I was to select someone for lynching it's geript. He's actually done very little to help town, beyond the first 12 hours of the game, he's been finding people safe over people who are scummy. Process of elimination probabyl works at a lower player count, but to try pull off 13 man PoE isn't something I'd see anyone trying to do. | ||
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On September 07 2014 01:30 IAmRobik wrote: It would be kinda cool if the scum team was geript/rayn/koshi wouldn't even be surprised | ||
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On September 08 2014 13:29 Damdred wrote: I admit I helped start the rayn wagon, and it was largely a meta case on rayn. During the silent night I looked at his filter and compared it to other games town and mafia. While it does fit into some of the scum games like titanic it is mssong some of the elements like his being exceptionally dicky to people just to be an ass. I also made a point about him voting someone and saying lunch someone else. He has a history of doing that as well, a recent game of n&t shows him doing this d1 and d2. So on further thoughts I do not think my meta case has me convinced he's scum. On phone so can't quote well, but he has some townt stuff though its not quite rayn going to be #1 nk. Did you look at anyone else last night? Since as far as I can tell from your filter you haven't really given us any scum reads yet so if you've looked at filters then you should have some sort of read right | ||
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On September 08 2014 15:52 geript wrote: This is a super convoluted argument. I'm ignoring yam's read on you from now on. I already threw that argument out anyway | ||
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On September 08 2014 19:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sylencia why is geript mafia? Explained it already D1, Haru has the in depth details. Still has yet to do anything D2 either. | ||
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He had made a post about me being scummy, but when it came time for him to trade he decided between Damdred and I somehow a single post about potential buddying meant Damdred was better lynch choice. | ||
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On September 06 2014 02:32 yamato77 wrote: Gobble gives sylencia a reason to call me mafia. Sylencia, who has called me null, observes that the reason used to call me mafia is unsubstantiated by my previous play, despite how easy it is to just call me mafia. It's a good read, even if the conclusion is null. On September 08 2014 14:39 Sylencia wrote: yam would you consider Haru town for the fact he didn't play to the fact he could've fake CC'd Martyr as scum since he caught on to the fact I suspected he was the martyr? It would've had a fair chance of working ocnsidering it was goobly who was the actual martyr and a lot of us were quite suspicious of goobly until he dropped the role bomb I wrote my post pretty much with yamato's post in mind, and yet I get completely different results from geript: On September 06 2014 02:34 geript wrote: That is a pretty good read. I like that reasoning a lot. On September 08 2014 15:52 geript wrote: This is a super convoluted argument. I'm ignoring yam's read on you from now on. Other than the fact my thought process was actually incorrect (which geript doesn't actually comment on), both follow the same train of thought. One player was in the position to make an 'easy' play (ignore the incorrect logic for a second). They don't, and instead choose to go with their honest thoughts about the situation. Thus, this player should be townie. So how is it that in one case it's seen as really good logic, and in the other case it's seen as convoluted logic? As far as I can tell, this is a pretty easy way for geript to slowly move targets towards me. If he had commented on the incorrect logic around the time yamato posted about it and I realised my error, sure things would probably be different but he didn't consider it and just gave a weird reaction given the previous case. | ||
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Anyways if you guys are going to vote for me I can very easily claim, since I'd rather take the bullet tonight than have a better role die, and if I do survive it's still a win for town considering it's still more or less a confirmed townie. In addition, because of the fact the necromancer only knowing of the role of someone still alive, it'd be impossible to fake claim the role which was discovered because that person is still alive and able to CC. Rayn: will respond to you when i get home, since I'm leaving work now | ||
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Claim or die geript? On September 09 2014 18:34 geript wrote: There's no role he could have that he'd consider claiming period. Like there's no point. Acolyte isn't a role you ever claim. Nah the brilliant part is that I didn't read who was the Inquisitor until now (to prevent myself from giving away information consciously or unconsciously) so that if the time came I would be able to role claim safely. On that note, our inquisitor is still alive and well. Alive or dead, I don't care but to me it's up to the scum team to decide what happens during the night. What goes down N2 is probably the most telling thing in terms of the scum that are left. "Why would you not read it when you first got it, other than the fact you'd be doing this to role claim later because that seems like horrible play?" - Keeps me from being too biased given my knowledge of the inquisitor (too sheepy etc) - Mathematically only a 1/12 chance of the inquisitor being lynched. Given that town players also act less scummy in general, that chance of being lynched decreases. This helps me justify not looking at it. - If they died N1, I'd check. Given we know the martyr died, there was no need. I was going to hold on to whether or not I'd read it for another 12 hours because the final 24 hours of the day are always more important but yeah, since I have 3-4 votes on me my hand was kind of forced. | ||
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On September 09 2014 19:11 HaruRH wrote: a What do you think about his constant buddying with me? buddying is alignment null, but... this is pretty excessive. The first quote is while I still thought you were martyr remember? Second post is because I was lazy to reiterate similar things to what you said - I mean you look at what I posted about geript in d1, and wow it's not too dissimilar to your case. | ||
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On September 09 2014 16:23 raynpelikoneet wrote: Yes this is how i percieve the situation aswell. Except he does not do anything about his geript suspicion aswell. Besides calling geript mafia for sitting on his vote on gobbly which Sylencia is also guilty of (regarding geript). If you take a look at any of my games, I don't really find it necessary to swing back and forth 80 times in votes in a single day. It's pretty simple: 1) Once you decide to vote, put your vote on top suspect scum 2) if another person you suspect is scum is full steam ahead, you can also get behind it. Obviously facts can change throughout the day, so if my top suspect is no longer X, I'd move it to Y. If it's near the end of the day - that's different. However, I wasn't even around for the last 4 hours of D1, so my vote was still on geript at the time. The other thing that's different is that I don't just sit on my vote and then push the same person. I've already listed out who I suspect is the scum team. I've already explained both (remaining alive). I should probably find a third in the case Koshi isn't scum but it's pretty ridiculous to expect me to be able to vote on both my suspects at once | ||
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On September 09 2014 14:33 ritoky wrote: People's stance on Koshi so far: robik - thought scum, hesitant after so many people said scum geript - fuck you damdred - scum yamato77 - town sloosh - null, leaning scum oats - assuming scum since he voted on the guy harurh - town rayn - wishywashy scum sylencia - isn't around enough to do anything LM - isn't around enough to do anything On September 08 2014 23:18 Sylencia wrote: Hit, he pushed for gobble fairly hard with a big post, but looks like he gave up and sheeped onto the Damdred train. He had made a post about me being scummy, but when it came time for him to trade he decided between Damdred and I somehow a single post about potential buddying meant Damdred was better lynch choice. You actually missed my post about it (probably because it wasn't quoted). Anyways, I still don't actually see the point of mentioning the above unless you're oracle hunting since we have no idea which allegiance Koshi was -_- | ||
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geript sloosh and kushi, but if kushi is town I have to relook at a few of the other options. | ||
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Also geript, it's really not hard but I don't really want to go into PM details since I'm sure that's gonna end up being grey territory. You read your role. You can obviously see more text but you don't read it. Wow, hard. Take for example the PM I sent out for Guilty: Godfather You return green to alignment checks. Any player tracking you will return nothing. Visiting a watched player will not return your name in the results. You can deliver the night kill. Team: VayneAuthority, WaveOfShadow, IAmRobik QT: http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/QyuKJyZXWALCu You could read the first line and stop actively knowing that you wanted to limit your information. | ||
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On September 10 2014 06:08 raynpelikoneet wrote: Koshi, sloosh and geript now there's someone with some sense The only way you could ever address geript's post about "it is impossible to not read the PM" is if you could see my PM. As far as I can see, my PM is the only role in the game that would have extra information attached to it, and so whether or not you choose to believe the fact I could avoid the extra information or not is up to you. I just find it amusing how geript pushes for my lynch still, and i find it disappointing that you're taking the bait ritoky | ||
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On September 10 2014 16:49 geript wrote: In the first post, he wants to take a bullet to save a better role. The problem is that by claiming not only does he not help protect any better role, he actually makes it FAR FAR easier to find said better role. Then look at the next couple of posts. Does Sylencia think I'm town whatsoever? No. He's voting me; he's pushing me, etc. If he thinks I'm mafia, why wouldn't he just tell me to go fuck myself? If I'm mafia, I have literally 0 recourse toward making good on my threat of "claim or die." But despite the fact that he's sure I'm mafia, when presented with claim or die from his biggest scumread, he CHOOSES to acquiesce and claim. Why? So I could soup him? It's not like I could Judge him if I'm mafia. It's not like I could Grandier him if I'm mafia. It's not like I could Crusader him if I'm mafia. What threat am I posing to him if he's town and is sure I'm mafia? If he's town, what is the value that he actually sees in claiming? Why does he think that claiming Acolyte is an instant get out of jail free card? It's not a role you can ever afford to confirm (in 99% of cases obviously). Let's also look at what Mafia can do. They can have a pretty good guess as to who the Inquisitor on D2 is if they're reasonably intelligent. That can lead back to the Acolyte as well (it goes both ways). Like if I were mafia, I would be in such a huge advantage. The mafia aren't players who've played this setup before. Also, if you read the rules, you'd know that claiming Martyr was a fucking terrible play. 1) Have you even considered anything I've said in the past day or are you still trying to make up reasons as to why claiming suddenly leaves people vulnerable. My entire pre-claim filter is completely neutral of any bias since I had no idea who was Inq. How does that end up leaving them more exposed. Or are you trying to suggest playing like a VT somehow leaves another role exposed? 2) Rayn's push on me had a much bigger effect on me wanting to claim, he disappeared and you were still posting though. 2/3) If it was anytime beyond N1 I would naturally agree that there's no real way to confirm but we had 11/13 alive, 1 confirmed (dead) martyr, and 1 unknown. You've tried to show you thought Koshi was town, but nothing even remotely suggests he would ever be Acolyte, and yet apparently I have the magical ability to realise what Koshi was and try to claim it for no CC. As rayn says, if no one CCs, it is practically a confirmed town at this point because there is still so much available information. If I was scum, the only thing I'd be doing is delaying my death by a day since not dying during the night makes it pretty clear I'm scum the next day anyways and with the town activity in D2 it's really not hard to push the lynch onto someone else without claiming. Basically your entire 'case' on my claim hinges on the fact that I've somehow slipped extra information, which is actually impossible given the circumstances that I played the game. | ||
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On September 10 2014 18:30 geript wrote: So Syl, have YOU been through Koshi's filter to know if there's any single hint as to him being Acolyte? Who says the key info is even in his filter? No I haven't looked through his filter for Acolyte hints, I looked at his filter to see if he if I thought he was scum like 2 days ago. And if it's not in his filter you're suggesting there are hints in other peoples' filters? Sorry, but it's not a 2 way street with the acolyte. | ||
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you can soup as many as you want On September 03 2014 18:37 Palmar wrote: marv - Judge Sandroba - Crusader Palmar - Acolyte syllogism - Grandier. This will result in: Marv - dies (unblockable soup kill) Sandroba - dies (unblockable soup kill) Palmar - survives syllogism - survives Day post will read: marv has been killed sandroba has been killed Artanis the witch tried to kill Palmar as the Acolyte. | ||
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On September 10 2014 18:40 geript wrote: Mental reminder. Soup kills should be full flip. But they're not? | ||
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i probably played my role wrong though :D | ||
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